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James Cawley on New Star Trek Movie, Liberties with Canon and J.J. Abrams

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By GustavoLeao / 18:11, 6 March 2008 / Star Trek: Nemesis

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The Trek Nation posted an exclusive interview with Star Trek New Voyages (now titled Star Trek Phase II) producer and Kirk actor James Cawley. Here are few excerpts.

Trek Nation: Are you finished with everything you'll be doing for the movie?


James Cawley:
I am basically a glorified extra. It started because Marc Zicree, who directed "World Enough and Time," was friends with J.J. Abrams; J.J.'s a big Twilight Zone fan, and Marc Zicree wrote the Bible about The Twilight Zone. They met and Marc said, 'I'm doing this Star Trek thing' and J.J. was very interested because he had just taken the job to do the new feature film. As things progressed, Marc said, 'You really should take a look at James. Maybe there's something in the picture you could put him in. That would be really cool.' I thanked Marc for that, but never expected anything. Then I got a call for an audition. I auditioned in New York. They videotaped it, sent it out.[...]
 

I flew out to California on other business, for New Voyages, and while I was on the plane I had I call from another gentleman at Paramount who wanted to talk to me in depth about some New Voyages projects. That's what I was doing on the lot. I was with a friend of mine who had been a stuntwoman on Voyager. She said, 'Let's walk by the soundstages.' J.J. came out on lunch break and recognized me. He knew who I was and said 'What are you doing here?'

So I told him I was there for this other meeting, and he said, 'When you're done, you're my guest; please come down.' I ended up being a glorified extra in the movie, which was more than enough for me. Even if they cut me out of the film I'm satisfied because I've met J.J. and I got a sense of what he was trying to do.


Trek Nation: I know the producers keep saying that they're all big fans. That's for real?


James Cawley:
Bob Orci and Damon Lindelof are hugs fans. Bob Orci is an original series fan and he basically said, 'We wrote this movie for you.' Meaning, I was the litmus paper, so to speak: if I would like it, then they would feel comfortable that many Star Trek fans would like it. Because I'm a die-hard purist. I know it backwards and forwards.


Trek Nation:
Did you see much of the script?


James Cawley:
I did not see any script. I was involved in four scenes, and based on what I was witness to, I think it's going to be a terrific story. I had a number of conversations with J.J. Abrams and the most important one was, what did Star Trek mean to him and what was he trying to bring to it? He told me that it was all about capturing the feel of what it was like to be in the 1960s. What that meant to Star Trek. The message of hope and optimism and diversity. Once he talked to me about that, I thought, he's got a sense of it. The Enterprise can be different, or whatever he's going for physically; the production design can be different, but he's got the heart of what made the show so great. He's got the characters. They're in good hands.

Trek Nation: In terms of what you're doing in New Voyages, is it going to change anything if canon shifts in the movie?


James Cawley:
Even if things change, and I don't know whether or to what degree they may - I'm sure they're taking some liberties with canon because they have to, let's face it, the original series even had problems with its own canon, and fans have forgotten that - it's not going to affect what I do. My goal with New Voyages was to prove two things. I wanted to prove that the characters and the original Enterprise were what really was Star Trek at its core. It was that group of people we loved and cared about. And I always felt that they were Shakespearean. Anybody could play those parts - any competent actors could play those parts, because they are what's important, those characters. I proved that; I honestly think that our numbers, our downloads and the attention that we've gotten from our fans, said to these guys, that's Star Trek. So I accomplished what I set out to do with that. [...]

The full interview, including his opinion on Rick Berman, can be found here.



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That Other Meeting | Report this post to moderator
By: Jean-Luc (Odo's file, contact) @ 06:56:49 on Mar 07, 2008

I'm more interested in the meeting he was there for. As an NV fan, it would be cool if Paramount wanted to put some money and full time pros to work on and continue cranking out webisodes. Or maybe they're looking for a producer for a new TOS series?

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Reminds me of Nicholas Briggs | Report this post to moderator
By: sb2004 (Odo's file, contact) @ 05:20:44 on Mar 07, 2008

Cawley's experience reminds me of that of Nicholas Briggs. Briggs is an uber-Doctor Who fan who spearheaded countless fan-produced Doctor Who audio and video productions in the 80s and 90s and now oversees the officially licensed Big Finish audio franchise. AND, he also works regularly in the BBC TV series. By Cawley working on the fan series and getting to work on the official production (albeit as an extra to start) seems to have him following a similar experience.

I agree with Cawley that TOS itself wasn't always consistent with canon (UESPA? James R. Kirk? No female captains?) but that's still different from the Enterprise bridge having one design in "I, Mudd" and a completely different design in "By Any Other Name."

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New Treksters | Report this post to moderator
By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:29:39 on Mar 06, 2008

Quote from James Cawley:
"The Enterprise can be different, or whatever he's going for physically; the production design can be different, but he's got the heart of what made the show so great."


An air of homage is expressed by every ST:XI cast member who has spoken to the media. They all show regard for what TOS is and how it was birthed by the original cast. For example, their remarks quoted by this piece at USA Today...

'Star Trek': Boldly Go Where They Went Before

About the late James Doohan's character, Simon Pegg said, "His son, Chris, contacted me shortly after I was cast. We've been e-mailing, and we're hoping to get together and have a drink. I told him I would do everything I could to make my performance a complete tribute to his father. And I think he might be coming on (for an onscreen cameo) in the transport room." As for his character's accent, Pegg, a Brit, is borrowing from his real-life Scottish wife.


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Yyyyyyyyyyeah. | Report this post to moderator
By: IamKirok!!! (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:15:54 on Mar 06, 2008

I think its ridiculous to think that Cawley and Abrams met by accident. People don't just wander around those soundstages freely. Come on.


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  • RE: Yyyyyyyyyyeah. | Report this post to moderator
    By: c.p. (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:48:30 on Mar 06, 2008

    He wasn't wandering around sound stages freely. He was wondering the lot where he had been invited to a meeting. Security is probably specific to each sound stage once you pass the initial invite inside Paramount. Only after wandering near the Trek sound stage did he meet Abrams out of chance (this may be where he omits some details). At any rate, he has no real reason to lie.


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    • RE: Yyyyyyyyyyeah. | Report this post to moderator
      By: IamKirok!!! (Odo's file, contact) @ 04:11:55 on Mar 07, 2008

      I think it benefits Cawley to make it seem like this happy coincidence, because that stuff pleases the fans and makes us feel like it's all some big, happy family over there. It also benefits Cawley to say that Abrams WOULD recognize him across a crowded lunch room or wherever, which is unlikely.

      But if he was over there for a "meeting" about "something" that wouldn't have given him access to anything else. They have production assistants and security people all over the place. It's not like the exec offices are three feet from the soundstages.

      And yeah, JJ's the boss, but there are a lot of hoops to jump through to get someone on a set, into a fitting costume, onto a payroll, check with SAG to see he's OK to work, etc. etc. It doesn't just happen in an hour.

      I think it's fine that Paramount made a PR decision to include Cawley. It makes perfect marketing sense. But I think it was done the way everything else is done in LA, and for this film in particular, like regular old entertainment business done a very sharp producer( Abrams).


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        By: c.p. (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:11:47 on Mar 07, 2008

        You have a point. He certainly benefits from a story where J.J. Abrams motors up to him and asks him on the spot to be in his movie. But I guess I just like the idea that Abrams leaves a little room for playing it by ear. Maybe if all Cawley has is a nonspeaking role as an extra the process could be expedited a bit, like when they grab a group of people off the street to be extras. Sign this waiver. Put this on. Don't look at the camera. If he's in the background somewhere maybe costume fitting isn't crucial--size medium.


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        By: TRP (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 09:27:12 on Mar 07, 2008

        I have heard this story now directly from James and from one of the people he was with that day. How many times do you want to hear it whether you like it or not? What he says is the way it happened--ask JJ if it really gets your panties in a wad, but you're gonna get the same story from him too.

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    By: arachnia (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:36:14 on Mar 06, 2008

    Agreed!! However, fans have not forgotten about the original inconsistencies. The Original Series fans will agree with me!I hope that Mr. Abrams does not take to omany liberties with the new movie. We will all be looking for them, whether we want to or not!


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