Be on the lookout for a clarification of that statement very shortly. This is the last thing Paramount wants.
"What Harrison Ford is so great at doing is bringing that quality to his characters that if they could be anywhere else in the world they would be there, but he is not, he just is in the middle of s*** and he has to figure out a way of dealing with it so that he can go back to doing whatever the hell he was doing before the film started."
Yeah, fine, except that what Indy was doing before the film started was teaching and lecturing. Yes, he liked his 'field trips' but as Pine says, it's obvious he'd have rather been back on campus.
But Kirk? No way would he have rather been anywhere but on the bridge of the 1701! Even when he's in the middle of a galactic pickle you get the feeling that this is what Kirk lives for - the excitement, the rush, the challenge.
I like a lot of what Pine has said to date, but I hope he's just got this one a little wrong. The wry humour of Indy, I can accept - but The Shat had plenty of that as well. But Kirk belongs on the bridge and he (Kirk) knows it!
Why not model your Kirk after Shatner's Kirk? I don't get it. Qunito, Pegg, Yelchin, Cho, have all said they are basically hororing the original actors with their performances, so whats the deal with Pine? It's like Pine is trying to distance himself as much as possible from Shatner.
Y'know, I can totally accept all the other new actors for the original characters in this movie except for Pine. If I am not blown away by the trailer or reviews, there is no way I am seeing this movie. Its not worth my money to get upset over it. The casting of Pine was a big mistake, in my opinion.
I want to like this movie and be hopeful that it will be a great Star Trek movie, but statements like Pine modeling his Kirk after Han Solo makes it hard to so.
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It's like Pine is trying to distance himself as much as possible from Shatner.
So were it you in the part, you'd rather set yourself up for the inevitable "Shatner was better" or "Cheap attempt at a knock off" comments by emulating the original actor?
Sure, that sounds like a great plan. Cause I mean, I'm certain nobody will be attacking because he's not Shatner, why not give them more ammo.
*eye roll*
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"The idea of doing an impression of William Shatner… it would have no shot at succeeding. The character is Jim Kirk, not William Shatner." - Chris Pine
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I am not saying he SHOULD emulate Shatner's performance, that would be just a parody. I'm just saying that it sounds like Pine, unlike the other new actors, is distancing himseld from Shatner and wants to make a whole new character who happens to be named Captain Kirk.
Captain Kirk is not Han Solo.
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I dunno...Kirk's "off the cuff" solution in "The Corbomite Maneuver" was more than a bit Han Solo-ish...
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Why not model your Kirk after Shatner's Kirk? I don't get it. Qunito, Pegg, Yelchin, Cho, have all said they are basically hororing the original actors with their performances, so whats the deal with Pine? It's like Pine is trying to distance himself as much as possible from Shatner.
Y'know, I can totally accept all the other new actors for the original characters in this movie except for Pine. If I am not blown away by the trailer or reviews, there is no way I am seeing this movie. Its not worth my money to get upset over it. The casting of Pine was a big mistake, in my opinion.
I want to like this movie and be hopeful that it will be a great Star Trek movie, but statements like Pine modeling his Kirk after Han Solo makes it hard to so.
I don't really think Pine gave a whole lot of forethought to his comments about Indy and Kirk. But in a way, he's right. Indiana Jones usually finds himself in situations not of his choosing nor of his creation, and he has to find a way out while also appearing to save the day. The same could be said of James T. Kirk. He doesn't actively seek out danger, but when he finds himself in the middle of it he finds a way out (and since he has 430 crewmembers to consider, he'd damn well better be successful). Thus the phrase "accidental hero". He didn't mean that either Jones or Kirk "bumbles" their way into heroics.
I tend to think that what Pine meant is that Kirk would find himself at home in an archaeological dig or trying to outwit the Nazis, just as Jones would find himself at home on the bridge of an aircraft carrier (or a starship). Both men have a commanding presence. And let's not forget - Jones is a university professor, and Kirk is technically an explorer and scientist, not just a starship captain. You don't get to be one unless you have a fair grasp of the sciences (and let's not forget, Kirk reprogrammed the Kobayashi Maru scenario so he could save the ship - a feat that no doubt takes considerable skills).
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Yes. Yes. Exactly. It's always been there in Shatner's Kirk. I love that Pine has picked up on that. If he had just said that Shatner's portrayal was ALSO a major influence on his performance he'd be entirely in the clear, I think. Instead he leaves the reader open to conclude the opposite is the case.
Isn't there a line in The Voyage Home where Kirk mutters under his breath, "Always the hard way..." I love that line because it's a subtle recognition of the audacity of the pickles he and his crew find themselves in over and over again. It's almost like he leaves the movie for just a second an acknowledges how ridiculous the situation is.
Growing up, my Mom would complain when I had Trek on the TV at the dinner table saying, "Oh, they're always in trouble." Meyer was sly at putting that exasperation into Kirk's character. "Once again we've saved civilization as we know it," is the way Kirk sums up the Enterprise's last mission. This is a reluctant hero and they always make the best ones.
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Yes. Yes. Exactly. It's always been there in Shatner's Kirk. I love that Pine has picked up on that. If he had just said that Shatner's portrayal was ALSO a major influence on his performance he'd be entirely in the clear, I think. Instead he leaves the reader open to conclude the opposite is the case.
Isn't there a line in The Voyage Home where Kirk mutters under his breath, "Always the hard way..." I love that line because it's a subtle recognition of the audacity of the pickles he and his crew find themselves in over and over again. It's almost like he leaves the movie for just a second an acknowledges how ridiculous the situation is.
Growing up, my Mom would complain when I had Trek on the TV at the dinner table saying, "Oh, they're always in trouble." Meyer was sly at putting that exasperation into Kirk's character. "Once again we've saved civilization as we know it," is the way Kirk sums up the Enterprise's last mission. This is a reluctant hero and they always make the best ones.
Wow, great examples.
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I think his line is actually, "It's always something." Which is even better, I think.
I still swear somebody in some movie says, "Always the hard way," or "Never the easy way," or something like that. Help me out.
So in Pine's vision of Kirk he's a totally accidental, almost clumsy hero?
The character of Kirk was never accidental and I hope Pine's a bad enough actor to have completely failed to bring to life his own ideas to the character and Abrams has just shaped him the correct way. Very disappointing.
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"Not to say that I modeled my version of James T Kirk on anything in particular, but I think I definitely have wanted to bring that kind of Harrison Ford humour to Kirk."
Kirk did share that sort of humour with his comrades. TOS has playful background music for it.
Of course Pine has his own ideal about swashbucklers. Most everyone does. As long as the ST:XI script doesn't misfit James Kirk with an Indiana Jones persona, it doesn't matter if Pine is motivated by thoughts of Pussy Galore.
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I agree...Han Solo isn't so far a cry from Captain Kirk. You can say he was obsessed with duty but he was always rebellious in the movies and in TOS, he rarely had interference from superiors and when he didn, he grumbled about it and occasionally disobeyed. There was a lot of humor in the show mixed with drama. And if Young Kirk is SLIGHTLY less gallant and dutiful than TOS Kirk...is that REALLY that inconsistent with being young? You can go on and on about how a kid just out of the academy would be more soldierly than a middle-aged guy, but keep in mind that Roddenberry always tried to distinguish Starfleet from a military organization. I don't think drawing on Harrison Ford will result in any detriment to a Young Kirk character.
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Hey, Terry, you just convinced me that Pine is right. Congratulations, my friend. My optimism is back.
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Hey, Terry, you just convinced me that Pine is right. Congratulations, my friend. My optimism is back.
Gustavo
Well, I'm a reluctant hero, I guess! :)
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The way Pine is approaching this role is understable since we have very little of Kirk's early years. Kirk is sharp, keen, taking on risks and looking for opportunites to get himself out of trouble. In TUC, the Klingon Commander called Kirk an opportunist and has been known to disobey orders when he see fit. Looking at the Kobyashi Maru test, he had cheated himself out of trouble (TWOK) and death (see Search for Spock). I would not see him trying to mimic Indiana Jones but taking on those character traits which shows risk-taking and opportunist in a passion that he loves
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Well said.
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Growing up leads to growing old and then to dying,
And dying to me dont sound like all that much fun...
-John Mellencamp
Political tags-such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth-are never basic criteria.
The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
-Robert A. Heinlein
Samuel T. Cogley, Attorney at Law
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Damn you, double-post enabling software!
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Growing up leads to growing old and then to dying,
And dying to me dont sound like all that much fun...
-John Mellencamp
Political tags-such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth-are never basic criteria.
The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
-Robert A. Heinlein
Samuel T. Cogley, Attorney at Law
[Insert Chris Pine bashing, insults, death-threats, feces-related dessecration here]
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:)
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"I would be happy for Star Trek to come along decades later with a new group of minds. I'd love someone to say, 'Besides this one, Gene Roddenberry's was nothing!'" - Gene Roddenberry
"...I think it would be wonderful years from now to see Star Trek come back with an equally talented new cast playing Spock and Kirk and Bones and Scotty and all the rest, as they say tomorrow's things to tomorrow's generations..." - Gene Roddenberry
This is gonna cause a few people to get upset with Mr. Pine.
Thoughts... Comments...
Until Next Time...
Jason
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