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By GustavoLeao / 09:32, 26 June 2009 / Star Trek: Nemesis

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Movie Moron posted a new interview with Star Trek and Transformers 2 writers Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman and here are excerpts.

MM: You've mentioned that the fan talkbacks are informing future Star Trek films. Are there any specific suggestions that you're going to consider? Any big Red Lights of where NOT to go with the franchise?


RO: As you can imagine every kind of opinion has been expressed in relation to the movie, so there have been both red lights, green lights, yellow lights, the gamut. What they have done is very quickly identified the fork in the road, which is to do a completely original story or to harmonize with canon the way we did in the first movie, where some of the events overlapped with the original universe and were the same even if time travel hadn't happened and some of the harmonies were reversed, like Spock with Uhura instead of Kirk. They very quickly have fallen into those two camps. And that's interesting cause that's the debate we're having with ourselves. So we're literally getting to read this ongoing debate online and it's very helpful.


MM: Seems like it's a lot of people fleshing out all the possibilities.


RO: And just the merits of one philosophy over another more than any specific ideas. It's more about what's philosophically right to do. Very fascinating.


MM: We've been debating this question on the site - Why didn't Nero just warn Romulus if he went back in time?


RO: Nero is intent on returning to Romulus as a conquering hero. And he's got 150 years before there's any threat to Romulus. So his main mission is find Ambassador Spock, the man who failed him, get the weapon of mass destruction, conquer the Federation, and then return to Romulus. To do anything before that would possibly endanger Romulus and prematurely cause war.


MM: Arguably the most iconic Star Trek villain: Khan. What is the chance you're going to bring him back?


RO: What do you think Alex? 50/50? Is that a boring answer?


AK: That's a good answer.


RO: 50/50. Let's flip a coin right now on the phone. If I said 10/90 I wouldn't tell you which direction we were leaning in anyway.

The full interview is here.



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By: deltaflyer (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:42:35 on Jun 26, 2009

As Uhura would say to Orci/Kurtzman "I hope you know what you're doing".

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By: Logic Incarnate (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 20:25:18 on Jun 26, 2009


Why does the Rock reflect a genetically modified human?

You have been playing too many games with steriotypical bald space marines methinks - Khan was a dictator, not a weightlifter.

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By: Logic Incarnate (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 20:23:01 on Jun 26, 2009


Well, he is 40...



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    By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:13:57 on Jun 26, 2009

    In the pic you posted on here he was only 27... that's probably why I typed what I did. He looks much different now. For the record, might want to get a Khan who's a little taller. 5' 8" would look a little silly next to the 6 foot plus Pine and Quinto.

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By: Dukat (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 18:12:38 on Jun 26, 2009

Question- Why does Khan make any sense what so ever?

Is there any temporal prime directive involved when we have a firmly established alternate timeline? Why would prime Spock, who is an active participant in this timeline actively warn Starfleet and Kirk of the signifiant dangers which lie ahead - the Denovan flying pizzas, the Guardian, Khan, Talos IV.

Surely it is logical for prime Spock to spill the beans on mistakes which the Federation may make, and signifiantly deadly or dangerous missions which he knows about. Further, I would argue since the Federation is a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada, that it would be logical for prime Spock to actively work toward the accellerated expansion of the Federation to minimize the risks of Klingon, Romulan, Borg or Cardassian expansion.

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    By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:55:01 on Jun 26, 2009

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    Question- Why does Khan make any sense what so ever?

    Because he and his genetic supermen launched themselves into space aboard the Botany Bay 237 years before Nero appeared and changed the timeline. That means that Khan and his followers were unaffected by said changes and are still moving slowly through space waiting to be found. In the old timeline it was the USS Enterprise who found him and the episode "Space Seed" documented that. Now? Who knows who will find Khan and what could happen.

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      By: USShawk (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:18:33 on Jun 26, 2009

      And......

      The change in the new timeline won't change who Khan and his people are. They are still genetic supermen, and women who believe in their superiority. Khan and his followers are a threat to anyone they come across.

      I think new aliens just create more confusion in the Trek universe.


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        By: SM (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:59:59 on Jun 27, 2009

        Who finds Khan?

        How about Klingons? That'd give a crew of 20th Century genetically superior supermen a run for their money. It'd make for a short movie, I suppose. Or an otherwise throw-away detail in the opening sequence of one... a Klingon vessel comes across a human ship from 200+ years ago? Target practice.

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          By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:06:35 on Jun 27, 2009

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          Who finds Khan? How about Klingons?

          That was my initial thought. What better way to launch a sequel than to feature a young Khan and the Klingons as well! You could have the film open with a shot of the Botany Bay drifting through space and cut to scenes on a strange bridge, scanning, dialogue -- all unintelligible. Only a few minutes in are the ship designs revealed. Some Klingons board the Botany Bay and make the mistake of turning off the sleeper beds... Khan and his men quickly disarm (and/or kill) the Klingons on board and we first hear Khan's voice.. tricking the Klingon commander to beam him and his mean aboard -- then the main titles for Star Trek: XII are revealed.

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            By: USShawk (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:51:50 on Jun 27, 2009

            Not a bad idea, but is that too much a reference to the Enterprise episodes with the Augments stealing a bird of prey?


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              By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:12:45 on Jun 27, 2009

              It has elements of Star Trek: The Motion Picture where the Klingons are the first thing seen in the movie, as are their investigation of something strange.. as well as elements of The Search for Spock when Kruge's men board the Enterprise moments before it self destructs. It's safe to say that almost everything has been done -- my idea was just something I pulled out of my arse as a way of showing how Khan could make his debut without it being similiar to "Space Seed".

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By: Logic Incarnate (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 17:11:34 on Jun 26, 2009 | Edit History (4)


Well, I would like to see a new story.

But if its Khan...

...Naveen Andrews (from Lost) all the way :)

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The pic is Naveen as the Indian Maharaja in the film 'Kama Sutra'.

"The Khan in the TV episode was a much deeper and better character than the movie Khan." - thats my position too.

But seriously, I think Trek needs to show the new crew in a new story, if we ever hope for the new timeline to become a franchise in its own right. If they wanna do a new series on the same sets at some point and expand into novels, etc, this new setting needs expanding on - it needs new worlds and new civilizations, and the unknown of space.


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    By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:47:24 on Jun 26, 2009

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    But if its Khan ... Naveen Andrews (from Lost) all the way :)

    The only problem with this is that Khan was approximately 47 years old when he emerged from the sleeper ship. You need to find an actor who is closer to that age (as seen in TOS), seeing as Khan and his supermen were unaffected by the timeline change.

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    By: Dukat (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 18:16:42 on Jun 26, 2009

    Although I will get crucified on this site for this one - I think the person who would make a great Khan is the Rock, Dwayne Johnson. Physically, he would be the ideal of a genetically modified human.

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By: prometheus 59650 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 13:26:44 on Jun 26, 2009

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They only plan to make 2 more of these films.

Not necessarily. The cast is only currently locked into a three picture deal. This is completely standard and in no way precludes a fourth film or beyond. It just depends on who wants to do what after the three films are done. They'd be signed on to one film at a time. Two at most.

The principles in Harry Potter were never signed to a 7 pic deal, either. 3, then forward.

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    By: ZOD (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:29:46 on Jun 26, 2009

    ... which is why I also said:
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    Maybe we'll get a few more after that.

    Even if they started churning these things out every two years we aren't going to get than many new stories. That's what worries me about covering old ground.

    Given the quality of the last movie I'm pretty confident that Abrams and Co. will do a good job with whatever they choose. It's just a concern of mine.

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      By: DixonHill (Odo's file, contact) @ 01:10:44 on Jun 27, 2009 | Edit History (1)

      You know, I rather have a problem with them NOT being able to cover old ground in those few movies! Why wasting an entire TOS movie on new stuff instead of giving us the basic of classic Trek for a new generation. Of course not Spock's Brain...but I want Khan, the Doomsday Machine, the Tribbles as a sidekick, Harry Mudd, Tholians etc...

      Reprising these icons made ENT-Season 4 so accessible...There is no need for totally new stuff in THESE movies. Keep the new ideas for a new TV show...


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        By: ZOD (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:46:20 on Jun 27, 2009

        I get what you're saying. There is a tension there. I'd like to see some elements from the past too -- but not at the expense of seeing new ideas. I'm not militant one way or the other.

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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:50:40 on Jun 26, 2009

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What do you think Alex? 50/50? Is that a boring answer? 50/50. Let's flip a coin right now on the phone. If I said 10/90 I wouldn't tell you which direction we were leaning in anyway.

Somebody is going to stumble upon the Botany Bay in Star Trek XII and it ain't gonna be Kirk and Co. The next big casting news is who they're going to get to play the young Khan. Watch. :)

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    By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 13:31:11 on Jun 26, 2009

    Hey, I am hoping for a new villain and a new adventure, but if mr Orci and mr Kurtzman are considering Khan, then good luck to them.

    BTW, this time they can actually show Khan meeting Mr. Chekov! LOL

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    By: Terry212 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 10:46:26 on Jun 26, 2009 | Edit History (1)

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    Quote:What do you think Alex? 50/50? Is that a boring answer? 50/50. Let's flip a coin right now on the phone. If I said 10/90 I wouldn't tell you which direction we were leaning in anyway.

    Somebody is going to stumble upon the Botany Bay in Star Trek XII and it ain't gonna be Kirk and Co. The next big casting news is who they're going to get to play the young Khan. Watch. :)



    If it was a COMPLETELY new Khan story (not like Space Seed, but more like Khan actually GETTING somewhere) it might be interesting. I guess if they could make is mirror Osama bin Laden getting actual POWER or something, we might be able to have some interesting post 9/11 commentary.

    As long as the movie ends with him being marooned in the Seti Alpha system, I'm good. I'd like to keep Trek II in canon.

    I guess the big question would be whether to cast someone physically like Ricardo Montalban or someone who is more legitimately Middle Eastern like Khan the character. Also, the other big question would be whether to rewrite Khan's rise in 1996.

    It might be interesting to retell the story as Khan pulling the strings of global terrorism in our present day, experimenting with genetics and building his super army quietly and then being foiled right before it builds to a head....by the CIA or something so that we never heard of it. Something similar to that was done in the novels, I think, although Gary 7 was involved.

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      By: SuperDave (Odo's file, contact) @ 23:30:17 on Jun 26, 2009

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      If it was a COMPLETELY new Khan story (not like Space Seed, but more like Khan actually GETTING somewhere) it might be interesting.

      Exactly. This is the chance to use an iconic character to tell an original story. Star Trek 2 (not calling it Trek XI) doesn't have to be a remake of Space Seed or TWoK any more than The Dark Knight was a remake of the 1989 Batman.

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      As long as the movie ends with him being marooned in the Seti Alpha system, I'm good. I'd like to keep Trek II in canon.

      Not sure I see your point. It doesn't matter what happens in Trek 2, Trek II is always canon in the Prime universe.

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      I guess the big question would be whether to cast someone physically like Ricardo Montalban or someone who is more legitimately Middle Eastern like Khan the character. Also, the other big question would be whether to rewrite Khan's rise in 1996.

      This is exactly why I'm championing Naveen Andrews for the role, because he's of Indian descent, like the character. He's also a fantastic actor, with tons of range, and physically, he's a beautiful human being, and easily looks like he could have been genetically engineered.

      As far as the Eugeneics Wars goes, I think it's easy to write around that. All you have to say is that Khan was in power "around 200 years ago or so." There's no need to use an exactly date.

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      It might be interesting to retell the story as Khan pulling the strings of global terrorism in our present day, experimenting with genetics and building his super army quietly and then being foiled right before it builds to a head....by the CIA or something so that we never heard of it. Something similar to that was done in the novels, I think, although Gary 7 was involved.

      A prologue set in present day? Interestintg...

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    By: ZOD (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:44:55 on Jun 26, 2009

    It's not that I'm totally against seeing Kahn again. I like the character. They only plan to make 2 more of these films. Maybe we'll get a few more after that. I'm just worried that they are going to spend too much of their limited time re-telling stories. I already know how tough and cool Kahn is. I'd rather see them deal with a new problem. After the destruction of Vulcan do the Klingons smell weakness in the Federation? This all takes place during Pike's original mission. The borders might be looser, maybe there are more pirates.

    Who knows, I'm sure they won't simply remake Space Seed or The Wrath of Kahn.

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      By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:06:32 on Jun 26, 2009

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      I'm just worried that they are going to spend too much of their limited time re-telling stories ... Who knows, I'm sure they won't simply remake Space Seed or The Wrath of Kahn.

      That's what a lot of you are missing... they CAN'T remake "Space Seed" because the universe is new and everything has changed. The only thing that would be indentical is Khan and his sleeper ship. Beyond that, the story has nowhere to go but a different way. The sequel would only be utilizing the character, not the story from the old universe.

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        By: ZOD (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:06:56 on Jun 26, 2009

        Clearly they aren't going to literally remake the episode shot for shot. With the limited number of stories they intend to tell I think they need to be careful how many familiar stories (even in broad strokes) they present at the expense of giving us something original. Again, I'm not against a Kahn movie -- I'm just a bit concerned.

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