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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:54:21 on Jan 30, 2008 | (1)

Takei Goes On a Musical 'Trek'

George Takei will appear Friday and Saturday night with the Minnesota Orchestra as part of "To Boldly Go ... ", the finale of the ensemble's Sounds of Cinema film-music series. He replaces the originally scheduled Leonard Nimoy, who had to cancel because he was too busy filming the new "Star Trek" movie, in which he reprises his role as Spock.


Boldly Going

The remarkable thing is that "New Voyages" is produced by fans, not a studio. When it won the TV Guide award, it beat out studio-produced webisodes such as "Battlestar Galactica" and "The 4400."





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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:21:23 on Jan 30, 2008 | (1)

Quoyre from StillKirok:
While Shatner did want a bigger part, he was never offered the smaller one.


Knowing that someone won't accept a particular thing can preclude any calls with offers of that thing.

Shatner announced "I don't do cameos" while talking about ST:XI, so Abrams has reason to take that as being applicable to his project. Why offend Shatner with an offer of something he has openly dissed?

Whether or not Shatner appears in ST:XI, Kirk's death should be undone.

For TOS, Gene Roddenberry chose a classic style of storytelling that once utilized gods or wraiths to represent the base elements of mankind and nature. Kirk, Spock, and McCoy -- as the triumvirate Body, Mind, and Soul -- are essentially immortal, timeless archetypes which, as an inseparable unit, embody the corporeal and spiritual human condition.

A permanent elimination of Kirk, Spock, or McCoy is an act of gross ignorance (or arrogance) toward the architecture of a pop-cult legend. It shouldn't have happened, and warrants a canonical annulment.


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  By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:23:32 on Jan 31, 2008

  For Abrams to not get on the phone and lay it on the line is inexcusable though. Yeah, Shatner was not too interested in cameos, but if sold right, maybe he would have done it. We'll never know, since he wasn't offered. Abrams, unlike most people, could pick up the phone and talk to him.
  
  He didn't bother. His ComicCon comments implied he wanted Shatner for a big role too.
  
  And I agree with you that Shatner or not, Kirk's death needs to be fixed. It's vital to this movie. Other than Pine in makeup for an older Shatner, I don't know how else to do it without Shatner.

  
  

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    By: Chronic Harlot (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 10:52:28 on Feb 05, 2008

    
    
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Humanoid? | Report this post to moderator
By: seventhstar (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:35:20 on Jan 30, 2008

Spock wasn't humanoid?

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By: Bondo (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 08:47:01 on Jan 30, 2008

They way he's talking its almost like he thinks Nimoy's Spock will die in this film...

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By: Bean (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 08:29:36 on Jan 30, 2008

I hate Takei and his self pandering attempts to remain relevant, but if even HE can understand this, why is it so hard for other, more reasonable people to?

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  By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 09:01:44 on Jan 30, 2008

  Who told you I am a reasonable person ?
  
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    By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:12:25 on Jan 30, 2008

    Toting the company line and repeating a weak excuse will not change that it is a weak excuse. Time travel makes it extremely easy to get around Kirk's death, and prevent it. If this movie has Spock saving Kirk's life when he is younger, then saving it when he is older certainly is possible.

    
    

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      By: RJ79 (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:15:25 on Jan 30, 2008

      Fuck Kirk. If they do bring him back to life in this movie, I hope they have him hugging Spock, turning around and being decapitated by a Romulan or something. Also, I cried when Shatner died in Generations; tears of joy!

      
      

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      By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 10:19:31 on Jan 30, 2008

      It is possible, yes. But it is too late to hire Shatner involvment now, I guess.
      
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        By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:09:25 on Jan 30, 2008

        The annoying part is, it isn't.
        
        This is one of the most blatant cases of dropping the ball I have ever seen. It makes no sense. After Nemesis, they should be reaching out to as many fans as possible--not alienating them. Shatner also is a recognizable face to the general public too.

        
        

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          By: Chronic Harlot (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 10:55:15 on Feb 05, 2008

          
          
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          By: Bean (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 18:57:35 on Jan 30, 2008

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          The annoying part is, it isn't.
          
          Ok, so strictly speaking. No, it isn't impossible to still get him in it. And they could even explain it in the story.
          
          On that logic though, they could also include Picard, Janeway and Sisko. Hell, they could throw Tasha Yar in there too. I mean, with time travel it would be only too easy to explain it all away right?
          
          Hell, let's keep going. Why not put Khan back in it? I'm sure that using time travel they could explain away his original death, and maybe even the fact that he's now in a wheelchair? The possibilities are endless!
          
          The fact of the matter is, Abrams made the call that he didn't want to pander to "extremist fanboys" and include Shatner, just for the sake of doing it. There is no easy way to put him in the film without making it an obvious cheap pandering to those fans who just can't let go.
          
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          By: StarFleet Captain (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:59:02 on Jan 30, 2008

          There IS that small little problem which is the WGA writer's strike. That makes it near impossible to add Shatner now. Would you have them postpone production until after the strike so that Shatner can be written in?
          
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Uh ohhhhh! here it comes | Report this post to moderator
By: StarFleet Captain (Odo's file, contact) @ 00:55:32 on Jan 30, 2008

Let the thunders roll and the screaming and bashing begin!!!

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  By: dogma (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:44:58 on Jan 30, 2008

  Yeah, its a joke. I love WS, but to be Kirk again? He is almost as fat and disgusting as Algore.
  
  Trek is dead. If this movie brings it back, it will have nothing to do with WS.
  
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  By: TonyDP (Odo's file, contact) @ 04:46:52 on Jan 30, 2008

  Kirk is a humanoid ... but Spock isn't??? LOL! I have no problem with Shatner not being in the movie (even though it is disappointing) but Takei should really shut up if he doesn't have anything worthwhile to say.

  
  

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  By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 04:11:42 on Jan 30, 2008

  Takei is just toting the party line. It's such a load of crap, because basically this movie is all about Spock travelling back in time and saving Kirk's life. Generations, which in and of itself is a canon violation (see Relics), is just one example of Kirk dying prematurely. If you prevent Kirk's death, you needn't resurrect him.
  
  Time travel + Spock + Saving Kirk's life=Generations need not be the end and Shatner can be in the movie.
  
  It's a weak excuse.

  
  

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    By: DIGINON (Odo's file, contact) @ 04:33:49 on Jan 30, 2008

    Maybe I've missed it but has it EVER been confirmed that the story of this movie really has Spock travelling back in time to save Kirk???
    Because as far as I can remember, that's just a rumor.
    
    Yes, this movie seems to encompass several time periods (see 3 Spocks), and the old Spock seems to interact with the younger characters in some way. But beyond that, everything about the story is just rumors or guessing from the little we actually do know.

    
    

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      By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:43:26 on Jan 30, 2008

      Quote from DIGINON:
      Maybe I've missed it but has it EVER been confirmed that the story of this movie really has Spock travelling back in time to save Kirk???
      
      
      Chris Pine told Entertainment Weekly, "I've met Mr. Nimoy a couple of times. He's been on set and we have a couple of scenes in the film, which will be nice, and I'm excited for those."
      
      Pine doesn't quite say "scenes together", but the context of his remark suggests that elder Spock and young Kirk have an encounter.
      
      
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      By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 05:22:58 on Jan 30, 2008

      Not 100 percent confirmed. But the rumor is a time travelling bad guy Romulan out to erase Kirk from history. Makes sense given that we're seeing Kirk at various stages in his life, except of course older, because they didn't want to put Shatner in the movie.
      
      Why else would Spock be interacting with the younger versions of the characters?

      
      

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        By: DIGINON (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:35:20 on Jan 30, 2008

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        Makes sense given that we're seeing Kirk at various stages in his life
        
        We are also seeing Spock at various stages in his life, including a kid-Spock. Why would we see him as a kid if the big bad Romulan is after Kirk? Old Spock isn't suddenly gonna get all nostalgic and revisit his own childhood.
        You know: this movie might just feature some kind of origin story for our beloved characters.
        Granted, this doesn't explain why Nimoy-Spock would interact with the younger crew. All I'm saying is: Some people act like they know exactly what's gonna happen in this movie. Well, unless you've seen the super-secret script which even the actors didn't get it's all just conjecture.
        Which makes any suggestions on how to make the story "better" rather moot.
        
        I'll grant you that they didn't want to center their story around Shatner-Kirk. So much seems certain. But beyond that, there's absolutely nothing that "proves" they didn't want Shatner in the movie, at all. Actually, all that is known is that both Shatner himself and the producers have said in interviews that Bill didn't want to do a cameo. Apparently, Bill wanted a bigger part than just "Hey Spock, thanx for warning me about the Nexus and that Soran guy who would've killed me" (which some of the Shatner-fanatics claim would be enough to make them happy).
        
        But since some people seem to have made up their mind and stay with their opinion no matter what, this discussion is just as moot so I'll just stop here.

        
        

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          By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:16:06 on Jan 30, 2008

          Actually, there is something that proves that they never wanted Shatner in this movie. He's not in the movie.
          
          They claimed that they were working on it, yet never talked script with him. They claimed that they desperately wanted him in the film, but never made a phonecall to him after that claim.
          
          They didn't even have the balls to call him to tell him he wasn't in the movie. He had to find out through Nimoy.
          
          While Shatner did want a bigger part, he was never offered the smaller one.
          
          The bottom line is that Abrams has taken a lot of heat over this dumb decision, which has been the biggest topic of this movie. Shatner's exclusion has been overall viewed as negative.
          
          So the Abrams Apologists may be buying the excuse, but they are the ones that accept anything he says anyway.

          
          

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            By: DIGINON (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:57:09 on Jan 30, 2008

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            Actually, there is something that proves that they never wanted Shatner in this movie. He's not in the movie.
            
            You are aware that people don't always get want they want, are you? That goes for fans but it also goes for movie producers.
            Nobody knows what went on between team Abrams/Paramount and Shatner/his representatives except for those who took part in those talks. They may have offered him a cameo which he declined. Or they may not. We don't know.
            What we do know is that they didn't show the script to anybody before they were cast, some even got it only days before the shoot.
            
            The bottom line is that SOME people feel betrayed or bitter or whatever and they keep up the so-called controversy by repeating the same arguments over and over. It may be the only topic that bothers them concerning this movie but it's hardly anything the general public cares about (if they even know there's a new Star Trek movie coming).

            
            

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        By: falcon (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:21:28 on Jan 30, 2008

        It could always be a plot hatched by Nero and somehow stopped by Old Spock, whilst he remembers his early days and the first time he met Kirk. It doesn't have to be time-travel - in fact, someone said on this very website that JJAbrams is good at flashbacks (see "Lost" for confirmation).
        
        Although flashbacks are time-travel of a sort...
        
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