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By GustavoLeao / 05:44, 6 January 2008 / Star Trek: Nemesis

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Yesterday, AICN posted a negative review of what they claim is the script of the upcoming Star Trek prequel movie. But today, Star Trek movie writer Roberto Orci posted several comments on the TrekMovie and AICN talkback message boards about the AICN review.

"Yeah. AICN for some reason has never liked us." Orci wrote "The best example was one of their review for Transformers. I forgot which one of those wannabes wrote it, but it basically said how much they loved the humor, the characters, the sequences, and the structure of the movie, but they hated the script. Classic."

"If this movie works, these same folks will say that JJ "saved" a crappy script with his directing, just like Shia "saved' our dialogue by "making" it funny."

"Whoever wrote that piece HAS NOT read the script, and I would trust Nimoy to tell us if we know anything about the Trek universe over just about anybody else."

Regarding the spoiler in the review about the Enterprise and Area 51, Orci posted the following message at AICN board :

"Let's see. Area 51 is a place where we supposedly keep aliens and spacecraft A SECRET. In Star Trek, earth KNOWS there are spaceships and aliens. You might've even heard of one of them. His name is Mr. SPOCK. You do the math."

Later, Orci posted another message at AICN talkback message board regarding the negative controversy caused by the review "Controversy is good. This "review" lowering expectations is good. Bring it on. Maybe we'll put flames right on the side of the Enterprise just for fun."

The original report can be found at TrekMovie.com

The AICN review and spoilers can be found here.



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By: El Dude T (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:44:47 on Jan 06, 2008

Hate to be the pessimist, but I'm going to have to call out Orci on this one. If he had so much damn confidince in his script, then why did he come running out like a little girl to defend it so fast?

I understand it's a business and it all comes down to dollars, but in the end...who cares what a few internet fanboys are going to think? If the teaser knocks us all off our feet at Cloverfield, then that's all we're going to remember. That's all the general audience...the people this movie is supposidly targeting...is going to remember.

JJ has been wise to stay away from this so far, and hopefully will continue to do so. Orci and Kurtzman are already in the dog house as far as I am concerned, for the farce they called 'Transformers.'


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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:52:16 on Jan 06, 2008


Before all the weekend popcorn is gone, catch Leonard Nimoy's interview with Craig Ferguson...

Nimoy on the CBS Late Late Show, January 4th


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By: Chronic Harlot (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 14:38:47 on Jan 06, 2008

Good for him. More film-makers should do the same.

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Rumours don't go over well here | Report this post to moderator
By: Postdoc (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:38:23 on Jan 06, 2008

Before Enterprise premiered one fan who'd toured the Paramount lot sent in the photo which clearly showed the logo patch on a sign attached to a special effects trailer. All he got here was flack-- the design was genuine and revealed what NX-01 looked like. That doesn't mean the whole AICN story is true, however. I do believe are going to "Star Wars-ize" this movie, though. And if that's true I'm wondering why the teaser poster and the follow up use 100% 1960's TOS iconography? With all due respect to Mr.Orci, he can't really give definitive details of a work in progress so why post on these sites?


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AICN... | Report this post to moderator
By: Sam Cogley (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:09:23 on Jan 06, 2008

...once again proves that it is nothing more than a flaming hole of utter douchebaggery. They'd do the Internet a great service if they went away. Permanently.

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    By: c.p. (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:41:19 on Jan 06, 2008

    I hadn't really been to AICN before. Wow, what a burning hunk of vulgarity and cynicism that place is. I read in disbelief as egos swelled and profanity was spewed over the "defacing" of no less an American icon than Optimus Prime, of Transformers fame. All while decrying the superficiality of Hollywood.


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    By: Bean (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 12:22:57 on Jan 06, 2008

    Yeah, I think Patti and some of the other movie detractors were the only ones who really bought into the AICN "review" and really I think it was just out of a desire for it to be true.

    Although I do like the response to AICN, nice to see someone involved in a production basically telling a fansite to go fuck themselves lol.

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    Bring it on. Maybe we'll put flames right on the side of the Enterprise just for fun.

    LMAO! Classic!

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So how did he know about Area 51? | Report this post to moderator
By: Keoki (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:46:38 on Jan 06, 2008 | Edit History (2)

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    By: c.p. (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:18:50 on Jan 06, 2008

    I don't think he meant that Nimoy is his canon coach. The negative reviewer said the writers had zero feel for Roddenberry's universe. Orci is saying he trusts Nimoy's appraisal of their efforts to capture that universe, which of course has been very positive.

    Regarding Area 51. I could see threading it into the story somehow, since it's already been introduced by "Little Green Men". Besides it could be a cool way of explaining that retro flying saucer look to the saucer sections of Federation ships. The technology came from the flying saucers from visiting aliens. You immediately give some credibility to the retro-ish style that this movie will have a dash of.

    But, Orci at Trekmovie.com is saying he won't play the game of denying specific rumors directly because at some point something will come along that IS true, and when he doesn't deny it, the gig's up. So instead, presumably, he's denying it in a round about way: "Area 51, yeah right. THAT makes a lot of sense!", etc.

    I also think he might not want to steal the thunder from the trailer coming out in a couple of weeks with Cloverfield. If, as rumored, it shows the Enterprise being built, then the question will be answered then. Maybe.:)


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    By: Sam Cogley (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:07:28 on Jan 06, 2008

    Only someone with an utter lack of reading comprehension ability would think that Orci "intimated" that Area 51 is in the movie. Methinks many people on this site need to study the phenomenon of "sarcasm" a bit more.

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      By: Keoki (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:15:53 on Jan 06, 2008

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      Only someone with an utter lack of reading comprehension ability would think that Orci "intimated" that Area 51 is in the movie. Methinks many people on this site need to study the phenomenon of "sarcasm" a bit more.

      If Orci wanted to say Area 51 was not in the movie, it would have been much simpler to do so. One way or the other, just because someone doesn't happen to agree with your particular interpretation of the given information, you don't have to be such a dick about it.

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        By: Sam Cogley (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:12:39 on Jan 06, 2008

        Orci was clearly being very sarcastic with his "do the math" comment. I'm glad to see him shoving his foot up AICN's ass.

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        Political tags-such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth-are never basic criteria.
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      By: sb2004 (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:00:32 on Jan 06, 2008

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      Only someone with an utter lack of reading comprehension ability would think that Orci "intimated" that Area 51 is in the movie. Methinks many people on this site need to study the phenomenon of "sarcasm" a bit more.

      Agreed. People are reading what they want to read into these comments. My interpretation is that Orci is saying that whoever claimed to have read the script clearly didn't because he/she got all the facts wrong. The plot gets no thicker than that as far as I'm concerned.

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I'm OK with that news (if it's true) | Report this post to moderator
By: Rhiannon (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:41:12 on Jan 06, 2008 | Edit History (2)

I don't have a problem with the bridge looking like the bridge of a stardestroyer (being larger, perhaps with more stages...) or having other uniforms which doesn't look trek-like. But for that it HAS to be a real reboot. The trek series we know should not emerge out of that movie.
My hope is, that they go back to the birth of Kirk and change timeline from that moment on (Kirk's parents were casted for the characters being of that age). maybe it will work.
But i really hope for a reboot. Like Spock or the Romulans changing things in the past so much that an alternative timeline is created. like a parallel universe. the one we know, the mirror universe and this new one. one of the possibilities is, that the humans learn who the romulans really are (in pre-tos time) and who they are related to. this may change everything for Kirks first five-year-voyage.

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    By: Yelojack (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:55:58 on Jan 06, 2008

    Well if it's true that Kirk is such a dissapointing dummy of a character, as the rumor states, then they should reboot the whole thing. Kirk wasn't a slacker. Gary Mitchell and Finnegan both speak about how stiff he was. The perfect student/cadet. Career driven and sure of who he was from the get-go. Basically a goodie, brown nosing straight A student who liked to get it on with the chicks also. But, I never figured Kirk for a braggart. He's who he was and had a strong libido. Not a dude. I'm really scared about what dumbed down sensibilities JJ and the team will have for our young Kirk. I'm not calling JJ the genius everyone else is until I see this thing.


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    By: jurasturrel (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 12:05:35 on Jan 06, 2008

    Plus it talks and makes its own decisions. The Michael Knight Federation. I'll shut up now.

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    By: HotStove (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 11:28:55 on Jan 06, 2008

    BITCHIN'! Flames on the side of the Enterprise! Maybe they'll put in a roaming LED light like KITT in "Knight Rider"!

    :)

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By: c.p. (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:19:06 on Jan 06, 2008

I sort of wish he'd have stayed above the fray. Though I certainly understand the temptation to fire back at an idiot, if you're the author of the new Star Trek movie, you should probably just be magnanimous and not give backward nerds the satisfaction of a dialogue. It also has the unfortunate effect of legitimizing the negative review a bit because he gave in to his self doubt and answered his critics with equal zeal.

I wish he'd have just said, "Whoever wrote that has not seen the script. There is no Area 51 in our script. This person is lying and we should get used to more of it. You've got a year to put up with naysayers and people just looking to stir up trouble. We are very confident in our script; please reserve your judgement for the real thing, not some anonymous review from a nameless source from a website replete with incredible sources and faulty rumors. Thank you."


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    By: Reklaw (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:36:10 on Jan 06, 2008

    He later posted a comment in which he himself said he shouldn't have responded. He also made it clear he wont do it again.

    I think it is neat that he is engaging in the discussions, but he definitely shouldn't respond to the negative comments.

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By: Merlinus Ambrosius (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:36:01 on Jan 06, 2008

I knew that shit was fake.

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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 06:41:35 on Jan 06, 2008 | Edit History (1)

Quote from TrekWeb:
Regarding the rumor that a AICN source has seen footage of the new redesigned U.S.S. Enterprise, Orci said at the AICN talkback

"If you watch the TV series and many of the movies than - if you are a Star Wars fan like me - you always have the feeling that there is a discrepancy between the size of the alien worlds / the space ship(s) of the Federation and the locations where most of the scenes have been shot. In other words, the Bridge is more like a living room and does not match the size nor style of gigantic size of the Enterprise at all. It is certainly unbelievable because it's mostly the only place we get to see (and of course three or four other places, but all in all just 1 percent of the ship, I presume)."
"We'll, this movie is gonna end all that for sure. The "stage play" and Disney like nature of the TV episodes is gone, the "we'll only show you three locations but trust me, this really is a gigantic spaceship we're flying around in"-feeling will also be gone."



?!?

Those are not Orci's words, that's a comment from an AICN source.

Orci's little pissing match with AICN readers is HERE. His username is Boborci.


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By: jayUK (Odo's file, contact) @ 06:00:46 on Jan 06, 2008

...that.s a first!


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