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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:27:51 on Jun 20, 2008

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When someone tells me "Oh, I am just going to wait until it comes on TV." then I have to wonder why he is so passionate about the Shat on this forum?


By watching a particular movie for "free" -- e.g. via an existing TV service -- the viewer avoids added expense and contributing to box-office numbers, yet gets to directly assess new material from a franchise that has some other significance (such as a fave series or character).

Again, you needed explanation for something common and basic.

Perhaps you avoid dictionaries in fear of seeing your likeness to "Complete Idiot."


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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:51:55 on Jun 20, 2008

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So, to be intelligent, people must accept that anyone who sees a Star Trek [film] only at home on TV ... isn't qualified to comment in these forums without your personal harassment!?

My exchange with him was caused by the tone he has (and that you have).. to take my comments about Shatner being in the film personally, as if he is your family member.

When someone tells me "Oh, I am just going to wait until it comes on TV." then I have to wonder why he is so passionate about the Shat on this forum? If he isn't that excited to go see it in the theaters, then why is he jumping all over my opinion about the matter?

To me, that is like people who rant about politics yet don't vote. If you have no desire to see the movie in the theaters, then why does the Shatner topic make your blood boil?

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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:37:51 on Jun 20, 2008

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-- thats why I always make a new post with a quote if I want my responses to be seen. I typed what I did because I had not seen what Scorpius had typed yet. Pure and simple.


Yet everyone else here can see that Scorpius too had posted at top level, and more than an hour prior to your knee-jerk rancor.


Quote: I meant in the theater. I assumed people would be intelligent enough to understand that with out me typing it out for them


So, to be intelligent, people must accept that anyone who sees Star Trek only on a home TV monitor -- via broadcast, cable, disc, or Internet transfer -- isn't qualified to comment in these forums without your personal harassment!?


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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:36:52 on Jun 20, 2008

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Scorpius (to everyone): "William Shatner will not be in this movie."
cdydatzigs (to Scorpius): "Your messiah William Shatner is not in it"

When I post often within a long thread, some of my earlier posts get forgotten - as well as their responses if people simply hit "Reply" -- thats why I always make a new post with a quote if I want my responses to be seen. I typed what I did because I had not seen what Scorpius had typed yet. Pure and simple.

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Scorpius intends to wait until the movie comes to TV: "The most likeliest I'll see that movie is when it ends up on terrestrial in 3 years time". But your zombie response is, "Why comment on a movie that you claim you are not going to go see?"

I meant in the theater. I assumed people would be intelligent enough to understand that with out me typing it out for them, but I guess I have to type everything out so those people who scour my posts looking for material to insult me, won't have as much ad hominem, non sequitor, lemming turd ammunition from which to personally attack me with.

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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:30:41 on Jun 19, 2008

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I only hammer home the point that I feel his casting in this movie is unnecessary and a distraction because others are just as passionate about how producers "lied" and that this movie will fail without him.


You're barely conscious of what others say. Two egregious examples...

Scorpius (to everyone): "William Shatner will not be in this movie."
cdydatzigs (to Scorpius): "Your messiah William Shatner is not in it"

Scorpius intends to wait until the movie comes to TV: "The most likeliest I'll see that movie is when it ends up on terrestrial in 3 years time". But your zombie response is, "Why comment on a movie that you claim you are not going to go see?"

Non-sequitur, ad hominem monologuing.

You weren't even cognizant of who had initiated personal insult here, unless you just hoped to fool whomever hadn't read our posts.

There's little reason to believe that your obvious lack of mental integrity is any different for other issues.


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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:22:57 on Jun 19, 2008

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Yours isn't a reflective "passion". You're mind-fucked by anti-Shatner angst.

Is this a Star Trek fan website or a William Shatner fan website? I don't dislike the man. In fact I love Shatner's Kirk in the first seven films and the Original Series. It would seem his supporters are more interested in what is best for him rather than what's best for the franchise as a whole. I only hammer home the point that I feel his casting in this movie is unnecessary and a distraction because others are just as passionate about how producers "lied" and that this movie will fail without him.

I do not give Orci's comment much weight. The fact some are hanging so much on "with a year left, who knows?" in a casual interview, means so little in the big picture -- and shows desperation that their actor-hero might make one last appearance on the big screen. Honestly, the most we could ever expect is a voice over epilogue a la Star Trek VI.. and I have no problems with that whatsoever.

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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:35:12 on Jun 19, 2008

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It has been that I feel (passionately) that he SHOULDN'T be. Unfortunately, much of the die-hard Star Trek fan base has made William Shatner untouchable.


How does Orci's agenda warrant spontaneous belligerence toward Shatner fans?

Yours isn't a reflective "passion". You're mind-fucked by anti-Shatner angst.

Such emotional dysfunction ain't pretty.


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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:41:39 on Jun 19, 2008

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Orci has AGAIN chosen to inform fans that his story can sensibly accommodate elder Kirk -- and that Shatner could yet appear in the movie.

I have never stated that Shatner COULDN'T be inserted into this film through some creative tweaking -- on the contrary, I have a plot scenario of my own as to how it could be done. My argument all these months has never been about that. It has been that I feel (passionately) that he SHOULDN'T be.

Unfortunately, much of the die-hard Star Trek fan base has made William Shatner untouchable. I understand that my opinion might be blasphemous to those same people, but I am more concerned about the FRANCHISE than whether he has screen time in an eighth Star Trek film. The franchise is not 100% about him as an actor.

I feel that in order for the franchise to thrive and do well, it will have to do so without him now -- much like Star Trek: First Contact did when it raked in $92 million only 2 years after he left the franchise. Star Trek will not fail if he is absent from the cast. If the new movie is going to bring in a whole new younger audience of non-fans anyway, then his presence is irrelevant -- as hard as it is for some to accept.

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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:13:21 on Jun 19, 2008 | (2)

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And for the record, it did not become personal until a particular person on here started calling me a retard and other such things because he felt I wasn't "getting it."


With that insipid little lie, you flush your mental integrity down the virtual crapper. My first post in this talkback addressed Orci's "who knows?" statement. Your immediate reply to me contained nothing more than an attempt at personal insult. The gloves came off. Now you talk like an abused chump.

You claim to be an adult professional, yet your reading comprehension is juvenile. You balk at the Thesaurus, yet you've never learned how to spell "ridiculous" (you always do the "rediculous"). So, for years, you've ignored the error message from spelling-checkers commonly found in word processing software. (If you're dirt poor, or a miser, download the free OpenOffice suite, which is compatible with Microsoft Office files.)

One of your posts here is titled "[reads resume]". Do you really want to create the visual of someone who needs such self-reassurance of their (alleged) skill set?

ST:XI co-writer and executive producer Roberto Orci has AGAIN chosen to inform fans that his story can sensibly accommodate elder Kirk -- and that Shatner could appear in the movie -- yet the self-anointed experts in the peanut gallery claim to know better about what can or cannot be done.

What you and others fail to grasp is that Orci has repeatedly dispelled the "can or cannot" argument about casting and storytelling. At this point, the issue is "if or why" Team Abrams are misleading fans about Shatner.


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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:57:47 on Jun 19, 2008 | (1)

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It is basically quite easy to bring back Kirk.

It is easy, yes. Even I have a scenario where he could be brought back. In the Star Trek universe it is very easy. But just because it can be done, doesn't mean it should be done. Having to explain to a general audience that may ormay not be familiar with Shatner's previous work, why he is in a film about them in their youth? Just seems like a prohibitive move for the sake of the real story. William Shatner maybe the flagship figure of the franchise, but J.J. Abrams doesn't owe the man a role in this film. He did a television series, an animated series and seven films before he agreed to be killed off in Generations. As far as J.J. is concerned, that was his "out" right there.

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By: Scorpius (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:55:37 on Jun 19, 2008 | (1)

I don't know why we're posting outside of the message thread but as you are, I will also...

I've been over the WHYs and HOWs the past 18 months and there's nothing people haven't heard before. It's a non-issue. He's not going to be, and never was going to be, in this film. And I find Orci's claims to the contrary that it's a possibiluty, to be the usual bullshit.

I wasn't referring to your reply to Trexx but your numerous posts in every single Shatner thread, most of them that not only insult Shatner, but actually go after his fans also. Categorising and labelling "Shatner apologists" etc. Others who don't care about the whole Shatner thing have been respectful enough to keep it to the issue and not his fans. You go after the issue AND his fans.

And claiming you make a "good point" is hardly objective is it? That's like me saying, everything I say is a great point. That's not my call or yours.

You are nothing but an intimidating bully!

And yes you did point out to Trexx that you knew what you were talking about BECAUSE of what you do, therefore intimating you knew what you were talking about more than he did. You don't. There is no less or more argument at all.

You also fail to read people's posts properly. I did not say I thought Shatner would appear in the movie, I said the opposite, and every time Trexx quotes what Orci said you fail to actually comprehend what he is saying and go on an insultive rant.

In the end you're not after "good points" or well thought out reasoned arguments; you are after a fight!

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  You also fail to read people's posts properly. I did not say I thought Shatner would appear in the movie, I said the opposite, and every time Trexx quotes what Orci said you fail to actually comprehend what he is saying and go on an insultive rant.
  
  No, I actually have read and re-read every single one of Trexx's quotes. 95% of his posts are quotes and links to what other people have said, I got it. But if he repeats the same line by Orci over and over, like it is important? I am not going to acknowledge it. Just because Orcie says casually in an interview "you never know?", doesn't mean we should foam at the mouth saying he is a liar, nor should we assume there is an "open door" for Shatner, or that it's a salary issue. As long as this Shatner topic continually regurgitates itself onto Trekweb for the next 11 months? I will post my 2 cents like the rest of you. Enjoy!
  
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By: BorgKing (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:38:21 on Jun 19, 2008 | (1)

It is basically quite easy to bring back Kirk.

We know that Guinan used to exist partially in the Reality and partially in Nexus. A part of someone, who has entered Nexus always exist there.

So when Kirk and Picard leave the Nexus to stop Soran in Generations, they only partially left the Nexus. While in the Nexus, you can go anywhere anytime in Reality, only people do not feel the need for that.

So Kirk just needs to pop up one day in front of Spock, and say he has left the Nexus again to come and visit him.

The Kirk who died in Generations, was simply a projection of the Kirk in the Nexus into this reality.

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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:29:09 on Jun 19, 2008

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I've been watching this person persecute Shatner fans for months on these message boards becoming very personal indeed.

Just because I have just as passionate opinion about why Shatner being in this film would be a mistake as the folks who think he should? Does not mean I am persecuting anyone. It just means you are not used to having your rants countered by someone else. And for the record, it did not become personal until a particular person on here started calling me a retard and other such things because he felt I wasn't "getting it."

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I'm getting sick of his mouth and not the only person. He has a persecution complex and he's a big boy and can look after himself.

Exactly. And rather then getting butt hurt when I make a good point as to why he shouldnt be in the film, why don't youi make a LOGICAL, EDUCATED and WELL THOUGHT OUT response as to why he should.

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He was the one that introduced the career argument as a credential for his opinion, blatently stating it gives him more weight than Trexx in the debate, which is absolute bollocks.

I never said I had more credentials than Trexx. I have no idea what he does for a living. But I have been working in the independent film industry off and on since 2001. In SoCal, if you know the right people and have a passion for film? It isn't hard! And you can throw the 'bullocks' card at me if you wish, but I do have a knowledge of how the film industry works that goes above what the average arm-chair Star Trek fan would have. Some of the things I have heard from fans over the years as to why they think Star Trek went down the tubes, why shows were cancelled or why certain actors are not in films? Have been rediculous. So rather than sit there and read that rubbish, I chime in with my 2 cents just like you do.

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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:43:38 on Jun 18, 2008 | (1)

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- hence the frustration of watching unknowledgeable people post about how they THINK Hollywood and the producers operate.


Remarks from Shatner and Team Abrams indicate a salary conflict, which is a matter for studio accountants and lawyers. Unless Abrams et al are jerking the fans and media, they do have a way to include elder Kirk in their story.

Scorpius here has clearly stated, "William Shatner will not be in this movie", yet you tell Scorpius that he'll eat crow when he sees "that your messiah William Shatner is not in it."

Orci is obviously saying "maybe yes, maybe no" about Shatner, yet you were "puzzled" about this until I explained his comment to you.

Various comprehension and attention disorders could account for your puzzlement, frustration, and delusions of competence. I don't wish to be unduly insensitive, so if there's anyone here who can say whether or not you have a legitimate mental disability, they should do you the favor of chiming in about it.


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By: Scorpius (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:07:03 on Jun 18, 2008 | (1)

Orci's comments are absolute bollocks. He's messing with the fans big time. William Shatner will not be in this movie. Has never been seriously considered since the script was written (Why would you bother not writing him in if you were desperate to have him). JJ and his cronies have tried to save face by spouting their claptrap and by now we've learnt our lesson. WE DONT BELIEVE YOU ORCI.

But it's not all bad news there is Trek Remastered, New Voyages and DS9 reruns to be enjoyed!

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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:39:22 on Jun 18, 2008

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Now you pose like a beleaguered chump, after you initiated the ad hominem remarks.

Ad hominem? lol, boy you are REALLY trying to impress us aren't you?

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Your spontaneous belligerence gets what it deserves. What else do you bring to this party? No genre information.

On the contrary. I am a 30 year-old graphic designer and independent filmmaker living in Southern California who is quite familiar with the film industry - hence the frustration of watching unknowledgeable people post about how they THINK Hollywood and the producers operate.

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Nothing of ostensible intelligence. Not even an effective connection to immediate reality.

I will give you this.. you are getting a lot better at thumbing through the Thesaurus looking for words that make you sound important. Just curious.. can you promote seasons 1 and 2 of 'Facts of Life' on DVD for your next signature? Thanks!

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  By: IamKirok!!! (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:01:02 on Jun 19, 2008

  Finally, somebody else who works in the industry. I work in casting and production. God, its so frustrating to hear all the nonsense from people who have no idea how the biz works. Preach on, my friend.

  
  

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    By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:42:53 on Jun 19, 2008

    Heh, isn't it ironic that we have totally different views about Shatner being in the film, but we are equally frustrated seeing posts from the average fan with no clue how films are produced? :)
    
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      By: IamKirok!!! (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:12:27 on Jun 19, 2008

      I think you may be mixing up my views with my anti-matter counterpart StillKirok. I'm with you as far as I can see. Kirk is my hero. I just see that these guys are actually trying to create a real story, and I think its fitting aesthetically that Nimoy alone, who never sold out to the BS of stuff like Generations, passes the torch for TOS.
      
      I'm sure that Shatner and his agent were very aggressive about trying to get them to rewrite, and I think JJ and Paramount, in the final analysis( which I'm sure included input from marketing people) was to say, "No way." A
      
      I get people loving Kirk. I do too. But the backlash from the non-pros who want him in the film "just because" and their, to be frank, ignorant comments pertaining to the business end, are frustrating to me.
      
      Lol...we should talk and maybe do a podcast about this stuff.

      
      

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  By: Scorpius (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:59:16 on Jun 18, 2008

  Independent film maker? Come back and when you start earning as much money as William Shatner; you'll have finally earnt the right to comment on his career.
  
  You have no credentials at all when it comes to having an opinion. There is no difference between your views, and a Mrs Margaret Butterworth whos 96 and knits jumpers.
  
  You don't work on THIS movie, you have ZERO insider knowledge, and you're foul mouthed.
  
  Now go back to your failed movie career and make more productions that barely anyone will see...
  
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    "Independent film maker? Come back and when you start earning as much money as William Shatner; you'll have finally earnt the right to comment on his career.
    You have no credentials at all when it comes to having an opinion. There is no difference between your views, and a Mrs Margaret Butterworth whos 96 and knits jumpers.
    You don't work on THIS movie, you have ZERO insider knowledge, and you're foul mouthed.
    Now go back to your failed movie career and make more productions that barely anyone will see... "
    
    
    Wow...and I thought the people at AICN were rude to each other. There is absolutely no reason to demean another's career. It doesn't further your argument, and just makes you look like a jerk. You owe him an apology, though I doubt it'll be forthcoming.
    
    And the amount of money a person makes has no bearing on this whatsoever. Paris Hilton has a ton of money, and she's a witless tart with no talent whatsoever.
    
    
    
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      By: Scorpius (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:49:56 on Jun 19, 2008

      I've been watching this person persecute Shatner fans for months on these message boards becoming very personal indeed. I'm getting sick of his mouth and not the only person. He has a persecution complex and he's a big boy and can look after himself.
      
      He condoscends the fans of William Shatner with his various labels, and attacks Shatner's career. It's called taste of own medicine.
      
      And I agree about the money. He was the one that introduced the career argument as a credential for his opinion, blatently stating it gives him more weight than Trexx in the debate, which is absolute bollocks. I'm glad you found the flaw in the premise, because it was an apt demonstration that nothing gives anybody any rights to their opinion more or less so than anybody else.
      
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    By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:17:56 on Jun 18, 2008 | (1)

    Right Scorpius.... In 11 months when you waddle down to your theater, large bucket of popcorn sopping with butter in-hand, and see that your messiah William Shatner is not in it, like many of us have been trying to tell you? You can eat your crow with asparagus and potatoes.. wait.. you probably don't eat vegetables do you?
    
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      By: Scorpius (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:46:01 on Jun 19, 2008

      I have never once believed or said he was in it. And the most likeliest I'll see that movie is when it ends up on terrestrial in 3 years time.
      
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        By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:41:59 on Jun 19, 2008

        So why comment on a movie that you claim you are not going to go see? And you say I am starting fights??
        
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P.S. - be prepared for a post laden with "retardation", "social worker" and "flatulence" references directed at me.


Now you pose like a beleaguered chump, after you initiated the ad hominem remarks. Your spontaneous belligerence gets what it deserves.

What else do you bring to this party?

No genre information. Nothing of ostensible intelligence. Not even an effective connection to immediate reality.


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By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:23:54 on Jun 18, 2008

I'm hardly an army of one, but I call it like I see it. Many people are disappointed, and only an insignificant minority actually doesn't want the guy in the movie. Too bad some of those people are the producers.

If you don't like that people are pissed, tough. Feel free to NOT post in a thread dealing with the Shatner debacle.

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  By: rassmguy (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:09:11 on Jun 18, 2008

  Stillkirk wrote:
  "only an insignificant minority actually doesn't want the guy in the movie"
  
  Oh, come on, man--now you're being delusional. I respect your right to believe whatever you want to believe, but the fact is, the "Shatner must be in the film or it'll suck" camp is extremely small (basically, on this board it's you).
  
  
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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:59:47 on Jun 18, 2008 | (1)

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You really need to breathe. You're taking this WAY too seriously, and you've become an army of one, to the point of absurdity. How about dropping the tired old rhetoric already?

Between StillKirok's tireless rants about the producers "being full of crap" and Shatner being a God of some sort, and TRexx's Thesaurus-laden, chest-thumping posts that spend more time promoting other writer's articles and biographies than any ideas of his own, I think this is going to be a LONG 11 months.....

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P.S. - be prepared for a post laden with "retardation", "social worker" and "flatulence" references directed at me. [checks watch}

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  By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:45:54 on Jun 18, 2008

  The only tireless rants are your anti-Shatner drivel and Abrams apologistic commentary.
  
  The producers have absolutely shown that they are full of crap.
  
  Again, their excuses have been shot down, and the only thing exposed is their incompetence on this issue.
  
  There is only one truth. They never wanted him in the movie in the first place, and they didn't have the guts to say anything.
  
  They did not make any good faith attempt to get him in the movie.

  
  

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    By: rassmguy (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:14:29 on Jun 18, 2008

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    So in other words...you admit you're being over-the-top and ridiculous, and are posting yet another redundant rant no one agrees with by way of example. Okay, gotcha. Just making sure I understand where you're coming from here.
    
    
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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:28:52 on Jun 17, 2008 | (1)

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You guys are hanging on these minute threads of hope that Shatner is going to be in this film, and it's rather sad!


Should I just mercifully assume you're mentally retarded?

Read this, carefully: Roberto Orci is the one saying "Maybe yes, maybe no" about Shatner.

Read it again.

Feel free to mouth the words and scrunch your face -- especially if that might save the world+dog from another of your turd-IQ monologues!


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  By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 04:54:37 on Jun 18, 2008

  One thing I have learned about these producers is that they are completely full of crap. Nowhere in this thread will you find me believing that Shatner will be in the movie. There is absolutely no reason to believe that, given the lies Orci and Abrams have spewed on this subject.
  
  The only one who has been truthful about this process, has been Shatner himself. If HE says that he's been in contact with the producers, I will have some hope.
  
  But again, Orci and Abrams don't seem to understand that you can't make a move on this thing without actually picking up the phone. Orci actually insults our intelligence by trying to claim that the cameo comment was the factor.
  
  They didn't want to put him in the movie. That's the only truth.
  
  Orci teased the possibility for over a year. And by teased, I mean lied. Abrams said they desperately wanted to get Shatner in the movie. So desperate, that they didn't bother to show him the script, never called him, and then used Generations as an excuse when if it really WAS an excuse, they would have said so from the beginning.
  
  These producers are completely and utterly full of crap.
  
  Wake me when they make a phonecall.

  
  

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    By: rassmguy (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:27:14 on Jun 18, 2008

    StillKirk, you really need to breathe. You're taking this WAY too seriously, and you've become an army of one, to the point of absurdity. No one else seems to have a problem with either the producers' integrity, or with the fact that Shatner is not in the film. He doesn't belong in the film if the script doesn't justify it--and since none of us have read it, none of us (including you) have any idea if the script justifies it. How about dropping the tired old rhetoric already?
    
    
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      By: Scorpius (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:53:53 on Jun 18, 2008

      I wouldn't go so far as to call them liars, but im in agreement. They bullshitted us around. If Generations and the cameo remark are the real reasons why SHatner isn't in the movie, then there was no reason to keep it going for as long as they did. Orci blatently did this at every turn over at trekmovie and is doing so still in this magazine interview.
      
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    By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 05:52:27 on Jun 18, 2008

    
    Shatner mentions his ST:XI exclusion in his new autobiography, which was inspired in part by his grandchildren. I doubt he'd muck up his memoirs to cooperate in a "surprise cameo" campaign for Abrams' movie.
    
    I wouldn't say that the situation can't change between now and May 2009, because a bookend role is easy to append by moviemakers who were anticipating that possibility from the get-go.
    
    
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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:06:35 on Jun 17, 2008

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Read the news article that's posted at the top of this webpage ... Roberto Orci answers, "With another year to go, who knows?"

I am well aware of what he said. But that could just be lip service for all we know. He is working for J.J. Abrams who has made it very clear that the details of this film were to be kept secret. Now.. if Shatner was a casual add to the cast like Nimoy or Eric Bana? Then we would know it by now. If he was this rediculous "suprise cameo" or "voiceover" like some of you speculate, don't you think Abrams and Orci would be extra sure that it is not known until people see the film in theaters?

You guys are hanging on these minute threads of hope that Shatner is going to be in this film, and it's rather sad! As for accusing Orci of being a liar and not to believe anything he says? Well, him and Abrams are making this film .. NOT YOU. If they want to keep things secret or lie in order to fool the fans until the film comes out next May? Then they have every right! [see: George Lucas's Blue Harvest, 1983] You guys are so spoiled about being spoiled on movie plots, that now that they aren't telling you what you want to hear? Your heads are spinning and shooting vomit everywhere. Relax already.



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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:13:51 on Jun 17, 2008

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I still am puzzled why you and some Shatner apologists seem to think that J.J. is doing anything of the sort!


Are you even cognizant of where you are?

Read the news article that's posted at the top of this webpage. When asked about William Shatner's appearance in the Star Trek XI movie -- which premieres in May 2009 -- writer and producer Roberto Orci answers, "With another year to go, who knows?"

The "who knows?" is common English rhetoric for "maybe yes, maybe no", i.e. the "door" of opportunity isn't closed. Orci's statement "holds the door open."

If you're still puzzled, politely ask your nurse or social worker to explain it.


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  By: Ollie (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 17:38:16 on Jun 17, 2008 | (2)

  
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  ...and now with another year to go, who knows?
  
  Orci lies. He lies alot. I remember he said the flames on [movie] Optimus Prime had a specific and significant reason for being on Prime. That "reason" never surfaced. Don't believe him one ounce.
  
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    By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:48:26 on Jun 17, 2008 | (3)

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    Orci lies. He lies alot.
    
    
    Roberto Orci has provided a glaring example of how his public promise can mean nothing, to fans, and to Paramount.
    
    Back in January, Orci said he'd participate at Paramount's new Official Star Trek Movie forum. The reality is that all of Team Abrams are conspicuously absent from the official ST:XI movie site.
    
    Abrams claims to protest the advance release of raw details about his projects, yet Orci admits to spending way too much time schmoozing with readers at a gossip blog that aggressively seeks and publicizes those advance details, exploiting Paramount's secrecy investments.
    
    Online properties, such as Paramount's official movie site, can be as valuable as a brand name or company logo. By their total absence, Abrams et al have completely squandered the onsite brand endorsement. Team Abrams' public accessibility and online patronage are franchise assets, which Orci has been highly selective in using to draw worldwide media attention to a non-Paramount property (the third-party gossip blog).
    
    Questionable professional principles. The selectivity suggests a willful negligence.
    
    
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By: OkeydokeyObi (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:01:12 on Jun 17, 2008

I simply do not see why we can't just ignore Generations. Pretend it didn't happen. Don't ask about it, don't address it, just ignore it. You're seeing the incredible hulk doing just that- the first movie was garbage so they just... rebooted it. Besides, it's not like the Star Trek team is looking at Mike Okuda's encyclopedia to make sure their plot doesn't violate canon.

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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:32:20 on Jun 17, 2008

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Your turd IQ just can't grok how Team Abrams continue to hold the door open for Shatner.

(1) Anyone who uses "grok" in a sentence automatically loses 75% of their credibility.

(2) I still am puzzled why you and some Shatner apologists seem to think that J.J. is doing anything of the sort! You are in such a heap of denial that Shatner will not be in this film, you are making up rediculous claims of what Abrams means and is doing. All he has done is moved on with his film, shot all of the actors including Nimoy and now the film is in post-production.

I understand you are probably older and stuck in the past.. refusing to accept the fact that the franchise has moved on without Shatner for the last 14 years. I can safely tell you that there is no denial here. I knew Shatner was done when I was 16 and saw Kirk get skewered by a wrought iron post on the big screen. Case closed.



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  By: Scorpius (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:50:11 on Jun 18, 2008

  Who needs to apologise for Shatner. Someone needs to apologise for your mouth tho. Won't be you, you're way too arrogant and have a persecution complex... Guess that's one for the next life when you come back as something more human!
  
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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:03:25 on Jun 17, 2008

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So even if the producers decided to detract from their story to shove him into it? Explaining why he is alive would have to be accompanied by why he looks older and yes.. HEAVIER.


Star Trek doesn't need to explain wrinkles and weight gain, because normal intelligence understands that these are common among elders. Shatner is the same age as Nimoy.

Your turd IQ just can't grok how Team Abrams continue to hold the door open for Shatner.


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By: dark_mr_fripperton (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:52:08 on Jun 17, 2008

There is a very simple solution for having an "older, fatter" Kirk in the movie. While in the past, Spock could do something that will somehow prevent Kirk from dying in the original time line. Spock then flies his time ship back to the 24th century. Screen fades to black. The words "FOURTEEN YEARS LATER" appear. We see Spock and older KIrk sitting and drinking and remembering old times. There comes a point in the conversation where they think about their friends who have died. Kirk says something to the effect "I can't believe I'm still alive...although I came pretty damn close fourteen years ago."

As simple as that.

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  As simple as that.
  
  
  Exactly. A simple heads-up about future peril, from elder Spock to young Kirk or Spock. Kirk never dies at Veridian.
  
  Abrams' makeup team might actually need to make elder Kirk appear older than Shatner's real age, as was done to a 67 year-old Deforest Kelley for McCoy's appearance aboard Picard's ship.
  
  
  
  
  
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By: dark_mr_fripperton (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:39:52 on Jun 17, 2008

And I've been sick of this debate for six months already...

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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:27:45 on Jun 17, 2008 | (1)

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Do you realize that your criteria also applies to the late James Doohan's last appearances as Scotty?

Do you remember the clip from The Simpsons that took place in the future and the characters were watching a trailer for Star Trek XII: So Very Tired? If I recall, the final bit showed Scotty not being able to reach the control panel because his enormous gut was wedged against the edge pushing him away from it. Clearly, the writers of that show have "turd brains" too, eh? The Simpsons.. Nineteen years and still going, last time I checked.

The point I was trying to make is that William Shatner does not look like he did in 1994 when he last portrayed Captain Kirk. So even if the producers decided to detract from their story to shove him into it? Explaining why he is alive would have to be accompanied by why he looks older and yes.. HEAVIER. If you love the man so much, tell him to push away from the buffet once and a while.



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  By: Scorpius (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:10:09 on Jun 18, 2008

  That's a great pic of Shat, do you have it in 1900 z 1200 for my desktop?
  
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    By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:19:52 on Jun 18, 2008

    I sure do! The best part is, his head is taylor-made for widescreen monitors.
    
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      By: Scorpius (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:52:40 on Jun 19, 2008

      The more of the Shat the better I say !
      
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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:11:19 on Jun 17, 2008

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... South beach diet and botox ... bloated ... waistline ...


So, your ugly little rants about "botox", "bloat", and "waistline" qualify as insight?

Does your turd brain realize that your criteria also apply to the late James Doohan's last appearances as Scotty?





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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:15:38 on Jun 17, 2008

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The entire purpose of this controversy is to keep everyone distracted from the real spoilers, to keep every talk show host asking Shatner about it, and to keep Trek somewhere in the public consciousness.

...OR J.J. has done such a good job keeping things under wraps (for once) that the Shatner apologists (like Elvis and Tupac die-hards) will use this lull in the news front to come up with rediculous notions that there is a conspiracy, and that Denny Crane will make a cameo as the bloated corpse of Kirk who stumbled down from the mountaintop on Veridian III and hitched a ride on a passing shuttle exclaiming, "I'm alive! No really, i'm alive! My waistline is a result of methane gasses. Find me a tailor, I want a uniform NOW! Gimme, gimme, gimme!"

... please ...



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By: Dukat (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 11:52:58 on Jun 17, 2008

I still think this is all a big put on from Shatner to Nimoy to Abrams and the writers.

I don't think there was ever an intention to omit him from the script, just an intention to keep talking about the movie as long as possible. Now we are on an excruciatingly long wait to next may (which would only be slightly less excruciating if it was until Christmas)- and there is zero talk about this movie EXCEPT in regards to Shatner. The entire purpose of this controversy is to keep everyone distracted from the real spoilers, to keep every talk show host asking Shatner about it, and to keep Trek somewhere in the public consciousness.

I think it is entirely possible that if the scenes are there, that VERY few people know about them. Possibly, just Nimoy, Shatner, and a dozen or so others. Methinks the most likely inclusion of Shatner is through Spock to Spock mindmelds, or an internal monologue of Spock's between Kirk and Spock. It is also possible that nothing has been shot yet, to reduce the possiblity of leaks.

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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:16:39 on Jun 17, 2008

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You can't just "put him in."


Apparently they can, even after film production has officially wrapped -- as Orci still holds the door open for Shatner...

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  By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:59:57 on Jun 17, 2008

  Sorry, I am just shocked you actually responded to a post. Usually you just copy and paste endless quotes and articles from other sources with no insight of your own.
  
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    By: Scorpius (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:47:25 on Jun 18, 2008

    Actually should be more, as usual you go on your anti-Shatner rant Steve. It's very boring.
    
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    By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:08:12 on Jun 17, 2008

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    Usually you just copy and paste endless quotes and articles from other sources with no insight of your own.
    
    
    Then it should be easy for you to post a link to proof of that.
    
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      By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:09:15 on Jun 17, 2008

      http://trekweb.com/articles/2008/06/14/William-Shatner-Says-He-Cherishes-His-Friendship-with-Leonard-Nimoy.shtml
      
      Second post down.. if you want Gustavo's job just ask him, heh.
      
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        By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:23:37 on Jun 17, 2008

        
        Star Trek media items, posted at a Star Trek news portal. Get over it.
        
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Subsequently he said he would require a part that was larger than this film could sustain.

WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU!? Shatner wanted to be in this film in a role that was more than just a voiceover, and in doing so (and in trying to explain away why he is magically alive again) - the whole mess would be too much, and too far a distraction from the ACTUAL plot of the movie.

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So in short, Orci's excuse is weak. If they want Shatner in the movie, PUT HIM IN THE MOVIE.

This is THEIR movie, if they don't want Shatner in the film or feel his presence would be too much of a distraction - that's their right! You can't just "put him in." The elder Kirk has been dead for 14 years, and the actor who played him looks 14 years older and heavier! The amount of subtexting needed to explain his presence would make the "Hey look, Worf is on the Enterprise and not on DS9? How convenient!" look natural...



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  By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:50:23 on Jun 17, 2008

  Again, if you read the whole thing, they weren't going by any direct demands from Shatner. To do that, they would have to actually speak to him directly, which they did not do.
  
  They were going by a comment that was made AFTER the script was written--to the press.
  
  It's a crock.
  
  You have Abrams trying to use Generations as an excuse, when if that truly were an issue, they never would have met with Shatner at all. And now you have Orci trying to use a comment by Shatner made after the script was written and he was told (by Nimoy) that he wasn't in the movie--to the press.
  
  You would think that given the major issue at hand, and the major controversy even the biggest Shatner hater can't deny exists, that these people might actually pick up the phone and TALK about it. But I guess common sense is not allowed in Hollywood.

  
  

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    You have Abrams trying to use Generations as an excuse, when if that truly were an issue, they never would have met with Shatner at all. And now you have Orci trying to use a comment by Shatner made after the script was written and he was told (by Nimoy) that he wasn't in the movie--to the press.
    
    (1) Generations is a pretty damn good excuse if you ask me. Kirk was KILLED and no longer lives in the 24th century or otherwise.
    
    (2) They met with Shatner out of respect to the fact that they had also met with Nimoy.. keeping in mind that putting Nimoy into the film was FAR more easy than trying to explain away why Kirk was magically alive again.
    
    Any sound filmmaker would have done the same. The film is about the YOUNG cast, not so much about the elderly ones.
    
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      By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:33:57 on Jun 17, 2008

      You're wrong pretty much on all counts. Nimoy is at the center of the film, and has a big role, so it IS about the original cast too.
      
      Second, they constantly said publicly that they were trying to get Shatner in the movie. Generations existed before they even came on board. They NEVER used Generations as an excuse until after they blew it. If Generations was an excuse, they would have said so from the beginning and never bothered to lie about it and keep public hopes up.
      
      As for explaining Kirk's return, given that the whole movie seems to be about Spock time travelling to prevent Kirk's death, there is no difference between the deaths he prevents, and Generations.
      
      There is no logical reason a scene at the end showing Shatner and Nimoy together can't be done.
      
      But rather than try, the producers CHOSE not to do it. They didn't even bother to TALK to the guy.
      
      No magic is needed. Just one scene.

      
      

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        By: rassmguy (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:40:25 on Jun 17, 2008

        Stillkirk regurgitated:
        "There is no logical reason a scene at the end showing Shatner and Nimoy together can't be done"
        
        
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          By: Scorpius (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:44:13 on Jun 18, 2008 | (1)

          Double post sorry.
          
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          By: Scorpius (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:43:55 on Jun 18, 2008

          Given that you havent seen the movie either you have no idea that what he's saying isn't perfectly logical. With what we've heard, sounds logical to me.
          
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By: Captain's Blog (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:23:15 on Jun 17, 2008

Put the big guy in after the end credits - the timeline isn't exactly restored, etc... He's alive again.

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By: IamKirok!!! (Odo's file, contact) @ 05:15:03 on Jun 17, 2008

I've heard all this demanding that Shatner be given a cameo if nothing else. What cameo would possibly work? What would not be so jarring it would throw you completely out of the film? I can never understand these two second cameos that are given to the actors who "used to play" the character when the movie is made, except as a way to mollify the most desperate of fans. You really want to see Shatner driving the shuttlecraft for somebody, or as some no-name Admiral, somebody's grandpa, or just some nobody who looks up in the sky as he sees the Enterprise being built, or some other thing?

And again, I reassure you, if there were any kind of negotiations, it took place through agents and studio representatives. Thats how it goes. It's not like the quaint idea of Shatner sitting in a room with the writers and them all banging ideas around. It doesn't work that way.

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  By: rnsierra (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:13:44 on Jun 17, 2008

  Shatner made a mistake in killing kirk,since he wanted more money,now he want more money in resurrecting kirk project.My advise Shatner go and jump in pool.yes,I know what you saz that day.people heart can be easily be broken by words.

  
  

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  • RE: What Cameo would fit Shatner? | Report this post to moderator
    By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:53:54 on Jun 17, 2008

    About the only thing you said that was true was that Shatner made a mistake in killing Kirk. Money for this movie clearly is no issue given that the producers didn't see fit to actually TALK to Shatner beyond that one initial meeting.
    
    The bottom line is that they screwed up royally, and they still have time to fix it. But that requires the art of dialing a phone, which is clearly beyond them.

    
    

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  By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:50:37 on Jun 17, 2008

  What cameo would be right? It's actually very simple. A scene at the end with Nimoy. The movie happens, the dust settles, and we see that Kirk and Spock are sticking around post-Generations.
  
  No one wants to see Shatner as any role other than Kirk. Given the plotline of the movie, it makes perfect sense.
  
  There were no negotiations. Orci is actually trying to convince us that the "cameo" comment actually was the reason he isn't in the movie, when that doesn't involve direct talks, was a comment to the press, and occurred AFTER the script was written.
  
  And SINCE that cameo comment, Shatner HAS been open to the cameo, as he HAS wondered why they couldn't even find a small role for him.
  
  So in short, Orci's excuse is weak. If they want Shatner in the movie, PUT HIM IN THE MOVIE. They have never shown him the script, and never made him an offer, and now, Orci is even admitting that much.

  
  

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    By: IamKirok!!! (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:34:26 on Jun 18, 2008

    Well, that's why you're sitting in your parents basement playing with Star Trek action figures and adults are living in Los Angeles writing movies.

    
    

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Oh Good Lord | Report this post to moderator
By: Jean-Luc (Odo's file, contact) @ 04:44:39 on Jun 17, 2008

and now with another year to go, who knows?

Thanks Mr. Orci for squeezing lighter fluid on the nearly extinguished flame that was this topic! I guarantee that speculation will continue about Shatner's involvement until the midnight preview screenings next May.

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  By: c.p. (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:33:09 on Jun 17, 2008

  I agree, and so that must be one reason he said it. If you're the media, you go to the house that's on fire and report about it. That's free publicity for a year.

  
  

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  By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:55:06 on Jun 17, 2008

  I don't think you have to worry too much about that. It seems that whenever the buzz dies down on this movie, they use Shatner's name to stir it up, and then fail to deliver.
  
  At this point, the word of any producer or writer on this movie concerning this topic is worthless. Until they get on the phone and actually TALK to the man, there's no reason to take them seriously.
  
  They've failed to deliver on this topic for too long to have any faith.
  
  When and if Shatner says something positive, I'll have hope. Until then, it's more of the same crap and a lame tease.

  
  

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Excuses | Report this post to moderator
By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 04:35:48 on Jun 17, 2008

If you read further into the interview, Orci uses Shatner's comment about cameos as the basis for the "bigger role" gag. The problem is, that they didn't talk to Shatner directly about it. Orci used some interview from Shatner as a basis.

Pretty convenient excuse, but not acceptable given that the producers of Star Trek did not get Shatner involved in serious negotiations.

If they truly wanted Shatner in the movie, even in a small role, they would have worked him in. They NEVER offered him anything. They never showed him the script. They never even bothered to continue talking with him again.

If that one quote from one interview is truly the reason Shatner isn't in the movie, that is pure incompetence on the part of the producers. It's 2008. Call the man directly.

I bet there's still time. But they won't do it, because they never wanted him in the movie.

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  By: falcon (Odo's file, contact) @ 05:13:03 on Jun 17, 2008

  Give.
  
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  Up.
  
  It is what it is. If folks won't watch it because Shatner's not in it, then so be it. There's plenty more money for the movie to make out there.
  
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    By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:56:40 on Jun 17, 2008

    You're right about some things. It is what it is. And the producers were liars who even NOW, are still giving a false hope. Like Scotty said, "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
    
    I simply don't believe a word Orci says on this topic. His credibility is long gone. Words are meaningless now. Only actions. But the excuse is just that. A lame excuse.

    
    

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