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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:54:52 on May 28, 2008 | (2)

Here are video clips of Shatner's 1992 MTV Movie Awards musical performances. Not too shabby for a guy with a concussion and horse manure in his ears...


"I Wanna Sex You Up"

"(Everything I Do) I Do It For You"




MTV host Dennis Miller: "You know, balls-wise, Shatner has gone where no man has gone before."


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• RE: MTV Video | Report this post to moderator
  By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:14:53 on May 28, 2008

  *blip*

  
  

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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:49:17 on May 28, 2008

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Star Trek V needs a "remastered" directors edition DVD, like they did with The Motion Picture.

Shatner asked for that exact treatment for the ending when the 2-disc special edition DVD came out in 2004, but Paramount said "no". Star Trek V was just the victim of being scheduled at a bad time.. the summer of 1989 was crowded with special effects laden films and ILM had no teams left to tackle the fifth Star Trek feature.

After being sold on the mysterious cloud Shakari planet effect, Paramount packed up the ship models and had the special effects done by a small company out of New Jersey. The result? Less than inspiring effects, studio models that were overlit and a hastily thrown together "God with lighting bolts coming out of his eyes" effect that was done last minute, when the SINGLE rockman Shatner was given looked rediculous.

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  By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 03:14:40 on May 29, 2008

  Yep, I read all this in Mr Shatner's book Star Trek Movie Memories. Amazing book, BTW.
  
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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:42:25 on May 28, 2008 | (1)

TFF is mentioned in a new Shatner article by The Jewish Week...


"When Shatner was given the chance to direct the fifth Star Trek movie, The Final Frontier, he wanted the film to reflect a spiritual quest, the search for God, but it proved too controversial for the studio and the series' creator, Gene Roddenberry. Shatner wanted Kirk and Spock literally to go to hell to save a trapped Dr. McCoy, building up to encounters with God and the devil. But the film that was produced had the crew face a deluded Vulcan who believed he knew the path to the creator, and culminated in another clichéd science-fiction face-off with a god-complex alien. The film made money, but was the most poorly received in the series.

"With the death of Kirk in the seventh film in 1994, Shatner may have found closure with the role. But he has continued to pen Star Trek novels that take place in a non-apocryphal universe, and he knows that in sci-fi, no character is truly dead. Spock died in the third movie and returned in the fourth. Kirk may yet have a similar resurrection, but it's on no one's immediate radar. "I've lost some influence in that area because of the change in management," says Shatner, referring to the recent handoff of the franchise from Rick Berman to J.J. Abrams, who produced the forthcoming Star Trek prequel. That film, for the first time, features another actor as Kirk. Although he'd reprise the role if the right script came along, his preference, of course, would be to see one of his Trek novels made into a film."


Shatner tells the Telegraph UK, "I look back upon [Star Trek] as the miracle that changed my life."


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By: Nowhere Man (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:33:23 on May 28, 2008

"..[was too many] compromises. The original compromise was: Let's make it an alien who thinks he's God. "

What other compromises that were made other than special effects and concept. I like the movie. But, if they decide to remaster this movie, the special effects need a complete overhaul.

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Star Trek V The Final Frontier | Report this post to moderator
By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 12:21:32 on May 28, 2008

Since next year is the 20th anniversary of Star Trek V, I think Paramount should produce a "remastered" special edition version of the movie on DVD, with upgrade CGI special effects with the army of rockmen and so forth, thus giving the movie the epic scope Mr Shatner wanted in the first place.

I think Star Trek V is a good movie with poor special effects and, like TMP, deserves a new chance.

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• RE: Star Trek V The Final Frontier | Report this post to moderator
  By: rassmguy (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:37:29 on May 28, 2008

  I think Star Trek V is a better film than some give it credit for, and there are parts of it I actually do enjoy. I rewatched the six TOS films recently, and found that I enjoyed each and every one of them--even the odd-numbered ones. Still, TFF is definitely at the bottom of my list for the six films. (If I take all 10 films into account, it ranks above Nemesis and Generations.)
  
  The biggest problems with Trek V, for me, had nothing to do with special effects--rather, they were concept-based. For onething, there was simply no justifiable reason for anyone to follow Sybok.
  
  Okay, so he took away their pain...and they committed mutiny as a result? Then, when all was said and done, they cheerfully handed their allegiance back to Kirk...who never brought any of them up on charges for it, and in fact seemed to hold no grudge whatsoever? If Sybok wasn't brain-washing them, but rather was only removing their deep-seated pain, then why would that make them mutinous? And why would that not be a court-martial offense?
  
  Then there's the supposed humor element. Star Trek IV used humor intelligently, to great effect, but the humor in TFF just made all of the characters look stupid. Chekov actually thinking Uhura wouldn't know he was lying about where they were lost? Scotty banging his head on a bulkhead like some sort of Keystone Space-cop? "Not in front of the Klingns?" Fart jokes? Ugh. None of that, in my opinion--and feel free to disagree with me, everyone, of course--worked. It was all to the detriment of the characters and the film.
  
  And that's a shame, because there were also many things the film gets right. The comraderie between Kirk, Spock and McCoy, for instance, was some of the best in ANY of the films. The euthenasia scene with McCoy's dad was touching...despite the distracting and rather silly interruptions of Sybok. And despite the hokey premise and bad dialog, Lawrence Luckenbill was a lot of fun in the role, whatever that role's shortcomings may be. I also think the soundtrack is quite good.
  
  In fact, even some of the humor worked. "Hold your horse, Captain" made me chuckle, the dialog in the brig would have fit right in had it been in a TOS episode, McCoy's line about asking the Almighty for his ID very nearly makes up for Kirk's God-starship line.
  
  Ultimately, I would judge Star Trek V a failure...but it's not the effects that caused it to fail, and Shatner is unfortunately overlooking the much bigger issues if he thinks that's the case. The original series had FAR worse effects, and yet it was almost always enjoyable. Nothing in Trek V holds a czndle to pipe-cleaners and Styrofoam.
  
  In the end, what killed TFF, I would say, is the flawed premise. A lot of things can be overlooked in a movie if the basic premise is a good one...but if at its core the film just doesn't have a sound foundation (such as, say, having the Enterprise crew search for God), then nothing can save it.
  
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    By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 18:54:06 on May 28, 2008 | (1)

    I understand your points and I agree with some of them, but for me Star Trek V was NOT a failure.
    
    It was a good movie, with a great script which showcases the Kirk / Spock / McCoy friendship and features good directing by Mr Shatner. But in my opinion the FX were terrible and damaged the movie. But it is still a good movie.
    
    Star Trek V needs a "remastered" directors edition DVD, like they did with The Motion Picture.
    
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    • RE: Star Trek V The Final Frontier | Report this post to moderator
      By: VoR (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:26:20 on May 29, 2008

      I know I am in the minority here, but I've always liked STV.
      The shabby fx are pretty horrible at times, and if Paramount allowed Shatner to have his special edition, I think a much better movie would have resulted. But overall, The Final Frontier always makes me smile and I think is sooo much better than any of the TNG movies, except for First Contact.
      
      
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By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:44:55 on May 28, 2008

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I'm solidly behind being disappointed that I'm not in it ... It'll be interesting to see whether it is successful or not. If anyone can make Star Trek live, [Abrams] can do it. The question is: Is it still alive, or is it time for all of us to move on?

You know, in some earlier interviews it looked as though Shatner wasn't as bothered by all this as we felt he should -- but he really does seem irked that the franchise has moved on without him. I am sure it doesn't help that every time he is interviewed, he gets asked if he is pissed about not being in it. It is a tiresome subject, but until the movie is released or he dies of old age? We are going to hear about his disdain for a LONG time to come.

Out of fairness to him regarding Star Trek V? He did have to compromise far too much, and the movie that he wanted would have been better. B-level special effects house aside, the bulk of Star Trek V was good.. excellent soundtrack, neat ship sets, the shuttles and probably the best dialogue between Kirk, Spock and McCoy of all the films. It was just that darn ending that killed the film.. had Paramount opened up the purse strings for the rockmen Shatner wanted? Final Frontier could have been a solid entry in the film franchise.

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  By: Terry212 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 12:20:25 on May 28, 2008

  I don't really think a fight with rockmen would've elevated the story that much. And I understand it was supposed to be more heaven/devil...but, really, the idea wasn't that good. In fact, I prefer the alien being trapped alone and I like the scene where he's zapping them, in particular McCoy's stubborn defiance to reject a God that inflicts pain for his own pleasure. That, to me, was better than a fight against rock men.
  
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