Ask and ye shall "Hey Johnny"!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnHA6tNgbac
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Ask and ye shall "Hey Johnny"!
Sorry to break this to ya, but the quality of that audio is so bad? I can still hear it as "Hey Georgie!". We either need to wait the 3 weeks for the DVD or wait until someone asks a power that be what he said in an interview.
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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
Really ? I am going to say the same. I am a LOT better looking that Mr Smith LOL
Gustavo
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I'm curious as to what cuts Smith suggested that Abrams made.
I haven't viewed any of the deleted scenes but I have heard of a few, some of which I really want to know why they were cut.
1. Spock Prime makes a comment about how the timeline is correcting itself. Interesting line, and the writers have mentioned it on several occasions. Sounds like it was important to them. Why cut it?
2. Why does young James Kirk yell, "JOHNNNY" when he stole the car? In the script, and in the novelization, he was supposed to yell "SAM," and it may have even been filmed that way and changed. Why? The kid he yelled at had little significance in the movie, however, clearly, the intent was for the kid to be Sam Kirk. As done in the movie, keeping it Sam would have made sense. First, for those that KNOW Sam Kirk exists, they will get it. And for those that don't, the line would have no less significance than yelling "Johnny." They did it right in the novelization.
3. At some point in the original script, and I don't know whether it was filmed, Kirk was supposed to get a commendation for original thinking at the end of the movie for his work in the Kobayashi Maru. They REALLY dropped the ball there by cutting that out. The big point of that test was to do the homage to TWOK. Go all the way. Obviously, the movie isn't hurt by that, but in the final scene when we were getting our happy ending, and Kirk was getting his command, might as well take care of that unfinished business. I wonder if it was filmed.
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Spock Prime makes a comment about how the timeline is correcting itself. Interesting line, and the writers have mentioned it on several occasions. Sounds like it was important to them. Why cut it?
Though they may have mentioned it a few times, it clearly wasn't that important to them or else it would not have been considered a disposable line -- which it was.
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Why does young James Kirk yell, "JOHNNNY" when he stole the car? The kid he yelled at had little significance in the movie, however, clearly, the intent was for the kid to be Sam Kirk.
Following one of the posts about this earlier in the year, I was sure to listen intently to what young James yells the next time I saw the film. He does not yell out "Hey, Johnny!" but rather, "Hey Georgie!" -- Jim Kirk's older brother's full name was George Samuel Kirk.
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Kirk was supposed to get a commendation for original thinking at the end of the movie for his work in the Kobayashi Maru. They REALLY dropped the ball there by cutting that out. The big point of that test was to do the homage to TWOK. Go all the way.
How do you know they intended to go all the way with the homage? They showed the test, showed him eating the apple and showed him being reprimanded for it. Had Vulcan not been attacked and the hearing interrupted, perhaps we would have seen said commendation? Then again, with the timeline being different now and the state of the Federation being more serious? It's possible Kirk was never going to get the comondation at all. Either way, he got command of the Enterprise at the end of the film -- making such commondation small beans and hardly worth showing anymore anyway.
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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
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It's Johnny. The script that's available online (page 26 of the pdf) doesn't have Kid Kirk yelling out to the kid on the road, but it does have a line attributed to "George Jr." who just says "No Way". It's possible he yelled "Hey George!" but that may confuse the audience who just saw George Kirk die seconds ago, so they changed it to "Johnny". Total guess there.
However, I've seen the movie 4 times in theaters and I have, uhm, shall we say "available access" to the film that someone I know has ...and he 100% says says "Hey Johnny".
Just trust me on this one.
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I don't trust you on this one i'm afraid. Though I am 100% sure he said Georgie because I was listening intently for it, either way the average audience member does not know that James T. Kirk had an older brother named George who's nickname was Sam. No fear in the audience being confused by anything, I can guarantee you 95% of the people in the theater just assumed the kid was a friend of Kirk's that he was showing off to, not his brother. You can barely hear what he is yelling over the music and wind noise anyway.
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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
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Following one of the posts about this earlier in the year, I was sure to listen intently to what young James yells the next time I saw the film. He does not yell out "Hey, Johnny!" but rather, "Hey Georgie!" -- Jim Kirk's older brother's full name was George Samuel Kirk.
I'm almost positive it was Johnny. Any chance anyone can get that clip on Youtube?
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How do you know they intended to go all the way with the homage? They showed the test, showed him eating the apple and showed him being reprimanded for it. Had Vulcan not been attacked and the hearing interrupted, perhaps we would have seen said commendation? Then again, with the timeline being different now and the state of the Federation being more serious? It's possible Kirk was never going to get the comondation at all. Either way, he got command of the Enterprise at the end of the film -- making such commondation small beans and hardly worth showing anymore anyway.
I think if he weren't going to get a commendation, he wouldn't have got the command either. So clearly, Starfleet wasn't that upset. Again, I could have sworn I read it somewhere--maybe in the original script.
There is nothing more predicatble on this forum than how you guys will respond when ANY interview involves Wil Wheaton or Kevin Smith. The fact-of-the-matter is, the man is ten times more qualified to give advice to his friend J.J. Abrams than ANY of you guys are. If you are bitter and jealous that a man who looks exactly like you do, actually made it somewhere in life? Someone who is actually contributing to the SciFi/Comic universe, rather than just bitching about it on forums like this? Take it out on yourselves, not him. Kevin Smith hangs in a circle that includes J.J. Abrams, Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino. Their directing styles may be different and rub against the grain sometimes -- but i'll take that over anything that was produced in the Star Trek world in the last decade leading up to the new film.
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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
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The only difference between Wil Wheaton and Smith is that Wil is actually funny and hard-working. He's been through life itself and come through just fine. And he's at a point where he can laugh at himself and not worry about his Trek geekdom.
Smith, on the other hand, has YET to make it anywhere in this life at all. He hasn't proven anything to anyone except that he's vulgar, crude, and filthy-mouthed, and that his so-called "movies" are full of crap to begin with and not fit for even a dog to pee on.
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Smith, on the other hand, has YET to make it anywhere in this life at all. He hasn't proven anything to anyone except that he's vulgar, crude, and filthy-mouthed, and that his so-called "movies" are full of crap to begin with and not fit for even a dog to pee on.
I think the inaccuracies with the first half of your statement stem from your clearly-biased opinion of his style in the second half of your statement. Whether or not you like his brand of humor, the man has (in 2009 dollars) amassed over $200 million in film gross in the last 15 years. His first film swept Sundance and he was written a check on the spot for $250,000 for the purchasing rights for Clerks, which almost never happens. Vulgar, crude, filthy-mouthed? Maybe. No less so than Quentin Tarantino though. And he HAS proven a lot. Unlike Wheaton who is famous only for his role in Stand By Me and TNG, Smith has legions of devout fans -- something you and Wheaton will never have. Hate his work if you must, but respect what he has accomplished. Know your place.
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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
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Personally, I like his work. I'm better looking though ;).
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"I would be happy for Star Trek to come along decades later with a new group of minds. I'd love someone to say, 'Besides this one, Gene Roddenberry's was nothing!'" - Gene Roddenberry
"...I think it would be wonderful years from now to see Star Trek come back with an equally talented new cast playing Spock and Kirk and Bones and Scotty and all the rest, as they say tomorrow's things to tomorrow's generations..." - Gene Roddenberry
You and your big mouth, Smith!
Seriously though, too many cuts were made.
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"I would be happy for Star Trek to come along decades later with a new group of minds. I'd love someone to say, 'Besides this one, Gene Roddenberry's was nothing!'" - Gene Roddenberry
"...I think it would be wonderful years from now to see Star Trek come back with an equally talented new cast playing Spock and Kirk and Bones and Scotty and all the rest, as they say tomorrow's things to tomorrow's generations..." - Gene Roddenberry
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Seriously though, too many cuts were made.
Sometimes you need to tighten up a film for the sake of pacing and time (the latter being a demand from theater companies often times). The only "cut" I think would be warranted to be put back in and I am sure J.J would agree, is the scene on Rura Penthe. Beyond that? The other stuff would have been "neat" but unneccessary.
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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
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Young Winona Ryder being cut was confusing.
Plus, there's lots of lengthy blockbusters out there. A scene should only be cut if it doesn't work itself; not just to keep a movie short for arbitrary reasons.
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"I would be happy for Star Trek to come along decades later with a new group of minds. I'd love someone to say, 'Besides this one, Gene Roddenberry's was nothing!'" - Gene Roddenberry
"...I think it would be wonderful years from now to see Star Trek come back with an equally talented new cast playing Spock and Kirk and Bones and Scotty and all the rest, as they say tomorrow's things to tomorrow's generations..." - Gene Roddenberry
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Young Winona Ryder being cut was confusing. Plus, there's lots of lengthy blockbusters out there. A scene should only be cut if it doesn't work itself; not just to keep a movie short for arbitrary reasons.
The birth scene would have been cool, but again.. was not neccessary and made for us seeing Kirk and Spock for the first time as kids around the same age. The only reason we saw Kirk as a newborn was because of the extremely important event that was happening around him. The Special Edition DVD of Wrath of Khan illustrates exactly why scenes that "still work" should be left out sometimes. Nothing that was inserted back in to TWOK improved the film. If anything, they made scenes I grew up with more akward and drawn out -- specifcially the sick bay scene where Scotty's nephew dies and the preceeding banter said nephew has with Kirk during the inspection. Silliness.
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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
The "deal" is that he can't make a movie worth anything. He can't write, he can't direct, he sure as hell can't act, and he claims to be funny when he knows that he isn't. Not to mention that his "movies" are full of nothing but his perverted agendas of drugs, anti-Christianity, perversion, and a constant barrage of four-letter words that not even 409 or Comet could clean up.
His "script" for that piece of crap Superman script was a total abomination that disrespected the legend. He had no business commenting on the Batman DVDs at all, because he had absolutely zero involvement in the movies to begin with. And all of his "movies" fail because nobody's interested in what he has to say.
And his "education" came from comic books? I don't think he's ever had a real job or a girlfriend in his existence. If he ever comes to his senses, he should realize that he needs to stay away from movies, especially Star Trek, and let the professionals like Abrams and co. do it.
So there.
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He's married.
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"I would be happy for Star Trek to come along decades later with a new group of minds. I'd love someone to say, 'Besides this one, Gene Roddenberry's was nothing!'" - Gene Roddenberry
"...I think it would be wonderful years from now to see Star Trek come back with an equally talented new cast playing Spock and Kirk and Bones and Scotty and all the rest, as they say tomorrow's things to tomorrow's generations..." - Gene Roddenberry
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Not to mention that his "movies" are full of nothing but his perverted agendas of drugs, anti-Christianity, perversion, and a constant barrage of four-letter words that not even 409 or Comet could clean up.
So you're an over-moralistic, stick-in-the-mud, nose-in-everyone-else's business asshole. Got it.
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Not to defend Smith at all, but Abrams' take on Superman was one of the worst I have ever heard. Abrams actually wanted to make Lex Luthor a KRYPTONIAN. That anyone involved with the story could even think of that, even at a first draft stage, showed a sheer lack of qualification to work on a Superman project.
That was a very weird project. Superman is one of the greatest characters and franchises out there, and for about 15 years, Hollywood insisted on doing crappy idea after crappy idea. And finally, they made a crappy movie. No matter who was attached, the stories were horrible.
So yeah, while Smith's story wasn't good, Abrams had an even worse one--and Abrams is MUCH better at this stuff.
Ultimately, I took nothing bad from Smith's comments. Seems JJ valued his opinion, and while I would never give Smith the Trek franchise, his comment there was fair.
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Canon again? Okay, in this case, that canon change wouldn't work.
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"I would be happy for Star Trek to come along decades later with a new group of minds. I'd love someone to say, 'Besides this one, Gene Roddenberry's was nothing!'" - Gene Roddenberry
"...I think it would be wonderful years from now to see Star Trek come back with an equally talented new cast playing Spock and Kirk and Bones and Scotty and all the rest, as they say tomorrow's things to tomorrow's generations..." - Gene Roddenberry
Smith is correct that for Spock to simply say (and perhaps off-screen) 'Jim' would have had superb impact, it would have been A Moment.
But after that, what? To start at such a high emotional beat, the script needs to have somewhere else to go.
Also, let's not forget that this is a hundred-of-years-old Spock talking to an early 30something (late 20something?) Kirk, so the 'relationship' is not two-way, so I think an emotional 'Jim' from Spock would have also made for an odd or uncomfortable response from Kirk.
The line, as delivered in the movie, works far better – it doesn't start on too 'high' a moment, it gives the script somewhere to go, and it allows for Kirk's response to be more measured.
I think the new movie works incrediblely and it is beatifully edited and filmed. If Mr Smith helped Mr Abrams with a bit here and there in the editing, thats fine, but I cant care less. I am no fan of Kevin Smith movies, but he is no JJ Abrams, thats for sure.
Gustavo
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I am no fan of Kevin Smith movies, but he is no JJ Abrams, thats for sure.
Well, Kevin Smith has been producing films for 17 years, has raked in a few hundred million dollars, has a HUGE following of loyal fans, is very close friends with Quentin Tarentino and has his finger on the pulse of what is popular in SciFi and comics nowadays. Don't be fooled by his appearance and laid back manner -- he is definately a man worth getting input from for a movie of this magnitude. On top of that he was absolutely right about Spock's line.
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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
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Yep, I know all that but I am just not a fan of the Kevin Smith's Askewverse movies featuring Jay and Silent Bob. It is just a matter of personal taste, I find his movies just boring, bad stuff. The only one I liked is Mallrats because it has a very touching cameo by Stan Lee and is about comic book collectors, which I can relate. I know Smith has a huge following and have scripted awesome comic books like the recent Spider-Man/Black Cat mini series and so forth, but I just dont care. Not my type of filmaking.
Gustavo
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gl2000@uol.com.br
He's right--it would have been better, but not a big deal.
I find Kevin Smith to be kind of hit or miss in regards to his opinions (he loved the last Star Wars prequel movie, for example) but on this one I think he's right.
It really would have been better for Spock to have said, "Jim..." Also, I think Nimoy should have delivered the "I have been and always shall be your friend" line more like he did in WOK, and maybe even with a touch of a smile at the end. That would have made that scene perfect.
Who gives a crap what that @$$-face Smith thinks? He just sounds pissed that he didn't get a chance at it and that J.J. Abrams got every beat exactly right. Smith ought to go back to his momma's basement and smoke his crack pipe. Better yet, he needs to quit talking out of both sides of his @$$, because the only thing that's coming out of both ends is a load of crap.
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Dogma.
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"If this is your God, he's not very impressive. He has so many psychological problems; he's so insecure. He demands worship every seven days. He goes out and creates faulty Humans and then blames them for his own mistakes. He's a pretty poor excuse for a Supreme Being." ---Gene Roddenberry
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Obviously.
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Growing up leads to growing old and then to dying,
And dying to me dont sound like all that much fun...
-John Mellencamp
Political tags-such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth-are never basic criteria.
The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
-Robert A. Heinlein
Samuel T. Cogley, Attorney at Law
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Who shit in your oatmeal?
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Growing up leads to growing old and then to dying,
And dying to me dont sound like all that much fun...
-John Mellencamp
Political tags-such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth-are never basic criteria.
The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
-Robert A. Heinlein
Samuel T. Cogley, Attorney at Law
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