I want Klingons, not some crappy Khan remake! Or give us Cardassians and Dominion.
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Reed: What do you think of T'Pol, hmm? Do you think she's pretty? I think she's pretty.
Trip: Oh, God.
Reed: You ever noticed her bum?
Trip: What?
Reed: Her bum. She's got an awfully nice bum.
Trip: To Subcommander T'Pol. (toast)
Reed: Awfully nice.
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I agree that Klingons might make an interesting enemy, especially since they WERE the bad guys in this era.
I hope they aren't renegade Klingons either, but the actual Klingon Empire. But that said, they have a group of Klingons that held Nero captive for 25 years, and THOSE Klingons may have some knowledge of the future or at least some interest that may put them in Kirk's path.
Of course, given that experience with Nero they could also pave the way for a Shatner and Nimoy appearance if it can be worked in.
One thing to keep in mind, is that now that the actors have grown into the roles, there is no need to make this a prequel anymore. I think they should stick this right smack in the middle of the 5 year mission--during the same era as the series.
No more getting to know you. No more "Kirk is green and learning."
Let's see our crew in action as they were meant to be seen. Whether that involves Kirk and Spock Prime or not would be part of the story, but either way, let's see confident and experienced Kirk--the man with the uncanny ability to command.
While it's tempting to toss around ideas like making Khan to Kirk as The Joker is to The Batman, I rather they take this unique opportunities in making these films by adding to the canon in terms of experience, characters, etc. but also truly take us - the audience - to alien worlds.
Someone has posted a question on this board, asking that isn't AVATAR just ST:INS - while that may be true on the surface, what Cameron has done is to create an alien experience that entices us, draws us into a new realm of visuals, and introduces the age old question about human explorers and conquerors: advancement v. preservation, and what are the rights of those "aboriginals," etc.
STAR TREK movies have an opportunity to take us to truly alien lands and experiences never before seen in STAR TREK films that is organic in its visuals and sounds, and are embelished by a tale that the audience will enjoy. Same thing with LOTR films - they takes us - the audience - to truly foreign lands, yet tell stories that we can connect and relate to, that takes us away for a couple of hours from our lives.
And while I've posted here in the past that I like to see that character, or that experience in the next ST film - in the end, I rather they add to the canon from this point forward, to make their contributions to the canon, whether its original or adapting one of the many fantastic ST novels that are out there.
...that Kirk's fast promotion was due to Spock Prime's input (at best) or influence (at least)? This comes from the observational (God view) last scene of Spock Prime above the promotion ceremony.
The conversation behind closed doors could have been, "Admirals, you know I cannot tell you about the future, but I assure you promoting Kirk to command of the Enterprise would be the best decision of your career."
Like all of you, I simply cannot believe that Star Fleet would be "all caught up in the moment" and promote Kirk out of raw emotionalism or, worse, "stunt casting." That would be very un-Star Fleet like. I am not sure if the writers meant to imply Spock's involvement, but it sure would explain the surprise decision to place a young man with little experience in command of the flag ship of the Federation.
And by the way, I think it would be GREAT fun to take a person from TOS (Khan, Mudd, anyone really) and just do the OPPOSITE with them from the series. (Khan does the "right thing" in the end, Mudd is a champion of woman's rights, Talos IV tries to kill the Federation, etc.).
Come to think of it....a whole movie could be based on Pike getting all messed up and the whole "let's go back to Talos IV" turns into a justification for no-contact with them. BTW, THAT's how you get Shatner in....a Talos illusion to Spock Prime or SPock, or Kirk alt.
And in line with all that, I'm more than a little suspicious and curious why Paramount all of a sudden wraps up the Ellison lawsuit. Could the Guardian of Forever be being considered for XII? That's kind of the generic proto-matter as far as writing goes...you can do anything you want with that machine just by skipping your way into history.
My point is that I don't think J.J. should be fearful of something from the TOS series. He and the team have proven they can be playful and respectful and they have street cred in the bank with most fans and they should now spend it!
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Not sure about the rest of your post, but I like the idea of Spock getting Kirk advanced. That explains it a little better than the "battlefield promotion" theory.
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Well in the other time line, during this point he would have been serving on the Republic if memory serves correctly so none of the stuff from the series should really have any bearing on him yet. Though with this alternate time line running next to the other one, who knows.
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Actually, with Chekov being on board, Kirk would still be on the big E. (Spock: "You are not the captain?")
I may be wrong, but I think the timelines are supposed to be pretty well parallel.
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"Actually, with Chekov being on board, Kirk would still be on the big E. (Spock: "You are not the captain?") I may be wrong, but I think the timelines are supposed to be pretty well parallel."
That's one area where the film changed things: This film takes place in 2258, whereas in the original timeline, the five-year-mission started in 2265. In the original timeline, Kirk wasn't yet on the Enterprise in 2258. Plus, Chekov's age is different in the new film.
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It wasn't stated in hard numbers, but it seems that Kirk entered the Academy quite a bit later in this timeline.
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I believe you are correct. I do not recall when Kirk entered the Academy in the original timeline but he was a few years younger when he graduated. I am not sure the new timeline still makes him the youngest ever to be promoted to Captain or not....bue he should certainly the fast promotion of all time. :)
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I don't know about that. He seemed to be promoted at a very young age. Academy to captain in less than a few hours.
I trust them enough to come up with a decent story, though if they do tap on an episode, make it some sort of sequel, or a different approach to something we've seen before (like the Organians for example).
Obviously, I want something with Shatner and Nimoy, but even THAT could follow up on something from the prime timeline.
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