It's a no-brainer.... time to reboot Spock's Brain!
People have been crying for Khan. Like another poster wrote, if I want to see Khan I'll put in my Blu-ray (actually, it'll have to be DVD. I haven't made the jump to Blu-Ray yet.) I'm not sure if I'm open to a brand new race of enemies or anything, but I'm ready for the NEW adventures of the Starship Enterprise... not another encounter with the Guardian of Forever. I think a Cardassian movie would be sweet.
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I think a Cardassian movie would be sweet.
The Cardassians are in the Gamma quadrant in 2260, so that's not going to happen. If you're going to use a known Star Trek adversary and stay away from anything new? Might as well be Khan or the Klingons, at least they would be compelling.
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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
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The Cardassians are in the Gamma quadrant in 2260
I can't recall (and I'm too lazy to double check), but is that right?
Not that I care either way on this one, but Uhura did order a Cardassian drink in the bar scene near the beginning of this "first" movie.
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can't recall (and I'm too lazy to double check), but is that right?
Not unless they discovered the wormhole.
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Since the Klingons were mightily hurt by Nero's actions it stands to reason that they were not able to intimidate or conquer worlds or civilizations that they conquered or intimidated in the other time line..
Therefore it stands to reason that one or several of these worlds would or could grow in power and perhaps the ability to conquer other civilizations, thereby providing fodder for several other movies and a new TV series.
There could still be Klingon episodes or Cardassian episodes or whatever, but a few new villains wouldn't hurt a thing.
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I want new adventures. If i want to see Khan i'll watch my Blu-ray.
I want new adventures. If i want to see Khan i'll watch my Blu-ray.
I think it's best to stick with a known race that poses a different threat in the new timeline. Example, Nero actually decimated the Klingons a lot, so the Orions fill the power vacuum and become the major baddies.
This appeases both the new and old fans, which seems to be a theme with Abrams and company. You could throw in enough references to baddies in the alternate timeline and other concepts to keep the old viewers excited, but take nothing away for the new viewers.
oops, double post. sorry.
i doubt they have the balls to do a truly new story. they didn't have them to create new characters when they wrote CrapTrek. It was a lack of creativity that brought kirk and spock back (and nimoy helped pimp an extra 20 million for them). like any other fad, this new trek is going to get old quickly unless they either come up with a good story or somehow make even better special effects (or make sure that chris pine stays young and hot to draw the teenage girls in)
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You just love taking any opportunity you can get to show what a pathetic, bitter little dipshit you are, huh?
Have fun with your continued irrelevance.
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It makes no sense to come up with new enemies again and again...Kazon, Hirogen, Suliban, Xindi...there are already enough classic races that should be focused on in order to create a homogenic and compact universe easily accessible for mainstream viewers.
You make an excellent point. The problem that Star Trek had before this movie was made was that it was perpetually going forward in the timeline with new crews in only sightly different circumstances. The whole, "Star Trek is about going forward" crowd failed to understand that going forward for Star Trek, in an existential sense, now meant going back to it's core. Everyone, including the fans, needed to rediscover the elemental treasure Trek used to embody. It had become so raveled that even fans were turning their backs.
So, we don't need new villainous races with different names and the same old motivations. We need to use the ones everyone knows and get back to what they mean, elementally, as allegory or whatever, in contrast to Kirk, Spock, Bones, etc.
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I think what a lot of people tend to forget too is that in our eyes, the 24th century universe is about as futuristic as we can get right now. Until that look becomes dated, it's going to be quite a feat to go even further into the future from 2385. I don't think we're ready to produce the Next Next Generation yet. [See: Rediculous looking Enterprise-J]
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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
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Yes. Depicting the future is a conundrum in itself. The only reason to go there, I guess, is to inspire or challenge mindsets. A.O. Scott this week, in his review of the new Ice Age movie passingly called Star Trek an anachronism. Interesting notion since the future could plausibly look like 1966, or like an Ice Age. "Reality Sci-Fi" is the real anachronism here. So it's probably better to approach it as impressionistic allegory. Which is pretty much what Roddenberry intended in '65, and what Abrams achieved in this film.
Original story
New villains
To boldly go where no storyline has gone before
Gustavo
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Well...depends on how you define "original story"... Every TOS episode could be seen as an "original story" (original as in ORIGINAL series). I know how you mean it...but I'd rather take classic ideas and add a new and contemporary twist to it...
Too much forced "out of the box" thinking might result in an awfully contreived concept. I'd prefer something basic...something deeply grounded in the Trek mythology...
Back in 2003, people were complaining about the Xindi beacuse we have never heard of them 100 or 200 years LATER! Now people shall believe an entirely new threat in the 23rd century just because Nero altered history?
BTW...the Xindi were are brilliant idea...a multi-species foe living in a mysterious part of the galaxy...yet we have people bubbling crap like "Who is Cindy and since when did we fight a war against her"...Although crap like that makes me angry, these people do have a point...It makes no sense to come up with new enemies again and again...Kazon, Hirogen, Suliban, Xindi...there are already enough classic races that should be focused on in order to create a homogenic and compact universe easily accessible for mainstream viewers...
No, I'd rather do it like this time...they decided to take Romulans but added several new twists to them...that would work for the Klingons or the Orions, too!
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Oh, like "red matter" isn't an awfully contrived concept.
Oh, and you should be very afraid of the Cindy! (and her powerful ally, the Kitty Karry'All)
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Original story. New villains. To boldly go where no storyline has gone before.
You know the temptation to at least use the Klingons in the next two sequels will be too hard to resist. It's bad enough that all of their scenes in Star Trek ended up on the cutting room floor.
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And using Klingons is not a bad idea of itself. They have to be fresh and different though...C'mon...just look at the differences between TOS era Klingons and TNG/DS9/ENT Klingons...they are HUGE! And I'm not just talking about their appearance!
If they are able to introduce a new twist to the Klingons, why not? The Klingons might reflect Muslim fundamentalism this time instead of the Soviet threat in the 1960s...
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If they are able to introduce a new twist to the Klingons, why not? The Klingons might reflect Muslim fundamentalism this time instead of the Soviet threat in the 1960s...
I think you are treading a dangerous line there. It is either radical Islam or certain middle eastern governments themselves that practice fundamentalism. I wouldn't pigeon-hole an entire religion like that. I feel the Klingons will look something like they did in Star Trek VI -- ridged foreheads, but subtle when compared to what we saw in TNG. The shot of Nero knocking out two Rura Penthe guards seems to support this.
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To boldly go where no storyline has gone before
Actually, I wish they adapt STAR TREK VANGUARD's first book, Harbinger. That's a very good TOS story and its original. You've got a mystery with Klingons, Orions and Tholians thrown in the mix.
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As much as I love the VANGUARD novels, if they could adapt a Star Trek novel I suggested they go with PRIME DIRECTIVE, written by Judith and Garfield Reevens-Stevens in their pre-Shatnerverse phase.
One of the BEST TOS tales ever.
Gustavo
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Actually, I wish they adapt STAR TREK VANGUARD's first book, Harbinger. That's a very good TOS story and its original. You've got a mystery with Klingons, Orions and Tholians thrown in the mix.
I would love to see the Tholians in this movie. Even if they don't play a huge part in the movie it would still be neat to see them.
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