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By: Locutus (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:19:20 on Jul 23, 2007

Personally, whatever Matt's age, I think he has a youthful enough personality to pull off a twenty-something Kirk. There's not a whole lot of difference between a twenty-seven year old and a thirty-seven year old if a person takes care of their body (as I am sure Damon does).

That being said, I would much rather see a thirty-three year old Kirk.

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By: Captain's Blog (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:44:06 on Jul 22, 2007

Damon would make a good Kirk.

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Not that young... | Report this post to moderator
By: Irving Morrell (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:36:38 on Jul 22, 2007

I think Kirk has to be at least 27. Captain Tryla Scott was the youngest captain at 26, which I think was stated in TNG's "Conspiracy," Season 1, Episode 24. Do any Canon Whores want to agree or disagree with me???

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  By: Glassman Cometh (Odo's file, contact) @ 06:21:40 on Jul 23, 2007

  Does it matter?
  
  I don't see any reason why they need to follow any continuity at all...that would limit story possibilities. JJABRAMS may be mouthing 'continiuity' to fans, but make no mistake...Paramount has given him a blank slate to work with so as to bring new fans in and make more money...because that is what this is all about... not to make a movie for established TREK fans, but a movie to mainly bring in new fans who are not obsessed with mundane things that some Trek fans are....
  
  So...in my mind...TNG-DS9-VOY have never happened in this new Star Trek universe. Heck, you might even consider it an alternate universe. But in any event, following a continuity that was already showing signs ofincoherence is the last thing these guys should have to worry about..
  
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    By: Irving Morrell (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:39:47 on Jul 23, 2007

    Personally, I could care less. Make him 12. All I know is I get my ass handed to me by the Guardians of Star Trek whenever I mention something in a book not on screen or I screw up the continuity. Just didn't want all the hate mail.

    
    

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    By: Captain Patti (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:28:05 on Jul 23, 2007

    I don't see any reason why they need to follow any continuity at all.
    
    You need to get off your "continuity" horse. You keep harping on this and lets face it. Everyone knows that there has been errors in continuity. But no one really cares that much. So I don't know why you keep whinning about this.

    
    

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      By: Glassman Cometh (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:37:35 on Jul 23, 2007

      Ummm..well...because thats what this thread was about...or didn't you read it...And I am telling you that there is no more continuity...everything POST-this movie is subject to change...so you need to get over it...not me...
      
      The toilet is swirling, and you're just another log this new movie will hopefully flush away...
      
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    By: Terry212 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 06:47:28 on Jul 23, 2007

    Look, I love Matt Damon. He MIGHT be the only BIG star that I'd be okay with playing Kirk...but if the idea is to feature a Young Kirk---Matt's probably too old. Keep in mind, Shatner was 35-38 during the TOS run. Matt Damon is CURRENTLY 37. I mean..that's hardly YOUNGER. Now, if he was playing Kirk circa a few months prior to Where No Man Has Gone Before, I really don't think Damon's age would be a huge factor...but if he's playing, say, Lieutenant Kirk or something, he's too old. I think 20 is ludicrous because, assuming Starfleet Academy lasts 3 or 4 years, it's hard to imagine Kirk could have graduated by age 20. If the actor is 25 ot 28, though, and he's playing LIEUTENANT Kirk, I guess that's fine. Really, I think the best two scenarios could be Kirk's first adventure as captain of the Enterprise OR--and now I'm thinking this might be likely---the adventure that earns Kirk his captaincy. That might be fun. And the movie could end with his promotion and first time on board the bridge of the ENT (at least as its captain)---a passing of the torch from Pike to Kirk--and the promise of a sequel, which would THEN be Kirk's first adventure as Ent's captain.
    
    If Spock was involved with the ST11 mission (we know he is!), then that might explain why Kirk places so much trust in him as 1st Officer and why Pike might approve of his replacement, etc.
    
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  By: NCC-1701 (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:08:30 on Jul 22, 2007

  Agreed, 20 would be a mistake - too young

  
  

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By: Doctor Trekker (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:35:17 on Jul 21, 2007

All I will say is I will not spend one cent on a teeny bopper Star Trek film.

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DON'T BELIEVE THIS | Report this post to moderator
By: timmer33 (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:39:38 on Jul 21, 2007

1. First of all, Kirk was the youngest Captain ever at something like age 33.

2. The writers have said it is Kirk and Spock's first adventure on board Enterprise.

3. Kirk did not serve on Enterprise before he took command.

4. The writers have professed a deep respect and admiration for Matt Damon. One of them said "I'm a huge fan" and that they wrote the script with a particular actor in mind. The conclusion is that it most likely will not be an unknown.

Based on these points, the Kirk we see on screen HAS to be in his thirties.

This could be misinformation that we're being fed before the big announcement at the comic convention next week.

I think Damon would be a great choice; he'd certainly bring the audiences in, which as someone stated below is necessar for Trek's future. It's nice to know that Damon is interested in it. It could be wishful thinking on my part, but there's still a chance it'll be Damon.

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  By: sb2004 (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:59:29 on Jul 21, 2007

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  1. First of all, Kirk was the youngest Captain ever at something like age 33.
  
  Was this ever said on screen or is this from a novel or comic? If so, that's actually non-canon. (The same goes for the statement that Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet, which was proven nonexistent in canon when someone went to check up on it during Enterprise's run).
  
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  3. Kirk did not serve on Enterprise before he took command.
  
  Actually, I don't recall any statement to that effect in either TOS or the movies. Remember, if it ain't on screen, it ain't canon. It's very possible Kirk might have briefly served on the Enterprise. If the film actually reflects such a mission, then that means someone will have to be cast as Pike, however.
  
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  4. The writers have professed a deep respect and admiration for Matt Damon. One of them said "I'm a huge fan" and that they wrote the script with a particular actor in mind. The conclusion is that it most likely will not be an unknown.
  
  Not necessarily. There's an interview with Abrams or someone like that kicking around saying an unknown is what they want. Just like Shatner and Nimoy were unknowns when they make TOS.
  
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  • RE: DON'T BELIEVE THIS | Report this post to moderator
    By: timmer33 (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:01:25 on Jul 21, 2007

    It was said during TOS's run, a few times, if I'm not mistaken. Kirk was the youngest Starfleet captain ever; he became Captain in his early 30's.
    
    I believe Kirk served on Farragut before moving to Enterprise as the Captain. This is all from the series; I'm not up on the novels.
    
    Then again, you know, the writers could just abandon all canon and say "Let's make Kirk a Captain at 22" or something. It's not what I want, but they could throw everything out the window here.

    
    

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Following the logic... | Report this post to moderator
By: Glassman Cometh (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:32:46 on Jul 21, 2007

If Damon is too old..then so is BRODY and SENISE...But far from you other fools, I don't think this is a bad thing....it just means a younger cast..

And for those who say that 'no one wants to see Kirk and Company as kids"? You may be right...but you may be wrong. If the whole idea is to reboot then going back to the start is the way to go..

And if it means losing some strict-continuity following fans then...so much better. Those are the kinds of fans that are ruining this franchise far more than BERMAN or BRAGA ever could muster to do...

As I have said..Star Trek is going to get a MUCH needed enema...could I be wrong? Sure. But at least I am willing to give them a chance...and to put it simply for people like BEAN? It's a business..it is what it is...And for now, JJ's trek is the only Trek in town...if you don't want to follow, then you have NEW VOYAGES to flock to

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  By: Captain Patti (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:37:19 on Jul 23, 2007 | (1)

  Damon is too old. He is in his late 30's and can't seriously pass as 20. So Damon is out.
  
  Quote:"And for those who say that 'no one wants to see Kirk and Company as kids"? You may be right...but you may be wrong"
  
  Can you take a stand and not try and cover both sides.
  
  
  Quote:"And if it means losing some strict-continuity following fans then...so much better. Those are the kinds of fans that are ruining this franchise far more than BERMAN or BRAGA ever could muster to do..."
  
  This is completely insane. If anything Trek getting an emema from so called fans who think they know all the "ins and out" . That will be the best thing to happen.
  
  Any fans who have help continuity strict are not people that you just throw away in the hopes of getting the American Idol audience. What is wrong with someone wanting continuity? What is wrong with wanting stories to "fit" into the rest of the Trek?
  Are you sure you are not Brannon Bragas cousin or something? You got something against people who have been following Trek storylines? So you don't normally follow stories and want them to make sense to previous stories?
  
  
  Quote:"As I have said..Star Trek is going to get a MUCH needed enema...could I be wrong? Sure. But at least I am willing to give them a chance...and to put it simply for people like BEAN? It's a business..it is what it is...And for now, JJ's trek is the only Trek in town...if you don't want to follow, then you have NEW VOYAGES to flock to"
  
  An emema from what? People who say that fans who followed and want some continity are the problem? It is very clear those people are NOT the problem nor were they ever in the first place. The problem was very simple "Rick Berman". The man didn't allow new writers to come into the mix. The last 2 movies were bad (co written by Berman) didn't help either. So Treks problem was simply "direction and good storylines". PERIOD. Not some guy who said "hey I thought they said in some movie this happened but now they are saying the opposite. BIG DEAL. Besides I am under the notion that as a story teller if you can't keep your things organized then you really are not a good teller are you? I think the Harry Potter craze right now is a good example. 7 books that have made sense and held continuity. So Harry Potter books can have this but Trek suddenly can't? I would disagree.
  
  I am not willing to give this 90210 Trek a chance because as it stands it sounds pretty stupid. Kirk is not Darth Vader. Trek is not Star Wars. Let me guess Abrams on Thursday is going to say there are going to make a trilogy of 90210 Trek? Wow what a surprise!
  
  Everyone knows this is business. Has someone said otherwise? Everyone knows that Paramount is a bunch of greedy jerks who have ruined Trek by its poor running of it. However I believe the saying that "no Trek is better than lousy Trek". So far STXI:90210 sounds like lousy Trek. I don't need to see some guy running around trying to be "young shatner". And NO I don't need to "See the movie first" before making this point. The outline now as it stands sound pretty weak and not worth my $12 bucks nor my loyalty.
  
  
  

  
  

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"oh, it would have been awesome..." ----- WHAT!!?!?! | Report this post to moderator
By: msspurlock (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:55:13 on Jul 20, 2007

YUCK!
Groveling little fanboy suckup.
Obviously not a real Trek fan.

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  By: SciFiPulse (Odo's file, contact) @ 05:43:45 on Jul 23, 2007

  From what have read over the last few months am inclined to just wait and see.
  
  1. Sure it is Kirk and Spocks first adventure, but have not read anything about it being aboard the Enterprise, I suspect that part about Enterprise is just fans jumping to conclusions.
  
  2. For all we know this whole Kirk thing could be the biggest bluff ever and they are following the adventures of George Kirk who according to the Book world of Star Trek was the first security chief aboard Enterprise under the command of Robert April.
  
  3. It could also be a story about one of Captain Pikes Adventures a few years prior to the one we bore witness too in the original Star Trek pilot episode 'The Cage'.
  
  The fact is all we have to go on are a handful of cryptic interviews by Robert Orci, Alex Kurtzman and J.J. Abrams. All have mentioned kirk, but for all we know the kirk they are mentioning could be him as a young boy tooked up in bed listing to his dad tell him a bed time story about his adventures about the newly commissioned NCC 1701.
  
  Now I look at it this way. Its been a long time since we had a Star Trek movie. The last one that fared well was First Contact which lets face it re wrote Star Trek canon and was still a massive hit for Paramount. So this new flick cannot do much worse than Nemesis did. So instead of whinging about what may never happen how about we all just wait and see, look at the promos when they come and base whether we go and see it on those.
  
  I think the lack of information for this new movie is by and large a good thing.
  
  I mean I had a copy of the Insurrection script for a whole 8 months before that movie was released and that movie wasn't as commercially successful as FC, it actually did performed below expectations.
  
  Then we all got the script for nemesis well in advance of release and look at how fast that tanked.
  
  

  
  

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  By: Grizzlor (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:19:27 on Jul 21, 2007

  Regardless who is in the film, or what it is about, there remains this real question. Is Star Trek marketable at the box office? Nemesis did terribly, yes, and Enterprise was largely a flop. You have to wonder just what kind of interest remains? The days of TOS or TNG rerun every day after school are over. Are there new Trek fans? One positive is that the Matrix and Star Wars prequels are out of the way now. And the success of Transformers (stunk in my mind), Casino Royale (very good), have shown old franchises can still work. Or has Star Trek been reworked and retold so many times by now?

  
  

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• I Don't Have A Problem With Damon | Report this post to moderator
  By: Jean-Luc (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:04:55 on Jul 21, 2007

  if it took place in year four or five of TOS, but I've thought all along they'll need a younger man to play Kirk(maybe around 25) if the movie will be about his first Enterprise mission.
  
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  By: NEXUS (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:29:47 on Jul 20, 2007

  Bad idea.
  
  Nobody wants to see Kirk and co. as children.

  
  

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    By: Captain Patti (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:47:17 on Jul 23, 2007

    I agree.
    
    I think Abrams should of concentrated his time on a new cast instead of STXI:Saved By The Bell
    
    

    
    

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    By: The TREKMAN!!!!! (Odo's file, contact) @ 02:53:44 on Jul 21, 2007

    First of all, Damon was just guessing what age the younger Kirk is. All Abrams said was they were looking for someone much younger than Damon who is turning 37 later this year. So more than likely, they are looking for someone in their mid-late 20's.
    
    Second,just because Kirk might be 20 doesn't make him a child. He would have been well into the Academy and would have been serving on the Republic by then. And besides, I wouldn't mind actually seeing a Kirk in the Academy movie, even though I do think Star Trek XI will be about Kirk's first voyage on the Enterprise.
    
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    By: seventhstar (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:54:17 on Jul 20, 2007

    This week, on a very special episode of Star Trek: Blossom, young Jimmy Kirk must decide between the girl who loves him and the girl he's been pining for since they were in grade school but doesn't know he exists. Also, Spock's emotions bubble to the surface as he experiences his first zit, while Christy Chapel frets over her new hair cut.
    
    Keri Russell and Greg Grunberg guest star as teachers at Starfleet's San Francisco College.

    
    

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      By: ericerickson592 (Odo's file, contact) @ 05:23:18 on Jul 21, 2007

      Thats funny. Yah I dont see a star trek academy movie doing well. Just imagine a really annoying group of kids. I can see the next star trek flim doing good in places like Iraq, Pakistan, Syria, and other places that have never heard of captain kirk. Should do well there.I think that it will bomb in America.... just because Trek isn't cool anymore. Thats why they need to reinvent it... not redo the characters.

      
      

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      By: ericerickson592 (Odo's file, contact) @ 05:23:09 on Jul 21, 2007

      Thats funny. Yah I dont see a star trek academy movie doing well. Just imagine a really annoying group of kids. I can see the next star trek flim doing good in places like Iraq, Pakistan, Syria, and other places that have never heard of captain kirk. Should do well there.I think that it will bomb in America.... just because Trek isn't cool anymore. Thats why they need to reinvent it... not redo the characters.

      
      

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