For some reason, I can see Abrams writing a Flasback movie... | Report this post to moderator
By: DeQueue (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 10:16:59 on Nov 15, 2006

With Kirk and Spock on some quest in the 24th century and every now and then cue errie LOST flashback music and we see a glimpse of them when they were younger. Somehow or another their past relates to what they're currently doing in the 24th century.

This doesn't seem farfetched since Harve Bennet's original Starfleet Academy idea was a Dr. McCoy flashback. But, it doesn't really add to the story if it's just a person "telling the story." You might as well just set the entire movie in the past. Somehow or another, the 24th century parts of the movie have to be relevant in some way besides just a forum for telling the story.

Should we flashback and forth between two time periods like "All Good Things?" Should it just take place entirely in their past. Should it somehow involve Kirk and Spock going back in time and reliving their past selves?

Now, could any of this work? Possibly. It seems like everyone wants to undo the retarded death in Generations. Maybe we can kill two birds with one stone -- fix Generations and bring back a new Kirk and Spock for a new generation.


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"We're standing by to beam your survivors aboard our ship. Prepare to abandon your vessel."
"No – no, that is not our way. I regret that we meet in this way. You and I are of a kind. In a different reality, I could have called you friend."
"What purpose will it serve to die?"
"We are creatures of duty, captain. I have lived my life by it. Just... one more duty... to perform."

- Kirk and Romulan Commander

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• RE: For some reason, I can see Abrams writing a Flasback movie... | Report this post to moderator
  By: dphizler (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 17:16:47 on Nov 15, 2006 | (1)

  I'll tell you why they won't try to fix Star Trek Generation's so called mistake of killing Kirk. The non hardcore audience will probably not get it if they do try to fix that.
  
  Why risk boring the people you are trying to get hooked on Trek?
  
  For the record: I think Kirk died just fine. I'm not the die hard fan who cries because kirk didn't die the way I wanted.

  
  

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Then vs Now | Report this post to moderator
By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:34:03 on Nov 14, 2006

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Bill also dated his conversation with Abrams as having taken place, "about three weeks ago."


Good for tallying the facts rather than propping months-old rumor (story).


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Kirk and Spock back in action one more time | Report this post to moderator
By: NEXUS (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:30:34 on Nov 14, 2006

This is going to be great. God bless JJ.

Anything with Shatner and Nimoy is going to rock.

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Is it just me? | Report this post to moderator
By: Yesterday's Lemmiwinks (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:29:55 on Nov 14, 2006

Or did he just tell us the "exact" timeframe that this movie will take place? After Kirk's death, but before Spock's?

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  By: MRs Treklady (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:57:20 on Nov 19, 2006

  
  
  thanks frontier(doug) for sharing that article, man i'm glad its not going to be no darn per-quail... the B-twins have nothing to do with this movie it mite be worth going to see after all!!

  
  

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Finally, some real hope | Report this post to moderator
By: El4short (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 17:25:10 on Nov 14, 2006

Man, I SO want to see Kirk's meaningless death undone. There is great dramatic potential in seeing Shatner and Nimoy as the elder Kirk and Spock. A framing device is fine with me... just no holodeck BS, or any other cheat.

What a fine way this would be to pass the baton to a younger cast and give Shatner and Nimoy one last spotlight. The more I watch the remastered Original Series, the more I'm praying J.J. will do this right. Jeez, look how much discussion is generated by just the possibility of them appearing! And with Shatner's mainstream popularity, a Kirk encore will bring Paramount loads of free publicity.

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Good news | Report this post to moderator
By: Postdoc (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:12:51 on Nov 14, 2006

I think this team can make it work (a live Kirk, if they choose). Don't be limited by what came before, anything can be created in this universe.

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  By: Capricorn Two (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:18:25 on Nov 14, 2006

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  I think this team can make it work (a live Kirk, if they choose). Don't be limited by what came before, anything can be created in this universe.
  
  With Hal Holbrook as Dr. Leonard McCoy joining Spock in saving Kirk from the Nexus.

  
  

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RE: I hope that ... | Report this post to moderator
By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:15:23 on Nov 14, 2006

What's even more amazing is that the guy has been in the business for 50 years, created one of the most recognizable and popular TV characters in history, had a second hit show in TJ Hooker which had a longer run than Star Trek, plus a great movie career, and you have the balls to call it mediocre.

William Shatner has had one of the best careers in show business history.

If they want Star Trek XI to have asses in the seats, they need to bring back Kirk.

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By: timmer33 (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:56:52 on Nov 14, 2006

... this isn't going to be a "flashback" film where Leonard and William are chatting about old times and we see their first adventure together. That being said, I'm not sure how else they could do this ... unless the whole film features those two. I'll be interested to see the official release once Paramount knows what they're doing (i.e. once they get a script).

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  By: BFlix (Odo's file, contact) @ 03:22:00 on Nov 22, 2006

  3) Any news on the upcoming Star Trek movie with J.J. Abrams?
  I met with Mr. Abrams, and they have a really good plot going. [They’re] trying to fit in Mr. Spock and Captain Kirk -- the elderly ones. How you get a dead captain to communicate with [his] younger [self]? That’s going to be very arduous plotting. I’m going to be interested to see how they solve it. - http://blog.meevee.com/my_weblog/2006/11/meevee_exclusiv_2.html#more
  
  I hope they don't go the time travel route. The flashback concept might be cool, but like someone already mentioned, it would have to have some sort of relevance. What about the film spanning many years? Starting when they were young up to their older years. That might be too complicated a story though, huh? Either way I'll want to check it out

  
  

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  By: Grizzlor (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:17:34 on Nov 14, 2006

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  ... this isn't going to be a "flashback" film where Leonard and William are chatting about old times and we see their first adventure together. That being said, I'm not sure how else they could do this ... unless the whole film features those two. I'll be interested to see the official release once Paramount knows what they're doing (i.e. once they get a script).
  
  A flashback film is what I don't want, unless they somehow make canon that Kirk either did not die in Generations, or something. Because if they stand by that, then they have to pretend that the two are as they were back in the late 80's and early 90's. That is patently ridiculous. I say just throw a kind of a whitewash over Generations, it stunk anyway. I know that to the general public, they probably won't see a difference. But to CGI those two guys to look like 15 years ago would be really lame. As I said, if they bring Kirk back, in a way that resolves or ignores Generations, I am cool with just about anything JJ does in the film, as long as they don't rekill Kirk or Spock.

  
  

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  By: sb2004 (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:02:30 on Nov 14, 2006

  The reaction to Shatner suggesting unknowns as Kirk and Spock suggests I'm right that viewers and Trekkies in particular will be more accepting of someone fresh in the role than someone who is already known for other characters.
  
  I can't see how Abrams will get Kirk and Spock to appear unless maybe it's some sort of flash-forward to some time prior to Generations. Even then I don't think it'll work. Nimoy could probably get away with playing Spock from 10 years ago, but Bill Shatner has physically changed since 1994, and even though there is that TV commercial showing his current face on his 1991 body, I really don't think that'll pass muster for a big screen film.
  
  If Abrams really wants to do a reboot, he'd be better off dropping the idea and starting fresh across the board.
  
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  By: Dingo's Kidneys (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:00:36 on Nov 14, 2006

  I'm amazed that the Great Shatner has poked along for most of his mediocre career, from Kingdom of the Spiders, to T.J. Hooker and the Trek movies, and hasnt become a huge star until his 70s. Priceline was the best thing that every happened to him!
  
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  By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:15:18 on Nov 14, 2006

  It's called good writing. It's not too hard to address Kirk's death. Hell, they could make some sort of parallel story that involves Spock saving Kirk in something related to their first adventure, and the movie goes back and forth.
  
  Or, they could even find Kirk still in the nexus. After all, when Kirk stopped Soran in Generations, a new timeline was created where Picard never went into the nexus, so arguably, Kirk is still there.
  
  Let the lousy writing work to their advantage.
  
  Turn a negative into a positive. Spock manages to get to the nexus, where he remembers his first adventure with Kirk before finding him.
  
  That's just off the top of my head.
  
  Make no mistake--Shatner returning as Kirk would add millions to the film because for the first time in over a decade, there's actually a REASON to see a Star Trek movie.
  
  You don't get that without the return of Kirk.

  
  

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  • RE: I hope that ... | Report this post to moderator
    By: Droke (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:23:58 on Nov 14, 2006

    [q]It's called good writing. It's not too hard to address Kirk's death. Hell, they could make some sort of parallel story that involves Spock saving Kirk in something related to their first adventure, and the movie goes back and forth.
    
    Or, they could even find Kirk still in the nexus. After all, when Kirk stopped Soran in Generations, a new timeline was created where Picard never went into the nexus, so arguably, Kirk is still there.
    
    Let the lousy writing work to their advantage.
    
    Turn a negative into a positive. Spock manages to get to the nexus, where he remembers his first adventure with Kirk before finding him.
    
    That's just off the top of my head.
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    Thats a fantastic idea. It makes sense and gets us going forward without rebooting or dismissing anything.

    
    

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      By: Grizzlor (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:33:42 on Nov 14, 2006

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      Or, they could even find Kirk still in the nexus. After all, when Kirk stopped Soran in Generations, a new timeline was created where Picard never went into the nexus, so arguably, Kirk is still there.
      
      Let the lousy writing work to their advantage.
      
      Turn a negative into a positive. Spock manages to get to the nexus, where he remembers his first adventure with Kirk before finding him.
      
      
      I very much doubt, nor would I agree, for Abrams to delve into the Nexus thing. Why dredge your script with a part of a bad one? As for the Picard not going through the nexus thing, not to get too Emmett L. Brown, but I don't think that's how time travel works. Besides, we see Picard standing over a pile of rocks for Kirk's grave. That said, there was never any mention of Kirk perishing on Veridian III after the fact. Perhaps Picard never told? But since they were cleaning the planet of ET contamination, you would assume they removed Kirk's remains. Of course, Shatner's 2nd novel The Return dealt with Kirk's resurrection quite well, with the Romulans and the Borg involved. It should have been made into at least a TV Movie, if Paramount or Berman had any brains.

      
      

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        By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:18:44 on Nov 14, 2006

        I'm not saying they will or even SHOULD use the nexus. I'm just saying it's an option. Again, I don't think the nexus was that bad. It was just executed terribly.
        
        A better writer could do better with it.
        
        And I think Emmett Brown would have a field day with the nexus.

        
        

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