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By: Captain's Blog (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:51:17 on May 12, 2008

Well, IF Spock needs a lift on a ship, there was no reason why Picard or Riker couldn't have been involved.

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  By: TommyHawk (Odo's file, contact) @ 00:03:44 on May 13, 2008

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  Well, IF Spock needs a lift on a ship, there was no reason why Picard or Riker couldn't have been involved.
  
  Unless it's further ahead in the future and they are either retired or dead.

  
  

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By: NEXUS (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:41:12 on May 11, 2008

Does anyone know if William Shatner was offered a cameo?

There seems to be a school of thought that would suggest he was offered a cameo and refused.

Can someone clear this up?

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  By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 23:48:46 on May 11, 2008 | (2)

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  There seems to be a school of thought that would suggest he was offered a cameo and refused.
  
  
  In an interview with Craig Ferguson, on 27 November 2006, Shatner says "I met with [J.J.], and he wants me to be in the movie."
  
  Shatner's staff maintains that there was never any formal offer.
  
  In one ShatnerVision video, Shatner argues the case for being "worth the salary". Did he tell Abrams that a cameo-sized paycheck is unacceptable, thereby precluding such an offer? There'd be ongoing talks between Abrams and Paramount over Shatner's salary expectations.
  
  Rather than initiate another powwow with Abrams, Shatner went with "I know nothing! It's bad business!" publicity. This can't have won any warm and fuzzy feelings from the studio.
  
  Unless Team Abrams did fib, it appears the door was held open for Shatner -- for many weeks after production had commenced -- with Orci et al ready to include elder Kirk if Shat signed on in the 11th hour.
  
  One might say, "I don't believe Abrams", on a gut hunch -- but "Abrams lied!" begs some evidence.
  
  
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    By: TommyHawk (Odo's file, contact) @ 00:11:44 on May 13, 2008

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    Unless Team Abrams did fib, it appears the door was held open for Shatner -- for many weeks after production had commenced -- with Orci et al ready to include elder Kirk if Shat signed on in the 11th hour.
    
    I don't recall it ever being implied that they were "waiting around for Shatner." In fact it seemed to be a case of them not finding anything for Shatner and the fact that his character was dead in Generations that stopped *that* future Kirk from appearing.

    
    

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      By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 05:12:25 on May 13, 2008 | (2)

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      I don't recall it ever being implied that they were "waiting around for Shatner." In fact it seemed to be a case of them not finding anything for Shatner and the fact that his character was dead in Generations that stopped *that* future Kirk from appearing.
      
      
      Is that the informed opinion of an avid TM reader? Tsk-tsk. ;-)
      
      The WGA strike began on 5 November 2007. Filming of ST:XI commenced on 7 November 2007. Just prior to Xmas 2007, producer David Lindelof said it was still possible to include Shatner, if he wanted: "Obviously it would be HUGE if Mr. Shatner wanted to be any part of the franchise. It's a challenge for us, though, because they killed Kirk off ... But hey, it's Trek, anything's possible, right?"
      
      On 19 January 2008, co-writer Roberto Orci was asked, "After JJ's interview yesterday, is the Shatner thing closed and ended now, or still open?" Orci's reply: "I don't honestly know. Much still up in the air." The WGA strike ended on 12 February 2008. Principal photography of ST:XI was completed on 27 March 2008.
      
      Apparently, it was Shatner's call to make, until the production clock ran out.
      
      
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    By: NEXUS (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:55:49 on May 12, 2008

    Very interesting.
    
    Thanks T Rexx

    
    

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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:00:12 on May 11, 2008

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Actually, there exist a fair number of good reasons as to why this movie shouldn't be a vehicle for catering to the whims of a relative handful of actor obsessed fanatics...


Yet that's exactly what ST:XI was to be, since Team Abrams desperately wanted to put Shatner in their script. Abrams deemed this an appropriate goal, despite GEN. Well into the WGA strike, meathead Orci posted loaded words about the possibility.

Just prior to Xmas, Damon Lindelof said "There are still ongoing talks" about Shatner. And, a real kicker: "Obviously it would be huge if Mr. Shatner wanted to be any part of the franchise. It's a challenge for us, though, because they killed Kirk off ... But hey, it's Trek, anything's possible, right?"

Along with Abrams' nod to Shatner's kibosh of cameos, Lindelof alludes that this was a matter of what Shatner wanted.

You bluster about how "this movie shouldn't be a vehicle for catering to the whims of a relative handful of actor obsessed fanatics" -- a group that includes Team Abrams.


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  By: The Real Dr McCoy (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:42:21 on May 11, 2008 | (2)

  While I'm flattered that you felt that a response to my reply deserved its own top-level thread, you might want to consider what the usage policies here say about that sort of thing.
  
  "Yet that's exactly what ST:XI was to be, since Team Abrams desperately wanted to put Shatner in their script. Abrams deemed this an appropriate goal, despite GEN."
  
  No, wanting to include Shatner in the script if possible without making significant sacrifices to the storyline isn't the same thing. I've no problem with an attempt to find a way to include Shatner, nor do I think that doing so inherently would make the movie "a vehicle for catering to the whims of a relative handful of actor obsessed fanatics". I just don't think that effort should supersede the other overall goals of the movie. I don't think that anything that Orci or Abrams' crew have said evidenced nefarious motives, deceit, or putting their vision of the movie aside for the sake of casting for a single role. Most of those accusations stem from anger over a decision made movies ago, not from reasonable or well-supported arguments. They almost always boil down to the "Well, this is sci-fi and time travel. They said they wanted to, and if they didn't do it then they must have been lying" non-sequitur.
  
  Abrams' and Co's comments have evidenced a desire not to sacrifice their larger goals for the sake of a single casting decision, something that efforts to try to accommodate the latter do not contradict. The kind of binary thinking that doesn't recognize the distinction is exactly the same type of nonsense that's behind the "Well, they said they wanted to do include Shatner, and now that they're not, so THEY MUST HAVE LIED!!!" bullshit. Frankly, that kind of infantile illogic is the kind of thing that negatively stigmatizes Trek fans, and I would hope that most are capable of better.
  
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    By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:05:18 on May 11, 2008

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    Abrams' and Co's comments have evidenced a desire not to sacrifice their larger goals for the sake of a single casting decision, something that efforts to try to accommodate the latter do not contradict.
    
    
    Team Abrams' "vision" was allowed to stoke the fans about Shatner. Orci's remarks were so loaded that one of Shatner's staff requested he back off, for the sake of fan upset.
    
    A competent project manager avoids rousing false hope, especially among fans known to feel as though they've been shafted by studio brass. Abrams did not put his creative credibility at risk -- from the get-go, he knew how to include Shatner in a bookend role. Nimoy alluded this, when he spoke about the very first communication from Abrams, back in autumn 2006.
    
    The evidence indicates that Team Abrams' "larger goals" were thwarted by Captain "I don't do cameos," not creative ideals.
    
    StillKirok's response is irrational, as is your venom toward a group which includes Team Abrams.
    
    
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      By: The Real Dr McCoy (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:25:15 on May 11, 2008 | (2)

      
      I agree that Shatner's "I don't do cameos" stance likely closed the door on the opportunity for him to appear, but that doesn't mean that, en absentia, it was left wide open by Abrams and Co.
      
      You've acknowledged that Stillkirok et al's stance is irrational, yet you object to "venom" being directed at it. You assert an equivocation between Stillkirok's ongoing obsession and the actions of Abrams' team, but you've yet to provide a compelling argument that somehow connects the "Shatner-or-bust" tripe that we see posted over and over again here and what's been done by Abrams and his team.
      
      StillKirok's repetition of the same, pathetic argument is irrational, but so is your attempt to cast Abrams' team as one in the same. I recognize a difference between the actions of the Abrams' team and the kind of rhetoric that we've witnessed from our resident Shatner cultists. Whether or not you are capable of understanding this distinction doesn't make it any less tangible.
      
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        By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:54:45 on May 11, 2008

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        I agree that Shatner's "I don't do cameos" stance likely closed the door on the opportunity for him to appear, but that doesn't mean that, en absentia, it was left wide open by Abrams and Co.
        
        
        Are you daft? Do you believe that Orci was just idly tormenting the fans, even after filming had commenced? Do you believe that Lindelof really didn't know "if" Shatner had an interest in the film? ("Obviously it would be HUGE if Mr. Shatner wanted to be any part of the franchise.")
        
        Team Abrams put a spotlight on what Shatner wanted.
        
        You try hard to appear über intelligent, but allowing StillKirok to live so large under your skin shows that you're overwhelmed by your own fanaticisms.
        
        
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By: Postdoc (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:19:17 on May 10, 2008

I just hope they leave the TOS timelime intact. Seeing the original show changed into an alternate universe would be weird.

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By: IamKirok!!! (Odo's file, contact) @ 05:40:45 on May 10, 2008

This isn't exactly a revelation, right? I guess when they said old Spock would be involved, I assumed it would start off in Next Gen territory.

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  By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:34:15 on May 10, 2008

  Quote from IamKirok!!!:
  This isn't exactly a revelation, right?
  
  
  Right, if last year's rumors are a given, this is just a few ounces more of Ambassador-Spock-relief-for-closeted-prequel-haters during a slow news period.
  
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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:43:05 on May 09, 2008 | (1)

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Here's the entirety of Abrams' latest remark: "It looks at the formation of the core characters from Star Trek, so it serves as a prequel, but it's also more than that."

That's it.

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  By: TommyHawk (Odo's file, contact) @ 01:41:06 on May 10, 2008

  "That's it.
  
  Anything else is blogger hearsay or mass hysteria."
  
  If you go to TrekMovie.com, you will see that they actually have independently confirmed that this starts off Post-Nemesis era.

  
  

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    By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 03:25:07 on May 10, 2008

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    If you go to TrekMovie.com, you will see that they actually have independently confirmed that this starts off Post-Nemesis era.
    
    
    That plot detail was asserted by Aint It Cool News back in August 2007.
    
    When you hear it from someone involved with ST:XI, then it's "confirmed". Otherwise, it's regurgitated hearsay.
    
    
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      By: TommyHawk (Odo's file, contact) @ 01:45:01 on May 11, 2008

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      That plot detail was asserted by Aint It Cool News back in August 2007.
      
      Maybe, but changes nothing about TrekMovie independently confirming other details with Paramount or people involved in the film. TrekMovie are actually involved with Bob Orci and the other writing team, have hosted events with them such as the "Grand Slam" and the only Q&A session involving the key people involved in the movie. Robert Orci is even a somewhat regular poster in the comments section.
      
      With all that said, are you attempting to imply that TrekMovie are merely repeating AICN's "report" and passing it off as their own, or are even perhaps making it up???
      
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      When you hear it from someone involved with ST:XI, then it's "confirmed". Otherwise, it's regurgitated hearsay.
      
      You seem very determined to debunk what TM.com said. They would have confirmed it with someone involved from Star Trek 11. End of discussion.

      
      

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        By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 02:36:56 on May 11, 2008

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        They would have confirmed it with someone involved from Star Trek 11.
        
        
        AICN didn't get the info from Santa Claus.
        
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          By: TommyHawk (Odo's file, contact) @ 03:03:30 on May 11, 2008

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          AICN didn't get the info from Santa Claus.
          
          Not talking about AICN here since the article says TrekMovie confirmed this.
          
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          You don't grasp what hearsay is, which makes you particularly gullible.
          
          Umm no. Sorry.
          
          Okay then, we'll have it your way... TrekMovie is making it up.

          
          

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            By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 03:15:14 on May 11, 2008

            Quote from TommyHawk:
            Not talking about AICN here since the article says TrekMovie confirmed this.
            
            
            AICN "confirmed" the same info in August 2007.
            
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              By: rassmguy (Odo's file, contact) @ 06:34:30 on May 12, 2008

              "AICN "confirmed" the same info in August 2007."
              
              Sorry, but comparing AICN with TrekMovie is like comparing George Bush with...well, anyone else worth knowing. AICN never confirms anything--they just post things without bothering to do the homework, and when people call them on their incredibly shoddy reporting, they ignore it and never admit they got it wrong. They also steal other sites' news and act as if it's an AICN exclusive. TrekMovie, on the other hand, actually goes out of its way to do real reporting with an actual journalistic ethic. AICN is useless garbage. TrekMovie is a credible site. One confirms its stories before posting them, and the other is AICN.
              
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                By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:46:37 on May 12, 2008

                Quote from rassmguy:
                AICN never confirms anything--
                
                
                Which doesn't change the fact that AICN unearthed the same info LAST YEAR.
                
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      By: TommyHawk (Odo's file, contact) @ 01:44:15 on May 11, 2008

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      That plot detail was asserted by Aint It Cool News back in August 2007.[/eq]
      
      Maybe, but changes nothing about TrekMovie independently confirming other details with Paramount or people involved in the film. TrekMovie are actually involved with Bob Orci and the other writing team, have hosted events with them such as the "Grand Slam" and the only Q&A session involving the key people involved in the movie. Robert Orci is even a somewhat regular poster in the comments section.
      
      With all that said, are you attempting to imply that TrekMovie are merely repeating AICN's "report" and passing it off as their own, or are even perhaps making it up???
      
      [q]When you hear it from someone involved with ST:XI, then it's "confirmed". Otherwise, it's regurgitated hearsay.
      
      You seem very determined to debunk what TM.com said. They would have confirmed it with someone involved from Star Trek 11. End of discussion.

      
      

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What I don't get... (Long Post) | Report this post to moderator
By: PeteFernbaugh (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:09:09 on May 09, 2008

What I don't get...actually, what I haven't gotten since tidbits about the movie were revealed is, "Why?"

Why do we need a reboot (if it is indeed a reboot)? What's wrong with Trek as it is? Even with all the canon, it's still possible to make a new movie accessible to the general public. I didn't start watching Trek regularly until midway through Voyager's seventh season, and even then, it didn't seem all that inaccessible.

The essence of Star Trek is pretty simple to grasp--starship in space with a captain and his/her crew encountering strange new worlds and boldly going where no one has gone before. When the Klingons are the villain, they're always identified as the Klingons...not hard to grasp that. Same for the Romulans, etc. etc. Part of the fun of watching the franchise so late in the game is discovering all that has gone before.

LOST is much more inaccessible than Trek, and it's only been on for four years!! I think Star Trek has been given a bad rap in the last decade or so, especially in light of the numerous serialized television shows that demand gargantuan amounts of time from viewers. One can devote as much time as one wants to Trek without losing track. Like I said before, boiled down, it's not all that complex.

And if Paramount is trying to shed Trek of its (once again, unfair) "nerd/geek image," they'll have to do a lot more than recast the original series with pretty-boy-and-girl actors, forget all that has gone before, make it look like STAR WARS, and act like the past is best left in the past.

It's got to be pure arrogance and snobbery (and profit margins) that is motivating Paramount and Co. to do a reboot (if it is indeed a reboot).

And for those who think that the Rikers should be the focus of a new TV series or the next movie (I would prefer a TV series), I'm there. I think Riker is a cool enough character, interesting and complex, to make STAR TREK: TITAN the answer to Trek's ratings woes.

After all, Trek is primarily a creature of TV. That's why the movies have always seemed to be more intimate and familial than say, oh...I dunno...STAR WARS. (It's also why TMP didn't work so well...it was trying to be what it was not. Memo that to Abrams.)

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  By: Captain's Blog (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:52:21 on May 12, 2008

  Ditto Titan on TV.
  
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  By: TheKeeper (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:57:04 on May 10, 2008

  You made some good points here about the franchise's accessibility.

  
  

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  You made some good points here about the franchise's accessibility.

  
  

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By: NEXUS (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:50:34 on May 09, 2008

If this second time line rumor is to be believed. It seems logical that Spock would preserve the time line that we currently are familiar with. Thus no role for William Shatner as Kirk. His Kirk will remain dead because Spock will succeed in saving their time line.

On the other hand Nero's actions will somehow create an alternative time line that Spock can't change. It that second time line all the characters and situations will be starting with a clean slate.

Pine's version of Kirk (as well as every other character) will not have his fate set in stone. In this time line Kirk does not die a stupid death by falling off a bridge. On the other hand any of the characters could die.

It's the perfect compromise. All that has gone before will stand. At the same time these characters will be able to go in any direction the writers choose.

I'd bet my life that somewhere in the film it is explained that there are an endless number of alternate universes. It some of those universes Spock remained dead. Kirk never dies. Khan defeated the Enterprise...etc. All the BBK people can rejoice that in some universe Kirk is still alive. Perhaps the Scotty for "Relics" is from one of those Alternative universes?

This is clearly the way they are going. The possibilities are endless.

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  By: cnathanw (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 13:28:14 on May 10, 2008

  Why does everyone assume it's a complete reboot and/or alternate timeline?
  
  This prequel could ALREADY BE IN THE CURRENT TIMELINE. The timeline we have come to love and enjoy may be a result of the yet unseen movie. Why not?
  
  There may be some inconsistencies to the story and there may be some different look and feel to things, but that doesn't devalue what's come before.
  
  When you read a novel, you superimpose the characters and situations into an environment you are familiar with. What we've seen for years is a REPRESENTATION of the 1701 and it's interiors... Why not a new representation of that?
  
  I think the summer movie blockbuster reasoning is a smokescreen...they pushed the movie off to get more time to get TOSsers buy-in and acceptence.

  
  

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  By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:15:20 on May 10, 2008

  Um, if Spock is going around travelling in time, preventing Kirk from dying, there is no reason Shatner's Kirk can't be alive at the end of the movie, post Generations.
  
  Abrams blew it, and no amount of excuse making for him will change that.

  
  

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    StillKirk, please wrote a new one-man show. The one you've performing for months now no longer has an audience. Thank you.
    
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    By: The Real Dr McCoy (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:31:57 on May 11, 2008

    
    Actually, there exist a fair number of good reasons as to why this movie shouldn't be a vehicle for catering to the whims of a relative handful of actor obsessed fanatics, and they've been brought up enough times in enough threads on this very board that I'd venture that most of the regulars here are more than familiar with them.
    
    I doubt the ongoing proof by assertion effort will be sufficient to prompt many others to ignore that reality, but perhaps the cathartic comfort of repeating the same old nonsense ad infinitum will be of some benefit for you.
    
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    By: NEXUS (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:18:05 on May 10, 2008

    Agreed.
    
    Shatner should be in this film.

    
    

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      By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:53:48 on May 10, 2008 | (1)

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      Shatner should be in this film.
      
      
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By: Blessedwith3 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 15:27:05 on May 09, 2008

And truth be told, I haven't even watched the "Dreaded Episode" yet. I guess I've just been avoiding it..

But, what would it be like, after the starting credits roll we get treated to a big sweeping view of the "Titan" with the Rikers and spock on board.

I wouldn't be complaining too loudly I think....

Maybe we should watch for reports if Marina Sirtis "Visits" the set of JJ Trek.

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  By: Jean-Luc (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:25:39 on May 09, 2008

  Riker will be gay and Troi will be played by Tom Cruise.
  
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By: JagMan (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 13:23:00 on May 09, 2008

If it begins in the Next Gen era this would seem to indicate that everything from the Next Gen on remains untouched but TOS era gets a new look across the board to match the look of Trek from 1979 on.

My take:

TOS ERA: New look, new actors, more closely resembles everything post TOS.

TOS Movie era: All remains the same with the original cast now essentially older versions of their new, younger counterparts.

TNG Era: All remains the same.

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  By: sb2004 (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:02:54 on May 09, 2008

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  If it begins in the Next Gen era this would seem to indicate that everything from the Next Gen on remains untouched but TOS era gets a new look across the board to match the look of Trek from 1979 on.
  
  My take:
  
  TOS ERA: New look, new actors, more closely resembles everything post TOS.
  
  
  It'll be interesting to see how the fanbase reacts to this, considering they crucified Berman and Braga for basically doing the same thing by having the Enterprise series with a "modern" look.
  
  Unfortunately there's one big spoiler (actually 3 big spoilers): "Relics", "Trials and Tribble-ations" and "In a Mirror Darkly", none of which will match an "updated" TOS. And even those who choose to ignore anything connected to Enterprise can't ignore two of the most beloved TNG and DS9 episodes...
  
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  By: hiikeeba (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:25:32 on May 09, 2008

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  If it begins in the Next Gen era this would seem to indicate that everything from the Next Gen on remains untouched but TOS era gets a new look across the board to match the look of Trek from 1979 on.
  
  My take:
  
  TOS ERA: New look, new actors, more closely resembles everything post TOS.
  
  TOS Movie era: All remains the same with the original cast now essentially older versions of their new, younger counterparts.
  
  TNG Era: All remains the same.
  
  
  
  Except for that part where Chekov is 12 years younger than Kirk (see Who Mourns for Adonis). The new film will make everyone about the same age and in the Academy at the same time.
  
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    By: rassmguy (Odo's file, contact) @ 06:23:11 on May 12, 2008

    "The new film will make everyone about the same age and in the Academy at the same time."
    
    
    There's been no indication of that whatsoever.
    
    
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    By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 15:47:30 on May 09, 2008

    Remember that according to rumors, when Spock and Nero goes back in time, they change history, so future TOS movies with this new crew take place in an alternate timeline. Thats why it is call a reboot.
    
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      By: mustangman289 (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:50:56 on May 09, 2008

      Oh, great.
      
      That means all that we know about "our" movies only applies to this dead-end timeline we are in.
      
      Let's see what they do with "The Wrath of Kahn" with the new crew.

      
      

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        By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:03:59 on May 09, 2008

        Quote from mustangman289:
        That means all that we know about "our" movies only applies to this dead-end timeline we are in.
        
        
        There was no rumor about elder Spock disrupting TOS history (canon) in ST:XI. The rumor said Spock protects history from time-stumbling Romulans...
        
        
        "Picture an incident that throws a group of Romulans back in time. Picture that group of Romulans figuring out where they are in the timeline, then deciding to take advantage of the accident to kill someone's father, to erase them from the timeline before they exist, thereby changing all of the TREK universe as a result. Who would you erase? Whose erasure would leave the biggest hole in the TREK universe is the question you should be asking.
        
        "Who else, of course, but James T. Kirk?
        
        "If Spock were in a position to change that incident back, and then in a position to guard that timeline and make sure things happen the way they're supposed to, it creates...
        
        "... well, what does it create? Because evidently the plan is to use this second timeline as a way of rebooting without erasing or ignoring canon."
        
        
        It doesn't matter if there's a temporary glitch ("Universe2") in the TOS timeline. We've seen that type of thing before.
        
        There's nothing new in the latest rumor about ST:XI starting in elder Spock's timeframe. Earlier rumors said Nimoy's Spock pursues 24th century Romulans back in time to save young Kirk.
        
        
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          By: NEXUS (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:37:04 on May 09, 2008

          If these rumors are true Kirk lives.

          
          

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            By: mustangman289 (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:23:55 on May 10, 2008

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            If these rumors are true Kirk lives.
            
            Do you mean young Kirk or the Kirk on Veridian III?

            
            

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By: JagMan (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 13:16:09 on May 09, 2008

Hmmmm....

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  By: Jean-Luc (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:24:25 on May 09, 2008

  I mean, it's not like Riker was taking the Titan to Romulus at the end of NEM or anythi...Oh damn.
  
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  By: Paularino (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:23:25 on May 09, 2008

  I swear, if I see Frakes or any other TNG-era people besides Nimoy/Spock, I will walk out of the film. We already had that crap with the end of "Enterprise," and we saw how crappy that was.
  
  Except maybe Picard. Any chance to see Patrick Stewart is worth it...but Frakes? I'll walk and I'll demand a refund.

  
  

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    By: cnathanw (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 14:46:17 on May 09, 2008

    I'd love to see someone from TNG w/ Spock. Stewart makes sense as he dealt with Spock in the cross-over episodes and he had melded w/ Sarek. But that's all fan-boy trekkie knowledge the general public may not be knowledgeable of. But Stewart is more "ego-centric" (still love him) and needs a big juicy part to be involved with something.
    
    Frakes is more committed to the story/franchise IMHO. Having him aboard the Titan delivering Spock to some location, even as a face in the background with no real interaction provides all the more continuity without a huge plot committment from JJ's people. It's either that or some nameless captain ferrying Spock to the location... why not someone we know?

    
    

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      By: Eon Strife (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:32:19 on May 09, 2008

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      I'd love to see someone from TNG w/ Spock. Stewart makes sense as he dealt with Spock in the cross-over episodes and he had melded w/ Sarek. But that's all fan-boy trekkie knowledge the general public may not be knowledgeable of. But Stewart is more "ego-centric" (still love him) and needs a big juicy part to be involved with something.
      
      Frakes is more committed to the story/franchise IMHO. Having him aboard the Titan delivering Spock to some location, even as a face in the background with no real interaction provides all the more continuity without a huge plot committment from JJ's people. It's either that or some nameless captain ferrying Spock to the location... why not someone we know?
      
      - Frakes visited the Set
      - They showed the Titan model (narrated by Wil Wheaton and Tim Russ) in one of the exhibition.
      
      Something is fishy here

      
      

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      By: Eon Strife (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:32:03 on May 09, 2008

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      I'd love to see someone from TNG w/ Spock. Stewart makes sense as he dealt with Spock in the cross-over episodes and he had melded w/ Sarek. But that's all fan-boy trekkie knowledge the general public may not be knowledgeable of. But Stewart is more "ego-centric" (still love him) and needs a big juicy part to be involved with something.
      
      Frakes is more committed to the story/franchise IMHO. Having him aboard the Titan delivering Spock to some location, even as a face in the background with no real interaction provides all the more continuity without a huge plot committment from JJ's people. It's either that or some nameless captain ferrying Spock to the location... why not someone we know?
      
      - Frakes visited the Set
      - They showed the Titan model (narrated by Wil Wheaton and Tim Russ) in one of the exhibition.
      
      Something is fishy here

      
      

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    By: OV-101 (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:42:10 on May 09, 2008

    I don't think there's any threat of Frakes, Sirtis or any of the TNG crew in this movie. It does not mean their characters will not be referenced. The worst possible think would be to hear those hidious words, "Computer, end program." Its like fingernails on a chalkboard. Eeek!
    
    I like Frakes and it is not his fault that the story sucked bigtime, thanks to someone I shall not mention.
    
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      By: cnathanw (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 14:51:57 on May 09, 2008

      You know, it wouldn't have been so bad if they had "ended program" and THEN flash back to the past and see Archer walk up to the platform and deliver his first few words or show him being sworn in as Federation President...at least end the episode in the PreTOS era.....
      
      Or show them at a service for Trip, something....
      
      They could still film that and insert in a DVD release!!!!! Fix it!

      
      

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        By: Nuclearmothman (Odo's file, contact) @ 23:20:41 on May 10, 2008

        "These Are The Voyages" was less about Star Trek and more about Berman and Braga massaging their egos. Otherwise, why would they think it was a good idea to make the finale basically an episode of TNG? Oh, wait, these are the guys that had the Ferengi and the Borg show up a hundred years before first contact!
        
        Berman and Braga clearly had no interest in TOS. It was all about TNG for them. (Even in Nemesis, Berman had Logan reference the previous three TNG films, yet there was not even a mention of Ambassador Spock being on Romulus).
        
        So, B&B had no respect to TOS, and in the end, they couldn't even muster any respect for their own original characters, relegating them to a holodeck program.
        
        Then again, Nemesis didn't do the TNG characters any favors either.
        
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