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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:29:49 on Jun 24, 2008

Quote from Brent Spiner:
"I like Spike. I wanted him to play Shinzon in Nemesis!"


Spike sucks! Though in an effective way.

As seen from Buffy, Angel, and Smallville, James Marsters could've brought an evil charisma to Shinzon that would pale Tom Hardy's effort.


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Hey Gustavo... | Report this post to moderator
By: The Magrathean (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:34:46 on Jun 24, 2008

Entertainment Weekly just listed Star Trek: The Next Generation as the 24th greatest tv show in the past 25 years, just behind The West Wing and ahead of such shows as The Shield, 24, CSI, Deadwood, and Mad Men (Battlestar Galactica came in at 59).

There's even a full page tribute photo of Rainn Wilson dressed as Captain Picard...next to a full page photo of Rainn Wilson dressed as Xena.

Worth checking out, and deserves a mention on this site somewhere?

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  By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 09:41:12 on Jun 24, 2008

  Thanks, The Magrathean....I will post it as a news bit on TrekWeb. Thanks for the tip !
  
  You know, I love TOS, but TNG is my all-time favorite Star Trek. I know some of the the TNG movies were subpar due to poor scripts, but I still love TNG. Pícard is still my favorite character, after all these years as a Trek fan.
  
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    By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:37:14 on Jun 24, 2008 | (1)

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    I know some of the the TNG movies were subpar due to poor scripts...
    
    Really? I am just curious what you base that on? A poor script means the dialogue of the film is bad. Can you honestly say after 178 Next Generation episodes, the dialogue between the characters were that bad in the movies? Were the movies THAT bad to begin with?
    
    I only ask you because people tend to haphazardly say "oh, it was a bad script" just because the film wasn't like Wrath of Khan.
    
    So I am curious.. if the TNG films were so bad, what were the specific reasons in your opinion?
    
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    P.S. -- if you want truly bad scripts? Try the Star Wars films, yikes! How many times can you use the line, "I have bad feeling about this." on ne franchise?
    
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      By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 14:07:06 on Jun 24, 2008

      Well, I think that Ron Moore, Michael Piller and John Logan are truly talented writers and really understood what makes a TNG movie works, but I think the interference on their scripts by Rick Berman, some of the TNG actors and the studio really damaged the scripts. Look at Insurrection for example. Piller initial idea was a very serious and dramatic movie, but Patrick Stewart, Berman and the studio forced him to write a "funny" movie. The result was a movie that looked like a bad TV episode and not a motion picture. Same thing, in my opinion, with First Contact and Nemesis - both movies were not epic and lacked characterization. The only TNG movie I really liked was Generations, but this is of course, a pure personal opinion. So there you are.
      
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        By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:25:31 on Jun 24, 2008

        You don't consider First Contact epic? You have to remember too, that everyone involved with Insurrection wanted it to be light in tone, because of all the emotional duress that Picard had endured in the previous films. The writers knew there had to be humor, and they allowed some of the actors (especially funny men like Spiner and Frakes) to write dialogue that THEY thought would seem natural for the characters. I feel Insurrection's inherent flaw was the overall message. Defending 600 people when billions could benefit is kind of ludicrous. I think Nemesis' flaw was that all of the character-driven scenes were cut out of the film to focus on the Picard-Shinzon story.. not to mention an unispired musical score.
        
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          By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 16:13:20 on Jun 24, 2008 | (1)

          I agree that all the good character stuff was cut from Nemesis (just look at the deleted scenes on the DVD) and that Jerry Goldsmith score was inferior to his previous works on the franchise, but I think which killed Nemesis (at least for me) was the awful directing of Stuart Baird, a great movie editor who is not a director. If Frakes or David Carson had directed Nemesis, I think the movie would be much better than the one we got. Again, just my opinion.
          
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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:48:19 on Jun 24, 2008 | (1)

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Well, much better than the awful Tom Hardy anyway...sigh...

Out of fairness to Hardy, I think his acting was fine. He conveyed the gritty, beaten, 'street-rat' personality perfectly. I think he just didn't LOOK like Patrick Stewart at all... his lips were too big!

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After Nemesis I went straight from the theater to the bar. My childhood officially ended.

So true! I was 9 when I sat on the floor and watched Encounter at Farpoint with my mom for the first time. Then, 15 years later I am 24-years old, watching the midnight showing of Nemesis with some friends and feeling less-than-satisfied about how my beloved TNG run had come to and end... and I don't care what anyone said at the time, that movie was the end.

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By: c.p. (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:09:15 on Jun 24, 2008 | (1)

Emotional ending? I know what he means. After Nemesis I went straight from the theater to the bar. My childhood officially ended.

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By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 01:47:21 on Jun 24, 2008

James Marsters as Shinzon would have been a really awesome casting for the movie.

Well, much better than the awful Tom Hardy anyway...sigh...

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  By: Captain's Blog (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:36:18 on Jun 24, 2008

  Tom Hardy was good, but didn't look like Stewart. Christian Bale would've been a better choice.
  
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  By: Terry212 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 06:02:59 on Jun 24, 2008

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  Well, much better than the awful Tom Hardy anyway...sigh...
  
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  See, I thought Tom Hardy did a fine job and James Marsden would be a fitting actor for clone of Tom Cruise but not close of Patrick Stewart. The problem with Shinzon was plot and script, but the actor was fine, I think.
  
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    By: JDKing (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:20:25 on Jun 24, 2008

    I agree, that was not Hardy's fault in any way, blame that director who had zero clue of Star Trek. I'm sure it wouldn't have mattered who was cast as Shinzon, it would have been a stinker!
    
    And if I may throw my 2 cents in, I think Stewart should have played both roles. He was a clone afterall. (Not that that would have saved Nemesis though)
    
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    By: seventhstar (Odo's file, contact) @ 06:30:07 on Jun 24, 2008

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    Quote: Well, much better than the awful Tom Hardy anyway...sigh...
    
    Gustavo
    
    See, I thought Tom Hardy did a fine job and James Marsden would be a fitting actor for clone of Tom Cruise but not close of Patrick Stewart. The problem with Shinzon was plot and script, but the actor was fine, I think.
    
    Brent Spiner was talking about James Marsters as Shinzon.
    
    Marsden and Marsters are easily confused, name-wise, but they really are two different people, or so I've been told.

    
    

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      By: Terry212 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 06:41:37 on Jun 24, 2008

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      Marsden and Marsters are easily confused, name-wise, but they really are two different people, or so I've been told.
      
      Ah, yes, I see! My mistake. I recognize him from flipping past Buffy and Angel on occasion. I could never get into those shows. Like Xena, they struck me as just too campy and corny. Too aimed at teens.
      
      I'd love to hear what people hated about Tom Hardy that doesn't stem from the writing or story.
      
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        By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 07:50:35 on Jun 24, 2008

        I have to tell you, I love Marsters. I am a big fan of his acting. He was a great villain in Buffy as Spike and Smallville as Brainiac and I would loved to see him as Shinzon. As for Hardy, I just think he was a bad actor, overacting in every scene. Thats it, I just dont like the poor guy. But I agree that the problem with Nemesis was on the script and the directing. But in my opinion, Marsters would have helped the movie. My two cents.
        
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Data's visor? | Report this post to moderator
By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 23:11:36 on Jun 23, 2008

Before this becomes a huge controversy, I am pretty sure he meant his poker visor he wore as a dealer. Just to eliminate any Geordi-Data confusion ;)

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