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By: Hbasm (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:43:03 on Nov 05, 2007

The movies have never appealed to me, but I have only good memories of Picard in the series. A most sympatic character. An honest man, with a purified soul, diplomatic and well balanced.

Its great when an actor can benefit from the role he is playing, and become a better person. I can only imagine how it influences an actor if he always gets to play the bad guy... I don't know.

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God-awful = I still paid money to see them every time | Report this post to moderator
By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:24:44 on Nov 05, 2007

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Yeah, the only reason TNG, as the most successful Trek show ever, is no longer culturally significant is because the TNG movies were so god-awful. The popularity of TNG easily should have produced 6 or 7 movies, at least.

Yeah, you're right. What First Contact needed to be successful was Shatner as Kirk, battling the Borg queen and ripping his shirt off at the end (wonder who would have the bigger rack, eh?) and Captain Sulu commanding the Excelsior against the Borg cube.. right?

[rolls eyes]

First Contact was awful, eh? Yeah.. but I bet you had a nice fat chubby 11 years ago when your but was in the theater watching it.

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  By: simeet (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:08:26 on Nov 05, 2007

  No, honestly I was not even in middle school then and I rolled my eyes at First Contact and refused to see it, because I distinctly remember thinking that Star Trek was stale and derivative.
  I knew that First Contact was not going to be special, and I was tired of the same old Trek.
  

  
  

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  • RE: God-awful = I still paid money to see them every time | Report this post to moderator
    By: The Magrathean (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:05:50 on Nov 05, 2007

    If you were using words like "stale" and "derivative" before you were even in middle school, that just confirms you're a pompous ass!

    
    

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By: dx31701 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 09:33:53 on Nov 04, 2007 | (1)

TNG is a true classic of television, second only to TOS in the franchise.

That's not counting the TNG movies, of course, which represent Star Trek at its very weakest, even next to Voyager and Enterprise.

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  By: Captain's Blog (Odo's file, contact) @ 05:32:40 on Nov 05, 2007

  Come on, people - the movies weren't that bad! Enough all ready. The TOS films weren't perfect either.
  
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Somebody Ask Stewart Why They Made Crap TNG Movie | Report this post to moderator
By: simeet (Odo's file, contact) @ 03:32:35 on Nov 04, 2007 | (1)

Yeah, the only reason TNG, as the most successful Trek show ever, is no longer culturally significant is because the TNG movies were so god-awful. The popularity of TNG easily should have produced 6 or 7 movies, at least.

I want to know why Patrick Stewart and the TNG actors, when they had a lot of power, did not demand Paramount produce quality Trek movies. They all loudly complain NOW, Jonathan Frakes Marina Sirtis, and Levar Burton all have lambasted the Trek movies. (Brent Spiner and Stewart not so much, probably since they got all the screen time)

Why did Stewart allow Generations to get made, when Leonard Nimoy even pointed out the script was awful? Nimoy refused to direct Generations unless the script was revised, but Paramount refused to give more time to develop the sciprt, and Nimoy walked away. Most recognize that Generations was rushed and not solid, and the resulting film is inadequate. Yet Patrick Stewart was happy to cash his check.

First Contact was the best TNG film, but it fell short of greatness. It never made sense why the Borg would send ONE cube to battle Earth, and time travel AFTER the battle was lost, allowing the Federation ships to notice. Why did the Federation have so few defenses for Earth? But granted the movie was entertaining, if too action-oriented and dumbed-down.

Insurrection and Nemesis were just piles of turd. Nothing further to add. The box office failures ended the TNG franchise.

The Next Generation was the most successful Trek series, yet the TNG films departed from the cerebral, socially relevant issues and became dumbed-down Picard and Data action hero flicks. There was little to no SCIENCE FICTION elements, little drama, and little to no socially relevant issues raised. Even the characters of TNG felt like they were different from the show.

Someone ask Patrick Stewart why he cashed the checks, but refused to demand Paramount made quality Trek movies, and also ask why Brent Spiner blamed the fans for Nemesis's failure.

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  By: Orion Pimpdaddy (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:15:48 on Nov 05, 2007

  I agree with all of simeet's points. The TNG movies are when a lot of people I knew stopped following Trek. On average, they are watered down and uninteresting. "All Good Things... " is better than any of the movies.

  
  

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    By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 19:20:59 on Nov 05, 2007

    "All Good Things..." is one of the best Star Trek episodes ever and show how superior the TV Series was.
    
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  By: SuperDave (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:33:23 on Nov 04, 2007

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  I want to know why Patrick Stewart and the TNG actors, when they had a lot of power, did not demand Paramount produce quality Trek movies.
  
  The scary thing is that Stewart apparently thought they actually were making quality Trek movies. He even defended Nemesis, calling it the best movie they'd done yet.
  
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  • RE: Somebody Ask Stewart Why They Made Crap TNG Movie | Report this post to moderator
    By: simeet (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:10:54 on Nov 05, 2007

    That's true. Stewart was on record saying that he and others felt that Nemesis was the best Trek film.
    That's why Paramount should never have allowed Stewart and Spiner to get involved with the script.
    
    

    
    

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  By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 11:00:51 on Nov 04, 2007

  Well, we can blame Stewart, Spiner and Frakes for helping end the TNG franchise on the big screen. Stewart was associate producer on Insurrection and demanded a lot of changes on Michael Piller's script, Spiner co-wrote Nemesis and Frakes, of course, directed First Contact and Insurrection. But the real villain here is indeed Rick Berman, for producing and co-writing those awful movies (I still think Generations was the best of the lot, thanks to the talent of director David Carson).
  
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  • RE: Somebody Ask Stewart Why They Made Crap TNG Movie | Report this post to moderator
    By: Captain's Blog (Odo's file, contact) @ 05:30:48 on Nov 05, 2007

    Ditto on the actors - but how could anyone think that FC is an awful movie? It got great reviews and was a bona fide hit.
    
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• RE: Somebody Ask Stewart Why They Made Crap TNG Movie | Report this post to moderator
  By: Glassman Cometh (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:33:05 on Nov 04, 2007

  Nimoy refused to do Generations because SPOCK's role wasn't big enough..NOT because he hated the script...
  
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    By: captainkoloth (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 15:27:43 on Nov 04, 2007

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    Nimoy refused to do Generations because SPOCK's role wasn't big enough..NOT because he hated the script...
    
    Well, that's not exactly right. He didn't think his role was meaningful enough. He felt his lines in the script could have been for any character. I also thought I read that he had reservations about the script in general too. Whatever. : )
    
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    • RE: Somebody Ask Stewart Why They Made Crap TNG Movie | Report this post to moderator
      By: simeet (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:54:04 on Nov 04, 2007

      Nimony was supposed to DIRECT the movie. But he wanted changes in the script, but Paramount refused to wait.
      
      Thus Nimoy bolted, and he was right, Generations filmed without a solid script. And none of the TNG actors held up the movie to make sure it was a quality film.
      
      They like to bash the movies NOW, but I wonder what they were doing when it COUNTED.

      
      

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