I think the new look is absolutly disgusting, the mad an abomination out of the ship, you can not rewrite history or change it to suit it to your liking. You may Tweek it or adjust it. They should have used the updated version of the original series that has been going around that would have been much truer to the spirit of the orginal show to which this is supposedly a prequel to.
I am happy to write my opinion on this new look for our favorite ship.
I love it. It looks great. It is only one shot. Wish I could see more.
I love the nacelles. I think the deflector is just how it should have always been.
I hate every one of you naysayers and your ego's. It's not the ship that you would have liked to design. GREAT. Yours would just be like a giant douchebag flying in space. WOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH
Stop bashing. If you don't like the new look , go away.
You have lived in your moms basement too long.
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Good for you. You "hate" every one who has an opinion other than yours...hmmmm. You are telling us to "go away" I think you are the one living in your "moms basement" too long.
I am almost 50 years old, you sound like a little spoiled brat, shame on you for hating people for having a different opinion. I don't like the new design, so what, I read the four scenes from the movie, and, it sounds horrible. I hope I am wrong, but, I am entitled to my opinion, as you are yours, I don't "hate" others for their opinions, I am not telling those that like the new design to "go away". My ego...what do you know of my ego? I simply posted my thoughts, I didn't even offer any opinion really, of what the ship should look like, only that, I don't like the new design, at all, it is, IMO, horrible. The script, it sounds horrible. You should be a bit more tollerant of others opinions. Thats what the whole forum is for, or, is it ONLY for those who agree with you, and have only good things to say? Geee, what fun is that. Now, I hear your mommy calling, there is a nice big cold glass of milk, and fresh baked chocolate chip cookise waiting up stairs for you, then you can have your afternoon nap. Maybe when you wake up you'll not be so cranky and full of hate. Have a nice day.
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It looks great!! More or less the classic design with some minor tweaks. Well done, JJ....well done indeed.
May 8, 2009 can't get here fast enough!
Maybe two....Lost, one of the GREATEST shows EVER.
Everything else he has done, IMO, has been so-so to horrible (Cloverfield) JJ is great at hype, I'll give him that, too. But, looking at the Enterprise, (I know, it's only one picture) my jaw literally dropped in dissapointment, (Not that I was expecting much, but, the first trailer gave me a glimmer of hope) Itis so horribly UGLY, no grace, the whole ship is a MAJOR turn off.
Then, I read some of the scenes from the movie, if they are indeed true, then, all I can say, is, STAR TREK is truly over, dead. The fact that Kirk is grabbing Uhura's breasts, picking bar fights, constantly in need of being helped or saved, and, the meeting of old Spock and young Kirk, horrible, just horrible. The whole movie plot sounds stupid. The more I hear, the more I see, the more I feel alinated, from something I grew up with, exactly what JJ said he would not do, he did. Well, I will always be happy he gave us "LOST", unless, he somehow ruins it, but, I tip my hat to JJ and crew for how great they've done with it to date, and, I hope, that maybe, all this is bs, and, misleading, and the actual movie is great, and, nothing like what i'm hearing and seeing as of today.
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what's all this talk about squeezed boobage? is that from one of the scene spoilers (i didn't purposely didn't read) that was posted recently?
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Yes, it came out recently. I think it's supposed to be a comical facet to a bar fight Kirk gets in. I assume he tries to stop from getting thrown into a wall or something and reaches out, only to find boobage.
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"Outer Space: The Last Frontier.
These are the trips of the Star Trek Enterprise. Its five year plan calls for us to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly fly where no man has gone in space. Live long, and be happy."
Patrick Stewart--SNL, Stardate 9402.05
I'm loving the new design. The whiners and complainers really need to get a grip until the movie comes out and they get The Entire Picture.
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May the Great Bird of the Galaxy take a big dump on JJ Abram's head!! This Enterprise design isn't the worst of it. It's how the've twisted the whole idea of Star Trek, screwed up all the characters, and tried to make "Top Gun" in space. Anyone who is defending a film that shows Capt. Kirk as a horny drunk, who makes crude remarks & then squeezes Uhura's boobs should get off this site right now! That's not change - that's just dumbing everything down! I thought Transformers was childish, but Orci & Kurtzman are going to make that look like Hamlet compared to this rubbish!!! BOYCOTT AHOY!!!!!!!
This is horrible, the new ship that was posted on this site looks absolutely wrong. Trek is in serious trouble if this is really the ship. I mean we all wanted them to make trek again. But if I new this is what they had in mind I'd be ok with no more Trek. The movie that comes in 09 we should all boy cot.
For those of you I can already hear you calling me hatter I mean at this point your all acting like if it says star trek on it we will watch it. This movie must be stopped at the highest level.
Please do not see this movie. We need to send Viacom a message. We are not gonna role over again.
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"I am NOT Scorned."
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This is horrible, looks absolutely wrong. Trek is in serious trouble if this is really the ship. I mean we all wanted them to make trek again. But if I new this is what they had in mind I'd be ok with no more Trek. The movie that comes in 09 we should all boy cot.
For those of you I can already hear you calling me hatter I mean at this point your all acting like if it says star trek on it we will watch it. This movie must be stopped at the highest level.
Please do not see this movie. We need to send Viacom a message. We are not gonna role over again.
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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
Beautiful ship! I can't wait for this movie!!!!
They don't look like they do in the trailer which is a bit odd?
Suppose the reason/excuse will be she's under construction.
It was always going to be a tough one to pull off as the 1701 looks so basic and 60s compared to 24th century ships, but I think I like it :)
Only thing I would say is that it's maybe a little "50s" and the secondary hull seems a little plastic moulded/under developed - like the saucer and secondary hull are from two seperate designs/models. They don't seem 'at one' :)
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This is a section of the actual trailer off the official website that I blew up and enhanced. This is the port-side nacelle and it looks like it fits in with the image released this week -- just might be deceptive with all the scaffolding around it and the bussard scoop exposed to air ;)
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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
Not sure if I like it. It doesn't really seem graceful enough, especially around the nacelles. I think I liked Gabe Koerner's re-design better. To me, this design adapts what I didn't like about the TNG design--i.e. smaller nacelles and an overblown saucer section. At least it's round and not oval, though...
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Not sure if I like it ... To me, this design adapts what I didn't like about the TNG design ... smaller nacelles and an overblown saucer section.
Don't be fooled by this image. It is a production still and the optical illusion caused by the perspective just makes the nacelles seem small and the saucer huge in this image. I am sure that the ship is proportioned like the TOS-Enterprise we know: standard round saucer with long nacelles.
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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
It has all been building up to this for the last 2 years. After all the speculation and consternation, it is real neat to finally see snippets of footage, pitcures of the uniforms, and now, a picture of the Big E herself.
This is an awesome homage to both TOS and the TMP refit (which was the best E ever, hands down). Why did they have to push back the release date? I am seriously pumped for this now!
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Gustavo.. your boy Dixon Hill is responding needlessly to posts with spoiler information about the film. Is there any way to lock him into an airlock and push "OPEN" for me? Thanks.
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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
This ship actually echos the NX-01, essentially making the NX-01 from "Enterprise" a much more believable fit with all that follows. Couple this with the Admiral Archer reference and I'm sure anyone who worked on "Enterprise" has to be thrilled.
My 2 cents are it looks great, but once again unless there is some plot element establishing this as being a new timeline or something, I can't see how they can keep saying it's in the same canon as TOS considering the lack of visual continuity. Assuming there isn't some obvious link in the new movie that gives a reason why it looks different, then the fans basically are going to christen this a reimagining no matter what Abrams and company say. And it may be only way some people (see some of the naysayers in this thread) are going to accept it.
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I can't see how they can keep saying it's in the same canon as TOS considering the lack of visual continuity.
Again, I think this is simply a VISUAL reboot. If we were to make this new film a radio show, where there were no visuals? The characters, their back stories, and all the other elements of the timeline would fit perfectly in with the established TOS and the shows and films that followed.
I just think this film gives us an opportunity to bring the TOS-era up to the same standards visually as the film that takes place after it, The Motion Picture. Though we accepted it, the production design of TMP was a HUGE jump from season 3 of TOS, even though only 18 months speperates them on the official timeline. The look of this film corrects that.
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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
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Except the backstory isn't consistent. Chekov, for all intents and purposes, is a new character, closer in age to Kirk. In the original series, Chekov was 22 when Kirk was in his 30s. This is a new Star Trek.
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"Emerson!" Isaac Asimov
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The actor portraying Chekov in the new film is 18 years old. Chris Pine is playing a Kirk who is around 29 or so. If we take these ages and advance them a few years to the point we saw them in the Original Series.. how do they differ? It's a visual reboot.. Chekov's hair is curlier now, big deal.
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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
Look at the image below.
I put this image together to illustrate my point that John Eaves and company clearly designed this NCC-1701 starship to be more realistically a predeccsor to the refit that we know will come 7 years after this film takes place. Look at the deflector dish and the saucer especially. Scotty could refit the new design FAR more easily to get to the image below, than what we have been expected to accept for the last 29 years since The Motion Picture came out.
If you take into consideration the sets, uniforms and other production design of J.J.'s new film? My original speculation that this film is ONLY a visual reboot and upgrade for the TOS era is all but confirmed now.
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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
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Only a visual reboot? Not hardly.
They are also rebooting Chekov and making him nearly the same age as Kirk. Rebooting Scotty and making him the same age as Kirk. So in the Abrams Trek universe, they all went to the academy together, and all were assigned to the Enterprise together. Oops, except McCoy didn't appear until the series began, and Chekov was 22, twelve years younger than Kirk.
Nope. This is a reimagining. All that about respecting the canon is nonsense. This is a new Star Trek.
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"Emerson!" Isaac Asimov
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Only because in this alternate reality Jim Kirk enters Starfleet Academy a lot later and does a lot worse!
Great Scott, how often do I have to explain it. The writing is on the wall. Nero kills Kirk's dad - Kirk turns into a lazy Jerk, dropped out and suspended time and again - Old Spock has to repair the damage that's been done trying to do the best to put the "old" crew together...
That's why Uhura is already in Starfleet when Kirk isn't. Because in this reality even Uhura and Chekoc are quicker students than Kirk!
Believe it ir not, but that's what this movie is about...
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Great Scott, how often do I have to explain it. The writing is on the wall. Nero kills Kirk's dad - Kirk turns into a lazy Jerk, dropped out and suspended time and again - Old Spock has to repair the damage that's been done trying to do the best to put the "old" crew together...
That's a possibility, but existing canon doesn't say that Kirk's father wasn't killed.
What you're proposing isn't a spoiler, it's speculation.
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I'm thinking that Kirk didn't attend straight out of high school and perhaps didn't actually enlist until his early to mid 20's, long after his crew completed their course studies. He finishes high school, lacks focus or ambition, screws around for several years and then decides to enist after his encounter with Pike. Chekov, Uhura and the rest are all in Starfleet while Kirk is still slumming through classes. This would explain why Spock is less than thrilled with Pike assigning Kirk as first officer.
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You forget that Kirk served on other ships before the Enterprise. Just because he attended the graduation, doesnt mean that they all graduated at the same time.
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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
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Well, I'm certainly not about to spit on my computer screen out of rage. lol I think the thing that bothers me about it is that the saucer looks like it was taken from the TMP model and plunked on the new hull. The panels on the saucer are missing from hull, or at least very subdued when compared to the saucer section. It just doesn't look consistent. I don't even mind the new touches they gave the Enterprise, but it just looks unfinished.
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He posted one too many,
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They are completely different - do you understand what a refit means - replacing the entire secondary hull, neck, naccelles, etc - thats a new ship, not a refit :)
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The term "refit", used to describe what Scotty and his boys did from 2269-71, comes from his line with Kirk at the space station where he says, "We have just finished 18 months redesigning and refitting the Enterprise..."
Then later in the film Decker says to Kirk, "Admiral, this is an almost totally new Enterprise..."
So regardless of the Webster's definition of "refit", clearly Scotty and Decker are implying that this was more of a complete overhaul on an existing frame. This new design just makes that overhaul less major. :)
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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
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Less major? Now they would need to totally replace the neck and most of the primary hull, not just the nacelles and the hull plating...
No, this ship either ignores the original designs completely (which I neither believe nor hope) or is set in an alternate reality, built without the input of Kirk's father George, who was killed before his time onboard the Kelvin (which I believe)!
You can't tell me they didn't take the majority of the design ideas from Gabe's ship...
The interconnecting dorsal and warp pylons are practically exact, and the nacelles aren't too different either. The biggest differences are the secondary hull and the deflector dish.
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"Outer Space: The Last Frontier.
These are the trips of the Star Trek Enterprise. Its five year plan calls for us to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly fly where no man has gone in space. Live long, and be happy."
Patrick Stewart--SNL, Stardate 9402.05
The Enterprise in ST: TMP. The deflector is a bit too forward for my tastes but everything I've seen so far fits nicely with what we see in TMP and the five films that follow it. JJ no doubt took a big cue from the production design of those first 6 films and ran with it.
My guess is that TMP and all that follows will be untouched.
So now all that remains to be seen is if this movie will be a BATMAN BEGINS or a SUPERMAN RETURNS.
That is truly a magnificent design! Very, very well done! This looks like a perfect blend between the original model and a more "real" one! I am totally in awe.
I can't believe so many morons are trashing the design based on one small photo. I'd like to praise J J and his team for having the balls to come up with something so different and bold.
I remember back in '86 when I first saw the trailer to 'The Next Generation', and having been a massive fan of TOS, I thought "OMG what have they done to the Enterprise". It looked so radically different and unlike to what I had previously seen. Now I understand the fact that its set a century later and therefore called for such a different design. But the point is I got used to the design of the Enterprise D, as I'm sure I will get used to this new design, AND SO WILL MANY OF YOU!!
For those of you prepared not to like it, then so be it. Go anguish over it, have a stress attack, mourn the death of your Star Trek or some such melodromatic crap. But I'm prepared to give it a go, I am going to wait for more photo's and I am eagerly waiting to see some live footage of it in action.
As a side point, this design reminds me of an old TOS Star Trek colouring book I had back in the '70's, and I distinctly remember the artist didnt do a very good painting of the original Enterprise on the front cover. I definitely remember the saucer support pylon was further back along the secondary hull and the nacelle pylons were right at the back. THIS NEW ONE IS THE ONE FROM THAT COLOURING BOOK!!
YAY!! I knew someone would make that painting a reality one day. :-)
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I've never liked the TNG design. It's still easily my least favourite, even more than the NX-01 (which I actually dig) and the awful stretched-out looking ENT-J.
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It's like when the NX-01 made its first appearance in TV Guide in 2001, a lot of people freaked out and called it the Akira-prise.. just because it had the same nacelle/saucer arrangement when seen from above. That argument holds as much weight as saying that the Enterprise-C design was a rip off of the Enterprise-A... there are only so many ways to rearrange these starship parts people!
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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
I hate the secondary hull and nacelle pylons but the rest is fine.
I hate the secondary hull and nacelle pylons but the rest is fine.
Im inclined to agree with Uroboros.
But at the same time, we dont know what shape functionality will take in 200 years time.
Attempts to design a fucntional Enterprise based on current predictions about space constuction may not have been any more accurate.
By that time, nano-construction techniques may have made organic curves more feasable, and perhaps even desirable in a military/exploration context.
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Unfortunately most of the later generation Enterprise designs and some of the attempts to modernise TOS Enterprise don't take this route. Someone sat there and just changed things cause they looked "cool" like someone might design a car. A bulge there and fin here, etc. (not to knock anyone's else design but this one for the movie)But this is suppose to be a military vessel and not some 50s hot-rod.
Of course that's just my design philosophy. But TMP Enterprise is still the best Enterprise design. How difficult could it have been to create an Enterprise by working backwards from it. On one hand you can see that they tried to do that but as some point they succumb to the desire to make something that looked cool to them.
And damn that secondary hull actually looks like a deformed body part that hasn't grown to full size. Not elegant at all.
You wanna cracker?
Gorgeous.
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That big picture I love!!!
while i personally think gabe koerner's concept was fucking beautiful, the official design and gk's are essentially one in the same...the real one being a little sleeker.
i would like to see a bigger (obviously) better angled shot. can't tell were the nacelle pylons connect to the secondary hull. looks a little weird that they're so far back, but that's nitpicking and i'm sure it'll look better in a proper shot.
gk's:
It's more kitschy than the TOS design; more like from the 1950s sci-fi era.
Big-car designers of decades past did their best to avoid straight lines, and the teardrop shape was everywhere. Look at those big-guppy nacelles!
Works for me.
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It looks messed up, hope they can re-cgi it to look normal before the release next may!
still going to see it though...Shatner or no.
cant lie, im curious.
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"Stop, No!, Do not order me!"
"I choose where I want to go, what I want to do... I CHOOSE!"
*shrugs*
What's not to like?
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*doing my best panicky fanboy-idiot impersonation*
Isn't it obvious! It doesn't look like something out of a tv show from 40+ years ago. Head for the hills. The Star Trek Canon (a.k.a. The Bible of the Perpetually Unlaid) is destroyed. J.J. Lied to us all. Yada, yada, yada. Blah, blah. And so forth... *rolls eyes at those types of "fans"*
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*doing my best panicky fanboy-idiot impersonation*
Isn't it obvious! It doesn't look like something out of a tv show from 40+ years ago. Head for the hills. The Star Trek Canon (a.k.a. The Bible of the Perpetually Unlaid) is destroyed. J.J. Lied to us all. Yada, yada, yada. Blah, blah. And so forth... *rolls eyes at those types of "fans"*
Too bad all you can do is create strawmen. That's a technique you four have used for years now.
And you're the last person to talk about having a life, since you spend your Friday and Saturday nights posting on Trekweb.
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I've stayed quiet through this whole thing as we've seen more and more of this movie, and every picture has got me excited, but THIS?
What the HELL is that thing?
I knew it was going to look different. Infact, I hoped it would, with it being a reboot an all, but that is too different. That's not the Enterprise that I love. They've taken an icon and ruined it in my opinion.
I just wanna say, I'm not an over the top trekkie who's obsessed with canon. I love Star Trek and really REALLY wanted this movie to be great, and it might still be, but I'm VERY pissed off and feel let down as a fan with how the Enterprise looks.
As constructive criticism, the saucer looks awesome. Even the new nacelles, I could get used to, but the drive section.....omg! It looks like a really bad moulded toy.
Having said that, do we KNOW that this is the ACTUAL version? I hope this is an alternate version of some kind. Maybe it's a future Enterprise that future spock is on board? I have no idea..and I'm just getting ridiculous now so I'll stop.
Abrams said something like....
'This is the Enterprise. You've got to do it right, otherwise what are you doing?' - I agree with that, but also wonder if he's actually SEEN the new design before saying that!
Still, I'm going to see the movie and hope to enjoy it. This just makes it clear that Star Trek isn't all about canon stuff anymore. Canon bending doesn't bother me so much usually, but this is too far.
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I have been going over all the descriptions of scenes, the photos of the actors, the bridge photos, other such things. Everything looks great, and holds out so much promise, but that ship just throws everything off. Its an eye sore.
It just looks so terrible. All out of wack.
I mean they have gone through meticulous effort to make everything look nastalgic and familar. The characters, the uniforms, the story line. And then someone just went and dropped the ball on the ship.
Well, I'll give some consrutive criticism rather than giving a knee-jerk reaction. I like the saucer section, yet it looks a lot like the Ent. A.
The nacelles are a bit much I think, with those huge bulbous protrusions.
The thing I like least is the engenering section hull - looks like somebody cut the bottom off of it.
I'm might see the film - might not. But that's been my reaction ever since I heard about it. My trek ended in 2005.
Until anyone here can come up with their own design that would get approved by Paramount (who's decision it is), then please just let the damn movie happen!
Go see the movie and stop bitching and moaning about every little thing. Don't see it and there is $10 less that Paramount has to play with to make the next one, or not make another at all.
This movie keeps trek alive to progress in the future. Don't go, and this is where it ends and everyone who visits this site, and sites like this, get to bitch and moan about this movie, Nemesis, Insurrection, what could have been, what was, and everything else that will be rehashed in polls about "who was your favorite character standing to the left of Kirk in the first scene during the away missions of the first season of TOS on rainy days of months that don't end in a 'Y.'"
The ship will look a hell of a lot better flying through space and in battles I'm sure. I haven't read this much bitching since the republicans found out they were down in the polls.
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Go see the movie and stop bitching and moaning about every little thing. Don't see it and there is $10 less that Paramount has to play with to make the next one, or not make another at all.
This movie keeps trek alive to progress in the future. Don't go, and this is where it ends and everyone who visits this site, and sites like this, get to bitch and moan about this movie, Nemesis, Insurrection, what could have been, what was, and everything else that will be rehashed in polls about "who was your favorite character standing to the left of Kirk in the first scene during the away missions of the first season of TOS on rainy days of months that don't end in a 'Y.'"
The ship will look a hell of a lot better flying through space and in battles I'm sure. I haven't read this much bitching since the republicans found out they were down in the polls.
Hey there, JJ Abrams!
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The Paramount executive wouldn't know a good starship design if it fly up their arses at maximum warp.
And yes, yes yes, I could come up with a better design than this, and others have already come up with better ides than this. Unfortunately, these peoples design won't get approved by Paramount due to copyright laws.
And no I will not be seeing this movie, no thank you. I will not be giving my money to these hacks.
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Prove it.
This "fanboy" design is MUCH better than the USS Galaxy Quest we wound up with:
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It is a good design, and actually one of the better fan made ones out there. However, I would hardly call it better.
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Quick note, don’t hate on the Enterprise TV show or the NX ship, both were great!
Don’t hate on the new ship too much, the more you look at it the more it will grow on you.
As a 21 year Trek fan and an anal observer of Trek cannon, everything I have seen so far excites me. Cannon does not matter if it is going to inhibit my enjoyment of this movie. As long as this movie, is fun, exciting, and the meaning of Trek is alive then Cannon can be changed. Yea its fun to fallow the Trek cannon, “when did the ships start looking like that, when did Starfleet come into existence, or when did they eliminate the use of separate insignia each ship,” but the Trek cannon is not history, it’s a future we aspire to, something we want but is yet unwritten.
@ dark_mr_fripperton It does look like the phase II ship, and I totally agree with the 70’s feel.
With the descriptions of the visual details and special effect in this movie, I am salivating to see this.
The funny thing is, is that this ship has a 70’s retro feel much like 1701A. I know that most of you are like me and wish Star Trek made some movies or a TV series in the 70’s when Sci-fi hit that golden age. I love 70’s sci fi and I wish Star Trek were more a part of it. We did have a taste of that “70’s” style with the motion picture and some residue of the 70’s in the wrath of khan. Again the look of the ship, the bridge, and the mentions of these “white corridors” it seems like this 70’s retro feel with a modern twist. I am happy with everything I have seen.
Its funny most of you have a problem with the deflector dish, to me the nacelles were the first things that hit me, and I didn’t really like them. The deflector sticks out no farther then the original 1701 its just that fact that it is blue it seems like it should be sitting flush with the hull like Enterprise A, I think it looks fine. I like that they light it up blue rather then the gold dish. Back to the nacelles it was just that bottom looping of the structure (which are more then likely the burssard collectors) that I didn’t like. But it has grown on me the more I look at this new old ship.
Ill agree with many of you that Enterprise A design is still my favorite. Granted most people say oh Enterprise E because it is the most advance and it is sleek looking but the Enterprise A has remained timeless and I have never seen a ship that visually looks so proud, powerful, and solid.
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Aquirius, the last thing I want to do is give you verbal bashing across the internet. If anything my urges are to convince you to go and see it, hear me out. First off if you are talking about the movies, ok, Rick Berman did do a terrible job and I was most upset with Nemesis and Generations. First Contact was FANTASTIC. Killing Kirk in Generations was a bad move, I can’t even verbalize it, and they know it. He should have come back with Picard to the 24th century, enough said. As for the Enterprise series..I thought it was beyond fantastic, a not so familiar Star Trek that fit in perfect in every aspect for the 2151 era and the beginnings of Starfleet, bravo, I wish it had 7 seasons, I wanted to see the Romulan war and some more of…..well….ANYTHING to do with the birth of the Federation and those infamous Daedalus class ships we all know of but have never seen in action. OK, to the new movie. Sorry, but in JJ’s defense faithful might not mean to the cannon but to the fans and the true spirit of Star Trek which we all know is what really matters. I don’t have to tell you that Gene Roddenberry is smiling right now. It’s not about the ship it’s about the greater message that HAS to be conveyed or its no longer Star Trek. You know I am talking about empathy, kindness, accepting people for who they are, respect of all life, etc, the true good in our hearts and empathy is what Star Trek was always about, striving to change for the better.
Need I remind you of some quotes of Gene:
"I would be happy for Star Trek to come along decades later with a new group of minds. I'd love someone to say, 'Besides this one, Gene Roddenberry's was nothing!'" - Gene Roddenberry, Starburst magazine
"...I think it would be wonderful years from now to see Star Trek come back with an equally talented new cast playing Spock and Kirk and Bones and Scotty and all the rest, as they say tomorrow's things to tomorrow's generations..." - Gene Roddenberry
We all know Gene Roddenberry was a beautiful human-being with the hopes and dreams he had for humanity and his relentless kindness and tolerance towards all people and all cultures which he dreamt all humans would one day share. We all know that Gene’s dream is what we want to become reality, is the reason why we watch Star Trek, it is what MUST be kept alive, not the style of the ship. All secondary issues like the cool technology, awesome ships, and three breasted feline women are simply “sauce for the goose” it would not be Star Trek without it but is not essential to the message and the meaning of Star Trek. And trust me, I am anal when it comes to Trek cannon as I see it as a future I want to exist, all us Trek fans do, we all want it written in stone. I can quote lines from TV episodes at the drop of a hat. Ask me when the Romulan war took place or when the Enterprise C was commissioned and I can give you dates. I really did want to see the old 60’s ship in all its HD glory with today’s technology. Especially with the descriptions they give about the movie and how flying by the Enterprise you can see the panels of the outer hull.
I strongly urge you to reconsider. I am only 25 but have been a Trek fan since I was four years old as TNG had just began its first season and I watched equal amounts of TOS reruns, not to mention the movies. As a youth and teen I had the privilege of Voyager, DS9, Enterprise, and some more movies. I don’t know how long you have been a fan for but we both feel the same in our hearts when we watch Star Trek.
I remember seeing the first spy photos of people on set in black uniforms with military type hats thinking..that does not look very Starfleet, it looks military, but I let it slide, time travel, parallel universe, as you said, and easy explanation. Then we all saw the bridge and I was thinking, WOW they really changed it, but it looks good, it has a 70’s feel and I love 1970’s Sci-fi. Even though I was not born yet, I would have loved if today I could watch a Star Trek TV series made in the 70’s. Phase II should have been happened. We saw the new uniforms and they look great. And today, today we have a glimpse of the ship and at first I didn’t like it, mainly those bulky nacelles but I am human we all are, and we can adapt. The nacelles have grown on me, as I said I am a 70’s sci-fi junkie and this fits into that.
Ill admit I have my shortcomings as well. Being a huge Trek geek, I was using the cannon to look for a way for this story, this ship to fit in. Could this be one of the refits, time travel = alternate universe, and in the end I realized I was trying to make this fit into the cannon so I could have peace, lol, and forgot that I wanted to see this movie no matter what it looks like or what has changed…why? Because it is Star Trek, it is Gene’s dream expanded. Just as every story changes with the person who tells it, the story teller is always aware and respectful of the true spirit, its essence and beginning that can never be butchered or cannibalized because its is a story of true good, of empathy and compassion.
When Gene passed in 1991 most people thought Star Trek might be over with TNG, Star Trek’s father is gone. But there were enough good people who knew Gene’s vision inside and out and Star Trek continued staying true to the formula. DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, and 5 movies were made without Gene, but watching them.. it felt like he was a part of it. And now Star Trek XI! Gene would be very happy!
Again I urge you to go see the movie, give it a chance. This movie is supposed to expand the Star Trek audience…a good thing. Star Trek speaks about the truth of good, what could be nobler then that. I would hate to see a humans dream as noble as like Star Trek lose a fan because of the appearance of a ship! Put your skepticism and cynicism aside and have faith, I mean that is what Star Trek is about, right?
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I appreciate your comments.
I like the idea of Enterprise too, the writing was just poor, and season three was way too cheesy and pandering.
And you are right, its about the ideals and the story that matters, and from what I have read it is really good in that area.
But the look is as much a part of the universe as the ideal, I think. I just dont now, I've got a life, and I dont go to a movie unless I feel certain is is going to be good. which is less and less these days. I don't know, I might just buy a boot leg and then if its any good I'll pay to go see it.
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The look is different for a reason! This is what this movie is about. A fresh new start. Why would they produce a 150 million blockbuster movie as a TV pilot for 45 year old TV show everybody has seen gazillion of times and own it on DVD at least twice?
This is about RESTARTING everything in a slightly altered timeline...It isn't the first mission of TOS, it's the first mission Trek 2009...or whatever you want to call it...
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If its such a restart, then why did they go to the trouble to make the actors look like the original actors, why so much meticulous attention to the uniforms, and their color and look. Why the advertising promotion and the interviews that hinted at having a close adherence to its origins. Then to suddenly jettison all that and go in a different direction.
BEFORE I MAKE MY POST NEED I REMIND YOU ALL OF SOME QUOTES OF GENE RODDENBERRY’S. IF GENE WOULD NOT HAVE PROBLEM WITH THIS MOVIE OR THE SHIP THAN NEITHER SHOULD YOU!
"I would be happy for Star Trek to come along decades later with a new group of minds. I'd love someone to say, 'Besides this one, Gene Roddenberry's was nothing!'" - Gene Roddenberry, Starburst magazine
"...I think it would be wonderful years from now to see Star Trek come back with an equally talented new cast playing Spock and Kirk and Bones and Scotty and all the rest, as they say tomorrow's things to tomorrow's generations..." - Gene Roddenberry
WE ALL KNOW IT IS THE SPIRIT OF STAR TREK THAT MAKES IT STAR TREK, NOT THE ADHERENCE TO CANNON!
No one is talking about the most important aspect of this new Enterprise - the weapons systems. Looks like the torpedo launcher is right where it should be. & are those black squares on the under side of the saucer, phaser banks??
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Those are definitely phaser banks. Maybe thrusters on the edge of the saucer, too.
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Seriously, the damned thing looks like a PLOW! Just tie it to a horse and start turning the soil for the next year's crop!
Sadly, this is the first thing I've seen from the new film where I'm giving a big thumbs down. It's the same complaint I've had about any of the fan boy Enterprises: it has NO CLASS. The E should be sexy, bold, beautiful...CLASSY. This thing- I don't know what they were thinking. Did they take a queue from Galaxy Quest???
I like the design overall, especially how the secondary hull is cradled into the nacelle sled (my phrase, for lack of a better description) - at least that's the way it looks from the angle we have for now.
Since they've gone ahead and made the bad choice of having the Enterprise be assembled by old fasioned welding and rivets, I though it would be cool if in these new movies, whenever they jump to warp, some of those plates could come loose and fly off, like the tiles on the space shuttle. It would add realism and could be used as major or minor plot points in future films. Perhaps Scotty could say ".5 of hull plating lost on warp, Captain."
Just a thought, might be a cool idea.
still any room in back for the shuttlebay????
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Ha. Just kidding. I guess my fan series is just going to have to saave Star Trek if this fails. Yeah, like that's really going to happen. My fan series is not going to take over, I mean. It's animated Playmates figures!
this ship does look like a Transformer though. Actually upon reviewing the comments and looking it over, it probably is a prototype. The ship is going to be refit by Pike's final mission to Talos and then it will look like the 60's ship. The saucer section is pretty cool, envoking the movies, which would be an odd throwback. It's the Star Trek Phase 2 ship really.
Did Abrams actually watch any of the original series?
I'm not so conccerned with the ship. I'm concerned that they have Sulu too old. Is he Sulu's Dad? Uhura is too old too. Checkov would be 10 years old!
That kind of stuff kind of should be explained somewhere. Is the Checkov here in fact classic Chekov's uncle?
Maybe the Nerro timeline has totally baked even the design people at Starfleet?
that said, the original ship did look like a pair of lit cigarettes on a saucer and one of those old fancy wine glasses.
I'm still going to see it! I'm still going to like it! Trekkies forever!
anyone notice except for an "NCC" on the nacelle, there aren't any markings on the hull.....
maybe covered up by the shuttle...but I don't see anything...
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There appears to be an "NCC-1701" on the bottom of the secondary hull, directly behind the navigational deflector.
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Need I say more?
I used to think the Enterprise-B, -C and NX were lousy designs, but good grief. They turned a shoehorn into the new Enterprise.
This, plus those questionable scenes screened in London, are REALLY starting to make me nervous... and I was all for this from the start.
My enthusiasm is starting to curdle.
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This, plus those questionable scenes screened in London, are REALLY starting to make me nervous... and I was all for this from the start.
That's a natural reaction: taking a journey into the unknown.
I expected there to be much more tampering with the look. It looks fine. Now my big question is "What does it sound like when it goes to warp?"
Seriously, folks, you might be disappointed, but the "rape" comments need to stop. That's a horrible analogy, as anyone who's ever been raped will tell you. It's just a movie, and the vitriol and anger the ship's design is receiving is WAY too melodramatic. Abrams has not raped you or Star Trek. That's like saying Joel Schumacher committed another Nazi Holocaust when he made the Batman films. It's an absurd over-dramatization, and it cheapens the horror actual rape or Holocaust survivors have had to face. Find another analogy, please, because it says more about you than it does about Abrams or the film.
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Seriously, folks, you might be disappointed, but the "rape" comments need to stop. That's a horrible analogy, as anyone who's ever been raped will tell you. It's just a movie, and the vitriol and anger the ship's design is receiving is WAY too melodramatic. Abrams has not raped you or Star Trek. That's like saying Joel Schumacher committed another Nazi Holocaust when he made the Batman films. It's an absurd over-dramatization, and it cheapens the horror actual rape or Holocaust survivors have had to face. Find another analogy, please, because it says more about you than it does about Abrams or the film.
The blame belongs to Star Wars fans who created the cliche in their reactions to The Phantom Menace. They were the ones who made it cool to claim "(Something I don't like) raped (Something I liked)." I don't like it either but you can't say anything to change the ways of some SF fans. I was all but drummed out of another fan board when I objected to Firefly fans being called Browncoats because the term was too close to Brownshirts (and the fact I had to explain what Brownshirts meant was really worrying).
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Very well, not rape.
But Joel Schumacher did commit some kind of non-consentual devient sexual act with the Batman franchise, with all the rubber nipple suits and bat butt cheeks, and all.
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Well, you have to remember, the hardcore fanboys who are whining about this type of stuff are the kind of Trekkies who never have (and likely never will) known the touch of a woman. Therefore it's no surprise given their lack of sexual experience that they would use the term "rape" in a manner which is incorrect as well as grossly inappropriate. ;-)
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Bravo.
Those comments are also so out of whack with the picture above. I have a couple of concerns with the design myself, but there's a lot to like here. As I look at it more and more, I'm surpised not with how different it is but at how familiar it seems. Yet provocative.
I still think there's a chance the front part of the neck moves forward and locks into place further up the secondary hull. That would solve my biggest concern. It seems to sit back too far. But maybe I'm projecting. This is probably just the way it looks.
But will see the movie anyway....once, at the first showing, at least, maybe more.
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The ship in the picture looks nice,Very nice.
But it is not the Enterprise.
Nuff said
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The ship n the picture looks nice,Very nice.
But it is not the Enterprise.
Nuff said
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Awful, just bloody awful.
Something's up here. I think maybe the dish retracts into the secondary hull, and the "neck" looks like it could move forward to a more traditional place. That would be awesome, if inexplicable, and would solve my only real gripe with the design (as of this pic).
The new Enterprise design confirms what I have been saying all along. We are now seeing a TOS-era that is far more realistically a predecessor to the The Motion Picture and succeeding films. The saucer of this ship is nearly identical to the refit. Even the lit-up deflector dish looks like the refit's, sans the "housing" that goes around it. Essentially, it is far more believable now that Scotty and his army of engineers could have refit THIS ship to look like what we saw in The Motion Picture in only 18 months -- rather than the original design below. It will take some getting used to for some, but it is definately Star Trek.
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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
No, no no. I do not accept this as the Enterprise. Especially not the Enterprise that is intended to represent the one from the Original Series that is suppose to care our beloved crew on their first mission together. Why are you people will to turn a blind eye to what JJ Abrams is doing to Star Trek? As if Rick Berman hadn't done enough with piss poor writing. Now JJ is tampering with the classic.
Look I know its the story that matters most, and from what i hear the story really is great. But the Enterprise is the 8th member of the cast in Star Trek. They have been faithful to the actors but they are raping the Enterprise herself.
I simply do not accept this as the Enterprise. I could see if this was another ship like the Exeter, or the Lincoln or what have you, but this is not the Enterprise, that I grew up with, it is not the Enterprise I know and love. It is not the Enterprise that was promised in JJ Abrams early press releases. Or has everyone forgotten what he promised. That he would not tamper with the exterior of the ship. All the teasers and early advertisements played up the sense of nostalga for the 1960's show. The remastered edition even built up that feeling too. I have been in anticipation of finally seeing the old girl in all her glory up on the big screen for the first time (not including the refit version). But just like with Nemesis, that promised a story that featured the Romulans, instead we got the Reman, with the Romulan's playing second fiddle.
Look I remember, I remember quite well. I remember what the real Enterprise is suppose to look like, I remember the debarkle of Insurrection and Nemesis. JJ Abram insured the fans that he did his best to be faithful, but this isnt faithful. He said that they did the best they could not to alienate the die-hard fans. This representation looks like they didnt even try nor give the die-hards a second thought.
Look, you people can accept this celluloid hoax if you want. But I will not. I have decided not to see this movie now. Its a shame cus I supported this effort, and was excited, but not anymore. I overlooked my misgivings about the look of the bridge, and the fact that is another time travel story with the optional reset button. But this is too ridiculous, They changes things just for the sake of changing them, that is all. This a federation ship no doubt, but its not the Enterprise. Why why, change something that isnt broken. Concentrate on the things that need to be worked on, like quality of writing, characterization, and continuity. I agree with updating the technology to look futuristic, cus the 1960's show is outdated, that needs to be fixed. I can agree with updating the technology to look more Minority Report with holographic terminal interface. But why change the decor? Asthetic don't have anything to do with the decor. So keep the black and red trim decor. And keep the Enterprise looking like the grand old dignified girl that she is.
This is needless change for the sake of change. If that part ain't broke, then don't fix that part. Bottomline, I will not accept this as Star Trek, and specifically the first mission of the orginal series.
Screw JJ Abrams, this has proven him to be a liar. And Screw anyone who wanted to flame me for my comments.
This is such BS. I can believe they did this. And I was so anxiously anticipating this film too.
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Calm down! Relax and enjoy the ride! Our good ol' Enterprise is still around in a different original timeline you can always revisit on DVD.
This is not THE Enterprise from TOS but a new version of it from an alternate timeline created by Nero's tampering with time. So you don't have to accept this as THE Enterprise, it's a different version of the ship...
Take a deep breath and enjoy the movie...
This is NOT the first mission from the original series! It is not the lost pilot episode of a 45 year old low-budget TV show!
JJ promised to HONOR canon, not to produce a movie fitting into it! He'll honor canon by placing this movie in an altered timeline so that the old fans can still hold on to the old chronology while new fans can get into the new one! It's freakin' retcon, not a prequel to TOS! Done before numerous times in comic books...
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Aquirius, the last thing I want to do is give you verbal bashing across the internet. If anything my urges are to convince you to go and see it, hear me out. First off if you are talking about the movies, ok, Rick Berman did do a terrible job and I was most upset with Nemesis and Generations. First Contact was FANTASTIC. Killing Kirk in Generations was a bad move, I can’t even verbalize it, and they know it. He should have come back with Picard to the 24th century, enough said. As for the Enterprise series..I thought it was beyond fantastic, a not so familiar Star Trek that fit in perfect in every aspect for the 2151 era and the beginnings of Starfleet, bravo, I wish it had 7 seasons, I wanted to see the Romulan war and some more of…..well….ANYTHING to do with the birth of the Federation and those infamous Daedalus class ships we all know of but have never seen in action. OK, to the new movie. Sorry, but in JJ’s defense faithful might not mean to the cannon but to the fans and the true spirit of Star Trek which we all know is what really matters. I don’t have to tell you that Gene Roddenberry is smiling right now. It’s not about the ship it’s about the greater message that HAS to be conveyed or its no longer Star Trek. You know I am talking about empathy, kindness, accepting people for who they are, respect of all life, etc, the true good in our hearts and empathy is what Star Trek was always about, striving to change for the better.
Need I remind you of some quotes of Gene:
"I would be happy for Star Trek to come along decades later with a new group of minds. I'd love someone to say, 'Besides this one, Gene Roddenberry's was nothing!'" - Gene Roddenberry, Starburst magazine
"...I think it would be wonderful years from now to see Star Trek come back with an equally talented new cast playing Spock and Kirk and Bones and Scotty and all the rest, as they say tomorrow's things to tomorrow's generations..." - Gene Roddenberry
We all know Gene Roddenberry was a beautiful human-being with the hopes and dreams he had for humanity and his relentless kindness and tolerance towards all people and all cultures which he dreamt all humans would one day share. We all know that Gene’s dream is what we want to become reality, is the reason why we watch Star Trek, it is what MUST be kept alive, not the style of the ship. All secondary issues like the cool technology, awesome ships, and three breasted feline women are simply “sauce for the goose” it would not be Star Trek without it but is not essential to the message and the meaning of Star Trek. And trust me, I am anal when it comes to Trek cannon as I see it as a future I want to exist, all us Trek fans do, we all want it written in stone. I can quote lines from TV episodes at the drop of a hat. Ask me when the Romulan war took place or when the Enterprise C was commissioned and I can give you dates. I really did want to see the old 60’s ship in all its HD glory with today’s technology. Especially with the descriptions they give about the movie and how flying by the Enterprise you can see the panels of the outer hull.
I strongly urge you to reconsider. I am only 25 but have been a Trek fan since I was four years old as TNG had just began its first season and I watched equal amounts of TOS reruns, not to mention the movies. As a youth and teen I had the privilege of Voyager, DS9, Enterprise, and some more movies. I don’t know how long you have been a fan for but we both feel the same in our hearts when we watch Star Trek.
I remember seeing the first spy photos of people on set in black uniforms with military type hats thinking..that does not look very Starfleet, it looks military, but I let it slide, time travel, parallel universe, as you said, and easy explanation. Then we all saw the bridge and I was thinking, WOW they really changed it, but it looks good, it has a 70’s feel and I love 1970’s Sci-fi. Even though I was not born yet, I would have loved if today I could watch a Star Trek TV series made in the 70’s. Phase II should have been happened. We saw the new uniforms and they look great. And today, today we have a glimpse of the ship and at first I didn’t like it, mainly those bulky nacelles but I am human we all are, and we can adapt. The nacelles have grown on me, as I said I am a 70’s sci-fi junkie and this fits into that.
Ill admit I have my shortcomings as well. Being a huge Trek geek, I was using the cannon to look for a way for this story, this ship to fit in. Could this be one of the refits, time travel = alternate universe, and in the end I realized I was trying to make this fit into the cannon so I could have peace, lol, and forgot that I wanted to see this movie no matter what it looks like or what has changed…why? Because it is Star Trek, it is Gene’s dream expanded. Just as every story changes with the person who tells it, the story teller is always aware and respectful of the true spirit, its essence and beginning that can never be butchered or cannibalized because its is a story of true good, of empathy and compassion.
When Gene passed in 1991 most people thought Star Trek might be over with TNG, Star Trek’s father is gone. But there were enough good people who knew Gene’s vision inside and out and Star Trek continued staying true to the formula. DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, and 5 movies were made without Gene, but watching them.. it felt like he was a part of it. And now Star Trek XI! Gene would be very happy!
Again I urge you to go see the movie, give it a chance. This movie is supposed to expand the Star Trek audience…a good thing. Star Trek speaks about the truth of good, what could be nobler then that. I would hate to see a humans dream as noble as like Star Trek loose a fan because of the appearance of a model ship! Put your skepticism and cynicism aside and have faith, I mean that is what Star Trek is about, right?
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Melodramatic much?
I swear, this movie is causing me to really hate some Star Trek fans out there. Getting all pissy because the $100+ million dollar big budget summer blockbuster movie version of Star Trek doesn't look like a tv show from over 40 years ago. Something tells me these are the same idiots who were going apeshit about the flames on Optimus Prime, or that Bumblebee wasn't a Volkswagon in the Transformers movie.
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I loved Transformers. Those changes to Opimus and Bublebee were minor. Well, maybe Bubblebee was different, but neccessary. But this is alot different from the Enterprise we know, or one we could accept. Remember the hoax Enterprise that was circulating around some months ago. People were ranting about that Enterprise too, but that design was more faithful to the original than this thing. And I accepted that reformed design that came out, if it had been real, but not this one.
I am dramatic because I have been anticipating a Trek movie that would live up to the legacy of Star Trek, but I am just going to have to wait longer for that day. And at my age, they day may never come at all, oh well.
Call me old, inflexible and stubborn, maybe I am, but I am not going to accept this ship as the Enterprise. I'll go back to watching my old (not the remastered versions) original series episodes to feel better.
P.S. I did enjoy the remastered versions.
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I think you've forgotten what JJ "promised". He promised to remain faithful in broad strokes to the Star Trek universe we know and love. He NEVER said we'd be looking at the same ship they used in 1966. If you thought that was the case you're pretty naive. I have a couple of issues with this design based on this pic, but it certainly isn't a betrayal on JJ's part! You're simply taking your dissapointment too far. Calm down. It might grow on you.
And I say again, it's always dangerous to make blanket statements about asthetics from a still photo.
Those nacelles really remind me of the hand phaser from Enterprise...
If there had been no TOS, it would make sense as something between Enterprise and TMP ... but given the time travel aspect and how many times the timeline has been altered/rewritten I suppose change can be justified even from the hardcore canonical POV.
For my money, neither Enterprise nor Star Trek XI are the exact past of the TOS we're familiar with, but rather a new timeline spurred by the time travel events of First Contact, temporal cold war, this new Romulan dude, etc. etc.
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But of course it is! What else should it be? That's why they are using Nero in the first place! They need to explain those differences...it*s not just the ship, the bridge etc...it's Kirk's character, the way the crew is coming together...EVERYTHING has been altered due to Nero burning time and Vulcan...
I could almost see this design being used in Star Trek: Phase II if they had made that series
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to trekdork --- now THATS what i'm talking about...sweet!!!! well done.
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I wasn't sure what to think when I first looked at it, but I have to say I'm liking more and more every time I look at the picture. Can't wait to see this big-E in action.
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"Oh relax, Cupcake. It was a joke."- James T. Kirk
I can't say I am in love with it. While the front half looks great, the back of the secondary hull and the nacelles look way out of proportion. I don't mind updating the 60's designs but I think they went a little too far with this one. This version is going to take some getting use to.
It'll do - it's updated but recalls the old. But I think Gabe did it better with his design. This looks a bit awkward for some reason. I really don't see a reason if you're going to go so "close" to the original designs to jut the deflector dish that much farther forward. Why?
But, it'll do. I'm guessing that's not the reaction they wanted from Trekkers. Or maybe it is. The polarized "its an abomination!" responses are probably what they figure they'll get so the ones that are indifferent to it are a blessing.
THATS gonna take some getting used to..fine except i think the hull sections too small..and i dont like how far forward the dish is.. seems odd that they would change that whilst keeping everything else in tradition..
To me this was the ultimate test - the E's outer design..i can accept anything to do with the rest but the look of the E ,,,i'm not totally sold on this yet..need to see more!!!
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" laffa while you can ,,, monkey-boy!"
... John, you finally got your reversed nacelle arms! Unlike Mr Berman, I don't think they looked like turkey legs on that E sketch.
Beautiful design. I love how Abrams finally let you play with the proportions to come up with something exciting.
Job well done!
"It was the first time I had ever seen that level of attention, that love of detail, given to the tangible, practical reality of the ship."
umm... cf Star Treks 1-6.
Looks cool. Like a mid-way between the TOS ship and the TMP refit.
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It's a rip-off. / We're stepped on, and cheated! / We're flat, stone-cold lied to / But we're not defeated / No!
Halen. "The Dream is Over."
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In the quote within the original article, Abrams was referring to watching the Enterprise re-fits big reveal in The Motion Picture. How it's quoted here makes it sound like he's talking about this Enterprise.
I too like the look. Some here are complaining about the protruding deflector dish, but that is very in keeping with the Original design. The saucer looks like it was lifted straight off the Motion Picture Enterprise.
The nacelles and rear section of the primary hull look like where the most modification was done. I think it kind of sweeps back now with the larger nacelles narrowing to a point and the neck of the ship extending farther back. It'll be interesting to see in motion but I predict it will appear more sleek and speedy in flight. Not a bad idea if you want to up the action elements.
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"What we leave behind is not as important as how we've lived."
~Picard
Well I don't love it, but I guess I can live with it.
Gustavo
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I've stayed quiet through this whole thing as we've seen more and more of this movie, and every picture has got me excited, but THIS?
What the HELL is that thing?
I knew it was going to look different. Infact, I hoped it would, with it being a reboot an all, but that is too different. That's not the Enterprise that I love. They've taken an icon and ruined it.
I just wanna say, I'm not an over the top trekkie who's obsessed with canon. I love Star Trek and really REALLY wanted this movie to be great, and it might still be, but I'm VERY pissed off and feel let down as a fan with how the Enterprise looks.
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'We've got so far to go!'
I really like the overall look of The New Big E. The only thing I think is lacking would be the deflector dish. I really like the nacelles and I can't wait to see them lit up.
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"Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die"
American Proverb
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I think they were trying to combine the old fashioned 'radar dish' look with the recessed TMP style.
I also just noticed it looks like it has standard phaser banks and "1701" on the bottom by the dish. I assume the torpedo tubes are in the connecting dorsal.
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"Outer Space: The Last Frontier.
These are the trips of the Star Trek Enterprise. Its five year plan calls for us to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly fly where no man has gone in space. Live long, and be happy."
Patrick Stewart--SNL, Stardate 9402.05
Hm. I definitely don't mind that they played with the design but I think they made some odd aesthetic choices. The deflector section sticks out way too far. It's just a little striking to see how different it is from any other enterprise we've seen. I'd have expected something more like the Ent-A. I won't be rushing out to build this model, I still think the Ent-A is the best looking ship they ever made.
Absolutely. That bothered me as well at first. I never really liked the NCC-1701-C.
But it doesn't really matter since it is an alternate timeline...no way this ship could be refitted into the original version.
Nobody has to give it a chance. Those 10,000 canonite crybabies won't matter anyway if this movie manages to attract another 5 million fans! It's like complaining about Bumblebee's new car design. It doesn't matter with a blockbuster movie!
The drive section could be just a bit longer. Otherwise, it IS very faithful to the original.
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"We've been attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of our culture." ---Pastor Ray Mummert speaking of those who favor Darwinian Evolution over Intelligent Design.
"If this is your God, he's not very impressive. He has so many psychological problems; he's so insecure. He demands worship every seven days. He goes out and creates faulty Humans and then blames them for his own mistakes. He's a pretty poor excuse for a Supreme Being." ---Gene Roddenberry
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The Nacelles are driving me nuts. It looks like they tried to introduce a "hot rod" feel to it. I've gotta say this is the first news about the new movie that's actually left me thinking wtf?
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"The idea of doing an impression of William Shatner… it would have no shot at succeeding. The character is Jim Kirk, not William Shatner." - Chris Pine
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The only thing I'm not thrilled about is that it seems there's too much carved out of the engineering section. You know, like there's not enough room on the ship! I think I actually like Gabe's better, but I like this one well enough.
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"Outer Space: The Last Frontier.
These are the trips of the Star Trek Enterprise. Its five year plan calls for us to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly fly where no man has gone in space. Live long, and be happy."
Patrick Stewart--SNL, Stardate 9402.05
I don't see where he's saying its faithful? I mean, I see the resemblence, but its just a little too fantastical. I'm sure it will serve, but I'll reserve final judgement for when I see it in motion. The TMP refit version clearly remains my favorite version of any Enterprise.
... at least it looks like they tried to keep some clean lines and not go overboard with unnecessary surface texture like they did with Voyager and 1701-E
I have now given up any hope of this movie resembling Star Trek.
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Ummmm....it's remarkably similar to TOS. Very little has been changed all things considered.
Let me guess, TOS Remastered is an abomination, too.
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"We've been attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of our culture." ---Pastor Ray Mummert speaking of those who favor Darwinian Evolution over Intelligent Design.
"If this is your God, he's not very impressive. He has so many psychological problems; he's so insecure. He demands worship every seven days. He goes out and creates faulty Humans and then blames them for his own mistakes. He's a pretty poor excuse for a Supreme Being." ---Gene Roddenberry
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I have now given up any hope of this movie resembling Star Trek.
Give this movie a chance...don't be so quick to judge it. It is a reboot, a retelling of the original story, so things will be different. Just give it a chance. Some fans are really uptight about it too, about this film ruining Star Trek. Just give it a chance.
.... it's HUGE!
Overall, I am impressed.
Looks modern yet retro. I do however dislike how far forward the deflector dish protrudes from the secondary hull.
But I will say I have seen better designs of a mixed TOS and TMP Enterprise. I guess more viewpoints are needed to make a final judgment.
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They didn't screw with it too much. Looks great.
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Well, it is very pretty. In a perfect situation, The Enterprise would get all busted up and half destroyed towards the end of this movie being left to be refitted into the "pilot" ship. I guess you would have to explain how later tech is more "simplistic" in design than all this curvy sexiness....
Unless they truly are going to poop on everything after this movie takes place....
I think its cool, but it looks like all your father's Star Trek will be re-written.
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