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Harlan Ellison Denies Rumors of Use of Elements of "The City on The Edge of Forever" in New Star Trek Movie

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By GustavoLeao / 09:47, 11 December 2007 / Star Trek: Nemesis

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In a video interview to Trek Movie Report, "The City of The Edge of Forever" writer Harlan Ellison revealed that the Guardian of Forever will not appear in J.J. Abrams upcoming Star Trek movie.(story)

"Some idiot reported [in the internet] that they have taken elements from my "City of The Edge of Forever" Ellison said "The Guardian of Forever, the story of Edith Keeler, all this stuff is mine, because of the Writer's Guild."

"In fact, J.J. Abrams, who is one of my favorite writers, and a brilliant, brilliant writer, does not need to steal from me. So it turned out to be bullshit. Turned out to be crap. [...] a friend of mine has seen the [Star Trek] script and said no, thats bullshit."

This information is preliminary, of course, and entirely rumor.

You can view the video interview here.



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Its nice to see Ellison is still as big an ass | Report this post to moderator
By: GrabThors Hammer (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 06:16:49 on Dec 13, 2007

as he he ever was.

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By: Captain's Blog (Odo's file, contact) @ 06:56:26 on Dec 12, 2007

Could have been good with the old Guardian...

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Good. | Report this post to moderator
By: Hbasm (Odo's file, contact) @ 05:02:21 on Dec 12, 2007

So we know nothing. Good to know.

All efforts to spoil the movie should be in vain.


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Power to the Pee-Ons | Report this post to moderator
By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:22:51 on Dec 11, 2007 | Edit History (1)


Ellison had responded to questions of potential plagiarism posted by fans at his own website. He didn't solicit wide publicity. The usual gossip bloggers then stoked his words into a wildfire, and the usual dumbass readership sucked that up as such.

How much more suffocatingly PC this world would be without the Harlan Ellisons.


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  • RE: Power to the Pee-Ons | Report this post to moderator
    By: jamesrkirk (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:35:41 on Dec 11, 2007

    Calling Bullshit on this one. It wasn't some fan who went moaning to Ellison, it was Peter David. Which should surprise no one, since David is pretty much awe struck by his own sense of self importance most days of the week.

    They are birds of a feather. David and Ellison are both convinced that they are the great literary minds since The Bard. At least in Harlan's case he really has written some quality stuff. David has spent his entire professional life riding the coat tales of others. Frank Millar once said that Peter David had never had an original idea in his life. I detest Millar but in this case he was right.

    So it wasn't a fan clueing Harlan into what was going on, it was Peter David being the usual dick that he is.


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      By: falcon (Odo's file, contact) @ 05:30:47 on Dec 12, 2007

      Not to hijack the thread or anything, but I just finished reading Peter David's "Before Dishonor", and I gotta say, I was pretty underwhelmed. Frank Millar seems to know what he's talking about - there were so many rehashed plots in this book I was frankly amazed. And the characterizations were weak - I mean, come on, if you're going to involve Spock, of all people, give him something meatier to do than lock the vessel on course (which he did in "The Menagerie," an event alluded to in the book).

      David has written better books, but this wasn't one of them. Ellison is by far the better writer. And if the Guardian of Forever were going to be featured in the new movie, if I were Harlan I'd feel more flattered than angry. But that's just me. I'm not a phallus (I hope). :-)

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      By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 23:33:16 on Dec 11, 2007 | Edit History (1)

      Quote from jamesrkirk:
      So it wasn't a fan clueing Harlan into what was going on, it was Peter David being the usual dick that he is.


      I'll repeat the point: Ellison was quoted from a post at his own website.

      Ellison's comment was addressed to "MARK GOLDBERG or ANYONE ELSE", as a response to the following heads-up, which had appeared hours earlier...

      Harlan,

      Not sure if you have heard about this yet or not, but apparently JJ Abrams is using elements from the City of the Edge of Forever in the new Star Trek film he is developing.

      Thought you would want to know, if this has not been brought to your attention already.


      Ellison says his actual feelings toward the matter were exaggerated by the media...

      For anyone else tuning in to this matter, there is a large gap, nay, an abyss, nay, a limitless chasm, between being mildly piqued, annoyed, exhaustedly weary of dealing with this crap, and being 'stinking mad.' I have no bone to pick with [the media], but I probably have a tibia to gnaw with whoever thought that was an appropriate headline...since it mischaracterizes my feelings at the moment.


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Find the brilliant writer... | Report this post to moderator
By: Tupperfan (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:02:34 on Dec 11, 2007 | Edit History (2)

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[...]J.J. Abrams, who is one of my favorite writers, and a brillhant, brillhant writer, [...]

Yeah, well, someone's writing skills shines a little less...

And talking of shiny, I have to agree with Spirit, Terry and Jean-Luc that Ellison is quite an whiny ass! Mah, guess he has a right to...

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By: Jean-Luc (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:14:50 on Dec 11, 2007

This information is preliminary, of course, and entirely rumor.

So that means that this is a rumor debunking a rumor!
If the first rumor is true and this rumor isn't then the Guardian will be in it. If the first rumor isn't true then this rumor doesn't matter, unless it's true which just confirms the first rumor wasn't true to begin with.

As I opinioned before, restarting a franchise with a time travel movie shouldn't be the way to go. I think there are enough stories to be had with good drama and character development sans time travel. IMHO the new viewer who might end up going to see the movie may find the time travel aspect confusing.

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Bullshit eh? | Report this post to moderator
By: SpiritOne (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 12:04:32 on Dec 11, 2007

So your got your panties all up in a bunch for no good reason, and now all you can do is swear about it? Aren't you supposed to be like, a writer, or something.

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    By: Jean-Luc (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:33:29 on Dec 11, 2007

    So Ellison publicly talks about taking legal action (previously, on TrekWeb...) without even verifying the facts? ...Always An Ass!

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The Guardian of Forever | Report this post to moderator
By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 11:08:04 on Dec 11, 2007

I am really sad that the Guardian will not appear in the movie (if Mr Ellison is right) because I am a big fan of that pivotal TOS episode and I always find The Guardian a fascinating and misterious character.

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Gustavo--please change headline | Report this post to moderator
By: Terry212 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 09:56:25 on Dec 11, 2007

I think the rumor that the Guardian of Forever being in ST11 (and presumably being the manner of time travel used in the movie) was pretty well spoiled by headlines on this site. I'd already been spoiled, so I clicked on this news story to listen to Harlan Ellison whine and pontificate and overreact and bitch as he is wont to do.

Well, I was delighted to see that I'm now unspoiled. The headline should obviously be: Harlan Ellison Debunks Rumor; Guardian of Forever Not to Appear in Star Trek 11.

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    By: Bean (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 10:10:50 on Dec 11, 2007

    While I'm loathe to sound like a conspiracy nut, I think the headline is fine. Just because he's denying it doesn't mean it's not true.

    I will say that I think this is on the level, the rumor hasn't been "debunked" only denied.

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      By: Terry212 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 10:17:33 on Dec 11, 2007

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      While I'm loathe to sound like a conspiracy nut, I think the headline is fine. Just because he's denying it doesn't mean it's not true.

      I will say that I think this is on the level, the rumor hasn't been "debunked" only denied.

      well, I'm happy with what Gustavo changed it to. Denies instead of debunks is fine. Frankly, I thought involving the Guardian was too complicated. You'd have to probably understand the occurrences of "City." Also, I think in the context of a movie where a villain purposely time-travels to change time, the Guardian is a weak plot device that non-Trekkie moviegoers would hate. I mean...the bad guy wants to go back in time and he just happens to find a freaking arch that takes you anywhere/anytime you want to go? Not to mention the fact that it seems pretty certain we'll be dealing with more than just one instance of time travel based on Kirk and Spock's parents' age, so we'd have to have Nero going back and forth to the Guardian multiple times. Lame. So I'm so glad to hear the rumor is denied.

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        By: c.p. (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:27:21 on Dec 11, 2007

        Yeah, I guess you're right. Frankly, I'm trying not to think about spoiled plot elements that much, but when I heard the rumor that The Guardian would be in the movie my reaction was positive, because there's going to have to be some kind of plot device to get characters from different times together anyway and I was excited they were managing to use one that was from a favorite fan episode and that wasn't using scientifically suspect methods such as whipping around a star, which surely everybody would be doing all the time if it were that easy. I hope that J.J.'s come up with something better than all the above. I will have to continue not to think too hard about it. :)


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    By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 10:04:00 on Dec 11, 2007

    Okay, I changed the headline to "Harlan Ellison Denies Rumors of Use of Elements of "The City of The Edge of Forever" in New Star Trek Movie". Hope that is okay, best I can do.

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      By: Terry212 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 10:06:53 on Dec 11, 2007

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      Okay, I changed the headline to "Harlan Ellison Denies Rumors of Use of Elements of "The City of The Edge of Forever" in New Star Trek Movie". Hope that is okay, best I can do.

      Gustavo

      awesome! I'm not trying to be nitpicky. I think those who complained about spoilers in headlines would be angered by the old headline and the prior headlines "spoiling" them on this issue. I think anyone who is avoiding spoilers would avoid this news story based on the old headline because they don't want to read more info about "City" being used in Trek 11. I think the new headline will put their minds at ease that they weren't spoiled. I know I felt better after reading it, as I'm trying to avoid plot-spoilers, too. (As for the look of uniforms and the special effects, I don't mind being spoiled).

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