Trek Brasilis has to remove again the Generations file for download because of heavy traffic problems - the site went offline yesterday and today because of heavy traffic. But now you can see the Generations video at YouTube. Enjoy.
Gustavo
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Chaotic thinks Generations is the best of the TNG films, and he says Shatner "WILL" and "SHOULD" be in Star Trek XI? Heh, I guess he has officially lost all credibility, and is a big fan of studio-driven gimmicks in film, haha.
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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.
If Generations had ended before Kirk was "lost" in the nexus than I would say it was a good movie. How long would that have been? About 10 minutes or so? After that, the movie takes the major nosedive!
It is hard to say that any of the TNG movies are aging well. In fact, I cannot get excited over the 20th Anniversary of TNG. I am not saying it was a bad show because I enjoyed it. I am more interested in the DS9 anniversary.
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"Life's tough. It's tougher if you're stupid."
-- John Wayne
"Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence."
--Dr. Leonard McCoy
"I'm a politician, which means I am a cheat and a liar, and when I am not kissing babies I am stealing their lollipops."
-- Jeffrey Pelt, The Hunt for Red October
"Liberals, Intellectuals, Peacemongers, IDIOTS!!!!"
- General Decker, Mars Attacks
"It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires, both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."
- Q from Q Who
Worst. Trek Movie. Ever. Meanwhile, First Contact looks like it was made last year, not eleven years ago - compare it to movies of the time.
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"I would be happy for Star Trek to come along decades later with a new group of minds. I'd love someone to say, 'Besides this one, Gene Roddenberry's was nothing!'" - Gene Roddenberry
"...I think it would be wonderful years from now to see Star Trek come back with an equally talented new cast playing Spock and Kirk and Bones and Scotty and all the rest, as they say tomorrow's things to tomorrow's generations..." - Gene Roddenberry
I do remember viewing this video many years ago as others have. I never bothered saving it because the video and audio quality are so poor. To be perfectly honest, this version of the Soran fight with Kirk was much better than the end result. Getting shot in the back was pretty anti-climatic, so they changed it. I also agree that any ending where Kirk dies is a bad one. If it had happened with Spock, Bones, Scotty around, it may have worked. But with him and just Picard, no.
As for the Generations love fest in this post, I can only laugh. I've seen ever Trek film in a theater since The Voyage Home, and Generations was the only one I was not captivated or entertained by at all. The Nexus was an almost ridiculous concept, with the segment of Picard with his "family" being completely dumb. I just found it so weird how Picard was acting completely different from anything in TNG, and when Kirk was ignoring Picard, that was very uncomfortable. I enjoyed Brent Spiner in this movie, though, if there's to be one positive.
I remember when First Contact was coming out, and soon after, and would say the near unanimous majority of fans were so happy that it was as good as it was, so they could forget about Generations.
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Sorry Scooby, but I was not one of those fans who thought FIRST CONTACT was better. FIRST CONTACT ruined the BORG and the plot was so A to B to C.
Generations is a movie with a larger theme. People keep bashing the Nexus plot device because they just don't get the theme of the movie. I shall try to keep this simple, so you FIRST CONTACT fans can follow along..
The NEXUS represents heaven, Narvana. It takes over our lives so much, we neglect our purpose to live. THAT is what the movie is about.
The movie has three major characters with Kirk, Soran and Picard playing out different parts of the same theme. That theme is 'time' and how we think of it. The Nexus, where time doesn't exist, is the perfect magnet for all three of them...
I can understand how that is hard to grip for some of those in this crowd. But that is okay. The ANIMATED SERIES is now out on DVD for those who need more simple plots like, well, First Contact.
First Contact RUINED the Borg by giving them a queen to speak for them. Totally gutted what made the Borg so scary in the first place.
The REVENGE theme of Picards, and the Moby Dick references, were already done in Star Trek, and in a much better movie...oh...yeah...I forgot. That A.D.D.problem some of you have must have been kicking in....
Sorry...GENERATIONS ages like sweet wine. FIRST CONTACT is what it is..a cartoon for the masses. I expected more from this fan base. Bush's NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND montra just isn't working in our school system I guess..
Chaotic...
[insert comment about Kirk's death here]
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Yes, no version of final act of Kirk is worth squat. I'd just assume amnesia and forget it ever happened.
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"Life's tough. It's tougher if you're stupid."
-- John Wayne
"Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence."
--Dr. Leonard McCoy
"I'm a politician, which means I am a cheat and a liar, and when I am not kissing babies I am stealing their lollipops."
-- Jeffrey Pelt, The Hunt for Red October
"Liberals, Intellectuals, Peacemongers, IDIOTS!!!!"
- General Decker, Mars Attacks
"It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires, both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."
- Q from Q Who
As I have said before, and will say it again on this GENRATIONS thread, Genrations is the best of the TNG movies.
First Contact is not aging well, and Insurrection and Nemesis were just not good.
I think GENERATIONS had a great message to it. Great music. Kirk and Picard share some great time and...well, it comes down to Kirk's death..
I have no problem with how he died. Saving a planet of complete strangers is a far more heroic death than fighting the Borg. And since he had made his peace with the Klingons in Star Trek 6 there was no need for one more battle with him and the Klingons...
I say here now...loud and to all those who can hear me...Star Trek Generations is a very good Star Trek film. TNG's fall from grace would follow very soon...This was TNG's finest theatric moment...
Chaotic
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FC not ageing well? It looks like it was made a couple of years ago - not 11 years.
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"I would be happy for Star Trek to come along decades later with a new group of minds. I'd love someone to say, 'Besides this one, Gene Roddenberry's was nothing!'" - Gene Roddenberry
"...I think it would be wonderful years from now to see Star Trek come back with an equally talented new cast playing Spock and Kirk and Bones and Scotty and all the rest, as they say tomorrow's things to tomorrow's generations..." - Gene Roddenberry
Uh, yeah..I think everyone knows that the test audience hated it and so instead we got Soren blowing up real good....
I'm fine with being in the minority. Thanks.
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VoR
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Flavius: What do you call those?
Spock: I call them ears.
Flavius: Are you trying to be funny?
Spock: Never.
Either way, Kirk's ending sucked. What they should have done was refilm so that Kirk lived. His death added nothing to the movie.
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Why the smeg d'ya think Shatner started "writing" the new novels? He had originally conceived a possible storyline to have Kirk be resurrected, and tried to sell it to the bung-for-brains Rick Berman, who basically told him to blow off. So instead, he decided to novelize it and BOOM! He started a storyline that covered NINE novels.
_NJR_ Just my opinion...
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He had originally conceived a possible storyline to have Kirk be resurrected, and tried to sell it to the bung-for-brains Rick Berman, who basically told him to blow off.
For once, I agree with Rick Berman. Personally, we should have one resurrection per franchise and that was spent on bringing back Spock.
Resurrection and time travel can devalue a franchise - and that's what happened with STAR TREK under Berman - story devices that used too often makes the human experience of the characters seem less real.
Death is a journey we all must take [LOTR] and Kirk's death - with Shatner agreement to that fact when he made GENERATIONS - should remain intact and canon.
Sorry to disappoint, but this version isn't new. I've found an exact copy of this download on my hard disk and it's 3 years old. I don't know where I got it back then but it's been there for the last 3 years.
Still a flawed movie... but I definitely like this better than the ending they went with.
VoR
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Flavius: What do you call those?
Spock: I call them ears.
Flavius: Are you trying to be funny?
Spock: Never.
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I agree with Nicholas, this ending was horrendous, I can't fathom why you think this version is better than the version which ended up in the film. Kirk getting a cheap plasma blast to the back? Please.
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You're in the minority then, VoR. The reason they refilmed the ending was because the majority of the test audience DIDN'T like this ending. As Shatner himself was quoted in GET A LIFE!, the audience didn't believe "a phaser blast in the ass" was the way they wanted to see Kirk snuff it.
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This ending exposed even greater then the final ending what was wrong with Generations.
- two "heroes" ganging up on the bad guy. It made both Kirk, but especially Picard look very, very weak.
- There was limited drama and tension to the fight on the mountain. I just didnt feel it. And with both Kirk and Picard there, Soran became the underdog, not the heroes.
- Kirk's death was so forced. Both endings had the same problem - the death was unneccesary and fell waaaaaaay short of Spock's emotional sacrifice in TWOK
- The gimmick of the Nexus eliminated any real risk for the heros. if they failed, they'd be back in the nexus again and able to give it another shot.
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To be fair, this was unedited footage. I guess they'd do their best with that footage to make a decent fight out of it.
But I dont care how you edit that crap, how could ANYONE in their right mind have written that ending on a paper, read it over and said, "Yeah! That's it!"
It sucks.
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