Save Star Trek: Bring back Shatner and Nimoy one more time | Report this post to moderator
By: NEXUS (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:46:48 on Nov 13, 2006

If Kirk is brought back from the nexus alive and well (played by William Shatner) the franchise will be alive and well once again.

Star Trek needs it's greatest hero's to save it from the last decade of mediocrity.

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• RE: Save Star Trek: Bring back Shatner and Nimoy one more time | Report this post to moderator
  By: Ludwig the 2nd (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:35:52 on Nov 13, 2006

  That's painfully over simplified. Not very many people neccessarily like Shatner -- lots love Kirk. It's not Shatner that's going to save the franchise --it's returning to the spirit of the original Star Trek that will save the franchise. And I think it will. People can always look past recasts if the movie is good. All there is to it. Example: Hannibal, recast Starling -- now I may be wrong, but I didn't hear overwhelming complaints after the movie came out and was really good that Julianne Moore didn't depict a satisfactory Starling. The movie was good and we looked past it.

  
  

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  • RE: Save Star Trek: Bring back Shatner and Nimoy one more time | Report this post to moderator
    By: NEXUS (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:58:46 on Nov 13, 2006

    You can't compare the two. Shatner/Kirk is an American icon that has been on the pop culture scene for 40 years.
    
    Jodi Foster played that character for one movie. And that character is not in the same iconic class as Kirk and Spock.
    
    Clearly, Shatner and Nimoy are not the long term answer for Star Trek. But, their presence in ST XI would be a great way to capture the public's attention. What better way to get to make ST XI an event film than to bring back the original Kirk and Spock?
    
    To the vast majority of the movie going public. Shatner and Nimoy as Kirk and Spock are Star Trek.
    
    There is little intrest in anything else.
    
    Star Trek needs them.

    
    

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    • RE: Save Star Trek: Bring back Shatner and Nimoy one more time | Report this post to moderator
      By: dphizler (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 10:22:10 on Nov 18, 2006

      All this movie needs is an epic story, good publicity and good production value.
      
      Kirk and Spook, Shatner and Nimoy, are only icing on the cake.
      
      But you know, I'd rather the movie fail if the movie employs your ideas. Just to laugh after. :P

      
      

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Kirk is still alive in the Nexus. That is how they will bring back Kir | Report this post to moderator
By: NEXUS (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:43:47 on Nov 13, 2006

That is how they will bring back Kirk. Spock will lead a team into the nexus to save Kirk.

It's as simple as that.

Star Trek 11 with Shatner and Nimoy is a big deal. Without them nobody cares.

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• RE: Kirk is still alive in the Nexus. That is how they will bring back | Report this post to moderator
  By: Losh-Man (Odo's file, contact) @ 23:49:39 on Nov 14, 2006

  You "Hit That Nail Right On The Head". I just finished reading the William Shatner Authored Novel
  "Captain's Peril", that has Kirk and Picard going on
  Vacation together on Bajor,that is Post-"Generations"
  and my first thought was "But....Kirk Died, Picard
  Himself buried him!", but, though the book makes a
  one-line reference to that fact, it does not elaborate
  on how Kirk could still be alive, but he is, none the
  less.
  
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The Nexus | Report this post to moderator
By: Norm3 (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:33:13 on Nov 13, 2006

On no a return to the Nexus. Thats the only way they can do it. There's still a Kirk in the Nexus.

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RE: The stars have fallen | Report this post to moderator
By: Hbasm (Odo's file, contact) @ 05:51:36 on Nov 13, 2006

It should be more than a paycheck for them. Where is the passion for "Star Trek" ?

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  By: Plaid Ninja (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:53:18 on Nov 13, 2006

  Yes, we need passion...
  
  The Passion of the Kirk!
  
  With a script entirely in Klingon, with subtitles.

  
  

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Two part movie | Report this post to moderator
By: Admiral_Bumblebee (Odo's file, contact) @ 01:35:48 on Nov 13, 2006

As I have said before:
Make the movie a two-part film. Partially it takes place in the 24th century with a big menace threatening the Federation. As the roots of this threat lie way back in the 23rd century, Spock has to find a way to bring Kirk back from the dead - as he is the only way capable of saving the Federation. But Spock has to remember what happened in the past, so we have these flashback scenes about young Kirk and Spock and what happened in this time period...
When finally Kirk is alive again, the ultimate showdown will take place...

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  By: RMooreislame (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:23:28 on Nov 13, 2006

  Here is what will transpire, mark my word: The film will take place in the 24th century (or early 25th, which is plausible) after the events of Nemesis. It is clear Spock will have a large role in talks between the Federation and Romulans (he might even meet Pardak in this one). There will be a reason for Spock to contact Kirk for some matter of galactic importance, hence, he will devise a way (he is Spock of course) to go to the Nexus and there the movie will have its scenes with Kirk and Spock, provided Shatner and Nimoy sign up. Then, of course, we will have the flashbacks to the Academy with Matt Damon strutting around in that glittery shirt with the christmas ornament on it, and some other bloke with pointy ears...voila, Star Trek XI..

  
  

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  • RE: Two part movie | Report this post to moderator
    By: RMooreislame (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:26:33 on Nov 13, 2006

    sorry about the duplicate post..
    
    I just realized that meeting Pardak after Nemesis doesnt make sense..Maybe we will see them meeting in a flashback...

    
    

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• RE: Two part movie | Report this post to moderator
  By: RMooreislame (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:23:11 on Nov 13, 2006

  Here is what will transpire, mark my word: The film will take place in the 24th century (or early 25th, which is plausible) after the events of Nemesis. It is clear Spock will have a large role in talks between the Federation and Romulans (he might even meet Pardak in this one). There will be a reason for Spock to contact Kirk for some matter of galactic importance, hence, he will devise a way (he is Spock of course) to go to the Nexus and there the movie will have its scenes with Kirk and Spock, provided Shatner and Nimoy sign up. Then, of course, we will have the flashbacks to the Academy with Matt Damon strutting around in that glittery shirt with the christmas ornament on it, and some other bloke with pointy ears...voila, Star Trek XI..

  
  

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not a problem | Report this post to moderator
By: W. Epaminondas Adrastus Blab (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:50:22 on Nov 12, 2006

Just ignore Kirk's death. It was poorly done. It made no emotional impact and can therefore be easily overlooked by fans. As for non fans, I doubt anyone even remembers or knows that Kirk was killed.

I'd rather they ignore generations that create some complicated, impossible plot hole ridden mess of a script to bring him back.

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  By: Gallifrey1983 (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:00:44 on Nov 12, 2006

  They could also address it briefly in dialogue between Kirk and Spock, and set the story several years after Kirk's revival.
  
  That would bring Shatner back, but also allow them to launch quickly into a new story and introduce the new characters without having to make it into Generations II.
  
  In any event, Shatner as Kirk and Nimoy as Spock, even just for a few minutes, would be a great way to generate a lot of buzz and interest in this relaunch.
  

  
  

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  By: Gallifrey1983 (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:00:15 on Nov 12, 2006 | (1)

  Shatner as Kirk would also bring a lot of people I know who have not been to a Trek film since '91 into the theater. They don't visit or post here but would buy tickets, dvds, books etc.
  
  Shatner's popularity is high right now, Paramount could benefit from that.

  
  

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I think Spock should resurrect Kirk... | Report this post to moderator
By: GreginWA (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 14:48:48 on Nov 12, 2006

After all, turnabout is fair play! What a wonderful way to send these characters off and bring back the franchise.

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The stars have fallen | Report this post to moderator
By: Hbasm (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:14:53 on Nov 12, 2006

I think Shatner is just after the money, and Nimoy is not interested in reprising the role one way or the other.

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• RE: The stars have fallen | Report this post to moderator
  By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 03:34:43 on Nov 13, 2006

  Shatner returning as Kirk and them finally fixing Generations would be a blessing for all Trek fans who were sickened by Kirk's death. I've been hoping for this for a long time, and it would be amazing.
  
  DEFINITELY work toward fixing Generations. It was awful. Yes, a chunk of that movie would be dealing with that, but it CAN be done.

  
  

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  • RE: The stars have fallen | Report this post to moderator
    By: dphizler (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 12:15:48 on Nov 13, 2006

    I have no problem with Kirk dying the way he did in Generations. So what if he didn't die in an incredibly beautiful way.
    
    Steve Irwin didn't either, but it happened.
    
    I think the way Kirk died in generations is more realistic than some heroic act of a death.

    
    

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    • RE: The stars have fallen | Report this post to moderator
      By: Droke (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:15:52 on Nov 13, 2006

      I loved Generations. It was the movie that got me into Star Trek. Kirk died saving people twice in that movie and its still not enough for some people. And I don't wanna hear about how he really didn't die the first time... I got it.
      
      I think the franchise needs to cater more to a new audience and not worry about the Shatner lovers out there.

      
      

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      • RE: The stars have fallen | Report this post to moderator
        By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:31:32 on Nov 13, 2006

        Kirk did NOT have a heroic death. The bad guy was stopped with or without the bridge collapsing.
        
        And had they just popped out of the nexus 15 minutes earlier, they could have just slapped the cuffs on Soran and saved the E-D.
        
        It's a stupid death like a redshirt.
        
        This isn't for just Shatner fans.
        
        Captain Kirk is an American cultural icon. He's about cheating death, not dying.
        
        What's next, killing James Bond?

        
        

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        • RE: The stars have fallen | Report this post to moderator
          By: dphizler (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 19:50:16 on Nov 14, 2006

          YOu see that's what you got all wrong
          
          Star trek characters die eventually
          
          James Bond will die one day but of course they won't make him die in a movie because they want to keep the series going.
          
          I would think it really lame if they go out of their way to try and fix a problem (that doesn't really exist, just fans that can't decide what they like). I would much prefer STXI be a movie that doesn't do crazy loops, like past movies, to please fans.

          
          

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• RE: The stars have fallen | Report this post to moderator
  By: Son of Baba (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:32:57 on Nov 12, 2006

  So what if he does it for the money. Do you think he would do it for free....do you think any Trek actor would do a movie for free? Come on man.....Star Trek means a lot to us, and maybe to some of the actors. But when it comes down to it, its a paycheck for them.
  
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sounding good | Report this post to moderator
By: Endeavour (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:51:05 on Nov 12, 2006

This is sounding like a good movie...

...fix some mistakes and put the heart back into Trek

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  By: Grizzlor (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:59:24 on Nov 12, 2006

  I am a self described Kirk-ist I guess you would say. I personally don't think the role should be recast for anyone else, Spock, too, for that matter. However, should they get Bill and Leonard into the film, in some way, where Kirk is resurrected (not CGI'd) so as to directly refute or ignore Generations, I would be willing and satisfied to have another actor play the part.

  
  

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