About a freakin' corridor?!?
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Turboshaft eight?
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This is what happens when you piecemeal information.
Yeah, none of these folks are gonna go see this movie in the theater...
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Once again, this is an 'under construction' corridor. The stark lighting and exposed piping are a product of it still being unfinished. To conclude that this is a BSG-style set is missing the entire point of the viral site.
A couple of more points:
- The design is actually very close in overall geometry to the sets of early Trek episodes (I think mostly the "Cage" pilot). Although expect a great deal of additional detail and lighting effects.
- Expect this and other teaser images to be regularly updated over the next 11 months leading up tho the premiere. For example, this image will gradually introduce walls over the exposed pipes and brighter, softer lighting.
- Although much of the designs will reference the original sets, expect a great deal of redesign and 're-imagining'. The Enterprise may at first glance look much like the TOS version, but at only moderately closer inspection you'll see considerable redesign. Obviously there'll be a lot more micro-detail, but more significantly angles and edges will flow more organically and its overall size will appear larger.
- What Abrams and co. are doing is capturing the essence and potency of the original Star Trek and taking it to the next level. The hope is to take the very best of TOS and then add even more scope, realism, drama, and cinematic punch to anything we've seen before.
But this is A REBOOT. Which means that canon needs to, and will be, sacrificed at times to deliver a great new take on the franchise.
I for one am all for it.
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It's worth pointing out that the 60s corridors for the Big E had exposed piping and conduits in places.
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Growing up leads to growing old and then to dying,
And dying to me dont sound like all that much fun...
-John Mellencamp
Political tags-such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth-are never basic criteria.
The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
-Robert A. Heinlein
Samuel T. Cogley, Attorney at Law
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Once again, this is an 'under construction' corridor. The stark lighting and exposed piping are a product of it still being unfinished.
Looks like a finished corridor to me. The pipes jut out far enough that you can't simply cover them up. Besides, there were tons of exposed pipes all over the place in STVI.
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Kind of looks like Krell corridors from Forbidden Planet, too. Also similar to Gorkon's flagship in ST6. Goes along with grounding the Enterprise during construction as a kind of de-fantasizing Star Trek and de-idealizing it-- the same mistake made in many of the spinoffs. Can we expect phasers that look like guns, too? Jefferies put the phaser II grip in the middle because he thought beam weapons would have no recoil. Oddly, while they're buying into this grim darkness, color is coming back in with Spring clothes this year. Go figure.
Kind of looks like Krell corridors from Forbidden Planet, too. Also similar to Gorkon's flagship in ST6. Goes along with grounding the Enterprise during construction as a kind of de-fantasizing Star Trek and de-idealizing it-- the same mistake made in many of the spinoffs. Can we expect phasers that look like guns, too? Jefferies put the phaser II grip in the middle because he thought beam weapons would have no recoil. Oddly, while they're buying into this grim darkness, color is coming back in with Spring clothes this year. Go figure.
But gloomy lighting on a starship doesn't really make sense. They're supposed to be places of work. And even today we have sophisticated lighting designed to raise mood.
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Yeah. Who knows, interiror of USS Enterprise maybe should lookalike X_Files alien ships, if Kirk and Co. decide to hijack subjects and make experiments on them. To look scary, you know. ;)
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I'm sure Bones has an anal probe somewhere... :)
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Am I the only one who finds it funny how many responses (esp. negative ones) have been generated from a picture of an empty hallway?
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The negative responses (and other similarly preposterous comments) are the main reason I visit this site, to be perfectly honest. I think it has as much to do with anthropological curiosity as it does any personal interest in the film on my part.
The image of the corridor was presented in a context which clearly indicated it was meant to be "UNDER CONSTRUCTION." I'm not sure how so many people missed that (or chose to ignore it, as the case may be).
Anyway, to answer your question: no, you're not the only one who thinks it's funny. I think it's frickin' hilarious. The intensity of emotion in some people's responses is completely out of proportion to the cause, and that's always rather comical (if also a little bit sad).
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Yes, you are the only one who thinks this is funny, maybe with the exception of zak. I'm about to throw up looking at this picture. Why spend a fortune on great looking exterior, and not spend a dime on the interior hallways?
This can't be the real thing, and I know there's no reason to believe this corridor will even show up in the movie. But I prefer to react anyway when I see an "official" design that doesn't sit well with Federation values nor does it look aesthetically pleasing.
Perhaps with some delicate camera work, it might be possible to get a decent picture out of this by cropping off the floor and ceiling, and lock the camera to move back/forward, to at least get some symmetry in the picture, by not moving far off to the sides. But that seems overly restrictive in the long run.
What about the materials? There's virtually no textures. These are all dull surfaces. When you remove the grain, it wouldn't hold up on the big screen. There are no details. The lighting enviroment doesn't seem flattering for the actors either. The spotlights are far too strong, and what purpose serves the bottom lights? None?
This is more like a Pakled design from TNG season 2. Now add the "funny" looking chimney-sweeper uniforms we've seen a glimpse of, and you have a recipe for ... me throwing up all over the place.
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Yes, you are the only one who thinks this is funny, maybe with the exception of zak.
No he's not. And the rest of your post goes to great lengths to make this whole cluster hissy fit even funnier.
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Exactly my point too down below. Criticism of what is just a little tiny photo.Some posts actually saying their expectations are now down 50%.(Gee, if that's because of one tiny pic, I doubt those same people will be happy with anything put out) From my perspective this is beyond ridiculous and absurd reacting. AND, what do all these people think Gene the unchangeable, (I say that facetiously) would do were he alive today and given a $150 million budget. Do you really think he'd keep those tired little 60s corridors that were honed in only because of budget considerations then. HA! I just can't understand these closed minded 'fans'. One would almost think they wouldn't be happy with anything. Chill out a bit. ST can have change in it and it better. Much as I love TOS, it is a bit dated and not every episode is perfection. Roddenberry wanted to boldly go where no one had been befoe, not stay and suffocate with the same dressings. My last comment on this silly issue. Your comment above said it far better than my long ones have anyway. Lets look forward to STAR TREK again, not worry that somehow it might now have the same corridors as the original. PLEASE! What a totally minor bit of fluff to get all upset about and then decide the new venture is lost. Bizarre!
Certainly not a huge departure from what's come before. Rather simular, really.
Why would a supposedly enlightened human race want to live in a dark cave? To those who say this is an improvement, you need to get your eyes examined.
Fortunately this is most likely a corridor under construction and I doubt the final result will look like this. Everything else about the movie seems to be adding up nicely so far. I better trust Abrams on this one.
Give me a break - I've seen every version of ST, the original series so many times, I know the lines, and virtually every single episode of each of the follow ups and whether or not the interior corridors of the old Enterprise C are preserved or not, I think it's really obvious that in general, all the persons working on the new ST are trying hard to preserve so many things. That they've actually managed to keep the outside of the Entrerprise C itself is great too. But,to be honest, I'm completely ecstatic that they're changing that drab 60s interior and not trying to remake it somehow as it was on TOS.
AND why should anyone really care about that, esp if it looks better with the change. Those things are just dressing,makeup - they're just not important and changing them spoils nothing. Be unhappy if somehow the new ST looks like a bad monster rlick on the SCiFi network. But, be happy if things are changed AND at the same time improved. And for god sake, give these people and the project a chance before it happens. Why people almost panic about trivial things is beyond me. I admit that initially I wasn't so keen on the notion od sdoing a film based on the earlier ST tiees, rather than a later notion,But, why not-it could work and hoperully will. And,who knows - it could be better, (I never thought TNG would be as good as it was and I realky believe it far imporoved the OS. And for a second example: Who ever would have thought that anyone could have done what BSG has done using the same exact story line and even some episode stories as that hodgepodge BSG copy of Star Wars that came out in the 1970s and 80s).The JJ Abrahms group seems indeed to know what they're doing. If you have doubts, at least Be open. I just hope people aren't upset about something as trivial as that the corridors in the new 1701-7 just don't look like the old. If you are, just think .. maybe an interior designer came in when no one was looking and just hadn't gotten round to it when the OS was on. :)
That corridor looks awful.
I really, really hope that it is a work in progress. My confidence in this movie just dropped by, like, 50%. I knew they were going to take some liberties: round some corners here, change a color or two there, that sort of thing.
But this looks like a fucking submarine or aircraft carrier corridor. I can almost see the water dripping from a leaky pipe in the ceiling. Actually, to be honest, the first thing that popped into my head when I saw it was the Scimitar corridor from Nemesis. That's the kind of ambience this corridor has-- that's 101% wrong for an Enterprise set.
There is nothing in that corridor that even somewhat resembles a TOS corridor other than the fact that it is, indeed, a corridor. At the very least they could've made the walls light grey and made sure the corridor was brightly lit.
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But this looks like a fucking submarine or aircraft carrier corridor.
Whoa whoa whoa... slow down there soldier... you're telling me that this starship interior bears similarities to its forebears? Get outta town...
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But this looks like a fucking submarine or aircraft carrier corridor.
Whoa whoa whoa... slow down there soldier... you're telling me that this starship interior bears similarities to its forebears? Get outta town...
Oh, give me a break.
That image is not in tune AT ALL with what Roddenberry had in mind for Star Trek. It's supposed to be an idealistic utopian future, not some drab military one.
Stuff like this was passable in DS9 because of what the Federation was going through at the time, add to the fact the design was that of a military civilization (Cardassians).
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I'm gonna catch crap for this...but who cares what Roddenberry had in mind? We had 40 years of his vision, a lot good some bad and it ended up finally with two failures of movies and one cancelled show. The only way Trek is going to survive is with new ideas. A new vision that isn't based on a Wagon Train.
Roddenberry, like Kirk, is dead. Let's leave their graves be and see what we can make.
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Calm, down. More than likely this is all part of JJ's whole viral campaign. It seems the deck is still under construction and I'm sure that by the time the movie is released, it'll have a lot more color and a lot better lighting.
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Here's your break.
As for the rest, this is one shot of one hallway in one part of the ship. Hell man, even Picard's Enterprises had Jeffries' Tubes and services corridors that were neither spacious, nor brightly lit, nor pleasant to be in. And did y'all notice there ain't no doors to quarters anywhere? Doesn't look like a residental deck to me...
Much ado about absolutely nothing. But please, tell me more about how this one pre-production picture takes a huge dump on everything that Gene stood for. I've found all of these various tizzies to be a wonderful distraction over the past 24+ hours.
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"A billion robot lives are about to be extinguished! Oh, the Jedis are going to feel this one..."
-Hubert Farnsworth (Futurama: Crimes of the Hot)
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"The Andorian Mining Consortium runs from no one!"
-Shran (ENT: Proving Ground)
Looks pretty damn good to me. But it's just a corridor. To the extent it looks BSG-ish, well, that may say more about BSG's derivativeness than this movie's. Look at the corridors Kirk runs through in TSFS and TWOK.
Mr. Krutzler below is, in part, correct. It's clear they are trying to occupy the canon between Enterprise and TMP. Nothing new? Nothing objectionable either.
I have not before been in favor of adhering to canon closely if it's bull-headed in approach. But let us now hope the canon remains intact while they manage to tell us a story which breaks with convention.
I think I could easily get behind this as long as it's better lit in the movie. I doesn't strike me as incomplete but it is very hard to tell in that grainy image.
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If that's a finished corridor, it's a dopy design. Those curbs, especially the jutting square corners, are a toe-stubbing trip hazard and a waste of precious floor space.
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Well, they couldn't break canon by making the Enterprise practical!
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to watch the lights move up, down and sideways in the turbolift. Bridge.
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Now if you'll excuse me, I have to watch the lights move up, down and sideways in the turbolift. Bridge.
It's the turbolift that's moving. The lights are fixed within the vertical and horizontal shafts.
Off to sickbay with you!
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Yeah, but did you ever notice on the D how when they were departing the bridge in the turblift (going down) the lights would be moving south down the screen? Whereas if they were actually passing lights in the turbo shaft, they should be moving north up the screen.
I used to just think that they were moving so fast in the turbolift, we were seeing an optical illusion similar to how the spokes of a car's wheel seem to be moving backwards at certain speeds. But in a ship with only 40-something decks, they couldn't be moving that fast.
This tangent was brought to you by: My lack of coffee this morning.
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"A billion robot lives are about to be extinguished! Oh, the Jedis are going to feel this one..."
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"The Andorian Mining Consortium runs from no one!"
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As a hard core trek fan I can say this is fine, again this is in a time before Kirk so the ship was quite different. The Cage is just that...A pilot...In no way do trivial things need to be taken literally, Trek history is granted some leeway. I mean Star Trek Enterprise changed a few things but for the better and overall gave a clarity to that period that we have never seen. I love everything I see so far regarding the new movie.
Man, I just don't understand the goofy desire to have this new production look like the 60's TV show. This interior shot looks great and what one could expect from a military/exploration vessel. And ya, Gene wanted to convey a "utopia", but get real folks. Whether or not Earth is a utopia, the rest of the galaxy isn't likely to have those same ideals. That being said, it would seem to make sense to design your starships with a dual purpose in mind - singing kum ba yah around a campfire and dealing with alien threats from species that simply don't give a crap about a human utopia.
The luxo-barge designs of the TNG era, and the utterly dated look of the 60's TV show, will simply not fly here in 2008. It's gotta look contempory while attempting to not only depict a possible future, but also to have SOME familiar elements from the previous ST incarnations. IMO, they've done a great job thus far.
If I wanted to see the original series, I'd watch the original series, or 'Trials and Tribblations', or 'In a Mirror Darkly'. For this movie, I want to see a modern looking/feeling interpretation of the ST universe. So far, it's looking good!
Man, I just don't understand the goofy desire to have this new production look like the 60's TV show. This interior shot looks great and what one could expect from a military/exploration vessel. And ya, Gene wanted to convey a "utopia", but get real folks. Whether or not Earth is a utopia, the rest of the galaxy isn't likely to have those same ideals. That being said, it would seem to make sense to design your starships with a dual purpose in mind - singing kum ba yah around a campfire and dealing with alien threats from species that simply don't give a crap about a human utopia.
The luxo-barge designs of the TNG era, and the utterly dated look of the 60's TV show, will simply not fly here in 2008. It's gotta look contempory while attempting to not only depict a possible future, but also to have SOME familiar elements from the previous ST incarnations. IMO, they've done a great job thus far.
If I wanted to see the original series, I'd watch the original series, or 'Trials and Tribblations', or 'In a Mirror Darkly'. For this movie, I want to see a modern looking/feeling interpretation of the ST universe. So far, it's looking good!
There's a lot of negative feedback from people concerned about the lack of canonical evidence that this film is going to be set in the same universe as TOS. I mirror that concern in a big way. Yet, I'm still deluding myself with rationalizations for each new visual element we see.
Now... the corridor. Perhaps it's one of the never before seen corridors down near the sump pump and the chemical storage tanks. We're told that we're going to be seeing much more of the ship than we did in TOS, so perhaps this is just one aspect of 'our' Enterprise that has never been shown on screen.
Frankly, though, I'm more concerned with the scale issue of the exterior of the ship. She looks a whole lot larger than she should in my opinion. But that's another post altogether.
Looks just like Galactica's Corridor. here
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Hmmm...they're both dark, and both have walls that are not straight up and down.
I can't tell the difference, can you tell the difference?
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That pretty much confirms it as a reimagining and not canonical, as far as I'm concerned. The corridor looks fine - but it's a TMP-era corridor, not a TOS-era corridor, and as such it breaks continuity not only with TOS but also DS9 and Enterprise, both of which showed the TOS era corridors being the same as, well, TOS.
Reimagining is fine by me- but unless the storyline establishes this to be some sort of new timeline or whatever, Abrams needs to stop calling this a canonical prequel, because it ain't.
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... I just don't know.
A lot of people say they are "sick" of futuristic technology looking shiny and clean, and there seems to be a fad against it. I am not sure, but I think it started with George Lucas gritting up some of the tech in the orignal Star Wars movies (Eps IV, V, VI).
However, I think Federation starships, -especially the "Queens of Starfleet" as the Constitutions were, should be regal, bright, white, shiny and spotless ... at least when they're 'ready.' Being gritty or dirty should be reserved for if and when they get battered and damaged in a firefight.
I could accept dark corridors like that if it was under construction, but Gene's whole idea for the Federation was it was a utopia, Starfleet was not a military organization and its primary purpose was not war. Its starships should be a beacon of freedom and hope. I think if anything should buck this dark, gritty trend, Federation starships like the Constitution and even moreso the Enterprise should.
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A lot of people say they are "sick" of futuristic technology looking shiny and clean, and there seems to be a fad against it. I am not sure
I dunno either. To the extent you can judge the Roddenberriness of a photo, I don't exactly agree with your assessment. The regalness of those constitutional queens of the vacuum may strike a different but equal shadow at noon than they do at midnight. The director has a responsibility to present her in the right context and the right "light".
I don't necessarily agree that it's "gritty," and I think that's a misuse of the word. With a clearer image, that hallway probably looks very cutting-edge, sleek, chic, etc.
However, it's hard to look at this hallway and think "ship of exploration." Seriously, try it.
Honestly though, I think it's all a moot point, because I have a hard time believing they'd show us a finished hallway -- what with the whole "under construction" angle they're going for.
If one more person uses the words 'gritty', 'dark' or 'BSG', I'm going to lose my damn mind. It's a picture of an artfully lit hallway. That's it.
Just becuase something isn't colored like a Pollok painting, and doesn't make me think of hugs and puppies, and actually looks real as opposed to Trek's usual over-lit candy-cane TV aesthetic, that doesn't make it 'gritty' or 'dark' (two of the most abused words around) or like BSG or anything else.
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How could one look at those corridors and not think of "that other show". I could definitely see that corridor as something used onboard the Pegasus. It fits in with the artistic style of that show.
The brightly lit squeaky clean look of previous Trek definitely isn't reflected in this new look. I'm wagering a guess this is the final look of the corridor because it's January...they need to get our buy-in ...we now have a year to get used to the look of this corridor and as they reveal it (if they reveal it), other parts of the ship. By the time we see the movie, we'll be acclimated.
I don't think this look is particularly "gritty" so I agree with you in that aspect. Though it looks like there may be some piping up top, it still has a finished look - nothing like modern day shuttles and such with exposed wires everywhere, etc.
But the dark I have to disagree with you. It IS darker than we are used to. There's no denying that. Does it evoke a "darker" tone as in being sinister or inhuman? No. It's more dimly lit.
But I will say this - I much prefer seeing this as a finished hallway and going - cool, nice hallway, than seeing them build the old TOS 1701 corridors and lighting them dimly and throwing wildly colored lighting all over the place. THAT would be hard to get used to. (I have such a problem with Generations and it's lighting scheme - they shouldn't have skimped and bought the lower wattage bulbs - it was a MOVIE not TV!)
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but... but... but what if we were saying it in praise? ; )
I personally cannot look at the lines of those bulkheads and not half expect to see Tigh rouding the corner with a contingent of meat-heads.
And I goddamm love it!
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Sadly, I think people do not know how to express themselves with out using comparisons. I don't know if it's a lack of vocabulary or they just do not take the time to come up with the words. Buzz words such as "dark" and "gritty" easily come to mind.
Going beyond the "dark and gritty" and "artfully lit", I do find it is remeniscent of the TOS movies' corridors rather than the series' corridors. A bit primitive but definitely influenced by the movies. I also, see a glimpse of the series influence too.
I did have my doubts and concerns about this movie but these images do intrigue me. I definitely want to learn more about Star Trek XI before I pass judgment.
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Try "industrial," "unadorned," "militaristic," or my personal favorite, "unfinished." Because that's what it looks like to me - unfinished. The lights appear to be work lights in the ceiling. The walls don't look like they have wall coverings. And the "gritty" look comes from the fact that the monitor wasn't properly tuned in.
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"Try "industrial," "unadorned," "militaristic..."
Exactly.
What drives me nuts is how people act like a functional real-world look for films is something new. BSG didn't originate a thing (nor did it's aesthetic influences Alien, 2001 and Blade Runner); they simply went in a direction that the emotionally needy contingent of Star Trek fans hadn't seen before (and their job within fandom is to hate anything they haven't seen before). To them, when it comes to sci-fi, the production design has to look fake, the cinematography cannot be unique, the protagonists have to be 2-dimensionally heroic, and sexuality has to be depicted in puritanical terms.
Here...this is, aesthetically, dark and gritty:
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And, tonally, this is dark and gritty:
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Star Trek is not now, nor has it ever, been either of those things.
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Well, don't mince words, Jeremy, tell us what you really think. :-)
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"Try "industrial," "unadorned," "militaristic..."
Exactly.
What drives me nuts me is how people act like a more real-world look for films is something that isn't done in movies every day. BSG didn't originate a thing; they simply went in a direction that Star Trek fans didn't associate with 'sci-fi' (becuase, to them, sci-fi has to look fake, feature dull 2-dimensional protagonists and be puritanical in the way it depicts sexuality).
Here...this is, aesthetically, dark and gritty:
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And, tonally, this is dark and gritty:
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Star Trek has not ever--and is not now--either of those things.
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I agree with "Industrial", "unadorned" and "militaristic". However, after looking closely at the picture I cannot agree with "unfinished". The corridor is too pristine to be under consturction, no debris, no tools or equipment. It appears that this is a finished product. Is this inline with the the series or even The Cage? I would say no. It certainly brings to mind the movies' corridors. It looks like they are going for a primitive TMP look with a touch of the series thrown in.
looks like a cross b/w DS9 and the NX-01. Nothing new here.
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The Star Trek Tour is going to rock in so many ways. I cannot freakin wait. If money wasn't an issue, I'd fly to L.A. right now to see it. As it is, I have to wait untill it comes to the East coast.
As far as this new movie is concerned....Bah. I'll wait and just rent the DVD. The corridors look too unoriginal. If they were brave enough they'd throw in some reds and bright yellows as a throw back to TOS.
It's quite obvious that this set is 'under construction'. This is a CGI rendering of what the corridor would look like with the walls still uninstalled and exposed pipes everywhere. Quite clever actually.
Clearly the final set will have a less bare-bones industrial look to it.
Excellent viral concept. The reboot is shaping up nicely.
I have conditional contempt for this picture.
If it is an “under construction” shot of a corridor without walls up yet, great. If that is what it is, I think I will like it with its “skin” on.
If it is the “finished” shot of a corridor, than finished is what the NCC-1701 is to me. They have taken a phaser to the head of Matt J. (in memorial, of course).
I am not a “continuity porn” person. I don’t (and have not) demanded that evolution on a motion picture artistic level be stifled. And further, I have been a voice of support for this film on this site when so many others for so long have bashed it. Having said that, if they trash established look THAT much, than call it what it really is: BSG-1701.
The fit-n-feel of this, if this is indeed finished, communicates so much that is contrary to philosophy and attitude of the established Federation. It communicates cold, dark, foreboding attitudes. Furthermore, it communicates a complete lack of skill on the part of Star Fleet Command to provide a “workable” environment for its crew, given the supposed advancements of the 23rd century. Again, this may simply be an “under construction” shot (and I HOPE it is!). But if this shot is a finished hallway, than the previously understood Federation, for my money (hint, hint) has been trashed beyond belief. And if that is the case, it has my complete, utter, horror-stricken contempt.
(One, non-emotional caveat: If they want to argue that this is what the NCC-1701 looked like under Pike, but had a refit prior “The Cage,” while it would be stretching things quite a bit, I suppose it would be no more convoluted than Orci’s argument as to why the ship was built on Earth. However, if the film does indeed end with Kirk in command, that's out the window)
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The fit-n-feel of this, if this is indeed finished, communicates so much that is contrary to philosophy and attitude of the established Federation.
Fit and feel is localized to this film, as it was for all of its predicessors. The feel of this film is dependent on its fit in the franchise which is in desperate need of refitting.
Don't have a fit over a corridor. It's fine-even canonical.
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Wow, wish I'd gone through and read this comment before posting mine, coulda saved the bytes on the server ... I concur wholeheartedly with your perspective.
Dark and/or gritty work for some things ... I honestly like Lucas making some things in Star Wars gritty, for instance; I like the dark, gritty look of the new Battlestar Galactica, for another ...
But the Enterprise should only be dark or gritty if she's been pounded, taken damage and her decks are torn asunder with debris and ashes from fires throughout. Their normal, healthy condition should be bright, gleaming, even regal ... they were the "Queens of Starfleet," not Klingon battlecruisers.
Lighting should be even, soft and filling the corridor, not a few bright spots to blind you to the shadows, there shouldn't be shadows.
I'm right with you on this one!
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I’ve always been amazed on this board (I’ve been here quite a while) how if a poster has their own visceral opinion, it’s a point. If someone else has an opinion, it’s a “fit.”
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That's not too bad. The look of a hallway doesn't give an indication as to the quality of the movie, though, for all the nitpickers out there. :P
However, I'm inclined to believe this hallway, much like the other video feeds, depicts the ship under construction. I am positive that in the end, the hallways will look different. They'll definitely be more brightly lit.
Hooray for new Trek movie. What a time to be a fan.
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As I mentioned in my main post, I do believe that the "fit and feel" of the hallway does indeed give great clues as to who and what a group of people believe themselves to be.
If a group is content in looking like "barely on the sane edge of humanity," (when they can do better) says great things about what they aspire (or don't aspire) to become.
Today, our subs look like this. I was hoping we would aspire to better a couple hundred years from now.
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Today, our subs look like this.
No, they don't.
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As for your concerns about aesthetics, I think you may be overreacting a bit. I get the jist of what you're saying, and it's very true that Trek has always portrayed a humanity that recognizes the effect one's environment has on one's psyche. But this is one picture of one hallway in one part of the ship. (Note the lack of doorways -- This doesn't appear to be a "residential" deck, and even the luxo-barge 1701-D had some utilitarian corridors and Jeffries' Tubes.)
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Wow, thanks for the effort.
While I am intimately aware of current sub configurations, I applaud your zeal, and concede your moderating point.
My contention is that we can do better in two hundred years in both accessibility of hardware and refinement of living.
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Sorry if I came on a bit strong there. I do really understand what you say. And while I wouldn't personally mind if every corridor on the redesigned 1701 looked like this example, I have high doubts that this will be the case. And I'd like to think that Starfleet has (even the slightest) sense of frugality to recognize that the bowels of a starship do not need to be outfitted like the hallways of the MGM Grand.
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I like it pretty well, though I'd like to see more, higher quality shots.
With the exception of the obnoxious spotlights, it actually looks like the interior of a starship, not a hallway in someones apartment complex.
I gotta say, the graininess of the picture and the lighting (which I adore) hearken to the Galactica.
This looks far removed from the luxury-liners-in-space we've grown accustomed to. Hell, NX-01's corridors look downright whimsical compared to this.
Bravo (so far) to the set designers.
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It's look like Battlestar Galactica, or ha'tak from Stargate SG-1, not like Trek.
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I gotta say, the graininess of the picture and the lighting (which I adore) hearken to the Galactica.
This looks far removed from the luxury-liners-in-space we've grown accustomed to. Hell, NX-01's corridors look downright whimsical compared to this.
Bravo (so far) to the set designers.
We have to keep in mind that the OTHER pictures show a ship UNDER CONSTRUCTION! So the hall is possibly under construction, too. There's no one saying that they might not eventually turn on some LIGHTS in there. Or slap a few streaks of red paint on some panels.
All in all, this isn't THAT different from the halls of Archer's Enterprise.
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I dunno. This looks like a test photo for filming. The strips of light integrated into the bulkheads say to me that this is a finished product. And a set under construction does not look like a starship under construction... there aren't really conduits and panels going in over several hundred feet of corridor walls. (Every indication we've gotten from the production staff is that the shots/theme of the 1701 "under construction" are promotional-only.)
There's no one saying that they might not eventually turn on some LIGHTS in there.
Reminds me of a submarine, something ENT was striving for and marginally succeeded in depicting. While aethetically more utilitarian, cloistered, and darker than what we'd seen on the A through E and Voyager, it still felt airy and posh.
Or slap a few streaks of red paint on some panels.
Heaven forbid, imo.
All in all, this isn't THAT different from the halls of Archer's Enterprise.
Really?
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All in all, this isn't THAT different from the halls of Archer's Enterprise.
Really?
Ummm...yeah, really. I think the new picture and the picture you posted look substantially similar. Relatively tight, submarine corridors done in gunmetal gray. The only main differences are lighting and a touch of paint, which I said might be added when "construction" is complete.
Both halls are lit from above, too, to some extent.
Sure, the new one is more gloomy...but it's a grainy shot and there's no proof they never use paint or turn on lights. :) All I'm saying is that while it looks different from TOS and certainly different from TNG, it's not all that far a cry from the Cage or Archer's Enterprise in that it evokes the feel of a submarine or interior of a WWII-era naval battleship. I don't think it's a good idea to shoot the whole movie under such dark lighting, but I also don't think this one little picture which may or may not be the Enterprise and may or may not be a completed, daytime shot of a functional corridor, is cause for any kind of freakout.
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I guess, to me, the geometry of the bulkheads creates a drastically different aesthetic. There's butt-loads more lighting on the NX-01. And the paneling up everywhere to "masque" the "conduits" and the like along with the prominence of integrated light fixtures are superfluous touches in a utilitarian, functioning corridor.
But I think I may have been a bit too sassy. You and I are very much on the same page that the design meme being used in both examples is a similar one of funcion over form.
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it's not all that far a cry from the Cage
Good opinion. I need to watch The Cage again to see.
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don't think this one little picture which may or may not be the Enterprise and may or may not be a completed, daytime shot of a functional corridor, is cause for any kind of freakout.
Oh dear Terry, you're far too reasonable for this site. We also don't know from what part of the movie this pic may come and for what purpose it was released. For instance, pick a few pics from First Contact and it's BSG before BSG was BSG.
Is it just me or does that look like the interior of a Klingon Garbage scow?
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This didn't come off a BSG web site did it? Doesn't look like Star Trek at all. Except maybe DS9.
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No. If you read the body of the post you click on the red dot. It switches to different angles at the "Ship Yard". Once in a while you can see inside the ship. So it may very well be a taste of the interior of the Enterprise. It doesn't have to look the same as on TOS. I kind of like it. Actually, a pretty clever way to get folks into the new movie.
I wonder if this site will show the ship being moved into orbit as part of the countdown to Xmas 2008? That would be cool.
If I understood Orci correctly, and I may not have, I got the impression that we will not see the ship being built in the movie.
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Doesn't look like Star Trek at all.
Given the comments we've read over the past couple months from both cast and production crew about nature of the production, I think that is exactly the point.
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"The Andorian Mining Consortium runs from no one!"
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In the series, we really only saw ONE corridor. Who's to assume the entire ship has exactly the same cooridors?
Maybe the main rotunda deck had that sleek, bright style since it was meant to impress ambassadors and the like, but the guts of the ship could be largely utilitarian, as they would be off limits to most visiting delegations anyway.
Certainly, The D and E had plenty of rooms and cooridors we never got a glimpse of.
Also keep in mind, the Refit 1701 corridors looked nothing like the series counterparts.
Whos to say that NCC-1701 didn't get a overhaul sometime after it first launched? It looks quite a bit different under Kirk's command from Pike's version in The Cage. The Enterprise was..what...20 years old when Kirk took over? It's not hard to believe some refitting and streamlining had taken place during those 20 years, with as fast as new technology and such would be advancing.
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Also keep in mind, the Refit 1701 corridors looked nothing like the series counterparts.
True. But they also didn't look like a broken-down, "going out of business" department store in a bad part of town after the riot either!
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