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By: mirrorKIRK (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:28:40 on Jul 31, 2007

one word for you if you want the shat.
...Q
Or if he were to get in better shape you could have a black screen saying one thing - "ONE YEAR BEFORE GENERATIONS" or a star date before generations. If harrison ford can still be Indy then shat can be Kirk. Think about it. There are so many options for a kirk character (more if he were in better shape). If guinan can have an echo then Kirk can in the Nexus, but no hologram, a cameo won't do. Also, some may fail to realize that he has become so endowed in the kirk character that i do not really think that any other person could adequately play kirk. A creative writer can get it done. The people who cut the checks know that shatner and nimoy bring in the cash - not just one of them.

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Move On! No Shatner! No Nimoy! | Report this post to moderator
By: sirbroiler (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:03:05 on Jul 24, 2007

All of these whiny Trek fans need to grow up and move on. Shatner and Nimoy had their chances. If Shatner were so committed to Trek and it's future, he would have demanded a better story-line for Kirk in Generations or not done the movie at all. Now, after cashing his Generations paycheck, he wants more for Kirk. You think it's because he wants what's best for the franchise? Hell no! He wants to be able to write more books, keep his Kirk alive for ever - so he can MAKE MONEY.

No doubt, Enterprise was a bad move, even though I personally thought it was headed down the right track just as it was cancelled. But it's time for a great creative mind (Yes, J.J. is a great creative mind) to put his stamp on Star Trek, and take it to a place existing fans can embrace, and new fans can adopt. And that means a new Kirk, a new Spock and No Shatner/Nimoy.

Reinvention can be a blessing. Look at Galactica. Look at Batman Begins. It can work people. Give J.J. a chance - and don't chain him to the relics that will only bog down Trek - just like they did in Generations. A complete disaster in my book.

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• RE: Move On! No Shatner! No Nimoy! | Report this post to moderator
  By: Grizzlor (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:11:44 on Jul 24, 2007

  Shatner is writing books and making money off Kirk anyway. In fact, he is now writing books about Kirk, in the academy.
  
  As for "Moving On." Well, unfortunately, yes, a large swath of Trek viewers have moved on from Star Trek. As for Shatner doing Generations, what, no one is entitled to a reprieve? A second chance? Have a heart.

  
  

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Respect? | Report this post to moderator
By: cdydatzigs (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:18:17 on Jul 24, 2007

If you guys actually "respected" the character of Kirk, you wouldn't wheel the bloated, elderly, overexposed William Shatner out to the studio, prop him up in front of a camera and destroy canon. Let my last images of him be as a hero who looks believable. Not Denny Crane in a tunic... talk about gimmicks.

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"If a sixth Star Trek television series is ever realized, it will be set in the new universe." -- cdydatzigs, June 15, 2009.

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  By: psp1 (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:12:31 on Jul 29, 2007

  I think you make a great point here. My heart says let him have a last go at it. But my head says- look at the guy. I mean it is really hard to believe it is even the same guy when you look at Shatner even 15 years ago versus now.
  15 years ago he was kind of pushing projecting the persona of an aging but still clever Captain. Now I don't think he can really carry it off.
  I really like the idea of a cameo by him, but also detest the idea that the last vision of Captain Kirk will be an unrecognizable overweight blob.
  I guess one possibility in this age of CGI is to resurrect some older images of him and have him do the dialog.
  
  
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  By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:09:19 on Jul 24, 2007

  That's the kind of ridiculous attitude that caused the downfall of this franchise. Shatner is still quite capable of playing the role.

  
  

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By: gorgon (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:00:46 on Jul 23, 2007

its just hype they are keeping it as a surprise for the con
he will be in it

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I just want to go against the fanboys... | Report this post to moderator
By: Kamen Rider Blade (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:58:45 on Jul 23, 2007

I'm fine with the idea of no Shatner in this movie. Hell, I'd prefer not to have Nimoy either, and just let the new guys shine without any past actors in it.
Of course, regardless of what happens, I know I'll be there on opening day.

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Mark my words...He WILL | Report this post to moderator
By: Glassman Cometh (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:37:48 on Jul 23, 2007

Mark my words..the SHAT will be in this movie. I don't care what they are saying, it would just go against everything about 'buzz' that there is....

Shatner is on TV. He may win yet another Emmy. He is the most popular thing ever, EVER, to come out of TREk...and he is alive and kicking. They MUST know that Shatner/Nimoy will not be around forever. This is their chacne to get these two back together one more time...if they can't see this simple reasoning then they are dumb...

So...I don't think JJ is dumb. Shatner will be in this movie. Either vocally...Hologram...post-GEN...it doesn't matter how...HE will be in this movie, and I am pretty sure the bean counters at Paramount will make sure that he is...

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Kirk deserve a better ending than Berman gave him (this is frustrating | Report this post to moderator
By: NEXUS (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:52:28 on Jul 23, 2007

What a waste it is going to be if tptb are doing a TOS film + do not include Shatner as Kirk.

No major character has ever had a worse ending that Kirk.

This is the chance to right the wrongs of Generations and give Kirk the dignity he deserves.

Shatner is the only thing cool about ST these days and the producers in their infinite wisdom are doing everything they can to keep him out of the film.

If Shatner is not in the film as a post Generations Kirk, I hope it tanks

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  By: Plaid Ninja (Odo's file, contact) @ 06:47:19 on Jul 24, 2007

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  No major character has ever had a worse ending that Kirk.
  
  Tasha Yar - killed by the tar baby, resurrected, then killed again offscreen, her fate spilled out like a throwaway comment by her daughter.
  

  
  

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    By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:10:01 on Jul 24, 2007

    Tasha Yar doesn't hold a candle to Kirk in importance to the franchise. And she got a reprieve.

    
    

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  • RE: Kirk deserve a better ending than Berman gave him (this is frustra | Report this post to moderator
    By: Glassman Cometh (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:02:45 on Jul 24, 2007 | (1)

    I disagree. I actually like Generations BETTER than First Contact. Generations is the best 'thematic' TNG movie, and Kirk's death was, I thought, done pretty good. Should Spock have been there? Yes, but Nimoy didn't want to be in that movie for a cameo (Yet he does now).
    
    Kirk died having 'fun'. And, in my opinion, he died a hero. Did the wrong captain die? Well...DUH!
    
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      By: Captain Patti (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:00:11 on Jul 25, 2007

      He didn't die a hero. He died a fools death. It made no sense. Falling off of rocks??? come on...that is dumb
      
      Generations was just stupid.

      
      

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There is still time to get Shatner involved | Report this post to moderator
By: NEXUS (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:40:30 on Jul 23, 2007

What is wrong with these people?

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• RE: There is still time to get Shatner involved | Report this post to moderator
  By: msspurlock (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:11:57 on Jul 24, 2007

  That's easy to answer. Like all of Hollywood they don't respect the creator of something they want to subvert. Like Berman, they want credit for "remaking" something that isn't theirs.

  
  

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By: jimbtnp (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:43:20 on Jul 23, 2007

the shat is kirk

respect the man, get him in there

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  By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 06:16:11 on Jul 24, 2007

  Shatner's absence is really putting a dark cloud on this movie.
  
  I hope they don't think that because it's Star Trek, the hardcore fans will come no matter what. That hasn't been true for a long time.

  
  

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  By: Gallifrey1983 (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:19:07 on Jul 23, 2007

  Big disappointment if no Shatner, even more so if it build on the lousy foundation of Generations. Better to build on the previous 6 films. Particularly Kirk's comment at the end of Star Trek III that Spock would have come back for him, "you would have done it for me." Generations feels disconnected from the TOS franchise.

  
  

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  By: spockster (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:59:23 on Jul 23, 2007

  You know, if they just had him doing voice overs, that would be fine too. Can't they CGI Kirk and use Shatner to voice it..err...him?

  
  

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    By: OriginalDefiant (Odo's file, contact) @ 23:19:31 on Jul 23, 2007

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    Can't they CGI Kirk and use Shatner to voice it..err...him?
    
    Or maybe they could do it like Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan at the start of X-Men 3! That seemed to work, so why would it not for Shatner(!)?
    

    
    

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