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In a new interview to Maxim.com, actress Diora Baird confirmed she is playing an Orion Slave Girl in the new Star Trek movie. Here are few excerpts of the brief interview.

Let's hope you keep things together in the new Star Trek flick. Who are you playing?

I play the green girl. There you have it.

So you're an alien?

Um, I would assume so-unless I was born with a skin disease. In the original series, there were these infamous green women that Captain Kirk would hit on, and so without giving too much away, I'm one of those green girls.

The full interview is here.



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By: sb2004 (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:57:33 on Sep 22, 2008

Hopefully this time the reports will be accurate. I'm still miffed that the initial report that Rachel Nichols would be playing an OSG turned out to be false.

On another note, my 2 cents regarding the "sexualization" debate - it seems only Star Trek fans are uncomfortable enough with sexuality to bitch whenever it rears its head in the franchise, usually responding with a stock phrase like "it's childish", etc. The type of phrase that has lost all meaning alongside stock terms like "have a nice day".

Yet you look at BSG and other shows and the fans don't give a damn.

The only fandom that comes close to the "EWWW GROSS - GIRLS!" factor is Doctor Who, where everytime it seems as if a bit of nookie might occur in the TARDIS or, heaven help us, a couple of people snog, there are folks who treat it like the end of the world. But with Doctor Who there's a huge faction who still consider it a kid's show (never mind that many so-called kid's shows have been sexually aware for about 10 years now) so there's at least an excuse there.

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    By: OV-101 (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:19:41 on Sep 22, 2008

    Abolutely, 100%, positively no complaints from me :))

    Droool....Droool! What is really nice is that some of these hotties are going to have (what I believe to be) intelligent roles. That will be refreshing.

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By: Miroslav (Odo's file, contact) @ 01:52:55 on Sep 22, 2008 | Edit History (1)

I read these comment and I can't believe that you people object about Orion Slave Girls, or gennerally hot chicks in the Star Trek.

Are you nerds, which lives in the mom's basement, and never go out hangin' with grils? Do you have some kind of rejection trauma and hate every kind of sexuality?

Oh, boy......

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    By: rassmguy (Odo's file, contact) @ 06:59:31 on Sep 22, 2008

    "Are you nerds, which lives in the mom's basement, and never go out hangin' with grils?"

    Oh, come on, man--please tell me you didn't just say that. When people use that tired, cliched and inaccurate stereotype, they make themselves look stupid, not the fans they think they're insulting. Give me a break, dude.


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      By: NKDi (Odo's file, contact) @ 05:35:54 on Sep 23, 2008

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      "Are you nerds, which lives in the mom's basement, and never go out hangin' with grils?"

      Oh, come on, man--please tell me you didn't just say that. When people use that tired, cliched and inaccurate stereotype, they make themselves look stupid, not the fans they think they're insulting. Give me a break, dude.


      Yeah, Star Trek fans all old enough to live in their own basements now. ;)


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By: Muldfeld (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:24:33 on Sep 20, 2008

This is the kind of thing I hate about the original series. Lots of sexualizing of women without any strong roles. There were some strong roles, but mostly they were just overly emotional characters either foolishly in love or jealous or power hungry; I suppose that could be said of most 1960s TV. What's lame is that Abrams shows a lack of imagination in relying on such a gimmick. I don't know DS9 used the Dabo girls as a commentary on sexism, but they had Leeta to show it wasn't just about sexuality; I fear Abrams is up to his usual schtick, as when he had the awful Jennifer Garner dress in skimpy clothing constantly to distract from her atrocious acting.


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    By: timmer33 (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:56:44 on Sep 22, 2008

    You're messed up, sorry. If anything, VOY and ENT did more to exploit female sexuality than anything in TOS. Those two series made obvious and frequent use of both guest actors as well as main stars in order to attract the male adolescent audience. (Seven, T'Pol, Orion slave girls, etc.)

    Seriously, TOS was groundbreaking for its use of women in strong roles as opposed to what you're suggesting.


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    By: The Caretaker (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:29:36 on Sep 21, 2008

    And for those who watched the Orion slave girl episode of Star Trek Enterprise, we know the slave girl thing is just the image projected by the Orions.


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    By: The Caretaker (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:29:25 on Sep 21, 2008

    And for those who watched the Orion slave girl episode of Star Trek Enterprise, we know the slave girl thing is just the image projected by the Orions.


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    By: johncarpenterfan (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:25:28 on Sep 21, 2008

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    This is the kind of thing I hate about the original series. Lots of sexualizing of women without any strong roles. There were some strong roles, but mostly they were just overly emotional characters either foolishly in love or jealous or power hungry; I suppose that could be said of most 1960s TV. What's lame is that Abrams shows a lack of imagination in relying on such a gimmick. I don't know DS9 used the Dabo girls as a commentary on sexism, but they had Leeta to show it wasn't just about sexuality; I fear Abrams is up to his usual schtick, as when he had the awful Jennifer Garner dress in skimpy clothing constantly to distract from her atrocious acting.

    I'm in agreement with Mulfield on this one. Over the enitre history of the franchise, it took waaaay too long for any of the Trek writers to actually develop strong female characters - I'd like to say this would be a HUGE step back if they went this route, but Berman and Brag already did that with Seven of Nine and T'Pol.

    BTW, it was in the original pilot, "The Cage" with Captain Pike that we saw the Orion slave girl, NOT Kirk. I think the myth of Kirk "banging green chicks" came from the Eddie Murphy skit in his stand up film "Delirious".


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      By: Muldfeld (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:03:57 on Sep 21, 2008

      Absolutely. When I saw T'Pol hold her breasts in her hands and moan orgasmically under the pretense of meditation and when I saw the borg woman wear a skin-tight outfight and heard of her fainting from it, I realized how cynical those bastards were. Actually, when I read Berman say he wanted more of the "Hercules" viewership in TV Guide in the mid-90s, I knew he was a cynical jerk.

      I'm sure Abrams will throw on some cheesy Hollywood notion of Americana into the mix and make her the girl next door kinda crap, but it won't be interesting or original or dramatically realistic.

      Ira Steven Behr all the way. He earned the right to do a Star Trek film.


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    By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:35:14 on Sep 21, 2008

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    This is the kind of thing I hate about the original series. Lots of sexualizing of women without any strong roles ... What's lame is that Abrams shows a lack of imagination in relying on such a gimmick.

    Orion Slave girls are a part of Star Trek mythos. Abrams choice to use them as characters in this film is hardly a "gimmick" as you accuse. We are seeing a young Kirk in an environment very familiar to TOS viewers and likely a scene that could have happened on the show for all we know.

    Are slave girls a depiction of sexism? Of course they are. Eevery major city has its share of strip clubs.. just because people may object to what happens in them, does it mean they don't exist? How naieve are we really?

    I can tell you this much. I would rather see a homage to 1960s style sexism, than the REAL gimmick we see today in Hollywood: inserting female characters in sequels or remakes just to make a usual male dominanted cast more "balanced". (See Knight Rider: The Series and Terminator III) -- okay, women are equal to men. We get it...



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    By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 00:00:55 on Sep 21, 2008 | Edit History (1)

    Quote from Muldfeld:
    This is the kind of thing I hate about the original series. Lots of sexualizing of women without any strong roles.


    We humans are highly sexual beings, so there's nothing inherently wrong with overt sexualization. Rather, it's the cultural power structure which can be objectionable. Abrams can easily avoid that dynamic, with no violation of canon.

    For TOS, the 1960s status quo was enforced by TV executives. GR had cast Majel Barrett as the XO ("Number One") in the original pilot, in which female crew wore slacks. It's said that the prominence of a woman among the crew was one of the reasons that first pilot was rejected by NBC. Barrett is quoted as saying, "Gene had wanted very much to show women in a more positive point of view, and women that were stronger, because he said they exist in the world -- but he kind of pulled back."

    GR sneaked in female leadership as alien characters, such as T'Pau, Natira, Elaan, and the Romulan Commander.


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      By: Muldfeld (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:13:21 on Sep 21, 2008 | Edit History (1)

      Oh, I agree with you on both counts that Gene's vision was more noble than what we ended up seeing and that humans are sexual beings; in the latter case, I'd point to how women were depicted on DS9 (under the excellent stewardship of Ira Steven Behr) and the new Battlestar Galactica.

      However, I don't think the Orion Slave girl was on more than one episode -- as a glorified belly dancer -- of TOS. Abrams couldn't come up with something new? Behr did plenty of new stuff.

      It points to Abrams and his writers' gimmicky work, employing nostalgia and cheesy Americana fail to relate to the real world. Abrams helped steer the start of Season 3 of "Lost" and I blame him as well as the writers for turning Kate's dynamic into crap that season; she was defined by the guys who wanted her and this horrible love triangle. However unintentional, this was pretty sexist. (I could be wrong in that Sawyer was a bit caught up in this dynamic as well, but Kate seemed more consumed by it than either of her male suitors.)

      This is in stark contrast to how Starbuck's character and Lee both behaved in their brilliant Season 3 quadrangle. Unlike most vocal BSG fans, I loved that; it was better than "The English Patient" or "Out of Africa" in its romantic drama. Brilliant stuff that felt real in showing how guilt can actually make things worse by prolonging the pain of marriage.

      I think there should be a place for sexuality, but this character won't be more than a moment of hotness, and I'll admit she's hot, but Star Trek deserves better. I just don't trust Abrams to move the franchise in any way that can match DS9 in its depth, and Paramount insults all those writers who took real risk with little financial reward like Robert Hewitt Wolfe and Ira Steven Behr. Abrams plays it safe politically and creatively and executives and, it seems, most sci fi fans (who refuse to watch BSG in the ratings it needed to stay alive and finish without rushed episodes) love that, and that's sad for Star Trek, and for American pop culture.


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        By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:43:02 on Sep 21, 2008 | Edit History (4)

        Quote from Muldfeld:
        However, I don't think the Orion Slave girl was on more than one episode -- as a glorified belly dancer -- of TOS. Abrams couldn't come up with something new?


        The original pilot episode, "The Cage", momentarily transforms human Vina into a belly-dancing "green animal woman", in an illusion scene that's created by the telepathic Talosians, as an attempt to seduce Captain Pike into believing that their menagerie could be anything he can imagine. The Talosians had tapped into Pike's own mind, to (correctly) surmise that a powerful inducement for the typical human male is the sight of a writhing female who holds promise of animalistic sex.

        The second appearance of an Orion female, Marta in "Whom Gods Destroy", also served for a premeditated (and failed) seduction of a stalwart Starfleet captain (Kirk).

        Today, we take for granted this potent sexual meme -- the "green chick" -- which stuck in our pop-cult mythos. So much so that, over the years, it has crept beyond Star Trek, and beyond a genre dominated by red-blooded males, into a wider urban vocabulary.

        This iconic trope belongs to TOS. I don't expect Abrams to shy away from it simply because a faction of the sci-fi world+dog feels that the (still) popular storytelling device is too familiar.

        We know ST:XI includes Pike, so the story could simply provide an account of why he might once have had a green chick in his thoughts (something that may center on young Kirk).


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By: Chronic Harlot (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 17:56:19 on Sep 20, 2008 | Edit History (1)

Fantastic. My girlfriend has a Playboy subscription, and I just hauled out the issue with Diora in it. She has a somewhat old-style beauty vibe to her. We obsessed over Miss Baird for months. Her...um..."upper body characteristics" are quite lovely.

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    By: Jean-Luc (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:11:51 on Sep 22, 2008

    "My girlfriend has a Playboy subscription..."

    You've got the coolest girlfriend!

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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:39:12 on Sep 20, 2008 | Edit History (1)

Quote from Diora Baird:
there were these infamous green women that Captain Kirk would hit on, and so without giving too much away, I'm one of those green girls.


Since Captain Kirk is not known to have "hit on" Orion women, is Baird revealing something that's in the new movie, or is she just parroting a broadly generalized (and misunderstood) TOS mythology?

The plot thickens, as does a man's blood...


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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:24:21 on Sep 20, 2008

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I play the green girl. There you have it.

So you're an alien?

Um, I would assume so -- unless I was born with a skin disease.


LOL, I love how she made the interviewer look like an idiot there. Great job Diora.

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    By: zak (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:10:12 on Sep 20, 2008

    Funny, I thought it was she who looked like the idiot there. And, it wasn't Capt. Kirk who was 'hitting'' on the green Orion slave dancer, that all happened in the original pilot with Jeffrey Hunter and Susan Oliver. It was Capt. Pike who was being hit upon by the Orion slave dancer.


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      By: Tupperfan (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:29:36 on Sep 21, 2008

      She looks like an idiot because she doesn't know Trek as extensively as you?

      You expect EVERYBODY on Earth to know little details like that? She answered with the kind of general awareness people have of TOS, without actually seeing much: Spock is Vulcan, he has no emotions, fucks every seven years and does the neck thing, Kirk is a womanizer and talks like every word is its own sentence, gets his shirt ripped, Bones McCoy declares people dead and complains that he's just a doctor, Scotty is scottish and loves his ship, he beams up the captain, etc.

      I think she made the reporter look like an idiot and she didn't know much of Star Trek's story. That's it.

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      By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:00:23 on Sep 20, 2008

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      Funny, I thought it was she who looked like the idiot there.

      No, she had just finished telling him she was green and the interviewer still asked, "So you're an alien?" - It reminds me of the reporter who asked Doug Williams who had just won Super Bowl XXII for the Redskins, "How long have you been a black quarterback?"

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      And, it wasn't Capt. Kirk who was 'hitting' on the green Orion slave dancer, that all happened in the original pilot ... It was Capt. Pike who was being hit upon by the Orion slave dancer.

      We are nit-picking here. Like Chekov being on the Enterprise when Khan was on board, but not a bridge officer -- for all we know, Kirk may indeed have hit on Orion girls at some point in his youth. If it wasn't seen before in the Original Series, it will be now.

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        By: StanTheMan (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:11:35 on Sep 20, 2008

        Okay, everybody hates a nitpicker, but Kirk did indeed have an encounter with an Orion woman -- and there was, as usual, some kind of flirt going on. Doesn't anybody remember the third season gâchis titled WHOM GODS DESTROY -- about a famous but criminally insane former starship captain with shape-shifting powers trying to escape a space asylum. Actually, I would understand that nobody seems to recall this mess of an episode.

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By: shats (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:12:00 on Sep 20, 2008

I hope this is more than a cameo


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    By: Bean (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 09:52:35 on Sep 21, 2008

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    I hope this is more than a cameo

    So you want the orion slave girl to be a prominent story element?

    yeah...

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