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By: FSJGuy (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:20:07 on Dec 11, 2008

the more i think he does have a cameo, there has been hints of it, and i suspect he does protest too much...as does Abrhams...

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  By: Crossbow (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:24:31 on Dec 11, 2008

  When where there hints?? He is not in the movie.

  
  

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By: Kamen Rider Blade (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:16:03 on Dec 11, 2008

...that the new movie doesn't have DeForest Kelley in it. ;-)

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  By: lnf3 (Odo's file, contact) @ 00:04:03 on Sep 14, 2009

  Kamen Rider Blade wrote:
  
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  ...that the new movie doesn't have DeForest Kelley in it. ;-)
  
  And in one fell swoop, you lose all credibility on any post you ever make on these boards ever again.
  
  Well done, cowardly idiot.

  
  

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  By: lnf3 (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:47:19 on Jan 11, 2009 | (2)

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  ...that the new movie doesn't have DeForest Kelley in it. ;-)
  
  Leave it to one of the four trollers, to joke about a dead TOS actor.

  
  

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  By: Locutus (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:00:45 on Dec 11, 2008

  Agreed.
  
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It's because he's a fatso | Report this post to moderator
By: Groulx (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:48:05 on Dec 11, 2008

Shatner is still lucid and could easily do some basic running around as Kirk.

No one ever really just comes out and says it's because he's let himself turn into a pumpkin head.

If that egomaniac would drop 30 pounds, trust me, he would've been in the movie.

I'm making an uninformed but educated guess that the producers of the new Trek movie doesn't want people to be looking at slim Chris Pine and bloated Shatner in the same movie.

Because people will be like "Wow... he sure grows up to look like shit".


If you're a diehard and want Shatner in the movie regardless of the condition he is, then it's just because you like Shatner. You're not thinking about the good of the movie.


It's like Spiner having the balls to show up in Nemesis after apparently eating a truckload of white bread products.

It didn't make sense.

Now Spiner lost weight and they can slap makeup on his wrinkles and he'd be completely passable as Data.

But they had to go and screw up the last movie and damage their chances.

Now Sirtis has hit the wall at Mach 3 and she'll have to wear the Data makeup too.

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  By: SpiritOne (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 14:57:19 on Dec 11, 2008

  That you are making an uninformed guess. I question the educated part of it though.
  
  Maybe Shatner was not included in the movie because it would have seemed convoluted and silly and the writers decided not to try and shoehorn him into their story.
  
  
  
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    By: Groulx (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:24:02 on Dec 11, 2008

    Hey genius.... please enlighten us why it's "convoluted and silly" to have Shatner in there vs. Nimoy?
    
    Are you sure you're not just replying for the sake of someone listening to you?
    
    If Nimoy was the fat load and Shatner was slim... guess who would be travelling back in time in the next movie.
    
    (hint: It wouldn't be Nimoy, douchebag).

    
    

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      By: timmer33 (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:40:56 on Dec 11, 2008

      "Hey genius.... please enlighten us why it's "convoluted and silly" to have Shatner in there"
      
      Uh ... maybe because he's DEAD??? It took a whole movie to bring back Spock. That is not what this film is about, nor should it be.

      
      

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  By: Crossbow (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:56:38 on Dec 11, 2008

  Your an idiot! Do you honestly think that Shatner is never going to age? He is 77 years old. He has had his hip replaced. He has all the medical problems that people his age have. So you need to grow the hell up. People age. To sit there and say that "You're not thinking about the good of the movie" is ridiculous. It is a movie you idiot! Nimoy is 77 years old too. Is he not too old to be putting on the ears again?
  
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    By: rassmguy (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:41:18 on Dec 11, 2008

    "Your an idiot! Do you honestly think that Shatner is never going to age? He is 77 years old. He has had his hip replaced. He has all the medical problems that people his age have. So you need to grow the hell up. People age. To sit there and say that "You're not thinking about the good of the movie" is ridiculous. It is a movie you idiot! Nimoy is 77 years old too. Is he not too old to be putting on the ears again?"
    
    How ironic--your rant says far more about you, I'd say, than about those you're slinging the childish insults at. Why not just relax and enjoy a discussion without resorting to trashing people like a six-year-old? And you tell HIM to grow up?
    
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      By: lnf3 (Odo's file, contact) @ 00:07:15 on Sep 14, 2009

      rassmguy wrote:
      
      How ironic--your rant says far more about you, I'd say, than about those you're slinging the childish insults at. Why not just relax and enjoy a discussion without resorting to trashing people like a six-year-old? And you tell HIM to grow up?
      
      Gee, what a goddamned shocker! A guy trashes Shatner, and proven Bermanite rassmguy doesn't say a fucking word. Someone responds to the cocksucker in kind, and NOW rassmguy has to chime in.
      
      Hypocritical Bermanite troll.
      
      But I'm glad, because I love gathering evidence on you proven TOS-hating trollers.

      
      

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      By: Kamen Rider Blade (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:52:17 on Dec 11, 2008

      Careful. He's probably going to call you a "poopyhead" or something now. ;-)
      
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        By: lnf3 (Odo's file, contact) @ 00:09:39 on Sep 14, 2009

        Kamen Rider Blade wrote:
        
        Careful. He's probably going to call you a "poopyhead" or something now. ;-)
        
        Considering your idea of "sharp wit" is saying "You have sex with Shatner." You're the last one to say anything about anyone, Bermanite.

        
        

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    By: Groulx (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:30:20 on Dec 11, 2008 | (1)

    Who are you replying to?
    
    Your reply is insane.
    
    I had it read it 4 times to decipher what you are saying.
    
    I gather you mean it's valid he should be in the movie because it's natural he looks old because he's 77.
    
    Put it in context, genius. Yes, Nimoy is old and wrinkly ...but he's playing his character at age 200+ years old.
    
    It makes sense he looks old. So he got in.
    
    It doesn't make sense for Captain Kirk... living hundreds of years in the future... to be a fat load with the rosatia on his cheeks. They'd have a cure for overweight Starfleet officers.
    
    They used Scotty's corpse to find the cure.
    
    Now... if Shatner were making an appearance in the movie playing a 77-year old man from 2009 without the willpower to hit a gym... then yes... I agree... he should be in the movie.

    
    

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      By: Crossbow (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:25:33 on Dec 11, 2008

      My comment was directed at you! Only an idiot would ramble on about how people have the nerve to "age". People age. Shatner is 77 years old. Do you think he would never age? Do you think that he does not have any of the medical problems people his age have?
      
      Nimoy looks like he is about to die in the trailer. He is 77 years old. If it was not established that Vulcans live that long you would be bitchin that he was too old to be putting on the ears again. So knock it off.
      
      It is very clear you are what 14? Fixated on peoples appearances. You have a lot to learn about life. Let us take a picture of you and compare to you later on in life and see how well you never age. I bet Shatner looks better now at 77 then you ever will.
      
      To whine about how it doesn't make sense to be in the future blah blah. Only shows that you are 1)incredibly immature and 2)take Trek way to seriously to that point that you forget it is JUST A MOVIE and NOT REAL LIFE!
      
      Get out from your hole a little more often and live a little.

      
      

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By: Crossbow (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:38:57 on Dec 11, 2008

Everyone wants Shatner back in Trek. They want to bring back the hero. Everyone keep saying they are tired of hearing Shatner saying that he is not the movie. WELL...everyone keeps asking him. Therefore it shows that there is great interest in getting him back into Trek.

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  By: rassmguy (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:39:44 on Dec 11, 2008

  "Everyone wants Shatner back in Trek."
  
  The press may feel that way, but one thing the various fan forums have made clear is that the majority of fans don't want him in the film if the story doesn't call for him to be in it.
  
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By: Miroslav (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:04:08 on Dec 11, 2008 | (1)

Denny rules: :D :D

We want him in the ST XII!

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By: Bean (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 12:20:49 on Dec 11, 2008

I'm getting so tired of hearing this....

And it's not even that Shatner is beating a dead horse, it's just that people keep asking him about it. God.. even the Takei stuff is starting to become irritating.

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Enough is now excessive | Report this post to moderator
By: zak (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:14:30 on Dec 11, 2008

I don't know when I've ever been so sick of hearing something as I am that Shatner is disappointed not to have been ..... I loved Shatner as Kirk and he's cool in lots of other ways; but please; I'd rather not ever hear again that he's even said ONE MORE TIME that he's disappointed not to have been ... Enough here is excessive, obviously.And what does all that accomplish anyway...not much positive (and this guy has indeed done positive things for the new ST film - but not this ragging on every opportunity that comes up - my opinion anyway). Maybe people love to hear him say it. Not me.

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  By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 13:37:01 on Dec 11, 2008

  Well, we receive this press release from Stern people....so I guess it is better to post it and leave at that. It more about promoting Stern show than anything else, anyway.
  
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    By: zak (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:17:15 on Dec 12, 2008

    RE: Enough is now excessive
    
    I think either you missed what my comment was directed towards or I wasn't very clear. LOL! In either event, what I meant was NOT that you (TREKWEB) shouldn't be printing that story (not at all, I'd be disappointed if you knew it and didn't print it), but rather than Shattner (whom I otherwise like and think has done some good stuff on several levels) has to keep going on about the issue. In other words, the 'excessive and enough' was directed not to TREKWEB at all, but entirely to Shattner. (Even if interviewers keep asking him the question leading to that response, he could please stop feeding it). :) :) :)
    
    

    
    

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By: prometheus 59650 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 11:18:55 on Dec 11, 2008

take the check and kill your character.

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  By: Crossbow (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:36:32 on Dec 11, 2008

  Do you know any Trek history? He killed the character because they were goin to do it regardless as this would make way for TNG. They asked Nimoy to join he said no. So knock off this whinning about Shatner taking the check. At that time it was the end of TOS in the movies.

  
  

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    By: prometheus 59650 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 16:06:17 on Dec 11, 2008

    I know plenty of Trek history. For instance....
    
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    He killed the character because they were goin to do it regardless as this would make way for TNG.
    
    Shatner refusing to do it would have changed the story. Shatner bows out, and what, you're gonna kill him off screen? Maybe a throwaway line? No.
    
    Berman talked Shaner into it by implying that it might not REALLY be the end (According to Shat something akin to "The Return" was being bandied about)
    
    They killed Kirk and tied TOS in with TNG because, with Shatner there, they COULD. No Shatner and Generations can happen almost entirely unchanged. Except that Kirk's end is ambiguous because, without him in it, there'd be NO need to mention him.
    
    So a 14 years older Kirk COULD have appeared in the new film.
    
    But Shatner took the check. Case closed.
    
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    They asked Nimoy to join he said no.
    
    Because the script was shit. Even RDM will basically cop to that now.
    
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    At that time it was the end of TOS in the movies.
    
    Which could've just as easily ended by no longer referencing them. They went the Shatner route because his participation opened the door. Period.
    
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      By: Crossbow (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:38:25 on Dec 11, 2008

      You know nothing about Trek.
      
      TOS movies were done. They ended it well with STVI. The cast was older and TNG was at the top of their game. The decision was made to do TNG movies. They decided in order to do that they had to have a bridge of TOS to TNG. Hence you get Generations. Kirk character was going to be killed off somehow and Shatner thought he might as well do it. They asked Nimoy to directed and he said no. He didn't like the script. So Shatner was in and Nimoy said no. You are implying that it was Shatners greed. It was not.
      
      Generations was dumb and it was years later that RDM had the guts to admit the script was all over the place and totaly shit.
      
      Berman told Shatner that he would do The Return as the next movie and they decided not to the film and you got FC instead. Thus sealing the final fate of Shatner and Kirk. THAT is why you have the hopes of many fans to see Shatner again just like they are seeing Nimoy as Spock. Of course you have the idiots and the anti-shatner fans (are you one too??) that scream it is not right blah blah, it would not be realistic blah blah. Well it is realistic to have had Spock killed off and brought back? Was it realistic to have his radiation poisoned body brought back to life as a child and watch it age. Then put back his soul? Come on people it is a just a movie. It is Sci-Fi damn it. If you want complete realism then go watch the Discovery Channel.
      
      But please stop spreading this bullshit about how Shatner took the money and ran. It was NOT the case. He has wanted to do Kirk again for YEARS now. This would of been a great opportunity to do so. But Abrams has dropped the ball on this one. Please don't give me this "weight and age" thing. Shatner can lose weight. He is 77 years old so it would be difficult but not impossible. Do you scream at your grandparents for not being Mr.Universe??
      

      
      

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        By: rassmguy (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:44:07 on Dec 11, 2008

        "You know nothing about Trek."
        
        Why the hostility? Why the insults? Why the anger? Seriously, man, get a life. It's just a discussion about a movie--repeatedly insulting people you don't even know just makes you look bad, not them.
        
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          By: Kamen Rider Blade (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:52:33 on Dec 11, 2008

          All I know is, I feel sorry for anyone who knows and has to put up with this guy in their daily lives.
          
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          Because he doesn't have anything else at his disposal? ;-)
          
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        By: prometheus 59650 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 17:20:53 on Dec 11, 2008 | (1)

        No. I'm stating OUTRIGHT that had Shat NOT chosen to participate Kirk would be alive and in a position to cameo without 20 mintes of the new film having to be devoted to explaining his "undeath."
        
        How do you kill Kirk in a reasonable manner in Gen WITHOUT Shatner in the film??? No one is just going to off him off screen. Would. Not. Happen. It'd make the fandom go crazy AND it doesn't work creatively.
        
        If Shatner had not participated Generations would NOT have killd Kirk.
        
        It's the same way the new film would have been written differently if Nimoy had turned it down.
        
        
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          By: Crossbow (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:48:49 on Dec 12, 2008

          Suddenly you were there back when Generations was being put together? Suddenly you know that they could of easily have killed Kirk without Shatner by some body doubles or just some text. You do know that there was 2 scripts written on the death of Kirk.
          
          All this garbage you keep talking about is nothing short of Abrams ass kissing and anti-Shatner.
          
          Get it through your skull that after STVI it was a decision to do NO MORE TOS films and do TNG instead. So in Shatners mind the character was goin to die anyways. They ASKED Nimoy to be part of it, he refused. So this was not a case of Shatner going in there for the pay check. What do you think Nimoys check is for this new movie? Again you were not there. I have heard Shatner speak about Generations in interviews and at conventions. The story has never changed. So do the world a favour and give your Shatner bashing a break. The guy wanted to do the film and Abrams and co said "fuck you". People still keep asking him.
          
          Lastly will people like yourself knock off the "it won't be "real" if they bring him back blah blah. It is a Sci Fi movie damn it. They brought dinosaurs back from extinction. ANYTHING is possible. You people have ruined Trek with your constant whinning about how it is suppose to be real....

          
          

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            Suddenly you know that they could of easily have killed Kirk without Shatner by some body doubles or just some text.
            
            Bullshit. It would NEVER have been done. You know it just as well as I do, you just can't admit it because so doing basically admits your entire argument is nothing more than a senseless rant.
            
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            STVI it was a decision to do NO MORE TOS films and do TNG instead. So in Shatners mind the character was goin to die anyways.
            
            More bullshit nonsense in equating the end of TOS films with the death of the character. There are no more TOS films, so Sulu and Chekov must have died shortly thereafter, eh? No more TNG movies, so Riker must have died right after taking command of the Titan.
            
            No. Of course not. They went on. To what, we don't know. But ending the films is not ending their "lives."
            
            He didn't HAVE to do it. Generations WOULDN'T have killed him if he hadn't. But he did
            
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            All this garbage you keep talking about is nothing short of Abrams ass kissing and anti-Shatner.
            
            Not so much anti-Shat as pro-reality, pro-common-sense and pro-logic. Give any one of them a whirl.
            Your arguments will improve.
            
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            The guy wanted to do the film and Abrams and co said "fuck you".
            
            Well, yes. Because:
            
            A) I don't have any desire to spend a crapload of movie time explaining away his death.
            
            B) William Shatner "Doesn't do cameos." According to him.
            
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            Lastly will people like yourself knock off the "it won't be "real" if they bring him back blah blah.
            
            It won't be. However, my biggest problem is that *I* also don't want to sit through the, "Here's why the character that died 14 years ago is here with the guy who isn't."
            
            Movie time is finite. To do that, by necessity, takes away from what the rest of the story might offer.
            
            And resurrecting the character simply isn't necessary. It may be to you because you feel robbed by Generations, but that's a different thing. He took the check and made his character's death possible. Your beef is with Shat. Not me or anyone else.
            
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            You people have ruined Trek with your constant whinning about how it is suppose to be real....
            
            Not real. But, like any film, it's supposed to make some logical sense in order for people to accept the dinos on screen. Or that people fly around on ships at 1,000x the speed of light.
            
            Trek's problem is that for far too long it hadn't made sense. When every problem was solved by shunting an anti-proton beam through the main deflector dish to create a pseudo-discombobulation field to disrupt the barrier we're in or some other mindless inanity.
            
            There's no room for suspension of disbelief when the solution comes from a stream of techie sounding bullshit designed only to end the episode on time. Trek has relied too long on the toys and lost focus on the people. If the new film has leaned that lesson then it'll do fine.
            
            You're the one suggesting that we make it so unreal that it's impossible for regular people to connect with, thereby dooming Trek yet again. The last 10 years of Trek didn't work, why you want to revisit that narrative style aside from righting some perceived slight, I don't know
            
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            By: rassmguy (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:52:28 on Dec 12, 2008

            "The guy wanted to do the film and Abrams and co said "fuck you"."
            
            That's patently absurd.
            
            
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        By: Kamen Rider Blade (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:58:20 on Dec 11, 2008 | (1)

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        Of course you have the idiots and the anti-shatner fans (are you one too??) that scream it is not right blah blah, it would not be realistic blah blah.
        
        There are no anti-Shatner fans. There are simply fans who are realistic enough to know that this new movie can not and should not be forced to rectify the "mistake" of Star Trek: Generations.
        
        As to which group are the idiots...
        
        
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        Well it is realistic to have had Spock killed off and brought back? Was it realistic to have his radiation poisoned body brought back to life as a child and watch it age. Then put back his soul?
        
        Not the same. Search For Spock came out two years after Wrath of Khan. Generations will have been almost fifteen years ago by the time the new movie comes out.
        
        
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        Come on people it is a just a movie. It is Sci-Fi damn it.
        
        Oh, the irony...
        
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        He has wanted to do Kirk again for YEARS now. This would of been a great opportunity to do so. But Abrams has dropped the ball on this one.
        
        It is not J.J. Abrams' responsibility to undo the events of a movie from almost fifteen years ago.
        
        
        
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