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By GustavoLeao / 22:58, 28 June 2009 / Star Trek: Nemesis

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Sci Fi Scanner posted a new interview with Star Trek and Transformers 2 writers Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman and here are few excerpts of the interview.

Q: Are Transformers fans as ravenous as Trekkies?


BO: Transformers fans taught us how to deal with Star Trek fans. And they're both heavy duty. But Transformers fans taught us how to interact; how to turn the conversation constructive a little bit, and not just have it be, "You suck. Go jump off of a building please."


Q: Did you learn anything from writing Transformers 2 that's been helpful in formulating Trek 2?


AK: They're so different. You're putting on a different hat. And the choices that you make in Transformers with Michael as the director versus Star Trek with J.J. couldn't be more 180 degrees in the opposite direction. So I don't know that for me there's a natural corollary between them.


Q: Would you ever again want to draw characters from the "Prime" universe in the sequel, like you did for Spock?


BO: We can't be done with it completely. But I would start with what's happening to the crew now, and if that became a great thing organic to the momentum of where the first movie is going, then maybe. Anything is possible right now. That's really the juice and the curse of this path.

The full interview is here.



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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 00:41:25 on Jun 29, 2009

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Anything is possible right now.

I wouldn't get too excited kiddies. In Star Trek everything has always been possible, this is nothing new. I wouldn't take that comment this early in the process and run with it saying, "See! I told you the old universe is still alive! Bring back Picard and Data, yaaaayyy!!"

You'll be lucky to get a wee cameo from Nimoy one more time -- that's it. Just don't want to see you all get your hopes up. :)

But you will.

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    By: OkeydokeyObi (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:23:58 on Jun 29, 2009

    In Star Trek everything has always been possible, this is nothing new.

    Everything except bringing William Shatner into the fold for the new series. Apparently, that would violate every law of nature and make the trek universe implode on itself.

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      By: Kamen Rider Blade (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:32:19 on Jun 29, 2009

      Shatner made it clear he doesn't do cameos (which is exactly what his role would have been). Between that, and his foolishly agreeing to do Generations all those years ago, he has no one to blame but himself for not being included.

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        By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:52:02 on Jun 29, 2009

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        Shatner made it clear he doesn't do cameos (which is exactly what his role would have been). Between that, and his foolishly agreeing to do Generations all those years ago, he has no one to blame but himself for not being included.

        Hear, hear. I think the contirved means from which Spock "prime" was inserted into this new film was more than enough "valentine" for one decade. The new crew is together and is ready to have their own adventures now. Let's move on, shall we?

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          By: lnf (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:21:37 on Jul 08, 2009

          cdydatzigs wrote:

          Hear, hear. I think the contirved means from which Spock "prime" was inserted into this new film was more than enough "valentine" for one decade. The new crew is together and is ready to have their own adventures now. Let's move on, shall we?

          Yeah, move on to Scotty stuck in water pipes, cartoon hands, Beastie Boys, and everyone in the film acting like ten year olds!


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    By: Kamen Rider Blade (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:46:39 on Jun 29, 2009

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    Quote:Anything is possible right now.

    I wouldn't get too excited kiddies. In Star Trek everything has always been possible, this is nothing new. I wouldn't take that comment this early in the process and run with it saying, "See! I told you the old universe is still alive! Bring back Picard and Data, yaaaayyy!!"

    You'll be lucky to get a wee cameo from Nimoy one more time -- that's it. Just don't want to see you all get your hopes up. :)

    But you will.


    You continue to operate from the false assumption that everyone who's going with what the people who've made the film have stated with regards to whether or not they intended for the original universe to continue to exist are simply over-zealous fanboys who want nothing more than to see the original timeline on screen once again.

    There are those of us who agree with you that it likely won't (and shouldn't) be seen again in film and/or tv (at the very least not any time in the forseeable future). We just see no reason not to take those who actually made the movie at their word with regards to their repeatedly stated intentions about their movie.

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      By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:03:05 on Jun 29, 2009

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      There are those of us who agree with you that it likely won't (and shouldn't) be seen again in film and/or tv. We just see no reason not to take those who actually made the movie at their word with regards to their repeatedly stated intentions about their movie.

      Well, I guess that's my question then. If you agree with me that they shouldn't and very likely won't bring back elements of the old universe into the new productions -- then why fight the fight? In my opinion, being so early in the ballgame the writers might just be paying us lipservice because they don't want to commit to any ideas until they know what they are doing. But in realtity, when they say it "exists" they probably mean "in the hands of the comics, novels and fan films". Isn't that plausible to you too?

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        By: Kamen Rider Blade (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:19:47 on Jun 29, 2009

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        But in realtity, when they say it "exists" they probably mean "in the hands of the comics, novels and fan films". Isn't that plausible to you too?


        Oh, absolutely. I can't speak for everyone else who are taking Orci, Kurtzman, Abrams, etc. at their word, but that's essentially what I've assumed all along as to what they're referring to.

        However, even if the "prime" timeline is limited solely to novels, comic books, etc., then clearly it does still exist (though not in the form some people may be hoping for). The only question then comes down to the issue of "canon". Traditionally, it's been accepted that canon is pretty much limited to officially produced film and television productions. However, one can assume, since they played a hand in its creation, that Orci, Kurtzman, etc. consider "Countdown" to be a part of "canon". What will be interesting to see is what, if anything else, these guys deem to be part of official Star Trek "canon" from here on out.

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          By: c.p. (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:02:46 on Jun 29, 2009

          Orci has said, I think when answering a fan question on Trekmovie.com about Countdown, that he understood canon to only be what was on screen.


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            By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:46:52 on Jun 29, 2009

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            Orci has said .. that he understood canon to only be what was on screen.

            That has always been the understood case -- even going back to the original "powers that be". The exception being cases where people like Roddenberry, Michael Okuda and Rick Sternbach said something to be true (like a random NCC-number for example) whether or not it had been seen on-screen, because they are the very people responsible for what's on-screen anyway.

            For example, the notion that the refit-Enterprise in Star Trek IV was the rechristened Yorktown was suggested by Roddenberry and has been accepted since -- despite never being mentioned on-screen.

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            By: Kamen Rider Blade (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:18:21 on Jun 29, 2009

            Interesting. I'd not seen that. So... if that is the case, then there we are.

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    By: JagMan (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 08:59:39 on Jun 29, 2009

    We get it. You're done with the 'old' universe. I can't count the number of posts you've made tearing down any possibility of it existing anymore on film. It seems to be a persoanl crusade of yours.


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      By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:57:10 on Jun 29, 2009

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      We get it. You're done with the 'old' universe. I can't count the number of posts you've made tearing down any possibility of it existing anymore on film. It seems to be a personal crusade of yours.

      Haha, you know I got the EXACT same criticism in 2007-08 regarding the whole Shatner thing. I felt he shouldn't be in the film and knew he wouldn't be. Eventually people started agreeing, the topic became moot and I ended up being right.

      For 2009-10, I have a feeling I am going to have to endure the same fantasy-talk regarding people wanting to see elements of the old universe in the new films, TV series, etc.. I am hoping these folks will come to their senses quicker than the "Shatnerbators" did. ;)

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        By: lnf (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:17:54 on Jul 08, 2009

        cdydatzigs wrote:

        Haha, you know I got the EXACT same criticism in 2007-08 regarding the whole Shatner thing. I felt he shouldn't be in the film and knew he wouldn't be. Eventually people started agreeing, the topic became moot and I ended up being right.

        You weren't being prophetic, Shatner himself was the first to say he wasn't going to be in it. Get over yourself.

        For 2009-10, I have a feeling I am going to have to endure the same fantasy-talk regarding people wanting to see elements of the old universe in the new films, TV series, etc.. I am hoping these folks will come to their senses quicker than the "Shatnerbators" did. ;)

        Considering you fell all over yourself to defend Abrams, that makes you an "Abramsbator."

        You're just pissed off that TOS still has fans, and Berman Trek is already forgotten.


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        By: c.p. (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:59:15 on Jun 29, 2009

        I think your verdict on this one is far too broad. You might want to narrow it down if you want to keep your batting average. Shoehorning a deceased Kirk Prime into this movie is light years away from "putting elements of the old universe" into a hypothetical Trek XII. I mean, they already did that in THIS movie. Did you catch the tribbles? Also, I think Kirk was in it and some spaceship--the name escapes me. Hell, they put elements of Star Wars, Lost and Cloverfield in it!

        And so it's hardly inconceivable that, say, a Mugatu, or a Carol Marcus, for that matter, could find their way into the next film. It was more difficult to glean the Shatner thing (and I confess I was confused on if he was in or out for a long while) mostly because, hello, Abrams and Co. routinely said they were still looking for a way to put him in it. I certainly didn't take that as a covenant written in stone. But in absence of the prescience you claim to possess, I believed his sincerity. And lo and behold we now know, in detail, the scene that was written for him. I don't think anything you or I or anyone else "knew", nor even any nuggets of wisdom we might have cast into the ether, had anything to do with their decision to leave him out. They did it because it made a better movie. People like me only argued with some like you to recognize that there were more reasonable persons among us who were open-minded about including Shatner, not totally convinced it would work, but not convinced it wasn't doable, given our lack of knowledge of the plot at the time. And given the talent of the makers. That didn't make me a PatBorg (was that her name?) I would never masturbate to Shatner. Well, there was that one episode...


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          By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:53:27 on Jun 29, 2009

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          I mean, they already did that in THIS movie. Did you catch the tribbles? And so it's hardly inconceivable that, say, a Mugatu, or a Carol Marcus, for that matter, could find their way into the next film.

          No, no, no.. you totally got me wrong here. I have NEVER said that the future films and TV series shoudln't or won't have elements of the old universe in it that exist already -- like the tribbles, Carol Marcus or even Khan. On the contrary, I have been very supportive of seeing how they exist in the new universe because their presence (though different) was not affected by Nero's doings.

          When I say we will never see the old universe again, I am talking about the "continuing" 24th century TNG portion of the old universe. The Picards, Rikers and Janeways. That era and universe came to a whimpering halt in Nemesis and is THAT old universe that the studio will not touch again.

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            By: c.p. (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:33:27 on Jun 29, 2009

            Thanks for the clarification. Unfortunately, under this idea, Enterprise gets to exist in unaltered form, whereas Picard and crew reside only in oblivion. How do you like that. We lose Vulcan, but still gotta keep that POS.

            As far as studio concerns go: any chance we'll see Wesley Crusher in the next film? You know he's out there hoppin' levels of being with the Traveler! Just sayin'.


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              By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:38:14 on Jun 29, 2009

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              Unfortunately, under this idea, Enterprise gets to exist in unaltered form, whereas Picard and crew reside only in oblivion.

              This I know already and I have no problems with that. I am not an Enterprise hater and though many of you guys hate the show, it is canon and part of BOTH universes no matter how you cut it. I am also not a Wesley hater, so if he is still kicking it with the Traveler? It would enduce groans for sure, but hey... at least it makes more sense than seeing the Priceline Negotiator waddle past the camera one more time. ;)

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                By: lnf (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:11:41 on Jul 08, 2009

                cdydatzigs wrote:

                at least it makes more sense than seeing the Priceline Negotiator waddle past the camera one more time. ;)

                But watching Dennis The Menace matrix-leap out of a car, Beastie Boys, and cartoon hands = MAKES PERFECT SENSE!

                As far as waddling: Going to post a picture of yourself? Didn't think so.


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                By: c.p. (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:53:47 on Jun 29, 2009

                Well that's just great. You're supposed to be a Star Trek fan. What DO you hate?

                Wait, Priceline Negot- Oh. Never mind.


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                  By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:48:53 on Jun 29, 2009

                  - I don't hate Enterprise because I don't think there was anything inherently wrong with the show. I feel the inclusion of the Ferengi and Borg were both done properly and overall the show was just a victim of the era it was on TV; an era of decline for that genre.

                  - I don't hate Wesley because I am six years younger than him and I never got jealous or resentful of his presence on the bridge.

                  - I also don't hate William Shatner or his portrayal of Captain Kirk whatsoever. I just feel that he was killed off 15 years ago and I don't want the new films to be muddied with his presence -- even in a contrived holographic cameo.

                  There are some things about the franchise I don't like though -- trust me!


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    By: OriginalDefiant (Odo's file, contact) @ 03:04:03 on Jun 29, 2009

    Nonsense!

    One example of the kind of constraints that Roddenberry originally put in the shows, in the old days, was the "perfection" of the characters. Hence, why DS9 deliberately sought to see ways around this (like trying to create more drama by having conflict between the alien and human characters, rather than among the all-too perfect humans).

    So, of course, it's far from the truth that "in Star Trek, everything has always been possible". But I'd agree that any crossovers to be had in this new, altered reality will be few and far between!


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