Finally, a producer with the balls to stand up to the "gimme, gimme, gimme" internet fanboy culture. You're supposed to know about the movie when you experience the movie.
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I bet the theatrical trailer is basically a two minute version of the movie and gives too much away... Trailers should now just feature specially shot footage or maybe cut scenes (or both).
That's actually less the trailer's fault and more the movie's fault. If all the good scenes of a film can be crammed into a 2-minute trailer? (see: Indiana Jones 4) -- then that means your movie is basically the one that should be faulted there...
-- Steve
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-- Steve
"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
Quote from JJ Abrams:
"I would argue that not knowing those details in advance is a more refreshing way to live when it comes to entertainment."
Ironically, Team Abrams ignore the Official Star Trek message boards to endorse the very spoiler-peddlers who'll print idle hearsay as fact.
You can't expect to lay with dogs but not get fleas, JJ. ;-)
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Ironically, Team Abrams ignore the Official Star Trek message boards to endorse the very spoiler-peddlers who'll print idle hearsay as fact.
Sorry, but if it wasn't for J.J., I would disown everything "officially" Paramount at this point. Robert Justman passed away a few days ago and did the corporate goons at Paramount bother to post anything on the main startrek.com page?
Of course not. Ever since they 'realigned' their interactive services division, the official website has been absolutely static.
Does anyone remember when the page used to change on a daily basis? Paramount is squandering an amazing chance to keep fans excited and unified and instead seem to have washed their hands of it. The only thing they've managed to do is link it to the movie page.
Once upon a time the site drew fans in and kept them up to date on events, be it Chase Masterson's latest album release or a treknology report on encrypted data streams, but now they treat it like a static archive and the few updates that do happen are never reflected on the site's front index page.
In short, my growing resentment at Paramount for abandoning the site continues to color my perception of a once beloved franchise and the only counter to that is JJ's relentless enthusiasm.
That, and the occasional rerun on Sci-Fi/Spike/G4 that reminds me why I fell in love in the first place.
Nemesis, for example, was a bad film, but was made worse by the absolute and relentless dissection of the script prior to release.
Balls to a few impatient fanboys - they can wait and so they should. The film will be so much stronger for it.
JJ is spot on with his handling of this project and I have faith in his judgement.
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JamesT
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Yes, JJ is correct. Hold off on the details. I also agree that the trailer should be random clips, even out takes so nothing is given away. So many movies now are encapsulated within that 2 minute trailer, it is not worth going to see. Live and love the suspense.
I bet the theatrical trailer is basically a two minute version of the movie and gives too much away... Trailers should now just feature specially shot footage or maybe cut scenes (or both).
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"...I think it would be wonderful years from now to see Star Trek come back with an equally talented new cast playing Spock and Kirk and Bones and Scotty and all the rest, as they say tomorrow's things to tomorrow's generations..." - Gene Roddenberry
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Frankly, I ruined First Contact for myself by knowing too much about it.
BINGO. That is exactly why I find it so refreshing that J.J. is keeping the jist of Star Trek in a secrecy vault -- a privelage only Star Wars films previously enjoyed. Let's put it this way... waiting for the film in May of 2009 might be a good thing in that you don't want to be the guy who had the ending for Sixth Sense ruined for him. If this is eating at you gentlemen, take up a hobby or something to distract you. :)
-- Steve
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-- Steve
"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
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The Star Wars prequels trailers gave lots away. They might have gone down better if they hadn't.
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"I would be happy for Star Trek to come along decades later with a new group of minds. I'd love someone to say, 'Besides this one, Gene Roddenberry's was nothing!'" - Gene Roddenberry
"...I think it would be wonderful years from now to see Star Trek come back with an equally talented new cast playing Spock and Kirk and Bones and Scotty and all the rest, as they say tomorrow's things to tomorrow's generations..." - Gene Roddenberry
Nomore spoilers, thank you. And no need for spoiler warnings when there are no spoilers at all.
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Nomore spoilers, thank you. And no need for spoiler warnings when there are no spoilers at all.
Granting your first request would obviate the second, no?
;-)
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Using the food analogy: There are spoilers, and there are appetizers. The former is generally haphazard filler, while the latter is designed to stimulate desire and complement the main meal to come.
Hearsay spoilers are whatever scraps that may be gleaned from a pan or dumpster -- random ingredients which might not be fully baked or properly garnished. They do not represent the completed entree or presentation.
The chef's (Abrams) appetizers can quell the feeling of starvation, whetting the appetite without ruining his feast's pièce de résistance.
Wishful thinking? Movie trailers are one appetizer dish.
Abrams has demonstrated he's a legitimate creative, something of a connoisseur at his craft. He's now also gatekeeper to the Star Trek franchise, with super-sizer access to the goodies vault. There's no practical limit to what he could cook up as fun finger snacks. There has never been more immediate and widespread (Web) multimedia access to popcorn-loving moviegoers.
Come on, JJ, think outside the "mystery box" which fascinates you so. ;-)
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If JJ's looking for support, he's got it. I don't want to know anything major about the movie---nothing I won't see in previews or advertisements. I could stand to see SOME of that content leaked on the viral site, etc, but I don't want anything more than that and I like the cast's dedication to the secrecy. Frankly, I ruined First Contact for myself by knowing too much about it.
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The spoiler bloggers won't respectfully put down their telephoto lenses or stop sifting through studio dumpsters. Spoiler scraps are their lifeblood and sense of power. Their gossip exchanges maintain a hearsay clusterfuck.
Abrams could create an online experience which will complement his projects with appetizers, not spoilers.
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He is absolutely right... movies are created to have their plots and stories delivered in a certain dramatic context. When you have little tidbits leaked and spoiled here and there, the rabid unknowledgeable fans misinterpret things and jump to conclusions. People can post on here saying certain producers and actors said this and that, to try and stregthen their argument.. "selling it" with hibrow vocabulary.. but what it comes down to is this. 'Star Trek' is JJ Abrams' project to make, not ours, and he has every right to want it delivered to us when it is actually FINISHED.. no matter how rabid a fan some may be. That's not deception, that's good art.
-- Steve
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-- Steve
"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
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He respects their hunger, but is convinced they are better off waiting...
Abrams doesn't respect that "hunger" when he uses it to bait fans for marketing schemes that advance his agenda.
Without an official go-to source, the thirsty fan will drink whatever koolaid is served by bloggers who seek a sense of power by their own celebrity as a seeming "insider". Walter Koenig recently panned the parasitic "blog personality". Aggressive gossipmongers can make their gullible readers believe there's no other credible source of news.
Get with the program, JJ. Create an informative (and fun) blog under Bad Robot auspices, otherwise just accept that you've already played a role in driving fans to gossip sites which spout hearsay with authority.
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Good for Abrams, and for what it's worth, I agree with him. It is certainly a refreshing throwback to the pre-Internet age when spoilers were few and far between. We heard about a movie, read magazine articles a few months before, saw the film, and was pleasantly surprised. Occasionally a spoiler would leak out (pre-released reports of Spock's death in Wrath of Khan was actually the first example of a major "spoiler" I ever encountered), but most of the time you never knew what was coming.
Unfortunately we live in a different time now, one which has developed an entire culture in which spoilers are not just as much a part of the anticipation process as those magazine articles used to be back in 1980-81.
I've already heard some grumblings of the "what are they trying to hide?" variety, plus some have already confused the "code of silence" with the same sort of shorthand "we know this film sucks" that studios use by refusing to allow critics to see the film before release. And you know there are hackers out there who won't sleep until they managed to obtain a leaked script to post to their blogs and forums.
I'm not saying Abrams should cave and allow spoilers. In fact I hope he sticks to his guns till next May. I just hope he's ready for a pretty tough battle over the next 12 months.
Al
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I disagree with Mr Abrams regarding spoilers on sites like TrekWeb, TrekMovie or AICN. I think spoilers are here to stay and I think we will see the entire script on the internet before the movie opens. Just a guess, of course. Lets wait and see how long he keeps his secrecy.
Gustavo
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A new trailer would be nice though..... =)
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I thank Abrams for his restraint. I imagine that he can't wait to get this movie out to the fans and the general audience. For far too long ST movies have basically been released before their official release date, whether through the leaking of the transcript, or through magazine articles. I want to know as little as possible before I walk into the theater sporting my tricorder, phaser, and Spock ears. ; ) (Just kidding...not that there's anything wrong with that. :P).
I'm a patient man, and I can wait. Though another teaser might be something to keep us fans satisfied. It's like one giant Christmas Eve waiting for this movie to be released. : )
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