Perhaps a wee bit of over-reaction by all? | Report this post to moderator
By: OV-101 (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:02:06 on Jul 29, 2008 | (1)

I remember reading the article and I did not take his comment to be negative toward JJ or the movie at the time. I think he is a concerned as we are all are. Perhaps some fans took it out of context. However, if I were Wil I would not have reacted and call myself vilified. Whether he was or was not it just adds gasoline (at ~$4/gal) to the flame. I think he might have learned by now that no matter what he says, someone will comment about it (positive and negative).

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  By: Rorschach (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:27:43 on Jul 29, 2008

  It looks really bad when you sucker punch the tit that has sustained you for two decades...
  
  "Unwatchable"??
  
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I don't villify him for worrying about it being good. | Report this post to moderator
By: OkeydokeyObi (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:33:03 on Jul 29, 2008

That's dumb. Who wouldn't? I did take issue with him saying that most of the movies are "unwatchable". And I don't think the fact that he was on one of the shows makes him any more qualified to say that than any other fanboy. But in this community, Will Wheaton is "cool" because he says stuff like that and he "knows" stuff we don't.

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• RE: I don't villify him for worrying about it being good. | Report this post to moderator
  By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:53:19 on Jul 29, 2008 | (1)

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  I did take issue with him saying that most of the movies are "unwatchable". And I don't think the fact that he was on one of the shows makes him any more qualified to say that than any other fanboy.
  
  
  You're correct, an actor's involvement in a production doesn't make them any more qualified than an audience to judge the entertainment value.
  
  What Wheaton's involvement in Star Trek does is make his opinion "newsworthy" here.
  
  
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  By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:25:55 on Jul 29, 2008

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  And I don't think the fact that he was on one of the shows makes him any more qualified to say that than any other fanboy.
  
  I disagree. Not only does the fact he worked around these people and grew up with the franchise make him more qualified than you and other fanboys? It just reaffirms the notion that the reason he gets so much grief is because of how jealous you guys are that you weren't in his shoes at age 15.
  
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  • RE: I don't villify him for worrying about it being good. | Report this post to moderator
    By: OkeydokeyObi (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:59:31 on Jul 30, 2008 | (1)

    I can honestly say that until I first read the "you're just jealous" response a few weeks ago on another Will Wheaton discussion, I had never thought about wishing I was on the show instead of him. Not once. I was 13 when TNG came out and as I have said before, I never really had an opinion of him one way or the other. I thought the last episode he was on (when he hooked up with some pseudo american indians and went off with the traveller) was completely awkward. Wesley acted like a total jerk in that one, and I am quite certain that's the only time I ever had an opinion of his character, one way or the other. I don't really think of him as a principal character that needs to be on the show or in a movie.
    
    No, it's only recently that I have formed a negative opinion of him, primarily through the occasional blog reading but also through interviews. I don't have anything against him, I just have a feeling that I wouldn't like him very much in person. And he really does put himself out there with that blog so im pretty confident in saying that.
    
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Still Weasel-boy after all these years | Report this post to moderator
By: Dingo's Kidneys (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:29:09 on Jul 29, 2008

Quit whining Wuss-ley!

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  By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:26:46 on Jul 29, 2008

  See my response above...
  
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To borrow a line from Season 1 of TNG... | Report this post to moderator
By: Sam Cogley (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:32:29 on Jul 28, 2008

(which will probably get me vilified around here :p )

...shut up, Wesley!

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Did anyone say Wheaton couldn't have an opinion? | Report this post to moderator
By: Mad_Jasper (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:23:01 on Jul 28, 2008

[q]Wheaton said "I recently wrote that I was worried about the new Star Trek movie being good, and I was vilified by Star Trek fans for having the temerity for expressing an opinion about this. Like I don't deserve to have an opinion about this."

You weren't vilified for your opinions. Some of us just think you're a douche.





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  By: TheCap (Odo's file, contact) @ 04:02:12 on Jul 29, 2008

  Douche, yes. I've actually met him and the description fully applies. And the bag, as well.
  
  Sorry, Will, but you make nerds, geeks and dorks everywhere look like Chris Pine. Gene ruined your reputation for life by casting you as his childish alter-ego in TNG. Your cross to bear, I suppose.
  
  P.S. Chris Pine, by the way ... nice looking kid; he's got a "Kirk-ish" look about him. Could work well, if he manages to avoid going "over the top" like The Shat is known to do, from time to time.

  
  

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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:39:27 on Jul 28, 2008

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I just don't like his claim to be a Star Wars fan but condems all the prequel stuff and says all the fans thinks the way he does, which is NOT true.

Actually, almost all fans of Star Wars that I have talked to that are older than 21, agree that the last three "CGI-fest" films that Lucas churrned out don't hold a candle to the original three. This is a common opinion I think we all share, so Wil Wheaton was just stating what we all know deep down.

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  By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 19:47:44 on Jul 28, 2008

  Agreed (again) The Star Wars prequels were crap.
  
  And yes, Mr Wheaton has the right to have his opinion on anything Star Trek.
  
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    By: FSJGuy (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:13:15 on Jul 28, 2008

    can't agree with that, sure The Phantom Menace was completely unnecessary and kinda weak, but it all flowed, and Attack of the Clones and Rise of the Sith were okay, but with any prequel, the whole thing was known therefore boring imo, they would have been better off going with the sequel books done by Timothy Zahn

    
    

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      By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 01:57:52 on Jul 29, 2008

      Well, in that regard, I agree with you, FSJGuy. Timothy Zahn's novels were far superior that Lucas' prequels and would make awesome sequel movies. Regarding the prequels, sorry, I really hated them.
      
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      By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:17:04 on Jul 28, 2008

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      imo, they would have been better off going with the sequel books done by Timothy Zahn.
      
      ...or just leaving well enough alone. All George Lucas has done since 1989 is milk sequels out of his two precious franchises.. Indiana Jones and Star Wars. In 2008 he is now out of his element. The boat has passed him by. Noone can doubt that he is a great business man. Hell, the guy knows how to put toys, video games and Burger King glasses out there with his stuff emblazoned on it.
      
      But if you can sit there with a straight face and tell me that the crap we saw from 1999-2005.. complete with wooden actors like Hayden Christiansen... flopping around in front of TV station weather maps with tennis balls glued to them -- is 1/10 as good as the original three films? Then you're either completely satisfied with neat-o explosions and spaceships, lacking any taste in real film.. or you were drunk.
      
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        By: cnathanw (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 23:11:52 on Jul 28, 2008

        Here here! (maniacly raising bat'leth to the sky)
        
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          By: etsjedi (Odo's file, contact) @ 04:30:14 on Jul 29, 2008

          Well, it seems that Wheaton is right after all. All you have to do is metion Orequel and the Lucas attack begins. I was not and have never been drunk. I do not like films with just explosion. What I do like is something that expands what I already like. Even if it is not the greatest thing ever. The Zahn novels are great, but they focus more on his original characters he creates rather than the original SW characters. Sure, they are involved but I read more about Mara Jade, Winter, Admiral Thrawn and a bunch of new Jedi than I get great scenes with the trio-and Lando is just kinda thrown in there. They did open up a whole new world to SW and so did the prequels and this nonsense of Sw vs ST is beyond lame as both needed each other to become what they both are today.
          Also, if you enjoy ANY top movie of the last few years you better thank Lucas for making film studios step up production value and Lucasfilm for making CCG better so that films once deemed impossible to make to be made.
          Also, another thing Wheaton is right about, people feel free to totally insult each other when hiding on the internet!

          
          

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            By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:23:42 on Jul 29, 2008

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            Also, if you enjoy ANY top movie of the last few years you better thank Lucas for making film studios step up production value and Lucasfilm for making CCG better so that films once deemed impossible to make to be made.
            
            Actually? Those films nowadays (that you call "TOP" movies) that are overrun with CGI? I usually do not like them at all. I believe CGI is a crutch and makes films far less realistic when it is overused (See: Indiana Jones 4 and The Mummy 3). I believe that CGI should only be used when you absolutely HAVE to.. Batman Begins and Dark Knight were as good as they were because Christopher Nolan did almost everything live and on set.. his use of CGI was minimal.
            
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            No, I would tell you everything I just said to your face. After all, not only is it just Star Wars talk? But I know everyone else around me would be on my side anyway. :)
            
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              By: FSJGuy (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:45:14 on Jul 29, 2008

              i believe your statement that everyone you've talked to over 21 hates the prequels...thats because you saw them through a kids eyes, the original 3 are hardly perfect, and Mark Hammill's acting in a New Hope is possibly the worst acting performance in history...
              
              that aside i didn't mean to defend the prequels they are severly flawed, but enjoyable at times...

              
              

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                By: rumandchocolate (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:51:28 on Jul 29, 2008

                Agreed, many of the flaws of the prequels are present in the original trilogy and some of the criticism is due to the audience maturing while Star Wars didn't.
                
                With that said, there are some fundamental storytelling and characterization flaws inherent in the prequels that didn't exist in the original trilogy. Five minutes into ANH, Darth Vader picks a man up by the throat, kills him and throws him across the room. Darth Vader = Badass. Two hours into TPM, Darth Maul hasn't done anything but sneer and look menacing. When he finally has something to do beyond riding his HoverHarley, it's when he's being attacked by two good guys. Two good guys against one bad guy is not a fair fight. It should be two bad guys against one good guy... it's your good guy who should be facing the insurmountable odds, not the other way around.
                
                In AOTC we don't even meet Dooku (the film's villain) for almost two hours. So when we do, it's not only (again) two good guys against one bad guy, but two Jedi against an old man who we have yet to see ignite a lightsaber.
                
                The original trilogy had a very simple story -- rescue the princess... escape the Empire... rescue Han... blow up the Death Star. The prequels get muddled with talks of trade embargoes, secessions and treaty violations.
                
                And finally, JarJar Binks. Now I don't think JarJar is anywhere more annoying than Threepio was in the original trilogy. However, the other characters *acknowledged* that Threepio was annoying. They hit him, shove him, tell him to shut up. There's a moment in TPM when Qui-Gon grabs JarJar's tongue that's genuinely funny... because for the first and only time in that movie, someone has acknowledged that he's annoying. Had there been more of that, JarJar would have been easier to swallow.

                
                

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                  By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 15:02:02 on Jul 29, 2008

                  Okay, I will admit that I enjoyed the Clone Wars animated series and Revenge of the Sith. But not that much.
                  
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By: HotStove (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 18:28:23 on Jul 28, 2008

I can't say I felt one way or another about Wil Wheaton's opinion. It's probably because he knows just as much about the next movie as I do.

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By: PatBorg (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:34:32 on Jul 28, 2008

Relax, Wil. It's the internet. Every yahoo can have their say.

"Vilified"? That's kinda harsh. You're the only Star Trek alum that posts an opinion often, so it makes you a venting point more than others. Ignore the people who're peeing on your parade and keep posting.

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  By: sb2004 (Odo's file, contact) @ 04:57:09 on Jul 29, 2008

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  Relax, Wil. It's the internet. Every yahoo can have their say.
  
  "Vilified"? That's kinda harsh. You're the only Star Trek alum that posts an opinion often, so it makes you a venting point more than others. Ignore the people who're peeing on your parade and keep posting.
  
  I don't think it's harsh at all. The way some of the yahoos around here (and at TrekBBS and on other boards) react whenever any of the actors (except, of course, the beloved Shatner and Nimoy) open their mouths to speak, or god help them voice an opinion -- it's shameful and embarrassing, to be frank.
  
  Don't believe me? Look at how Jolene Blalock's comments regarding Shatner not being in Trek 11 were treated here. They thought she had "farted on the couch" too (to use Wil's term). Yet this is a woman who, by all available evidence, is one of maybe 3 Star Trek actors who are actually STAR TREK FANS. Count the actors who said they never watched the original, or that it was just "there" or who actually disliked it. Yet when an actual fan voiced her opinion, she got slapped down. Simply because she is sexy, has tits, has chosen to make a fun B-movie instead of Macbeth 2008, and happened to be involved with a series the anointed chosen deemed unacceptable to their standards.
  
  Robert Beltran is another one. He gets slapped down regularly for CRITICIZING VOYAGER. As if that's something only WE (the aforementioned anointed chosen) are allowed to do.
  
  And don't even get me started on George Takei. I don't like tossing the H-word around, but the reaction to him everytime he opens his mouth is shameful. And it seems to have gotten worse since he made a certain announcement a couple years ago.
  
  It seems the only way a person can escape this is to die. The criticism of Doohan every time he went after Shatner finally seemed to end -- or at least be accepted -- when he passed away.
  
  Does this mean we have to agree with what the actors are saying? No, of course not. Enterprise-bashers are more than welcome to say they disagree when Scott Bakula defends his TV show. Or when so-an-so moans that they wish another TNG movie was made. But comments like "shut-up Wesley" are not what Trek fandom is supposed to be about.
  
  Funny ... it must be the Internet, because you don't hear of people standing up at CONVENTIONS and saying crap like "Shut up, Weasley."
  
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Wil Weaton is vilified.. | Report this post to moderator
By: etsjedi (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:32:35 on Jul 28, 2008

The problem was not his opinion, it was he was stating that many fans are in his camp that he included in his opinion. Saying most STAR TREK films are unwatchable WAS setting himself up for attack.
Of all the Star Trek movies out there only one is really hard to watch.
I am surprised that he is upset when he is always trying to start something.
Still, if he has real talent as a writer we will see. If not, he needs to rethink his career choice, like many of the fans have to do. Many of us feel
that we have a great Sci-fi story just waiting to be made but it never happens but we still enjoy most of what comes out. I just don't like his claim to be a Star Wars fan but condems all the prequel stuff and says all the fans thinks the way he does, which is NOT true. AND that is my opinion.

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  By: JekPorkinsRed6 (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:32:00 on Jul 28, 2008

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  if he has real talent as a writer we will see.
  Wil Wheaton has already written several books including "Just a Geek" and "Dancing Barefoot", not to mention the star trek mangas he is currently writing. I don't know how much money he made but they were all relatively successful. He definitely is a very talented writer.

  
  

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