Now THAT'S what was missing from that trailer! That's the perfect end, with Nimoy there, saying that classic line. I kept looking for Nimoy the first time they released this, and was a little disappointed that they didn't put him in.
A deliberate move on their part, just so they could keep feeding us new "revelations" down the line, maybe? Either way, I'm definitely excited to see this movie.
This trailer does not encourage me that Nimoy's role will resolve the continuity issues. It only underscores that the bugs in the treatments and drafts that I have seen (that more or less resolve the continuity issues with the old Berman/Braga self-contradictory retrocon) were not resolved.
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Yeah, Kirk's father dies in 2233, days before Kirk is born - and some Romulans from the TNG era inadvertently introduce technology from that era into Trek's past - and that throws the timeline out of whack a bit. Neither of these things explain in the Trek universe why Kirk is a different man (I mean it's not like a different sperm fertilized the egg or something because Kirk's mother and father didn't conceive in quite the right way nine months earlier). Why McCoy and Spock who were born years before the point of divergence are different people. Why Pike is different. Why Sulu went from being Japanese to Korean. Why Uhura is different. Why Chekov is different.
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I mean come 'on folks, suspension of disbelief is one thing - but this is supposed to be air tight. Much more air tight than the crap treatments and scripts I read a couple months before the writers' strike. This is supposed to blend seamlessly with "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before". Nothing that I have seen so far concurs with that assessment.
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I have had issues with this movie too, I am still against this film, but what you just wrote, are not really good reasons to bash the movie. The characters all look different, because their are different actors trying to play those characters. The original actors are too old to play their former youthful selves, and 2 of the original actors are dead, they died of old age and illness as a result of old age.
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I have been (and am currently involved with) a number of scripted series over the past 10 years. When I was working on BSG my copy of the script for the mini-series had my initials and title watermarked on each page and each revised draft was also watermarked in a similar fashion. When the show went to series all scripts were accessed via the VPO which allowed them to keep track of each user who logged on and who had accessed drafts and revisions. By season 4 all parties involved with the show were required to sign a non-disclosure agreement after numerous leaks made their way onto SyFy portal and several other sites. In short, NO ONE wanted to discuss any aspect of the show for fear of reprisal from NBC Universal, R&D, etc.
So, having said all this and based upon my own personal experiencees in this business, it seems highly unlikely that you would risk the livelihood of the individual who allowed you to read the scripts and treatments (or your own livelihood, for that matter). Very few people would have had access to treatments, writers and production drafts for this film.
If you have read the script and have taken it upon yourself to discuss it in this forum than this would seem to indicate either sheer stupidity or just plain arragonace on your part.
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As I said, I was exposed the materials a few months prior to the writer's strike - before many revisions were supposedly made. And I have said nothing here that would compromise anyone's career - including my own. Everything that I have said is part of public knowledge by now (or at least confirmed by the studio at this point). Maybe I'm a little arrogant to note that nothing that I have seen since (such as this trailer) undermines my presumption that the issues had not been worked out prior to the start of shooting a year ago. Oh well; I won't lose too much sleep over that.
As I have said many times, I am not a fanboy whining about the canon. To marginalize me as such is no different than what Bill O'Reilly does to his guests when they present facts, opinions, or what-have-you that don't jive with the GOP-centric editorial that he is presenting nightly.
The point I am noting is that this project was sold as the great thing that would fix the franchise within continuity after Berman and Braga broke it. When the project was announced I was skeptical - not seeing a way that this task could be achieved. Then I saw where they were going and I was more skeptical because I felt that J.J. and his team were taking an extremely difficult task and making it impossible by staging the story in the TOS era. Now, it is just clear that this will not work and the film will be a major disappointment for all. So, now I'm looking forward to May 9th to read the reviews as this failure makes "Showgirls" look like a major artistic and commercial success.
The sad thing is that after 45 years the "Star Trek" franchise will go out with a sickening thud and not a whimper.
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The sad thing is that after 45 years the "Star Trek" franchise will go out with a sickening thud and not a whimper.
Trek already went out with a sickening thud...it was called Enterprise. These Are The Voyages was our last look at that shriveled, decomposing corpse.
This new movie is trying to revive a dead franchise. Hopefully it will succeed; but if it fails to do so, the sad reality is that Trek had been driven into the ground a long time ago.
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this project was sold as the great thing that would fix the franchise within continuity after Berman and Braga broke it.
Um...when was it ever sold as such?
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Now, it is just clear that this will not work and the film will be a major disappointment for all.
How is that clear? Everything I've seen has looked awesome.
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The sad thing is that after 45 years the "Star Trek" franchise will go out with a sickening thud and not a whimper.
Gotta love that optimism. *rolls eyes*
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Low blow. You compared me to Bill O'Reilly. But point taken.
I have my own anxieties but, in the end, we just have to wait and see how it all shakes out. If it's well received and pulls in $200 million this will be the future of Star Trek.
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You're kidding right? You want an onscreen explanation for why they characters are being portrayed by different actors? omg, now I've heard it all...
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I mean come 'on folks, suspension of disbelief is one thing - but this is supposed to be air tight.
At what point has anyone said that the transition into the "new" Trek was going to be airtight? Who, if anyone, said that there weren't going to be any holes in the new movie? They're taking one of the most iconic franchises of all time, and changing it in a major way. How in the hell could they (or you) think for a second that it's gonna be airtight?
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treatments and scripts I read a couple months before the writers' strike.
Quite simply, this never happened. You know it, I know it and everyone reading this knows it.
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This is supposed to blend seamlessly with "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before"
No it's not. Nobody associated with the film has EVER said anything like that. Period.
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Nothing that I have seen so far concurs with that assessment.
And nothing in your comments is even close to objective, factual, or even remotely sensible.
An onscreen explanation for the new actors? Really? That's the best fanboy whining I've heard yet, and there's been some good ones.
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1) Where's the proof you read these drafts and treatments? That seems rather doubtful.
2) Who ever said it's supposed to blend seamlessly with the two pilots? That has never been said.
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Why Sulu went from being Japanese to Korean.
You do get that it's just a movie, and these are actors portraying fictional characters, right?
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Mr. Nimoy came out of retirement to do this. He must have felt legacy's call. If you can't geek out to a high def picture of Nimoy as Spock one last time, you aren't worth your weight in tribbles!
He was (and always shall be) saying LLAP to all of us in that final scene of his.
Anyone pause and check out the Klingons that Nero takes on? They seem a little different. Perhaps it's the way that quicktime paused, but they look very similar to the Klingons of TMP. Any thoughts?
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Anyone pause and check out the Klingons that Nero takes on? They seem a little different. Perhaps it's the way that quicktime paused, but they look very similar to the Klingons of TMP. Any thoughts?
If you freeze-frame the 1080p version, you'll clearly see that Nero's captors are wearing masks with the traditional forehead ridges. It remains to be seen what the Klingons beneath the masks actually look like.
It's the exact same trailer, but this has soooo much more of a powerful ending compared to Nero's line. Which is good, but not "trailer ending" good - Nimoy Spock is how you end a freakin trailer.
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An elephant never forgets . . .TO KILL!
Awesome.
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I got goosebumps.
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I fangasmed.
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And dying to me dont sound like all that much fun...
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Oh, feels great to see Nimoy as Spock.
Can't wait!!!
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Oh, feels great to see Nimoy as Spock.
Can't wait!!!
Agreed. Great to see Nimoy! :D
I also think that the Nero clip doesn't look right stuck in the middle of the trailer like that, but whatever.
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they should just omit the nero scene "the wait is over" or make a new one all together with this new trailer because the "wait", is not over, so to speak, and it just seems out of place compared to the first released 2nd trailer.
they should just omit the nero scene "the wait is over" or make a new one all together with this new trailer because the "wait", is not over, so to speak, and it just seems out of place compared to the first released 2nd trailer.
Let's hear it for viral marketing!
And to quote Scotty from "Star Trek: Generations":
Brought a tear to me eye.
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Jean-Luc Picard, Yesterday's Enterprise
The trailer acts like it downloads but all I end up with is a blank white screen.
I have Quicktime and Windows Media Player 11.
Anybody got any ideas?
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Rght click the preferred link (720, 1080, etc.) and save it to your 'puter. Then play it back with Quick Time.
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Giving an exclusive trailer to AICN?!
It's hosted direct by Paramount and everything!
Also weird that it's the exact same trailer but with a bit of Nimoy - did they bottle showing him in the released version or maybe saving him up? All very odd. But cool :P
Love the line, although I did like Nero's 'The wait is over' at the end in the original. :)
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Also weird that it's the exact same trailer but with a bit of Nimoy
No it's note - there's a lot of differences in this trailer. I actually like it better than the trailer that came out earlier, and not just because of Nimoy, though that doesn't hurt.
His eyes look weird in that screencapture, tho.
Al
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It's not the same trailer - it's re-arranged, and it has some extra footage we haven't seen before - besides Spock.
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Growing up leads to growing old and then to dying,
And dying to me dont sound like all that much fun...
-John Mellencamp
Political tags-such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth-are never basic criteria.
The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
-Robert A. Heinlein
Samuel T. Cogley, Attorney at Law
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I have only watched it once so I may have missed something.
The only difference I recognized: They took out the bridge shot with the duct tape (and the guy peeing in the background) and replaced that with "The wait is over".
And then, of course, they put in Old Spock at the end.
Anything else?
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