That One | Report this post to moderator
By: c.p. (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:27:39 on Oct 23, 2008 | (1)

The fulcrum of the new movie's plot is Number One.

I said it. That's my guess.

As casting rumors leaked last year and one by one we found out in which characters those actresses landed, the game of musical chairs left one woman glaringly without a chair: Pike's Number One.

Or did it? Majel Barrett played two characters in Trek Lore. Number One was one of them. Might there be some weird parallel to this accident of casting and fate in the new movie? If there is, would it be too clever by half? Or would it be a coup of gasp-producing proportions?

I ask because of the coy answers in response to the question of Number One from the writers and now from Greenwood. This is a simple thing to answer isn't it? You don't have to give anything away by acknowledging her existence do you? In fact, dotting all the "i's" they have while forgetting to dot that one is utterly voluntary on its face.

EW's report that the opening scene involving the Kelvin will leave fans crying, "Heresy!", makes me think we're in for a real mindfuck of a roller coaster ride. And unlike some of the earlier pessimistic fervor around here that they would blow up the Trek universe out of ignorance, in the end they may do it out of acute insight. "It's about questioning what we know," they answered in the EW article.

In the end, if I had to guess, I think canon will technically allow for whatever they have in store for us. But it will defiantly challenge conventional assumptions-at least regarding some of these early characters who's stories remain cloudy even for the most well read, well watched fan.

And frankly, that's what Star Trek needs. A shake-up cruise.

Reply

Quote

• RE: That One | Report this post to moderator
  By: rassmguy (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:21:38 on Oct 23, 2008

  "As casting rumors leaked last year and one by one we found out in which characters those actresses landed, the game of musical chairs left one woman glaringly without a chair: Pike's Number One."
  
  Just one of several, actually--we also haven't heard anything about Janice Rand or Christine Chapel, who are more important to the five-year-mission than Number One.
  
  --------
  
  Rich Handley
  Author, Timeline of the Planet of the Apes: The Definitive Chronology
  Available now from Hasslein Books
  www.hassleinbooks.com
  

  
  

  Reply

  Quote

  • RE: That One | Report this post to moderator
    By: c.p. (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:10:48 on Oct 23, 2008 | (1)

    Quote:
    we also haven't heard anything about Janice Rand or Christine Chapel, who are more important to the five-year-mission than Number One.
    
    That's true. But this movie isn't about the 5 year mission. It's about the prologue to that famous mission. Chapel and Rand need not be involved whereas Pike's Number One would seem to be necessary to any proto-5 year mission story. Particularly one involving Pike!

    
    

    Reply

    Quote

    • RE: That One | Report this post to moderator
      By: DixonHill (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:14:00 on Oct 25, 2008

      Number One is not significant enough. She may be of nostalgic importance for several reasons (because she was played by Majel Barret or because she represents the origin of Riker's infamous nick name) apart from that, she could be nothing more but a 23rd century Commander Shelby ("Best of Both Worlds") who has only been present around the events of "The Cage".

      
      

      Reply

      Quote

      • RE: That One | Report this post to moderator
        By: c.p. (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:31:11 on Oct 25, 2008

        "may be." "could be." She's whatever the writers want her to be. The character is an empty canvas because we've not really ventured to this time in the mythos. She can occupy as much or as little importance as the writers wish. I just think their answers are less dismissive of her importance, and way more coy about what sort of role she will play in the story.

        
        

        Reply

        Quote

Hmmm ... | Report this post to moderator
By: sb2004 (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:59:52 on Oct 23, 2008

Hmmm ... I wonder if Greenwood's response means we might see Number One in the film? I wonder who'll play her? Majel Barrett's free. :eek:

Al

Reply

Quote

When and where Kirk met Captain Pike ? | Report this post to moderator
By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 17:38:59 on Oct 23, 2008

In "The Menagerie", Kirk explains he first met Pike when Pike was promoted to fleet captain. But according to Greenwood, it appears Pike met Jim Kirk while Kirk was still a cadet on board the Enterprise. Another retcon in this new timeline ?

Gustavo

--------

TrekWeb.com Supervising Editor

gl2000@uol.com.br

Reply

Quote

• Another Retcon | Report this post to moderator
  By: Jean-Luc (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:22:18 on Oct 24, 2008

  Commodore Mendez had said to Kirk that Pike was "about your age" so I think that'll certainly change. That line never made much sense to me anyway.
  
  --------
  
  "Outer Space: The Last Frontier.
  These are the trips of the Star Trek Enterprise. Its five year plan calls for us to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly fly where no man has gone in space. Live long, and be happy."
  
  Patrick Stewart--SNL, Stardate 9402.05

  
  

  Reply

  Quote

• RE: When and where Kirk met Captain Pike ? | Report this post to moderator
  By: DixonHill (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:12:41 on Oct 24, 2008

  For sure this is part of the new timeline. I guess I know now why they decided to call the villain NERO! The historical Nero is famous for burning Rome. He did that to make space for new gigantic buildings, for an updated version of classic Roman architecture. It was still the city of Rome after Nero but not your father's Rome but a new and improved, up-to-date version of Rome...
  
  Now, this Romulan Nero guy basically does the same within the Trek universe. He figuratively "burns" the timeline, leaving space for new and improved designs and creative freedom. Maybe that's what the writers want to tell us by calling him Nero...

  
  

  Reply

  Quote

• RE: When and where Kirk met Captain Pike ? | Report this post to moderator
  By: OV-101 (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:17:59 on Oct 24, 2008

  Kirk did say that. On the other hand, for some reason, I always found Kirk's line at that moment a little mysterious. Because Kirk almost mumbles Commodore Mendez's answer to the question of whether he ever met Pike. Did you ever notice Kirk's mumbling reply? I just thought it was weird, slightly evasive response, even before this discussion. Also, he quickly diverts the focus to Spock explaining how he served with him. Was Kirk hiding something? Certainly not the intent but I can play along and say he did. Just a thought......
  
  
  
  --------
  
  "Life's tough. It's tougher if you're stupid."
  -- John Wayne
  
  "Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence."
  --Dr. Leonard McCoy
  
  "I'm a politician, which means I am a cheat and a liar, and when I am not kissing babies I am stealing their lollipops."
  -- Jeffrey Pelt, The Hunt for Red October
  
  "Liberals, Intellectuals, Peacemongers, IDIOTS!!!!"
  - General Decker, Mars Attacks
  
  "It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires, both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."
  - Q from Q Who

  
  

  Reply

  Quote

  • RE: | Report this post to moderator
    By: rassmguy (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:24:14 on Oct 24, 2008

    "Kirk did say that. On the other hand, for some reason, I always found Kirk's line at that moment a little mysterious. Because Kirk almost mumbles Commodore Mendez's answer to the question of whether he ever met Pike. Did you ever notice Kirk's mumbling reply?"
    
    I think that's more an indication of William Shatner's inability to properly deliver a line than it is anything else.
    
    
    --------
    
    Rich Handley
    Author, Timeline of the Planet of the Apes: The Definitive Chronology
    Available now from Hasslein Books
    www.hassleinbooks.com
    

    
    

    Reply

    Quote

    • RE: | Report this post to moderator
      By: OV-101 (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:36:54 on Oct 24, 2008

      Quote:
      "Kirk did say that. On the other hand, for some reason, I always found Kirk's line at that moment a little mysterious. Because Kirk almost mumbles Commodore Mendez's answer to the question of whether he ever met Pike. Did you ever notice Kirk's mumbling reply?"
      
      I think that's more an indication of William Shatner's inability to properly deliver a line than it is anything else.
      
      
      I am sure you are absolutely correct. Still, it is on film and I just wanted to throw that out as one explaination. Like I said before, no doubt there was was nothing meant by it at the time I just wanted to bring it to possibly save canon (not that it is required). Kirk know he met him before the promotion, but not able to mention it (for some reason). Heck, TOS violated its own canon during its original run. I think I am done drinking from the canon koolaid for a while.
      
      --------
      
      "Life's tough. It's tougher if you're stupid."
      -- John Wayne
      
      "Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence."
      --Dr. Leonard McCoy
      
      "I'm a politician, which means I am a cheat and a liar, and when I am not kissing babies I am stealing their lollipops."
      -- Jeffrey Pelt, The Hunt for Red October
      
      "Liberals, Intellectuals, Peacemongers, IDIOTS!!!!"
      - General Decker, Mars Attacks
      
      "It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires, both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."
      - Q from Q Who

      
      

      Reply

      Quote