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By GustavoLeao / 14:03, 13 June 2007 / People

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DreamWatch posted a new interview with actor Malcolm McDowell, better know to Star Trek fans as Soran, the man who killed Captain James T. Kirk in Star Trek Generations. McDowell now plays Mr Linderman in Heroes and Dr Loomis in the forthcoming remake of Halloween. Here are few excerpts from the interview.

Your role as Mr Linderman in Heroes is the latest in a long line of McDowell villains. Deep down, is there perhaps a little bit of evil inside you?


Any part you play always has a little bit of yourself in it, and of course I have a bit of the devil in me. Doesn't everyone? I just get paid to have fun with it! I enjoy it very much, and it's great fun getting to do away with Captain Kirk and so on. He'd had a good run! With this part particularly, the word ‘relish' comes to mind. The wonderful scenes I have with Adrian [Pasdar] were a pleasure, and I had a great time doing it. But listen, I don't only play heavies. I suppose it's just what I'm best known for.

What other projects are you working on at the moment?


I'm in London doing a movie called Doomsday with [DS9 actor] Alexander Siddig, who is my nephew and a very good actor. He told me they wanted me to do it, so I did. Next, I'm on my way to the Cannes Film Festival to show my tribute to the great director Lindsay Anderson, who was very important in my life, and a man I loved dearly. I can't believe they invited me to show it at Cannes. It's absolutely extraordinary for me, but there you are.


I'm also in a miniseries of War and Peace as Prince Bolkonsky, which is a wonderful part. I've no idea when that will be shown in the States, but they're going to screen it right through the night in Rome, the whole nine hours of it. It's a big Euro-pudding, with seven or eight countries involved. I've seen quite a bit of it and it's really quite wonderful. I do most of my scenes with Brenda Blethyn, who's terrific. I think it's quite a remarkable event and a beautiful production.

The full interview is here.



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So how about Linderman... | Report this post to moderator
By: Blessedwith3 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 14:03:18 on Jun 14, 2007

Ok, they have got to bring Linderman back. That was an absolutly crappy way for such a cool villian to die.

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Soran | Report this post to moderator
By: Captain Patti (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:57:11 on Jun 14, 2007

I actually think that Soran was one of the better TNG Villains.

I have heard him in many interviews how happy he was killing Kirk.

Personally falling off of rocks was hardly a valid way to kill him.


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I've Been Listening | Report this post to moderator
By: Jean-Luc (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:03:24 on Jun 14, 2007 | Edit History (1)

to McDowell say for the past thirteen years how great/much fun it was killing Kirk. I don't hold any contempt for him personally, but doesn't he understand that GEN marked the end of a cultural icon? To me it's like being proud of killing off Santa Claus or Superman.
Superman died in the comic, but it was a marketing ploy and there was always a plan to have him return.

I don't think it's necessarily good to know how a certain character is going to meet his/her end. Scotty for example took off in a shuttlecraft in the 24th century then Doohan passed away so we'll never know Scotty's ultimate fate.

As someone else stated, Kirk should have died on the bridge of a starship sacrificing himself for the greater good. Decker in "The Doomsday Machine" and Janeway in "Year of Hell" are good examples.

End rant!

Oh BTW, I like that picture above and the Siddig connection is a nice bit of trivia I hadn't known about.

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    By: Glassman Cometh (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:41:43 on Jun 14, 2007

    I agree that Kirk's death should have been something else. But, as executed, I think it works on all levels. And it does bring closure, which to me is more important than flying off in a shuttle..(i.e. THE SORPRANOS. That climax sucked because it didn't really end....)

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Loved SORAN | Report this post to moderator
By: Glassman Cometh (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:01:50 on Jun 13, 2007 | Edit History (2)

I maybe in the minority, but I LOVED Generations mainly due to the great lines you can quote from it, many delivered by Maclom.

"They say time is the fire in which we burn...and right now, captain, my time is running out."...great line...

or...

"There was once a time I wouldn't have hurt a fly, and then...the borg came. And they taught me there is one true constant in the universe, it is death. It's like a predator..stalking you. Oh, you can try to out run it with doctors and new technologies, but in the end...death will hunt you down and make the kill"...great stuff there...

GENERATIONS improves each time I see it. I "get" what Moore and Braga were trying to say. And even with its less than perfect killing of Kirk, I prefer this movie over INSURRECTION and NEMESIS...I couldn't quote one line from either one of those turkeys...heck, I'll take THE FINAL FRONTIER over those two lame movies...why? Because FINAL FRONTIER does contain some good acting moments, mainly Deforest Kelly. That whole death scene between he, his father, and Sybok is a real good acting moment for DeForest.

Way to go Mr. Linderman!!!

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    By: Captain Patti (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:00:11 on Jun 14, 2007

    Generations was an "ok" movie. The death of kirk was pointless to the story. There was no reason besides the hatred for the character by B&B,Moore and Paramount.

    Spock's death in STII had meaning and a point. Kirks death in Generations wasn't necessary.

    I for one would like to see the return of Kirk. Lord knows it would really give Trek a boost in the arm.


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      By: Glassman Cometh (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:52:40 on Jun 14, 2007

      BERMAN told them to kill off KIRK. It was their way to cut-off any push by the fans to bring back TOS movies had the TNG ones failed...THAT is why they killed of KIRK. So Braga and Moore did it the best way they could, and it works.

      Spock's death, though a great scene, is totally gutted by the very next movie..TREK III. At least Kirk has stayed dead, making it far more believable...

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      By: Sam Cogley (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:19:36 on Jun 14, 2007

      That's the second time you've claimed that Moore hates Kirk. I already told you where to find the proof otherwise. The fact that you made the claim again, after a positive refutation, can only lead me to believe that you are an idiot.

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        By: Captain Patti (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:51:48 on Jun 14, 2007

        Your so called point of telling me that he is based on some article of spin is pointless. Moore is no fan of Trek and especially Kirk. His pointless death of getting shot in the back is proof enough. Wow what a wonderful understanding of the character.

        Just because I don't agree with you there is no need to call me an idiot. I thought this was Trekweb.com and not your own site you jackass.


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          By: Sam Cogley (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:25:37 on Jun 14, 2007 | Edit History (1)

          If you choose to deny the direct evidence, then you are what you are.

          Here is a bit of what Moore said about Kirk in the NY Times: Quote:
          [Star Trek] was a morality play, with Capt. James T. Kirk as a futuristic John F. Kennedy piloting a warp-driven PT-109 through the far reaches of the galaxy.

          Kirk, for me, embodied an American idea: His mission was to explore the final frontier, not to conquer it. He was moral without moralizing. Week after week, he confronted the specters of intolerance and injustice, and week after week found a way to defeat them without ever becoming them. Jim Kirk may have beat up his share of bad guys, but you could never imagine him torturing them.


          Here's the full article: NY Times link

          Doesn't sound like a Kirk-hater to me.

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          Political tags-such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth-are never basic criteria.
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      By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 12:14:06 on Jun 14, 2007

      An adaptation of Shatner's novel THE RETURN would be fantastic. Kirk is ressurected and joins Ambassador Spock and Captain Picard and his crew against a secret Borg-Romulan alliance.

      Too bad Abrams and Paramount wants a prequel/reboot....

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    By: Poetwarrior78 (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:04:18 on Jun 14, 2007

    I loved Generations the first two times I saw it (in theatres), but when it occurred to me that Kirk and Picard could have gone back to any time prior to Soran's missile launch, the whole thing fell apart for me. It just didn't make sense that they would choose that particular time, given that they could obviously have gone to any other time. A plot whole like that is just too big to ignore, for me.

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      By: Glassman Cometh (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:39:26 on Jun 14, 2007

      hi poet...

      I used to think that was a bad plot point..BUT..every time travel movie makes the same mistake...why didn't the TERMINATOR come back further in time when she was a little girl and kill her before she was even pregnant with John Conner...why didn't the T1000 do the same thing in TERINATOR 2?

      Did Spock chose to go back into a time where the world have modern technology to track or heros? Why not go back further in time before there was even a US NAVY? Why? Because then you wouldn't have refined unranium in Navy "wessles" to get them home....

      Picard is a big stickler for not doing things that may totally rewrite a timeline, this is clear in YESTERDAY'S ENTERPRISE.

      And perhaps that is the point of the movie. The movie is about all of the major characters trying to capture time in their own way...and...they didn't

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      • RE: Loved SORAN | Report this post to moderator
        By: Captain Patti (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:09:39 on Jun 14, 2007

        You are reading way to much into things.


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          By: Glassman Cometh (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:49:50 on Jun 14, 2007

          You nitpicked when they came out of the Nexus..so called better movies, TERMINATOR 1 and 2 for example, could be nitpicked for the same reason. And I pointed out our own Star Trek The Voyage Home, the most succesful of the Trek movies, played around with 'time travel' paradoxes as well...in fact, can you tell me who built those glasses that Kirk got from Mccoy in KHAN, which he sold to the old man in the past for money? Where do those glassed ever enter the timeline? They don't..they are in a loop...but do I care...nah...its only a movie..

          Which Generations was....I understand what you are saying. I am just saying that some people keep nitpicking the point in time where Kirk and Picard exit the Nexus..I'm just saying "stop reading too much into it.."

          And on that..we agree

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            By: Rael (Odo's file, contact) @ 00:39:59 on Jun 18, 2007

            The plot holes in GENERATIONS are so huge you'd have to be blind not to see them. Basically, the Nexus is so powerful that it means ANY event in the film can be undone, rendering all the actions in the film meaningless.

            THE WRATH OF KHAN and THE VOYAGE HOME work because of the emotional content of the story. I love TNG but the series' movies simply don't work for me on the same level.

            There's no drama in GENERATIONS. The Nexus kills all tension. It is the worst Trek movie by miles - and, boy, does it have some competition.


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    By: JediFonger (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:49:56 on Jun 14, 2007

    i agree as well. it remains TNG's BEST film because the film is actually about the crew and not just another expensive TV episode.

    even wrath of kahn had incosistencies (chekov never met kahn, etc.). i dunno why people nitpick generation so much if good movie like kahn had that major glaring issue.

    aaanyways, the sound design is good.

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      By: Glassman Cometh (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:13:52 on Jun 14, 2007

      I too have wondered why it is panned by fans as another 'odd numbered movie' loser...Like you I love this movie, and rank it just ONE tenth of a percentage point behind Khan....in fact, let us put our card on the table..here is how I rank them all..

      THE WRATH OF KHAN...Great all around dispite Chekov goof
      GENERATIONS...Great story, and I liked kirk/picard death scene
      THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY...Great swan song for the TOS crew
      THE VOYAGE HOME...simple great fun..my kids love this movie..
      FIRST CONTACT...this is a good movie, but losing luster
      THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK...moderate follow up to Khan..slow in parts
      THE MOTION PICTURE...Great Klingon battle...but stiff movie
      THE FINAL FRONTEIR...I like this one...not as bad as I thought
      INSURRECTION...a mid-season budget cutting episode...movie?
      NEMESIS...just one boring movie..Stewart's Picard suffers most

      Okay..that'show I see them..

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    By: GustavoLeao (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 15:22:42 on Jun 13, 2007

    I agree. As I said here before, I love Generations. I love Carson's directing, the awesome score of Dennis McCarthy, wonderful FX by ILM, and great, great acting from everybody, specially Shatner and Stewart. A truly wonderful movie.

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      By: Glassman Cometh (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:10:39 on Jun 13, 2007

      Yep..my friend and I recently watched all of the Trek movies...scored them on a scale from one to ten and Generations finished behind ONLY Khan....
      I like it better than First Contact because I think
      the message of the narrative of the story is far
      better than the 'revenge taking a man over' bit
      which, to me, was a rehash of KHAN with the roles
      reversed...GENERATION's message about being
      relavent as we age is something that I can relate
      to more than revenge...and all three main
      characters of Generations, Kirk-Picard-Soran
      are all trying to run from 'time' in different
      ways..I think the movie was far to deep for the
      average fan who pokes fun at the Nexus plot
      device with out really taking into considertion
      what the movie was 'really' about...

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        By: captainkoloth (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 05:51:11 on Jun 14, 2007

        Yes, even though the whole Nexus plot was a stretch, the movie was well written and really captured TNG properly on the big screen. Carson's directing is always a treat - "Yesterday's Enterprise", "Emissary" anyone?

        Kirk's death is obviously the movie's biggest failing, since it was one of its big draws. Enough has been commented on this topic, but Kirk's death just wasn't handled very well or with much thought. Braga and Moore in their commentaries make it clear what their thought processes were and, to be fair, killing Kirk was a huge undertaking. Everyone knows Kirk should have died on the bridge of the Enterprise.

        Oh well, Generations is what it is. It's definitely my favourite TNG movie with FC coming second. INS and NEM barely exist in my mind.

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