Ok, i've heard a lot of trek fans points and complaints about this movie.....and I just have to laugh...and continue laughing and laugh some more...at the fans not Abrams. Abrams is good.
Ok, lets start logically. (You think trek fans were logical wouldn't you with the vulcans and all, sadly not)
As for the industrial production of the Enterprise. Looks right to me. Let me explain in detail. In 24th century trek I have seen hulls being repaired via 'plasma torches.' Which by the name is basically superheated energy melting metal, and appears a lot like modern day welders, virtually the same technology, just can heat stronger alloys. And yes, canonwise, the builders of ships have always had to hand seal all the hull plates and bits and pieces...we've seen it a LOT. People can say 'but what about the worker bee things' well, we've only ever seen them place a hull plate where it should go, then the little guys in eva suits go in with *gasp* a fricken plasma torch and seal the job. So the construction is exactly correct, canon-wise and through realistic interpretation. (I always prefer realism over canon)
As for the, "wtf if they build the ship in the movie that means they're skipping pike" *imitates crying like a baby*
Obviously you ain't seen many movies, or read mnay books...or even seen a few theatre plays. How mnay times do you see movies 'jump' forward 20 years huh?
And its about time trek gets a rebirth. I've seen all of Abrams things. And I can say this, the depth of characters he creates, the depth of stories he goes into, surpasses anything any writer/director has done for trek.
So what if he blows half of what canon is out of the air. There is a saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it." Well, trek IS broken. How many times do you see trek fans arguing over points yet can never win? Because one epsidoe says this can do that when another episode says no it can;t do that. So yeah, trek is a canon mess.
Think etcher sketch, wish-wash, lets start over.
And don't blame Abrams about anything in this movie, because he is a trek fan, but he was told to do a prequel. It wasn't his decision. This is him getting his foot in the door. And after he has done this prequel which paramount wanted him to do, he can then go "now for MY trek."
So stop looking at the now without knowing the facts, look to the possibilities AFTER the movie. The movies idea was paramounts, Abrams was just to write and direct it in the era they told him to.
But once they've made a profit from Abrams, they'd give him free-reign with the franchise which IS a good thing.
He is the best writer for Trek. Voyager was a flop of predictability. Too predictable, why? The same ol' writers all over again. Dry husks that have had their day and lost what ability they once had to do something NEW. braga and the other guy, they tried to do trek again with Enterprise....again, a lot of the same writers, + a few new talents but look what happened. Least watched trek ever, why? It was even more predictable than Voyager! And for someone that had seen many many episodes of trek, it was "same s**t, different smell."
Abrams is always original, he never runs out of something that would trip people out. He comes up with the best twists...and the important thing....he adds a little realism to things and a depth of human emotion, as well as getting the best out of the actors(something previous directors of trek could never get out of the actors). Also, he adds more realism to his projects, especially television series by making EVERY character expendable. he has no qualms with killing off the publics favoruite character. he does it a lot with Lost.
THAT is a good thing.
Abrams is a good thing.
Its paramount that stuffed up telling him to make the movie a prequel.
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stop looking at the now without knowing the facts, look to the possibilities AFTER the movie.
I'd settle for them looking at the possibilities BEFORE this movie. People have so little imagination they can't perceive the value of anything new until it's already been revealed to them. All that whining for nothing.
I loved the trailer. It was wickedly-awesome! But, I didn't really like Nimoy's monologue of "Space..." Just didn't seem to fit. Anyone else felt the same?
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No. It iced the cake for me. That familiar slogan, spoken in Spock’s own voice, is a bridge from the earlier euphoric milestones of American space flight to America’s preeminent science fiction mythology. That connection had to be asserted. It works perfectly for me.
If it seemed non sequitur to you and many other people, it may not have succeeded in persuading the larger audience of non-Trekkies to give Star Trek another chance. Sad, if so.
Holy crap, that was awesome. Nimoy's voiceover sent chills down my spine, how weird is that.
Can't wait to see this in HD....
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Anyone else see it? I loved the new star trek trailer... but I hope that the movie is better than cloverfield. I have never see a crowd of people inisde a theater complain about a movie. It was kinda of scary to think that the star trek franchise are in the hands of this guy. Oh well.... at least Transformers was good.
Very cool. Remember the days when they would reuse footage from OTHER MOVIES for the new Trek trailers? Previous Trek advertising always came off sounding like, "This is a reminder that the Star Trek franchise is out there, and while we're at it, there's another movie coming out in a few months."
And now we get footage that looks like it was made specifically for this teaser. Although they probably still want a franchise, it feels much more like all the eggs are in one basket, and this is a one-shot film.
Plus, the trailer's vagueness is bound to trick a few average moviegoers into liking it, until at the end they realize they're watching an ad for dorky little Star Trek.
The sound at the end of the trailer is from multiple TOS episodes ... most notably used for the wind whistling through the ruins of the City on the Edge of Forever. It was also used for background noise on many alien worlds.
Just wondering if you noticed ...
Quite underwhelmed. Construction doesn’t really look futuristic!
I'll reserve final judgement for a nice hi-res trailer.
Guys...what in this trailer makes you think the E is being constructed on Earth? I've heard this on several trailer descriptions...but in case my eyes are missing something, there is NOTHING that makes me think this HAS to be on Earth.
Have the producers described it as such?
To me, this could easily be an oxygen, enclosed environment/shipyard that's in orbit. In fact, that would make more sense to me if they're going for a little more realism...because the idea of 1000's of workers in zero-G spacesuits with plasma torches never made sense to me. Anyway...just my thoughts.
Guys...what in this trailer makes you think the E is being constructed on Earth? I've heard this on several trailer descriptions...but in case my eyes are missing something, there is NOTHING that makes me think this HAS to be on Earth.
Have the producers described it as such?
To me, this could easily be an oxygen, enclosed environment/shipyard that's in orbit. In fact, that would make more sense to me if they're going for a little more realism...because the idea of 1000's of workers in zero-G spacesuits with plasma torches never made sense to me. Anyway...just my thoughts.
Ah I knew Gabe Koerner's Enterprise was real.
Koerner's Enterprise
There was no one out there who could convince me that this ship was a fake. It was real and labeled as fake. We may not necessarily see that exact scene in the movie but that IS the ship and it has just been confirmed with the trailer during Cloverfield and various new images of Enterprise. There were also 3 images which came out about a month or so ago which also seem to now be the real thing.
At first I did not enthusiastically accept the rumor of an Enterprise re designing, I was very much against it, but within a day or two it has grown on me. I can’t wait to see the movie. I am more excited then I have ever been for a Trek movie or TV series. This ship is the way it should have been the way Roddenberry would have wanted it if the budget was much higher and technologies existed back then that do today as he had said many times in many interviews.
This new ship and the movie are examples of the ingenuity and imagination of star trek, I can tell you, I can feel...Gene is proud.
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Damn it, that is not Gabe's design! The man has said himself that his design is not affiliated with the new film. Geezus.
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interesting. not sure if the industrial construction idea really goes with it. but it's cool. as with the rest that we know of the movie, this teaser still leaves the jury out for me.
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It's a rip-off. / We're stepped on, and cheated! / We're flat, stone-cold lied to / But we're not defeated / No!
Halen. "The Dream is Over."
I think I have just soiled myself..........
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Just watched it on YouTube and it is a good trailer, beatifully produced. It is not a great trailer in my opinion, but it got me more interested in the movie. Go figure.
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I heard Nimoy but didn't see Shatner.
What's up with that?
Don't tell me they were dumb enough to not include Shatner.
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Where have you been for the last 2-3 months when the discussions of Shatner's inclusion (or lack of) have been debated ad-infinitum? Hiding under a rock?
Besides, including Shatner in the movie would not have made sense and everyone would now be moaning about not respecting canon. The scenes with Nimoy are of a version of Spock in the future, the same future where Shatner previously died on the Veridian planet while battling Doctor Soran.
For those who fear it's gonne be deleted: here's a mirror as well as a wallpaper for the movie :)
Mirror & Wallpaper
enjoy!
I just watched it over on TrekMovie.com, and it sure looks like a bootleg. The flickering kind of gets on my nerves a little. But let's get to the content....
It pretty much resembles what's been rumored on this and other sites for the last week or so in terms of the shots and the feel. The audio clips are exactly as described. When it gets to the end and Nimoy's voiceover, it most definitely sounds new, not like something lifted from TWOK or TSFS. For one thing, his voice sounds so much older. And the music sounds as though it was composed specifically for the trailer - not lifted from another source. I especially liked the transporter/Talos IV sound effects at the end.
One thing I didn't like - although the typeface used for the text in the teaser was the same as that on the original Enterprise, the hull font in the teaser was the same as in the movies. Or, take it a step further, from the Franz Josef Technical Manual done in the early '70s. I think, though, that this teaser was created separately from the movie itself, and it's doubtful (at least by me) that any of this footage will show up in the final film.
I don't know how closely JJA and friends are going to stick to canon (or even non-canon), but if you believe the Star Trek Chronology, the big E was launched in 2245. JTK was born in 2233. No way he'd have been around for the construction - he would have been 12 when it was launched, and if the non-canon sources are to be believed (the novel "Avenger"), he was on his way to the Tarsus IV colony with his folks (the one where Kodos the Executioner murdered 4,000 colonists due to a food shortage - see "Conscience Of The King").
I say that to say this - it's more likely the Enterprise we see in the movie will more closely resemble the big E from TOS, and what we see in the teaser is just to illustrate the fact that the movie - like the ship - is "under construction."
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"One thing I didn't like - although the typeface used for the text in the teaser was the same as that on the original Enterprise, the hull font in the teaser was the same as in the movies."
Wow. Didn't see THAT nitpick coming AT ALL.
Does this really affect the outcome of TREK XI one iota? Didn't think so.
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it's more likely the Enterprise we see in the movie will more closely resemble the big E from TOS
If you mean the ship in the teaser is a different ship than what will be in the movie, I don't agree. This is the Enterprise. The fact that it's a little different is what we were told to expect.
As for whether or not the actual construction is in the movie is anyone's guess. But with all the jumping around in time it's possible we will just to establish the importance of it's birth. Or maybe that's been accomplished now. Who knows.
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I don't know how closely JJA and friends are going to stick to canon (or even non-canon), but if you believe the Star Trek Chronology, the big E was launched in 2245. JTK was born in 2233. No way he'd have been around for the construction.
Since Pike is in the film, what we're seeing here is presumably the refitting of the 1701. Unless, of course, Abrams plans to finally put April into the canon and do some sort of flashback to the original launch, which is quite possible.
OTOH if the film IS a reimagining/reboot, then Pike could end up being another character altogether and Kirk could be depicted as the first captain...
The trailer looks interesting -- and strangely sinsiter for some reason. That's probably due to its bootleg quality. I assume it'll be online in proper resolution in a few days.
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I just watched it over on TrekMovie.com, and it sure looks like a bootleg. The flickering kind of gets on my nerves a little. But let's get to the content....
It pretty much resembles what's been rumored on this and other sites for the last week or so in terms of the shots and the feel. The audio clips are exactly as described. When it gets to the end and Nimoy's voiceover, it most definitely sounds new, not like something lifted from TWOK or TSFS. For one thing, his voice sounds so much older. And the music sounds as though it was composed specifically for the trailer - not lifted from another source. I especially liked the transporter/Talos IV sound effects at the end.
One thing I didn't like - although the typeface used for the text in the teaser was the same as that on the original Enterprise, the hull font in the teaser was the same as in the movies. Or, take it a step further, from the Franz Josef Technical Manual done in the early '70s. I think, though, that this teaser was created separately from the movie itself, and it's doubtful (at least by me) that any of this footage will show up in the final film.
I don't know how closely JJA and friends are going to stick to canon (or even non-canon), but if you believe the Star Trek Chronology, the big E was launched in 2245. JTK was born in 2233. No way he'd have been around for the construction - he would have been 12 when it was launched, and if the non-canon sources are to be believed (the novel "Avenger"), he was on his way to the Tarsus IV colony with his folks (the one where Kodos the Executioner murdered 4,000 colonists due to a food shortage - see "Conscience Of The King").
I say that to say this - it's more likely the Enterprise we see in the movie will more closely resemble the big E from TOS, and what we see in the teaser is just to illustrate the fact that the movie - like the ship - is "under construction."
I would think that construction of the Enterprise won't have a lot to do with the movie. Hey, we know we'll see pregnant Winona + George Kirk...so it sounds like we'll be seeing a LOT of timeframes in the movie. Or this could just be a teaser, showing that Trek is under construction both metaphorically and literally (as it's being filmed).
It's defintely a good promotional piece for people who don't know much about Trek 11 or that they're doing a new movie. It'll spark interest in the theatre audiences. I'm a little sad, though, that there's no footage from filming (at least dramatic headshots of Kirk and Spock, etc.). I guess that stuff will be forthcoming in the next few months, though.
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It's defintely a good promotional piece for people who don't know much about Trek 11 or that they're doing a new movie. It'll spark interest in the theatre audiences. I'm a little sad, though, that there's no footage from filming (at least dramatic headshots of Kirk and Spock, etc.). I guess that stuff will be forthcoming in the next few months, though.
I am guessing that will come attached to one of those other little films this year like Iron Man or Indy 4.
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Though I'm tempted beyond belief, I'm going to wait until Cloverfield. lol
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Well, I'm not planning on seeing Cloverfield, so I didn't wait.
I have to say that this teaser didn't really excite me. Perhaps when I see it online on Monday (hopefully in HD), I'll change my mind. I doubt that any of this footage will show up in the film. Teasers are usually made from recycled footage or are made exclusively for the teaser with no intention to be used in the film.
For those who are worried about how the Enterprise looked in the teaser, keep in mind that we're still early in the production process and changes can (and probably will) be made. For example, if you'll recall that in the teaser for Peter Jackson's King Kong, Kong had an offset jaw and a snaggletooth. By the time the film came out months later, all that was changed and he didn't have a snaggletooth anymore.
All I'm saying is let's not get too hyper until the full trailer comes out this summer (probably with Indy 4).
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