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By: Keef (Odo's file, contact) @ 01:31:55 on Oct 09, 2006

Brent Spiner is a very funny guy with a very dry sense of humour. HE'S JOKING for God's sake!

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By: cgrest (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:30:40 on Oct 02, 2006

Brent Spiner has plenty to do what with the bombing of Threshold after 14 episodes. Whoops! Sorry Mr Spiner, hope I didn't hit a sore spot.

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By: LastGL (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:47:40 on Oct 01, 2006

Didn't Mr. Spiner want to quit trek? Why is he crying about the new movie? Maybe he dosen't like not having anything to do...

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By: LastGL (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:47:27 on Oct 01, 2006

Didn't Mr. Spiner want to quit trek? Why is he crying about the new movie? Maybe he dosen't like not having anything to do...

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By: Lance (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:06:25 on Oct 01, 2006

Why is Spiner bashing Enterprise anyway? I read in article not so long ago that said he was impressed with where it was headed before it was cancelled.

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  By: sb2004 (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:12:08 on Oct 04, 2006

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  Why is Spiner bashing Enterprise anyway? I read in article not so long ago that said he was impressed with where it was headed before it was cancelled.
  
  He wasn't bashing Enterprise - take it from an overly sensitive ENT supporter. He was simply stating the obvious -- ENT was a prequel and Trek fans didn't want to see prequels. That's one of the reasons I'm skeptical of the Trek XI prequel idea.
  
  I kinda like Spiner's "Justice League" idea. Only problem is it would be very difficult to pull off. Nimoy could play a TNG-era Spock which would account for his aging (though I gotta admit he doesn't look much different now than he did when he last played the role in TUC back in 91). Shatner would definitely not match the Kirk from the pre-Generations era though. And unless they found some way to bring the character back from vaporization it would be pretty tough to get Ricardo M. to play Khan again -- mind you the character would have a good excuse to be in a wheelchair, seeing as he was blown up and all... ;)
  
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By: Lance (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:59:19 on Oct 01, 2006

Data and Picard's Excellent Adventure

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By: Merlinus Ambrosius (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:00:01 on Sep 30, 2006

Spiner says Star Trek is supposed to be about "going forward". So whats his kickass idea? Bring back all the big villains from the franchise and face them off against all the good guys? How exactly is that moving forward?

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  By: mustangman289 (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:35:59 on Sep 30, 2006

  I agree. I don't want a rehash. Its time to move on. I want to see something new, neat, and different. But not stupid.

  
  

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By: Kang1 (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:58:02 on Sep 30, 2006

Just take a look at the numbers.
All six of the Original series movies made increadable profit(ok except for 5, but it still made pretty good money). TNG has only had one exceptionaly profitable movie, First Contact. If you were the head of a studio, which way would you go! Also I think the biggest problem with Nemisis was the fact that Spiner helped come up with the story line.

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By: Kang1 (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:57:56 on Sep 30, 2006

Just take a look at the numbers.
All six of the Original series movies made increadable profit(ok except for 5, but it still made pretty good money). TNG has only had one exceptionaly profitable movie, First Contact. If you were the head of a studio, which way would you go! Also I think the biggest problem with Nemisis was the fact that Spiner helped come up with the story line.

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MOVE ON | Report this post to moderator
By: Gprime85 (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:48:24 on Sep 30, 2006 | (3)

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Lets move forward already shall we? Bring on the 25th century...


What did Gene do after pumping out 6 TOS movies? Move ahead about 65 years into the future. Maybe we should now too.

Start a new movie or series in 2450 with a new cast on a new ship in a new area of space with new villians and new friends (like how Klingons were the main enemy in TOS but then allies in TNG, make say, the Romulans the new allies which would work, seeing as how Nemesis kinda laid the foundation for that).

But learn from the failures of TNG and the sucesses from DS9 and make the series a little darker, dealing with our imperfections or, like Roddenberry's original concept of social commentary. I'm sure someone can make a story arc about an enemy with completely opposite ideologies than the Federation.

Wanna talk about a "reboot?" Just start the franchise over in the future.

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  By: psp1 (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:17:30 on Sep 30, 2006

  I agree- this is the right sort of idea. The remarks about TNG and DS9 are totally accurate.
  I think you should go a little further and set it a few hundred years past TNG time- maybe even 300 years past.
  You could introduce all sorts of interesting plot twists, take out the meaningless technobabble, introduce some simple new plot lines, and exercise some imagination withut worrying about continuity or offending someone's favorite Captain and crew. It is also an opportune time to return to some realistic flawed characters (you can use an intervening civil was as an excuse for hardening the characters and making them more believable and flawed).
  
  
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By: Norm3 (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:06:46 on Sep 30, 2006

Its funny how TNG cast don’t like Abrams ideas. Its pretty obvious they want another pay day.

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By: Sxottlan (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:27:16 on Sep 30, 2006 | (1)

I never really thought I'd ever say this, especially considering how much I loved his character, but this guy whined for years and years about wanting out and killing his character. Finally he gets a buddy to write his character a pointless death. What do we care what he thinks anymore? These publications have nothing better to do than to keep tracking down these actors and asking them for the same sound bite over and over again?

By the way, that idea for Trek XI is awful.

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  By: Mardus (Odo's file, contact) @ 00:56:11 on Oct 02, 2006

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By: zafier (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:47:27 on Sep 30, 2006

This idea is just silly. The problem with recent Star Trek is it just wasn't relevant. Producers and excutives tried too hard not to rock the boat and lose either some of the fan base or mainstream appeal (what they determine is mainstream). When you create something based on demographics and allegiance to a fan base, it becomes impersonal, cold, irrelevant and meaningless. When Star Trek is at its best it is either dealing with 1) issues that folks care about deeply or, 2) characters that folks care about deeply in legitimate difficulty. Look to the original series to see how cutting edge it was socially. Look at the run from STII-IV for characters people care about a lot in basically the worst long-term situation of their lives. Look at the character arc of Spock, from enlightened/warm, to literally dead, to a shell of himself, then slowly finding himself again. The battles aren't the centerpiece of the action...simply dramatic elements through which the characters travel to get from one place to another. There has been virtually no consistent character development since DS9...my point is, if the prequel movies are about how Kirk got from some other place to becoming the mature Kirk that we know, and the same for Spock, that will be interesting. And not just a boring hero...we know Kirk is a womanizer, overly emotional...he makes mistakes...he's not perfect...that's interesting. And different...that will bet butts in seats. But it's also a risk. We'll see..

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By: cgrest (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:47:44 on Sep 30, 2006

I think the biggest challenge facing Trek these days is to come up with something fresh and inventative. I think Spiner is right in that with a prequel movie they are doing nothing more than the ‘Go Back to Where They Once Were That We Never Saw' ideology. But conversely the TNG movies did the same thing, especially with the whole Data "personfication of this and that" we got dragged though.

Although I never favored the whole prequel notions (never watched Enterprise because of it) I am reluctantly optimistic about the Kirk/Spock thing. Esepcially given the choice of that over a Justice League of Star Trek BS. Thats just a stupidly insane idea, and once again shows they aren't looking forward. Just resurrecting old characters instead of making new ones.

Lets move forward already shall we? Bring on the 25th century...

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By: cgrest (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:47:32 on Sep 30, 2006

I think the biggest challenge facing Trek these days is to come up with something fresh and inventative. I think Spiner is right in that with a prequel movie they are doing nothing more than the ‘Go Back to Where They Once Were That We Never Saw' ideology. But conversely the TNG movies did the same thing, especially with the whole Data "personfication of this and that" we got dragged though.

Although I never favored the whole prequel notions (never watched Enterprise because of it) I am reluctantly optimistic about the Kirk/Spock thing. Esepcially given the choice of that over a Justice League of Star Trek BS. Thats just a stupidly insane idea, and once again shows they aren't looking forward. Just resurrecting old characters instead of making new ones.

Lets move forward already shall we? Bring on the 25th century...

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By: Hbasm (Odo's file, contact) @ 06:04:33 on Sep 30, 2006

Well... I'm not sold on this idea... Bringing all the villians together sounds like a hard one to "top"...

And its action for the sake of action. Its not much of a story.

His comment about prequels, I will have to think about.

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  By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 06:13:01 on Sep 30, 2006

  Maybe had Logan tried that instead of Nemesis, they wouldn't have killed the franchise.

  
  

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    By: Hbasm (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:48:52 on Sep 30, 2006

    I'm not sure Nemesis has done anything for the franchise, so or so.
    
    I think of Nemesis as a kind of superflous movie.

    
    

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By: Gprime85 (Odo's file, contact) @ 23:20:17 on Sep 29, 2006

...I guess the cool thing for Trek actors now is to bash their series/movies.

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It's official.... | Report this post to moderator
By: sgtmaco (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:13:19 on Sep 29, 2006 | (1)

Brent Spiner is infected with the Threshold Virus....You have to be insane or sick to the head to think that was a good idea for STXI. That absolutely sucks! Hey, I liked Nemesis, i thought it was ok...but compared to this idea, Nemesis would've been Oscar bound! Come on!

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  By: zirami (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:25:43 on Sep 29, 2006

  I think they misspelled appalled.

  
  

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By: Dukat (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 19:34:32 on Sep 29, 2006

....Spiner gives the best justification for Trek XI yet.

Why is it that Spiner even thought that the phrase "the idea that John Logan and I had" should be said again? I liked Nemesis, but it is clear that lots of people here and everywhere despised it.

And the problem with Enterprise was not the prequel idea... it was Berman and Braga making it a prequel to the Berman and Braga Trekuniverse. Once Coto and the Stevenses got in there and they respected and liked TOS, the 4th season really was good.


Lastly-- anyone think like me that having a Data story as part of 3 of the 4 TNG movies was a bad idea? It was one of the weaker aspects of Generations, then we did it again in Insurrection, and then we did a neo-Lore story with B4 in Nemesis. Why did they take what was weak for one movie and make it the weakest aspect of 3 of them?

Killing Data was a relief to me, but in the scene where it is appearant that B4 would be back and the B story for the next 3-4 movies, I am so happy we are bailing on the TNG universe. If you want to talk about "where we have been before"-- it is the TNG movies and all the Data stuff.

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  By: Troy1975 (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:07:04 on Sep 29, 2006

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  I liked Nemesis, but it is clear that lots of people here and everywhere despised it.
  
  Though it was extremely derivative, I thought it was the best of the TNG-era movies. The TNG movies never really took off, though, like the TNG television series did. Nemesis definitely had some fanboy elements to it, which apparently would have been taken to an absurd extreme in the Logan/Spiner sequel proposal.
  
  It appears to me that the out-of-work TNG actors must've all gotten together and adopted this "Star Trek is about moving forward" mantra a few months ago. A number of them have repeated this phrase. I just don't buy their argument, though. For one thing, what they are REALLY saying is "Star Trek is about us."
  
  If Spiner truly believes that Star Trek is about moving forward, then why include Khan and Kirk in his proposal? Both of these characters have ended. By his reasoning, why go back? In fact, Data has ended as well. If Star Trek is about moving forward, then it must be without Data. But that's not what Spiner's trying to sell.
  
  If the actual Star Trek XI were to be set 78 years after TNG, during the 25th century, would they be happy that Star Trek was moving forward? I doubt it.
  
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  anyone think like me that having a Data story as part of 3 of the 4 TNG movies was a bad idea?
  
  I would've liked to have seen a post-Nemesis TNG-era movie that did not include Data or B4. It would've been interesting to see what they could do without having a Data B-plot to bog the film down.
  
  As for Abrams' Trek XI, I'm definitely glad that Star Trek is apparently moving forward to a fresh, new perspective. Though I would prefer a reboot over a prequel for various reasons, I think a prequel could work if executed properly. The fun will be finding out how it all works out.

  
  

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  By: Dukat (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 21:06:23 on Sep 29, 2006

  I am such a dope. I completly forgot that Data was a major part of the Borg Queen storyline. So Data was a subplot of all 4 movies.
  
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By: MotherFraker (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 19:06:22 on Sep 29, 2006 | (2)

Oops. Double post.

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By: MotherFraker (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 19:06:18 on Sep 29, 2006 | (1)

Umm... triple post?

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By: MotherFraker (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 19:00:29 on Sep 29, 2006 | (1)

Oh, this is just ridiculous. It's like I've never used a computer at all. Folks, I'm sorry.

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By: MotherFraker (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 19:00:20 on Sep 29, 2006

So it turns out years of gold make-up leads to insanity.

I can't remember the last time I've heard an idea this bad. What makes this worse for me (an avowed rebooter) is he's so wrong about his idea being cool, and so right right about the inherent lameness of the prequel idea. Now that we know it's cannon and in the past, there's a certain edge that's gone to TREK 11. I'm sure Abrams can make it as well as it can be made, but since the announcement I'm surpised about how much I'm not interested.

The more I think about Spiner's idea, the more I wonder if the mediocrity of B&B was tolorated because the other powers that were close bye were known my Paramount to be much, much worse. Sorry Data.


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By: baldmark (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:51:17 on Sep 29, 2006

you have to imagine it (have imagination), plus like he said (the cost) if it had the money im sure it would work amazingly, but then i have a problem how do you get ricardo moltalban back! is he even still alive?, maybe not a good idea after all.

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  By: Mardus (Odo's file, contact) @ 01:19:56 on Oct 02, 2006

  Ricardo Montalban still lives, but he's one month short of 86.

  
  

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By: prometheus 59650 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 16:45:45 on Sep 29, 2006

I haven't read anything that fanboy since "Prodigal's Return"

Brent, if you think THAT would have appealed to people I sincerely question your sanity.

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By: Chronic Harlot (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 16:38:12 on Sep 29, 2006

Spiner and Logan's Trek XI = fanwank.

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  By: Merlinus Ambrosius (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:44:35 on Sep 29, 2006

  And thats being extremely generous...
  
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    By: Chronic Harlot (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 10:16:51 on Oct 01, 2006

    I was going to compare the idea to that Batman movie where Joker, Penquin, Catwoman and Riddler all joined forces...but that just would have been mean. ;)
    
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By: psp1 (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:20:09 on Sep 29, 2006

What a horrible idea. Talk about reducing Star Trek to comic book level. Much as I dislike the prequel idea, this crappy one makes it look like the spark of genius.

Thank God these two clowns were jettisoned unceremoniously from the Trek universe. Every fan should be breathing a sigh of relief.

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  By: lee (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 15:57:36 on Oct 01, 2006

  Quote "Talk about reducing Star Trek to comic book level..."
  
  I'm sorry man, but as a long time comic book fan, that's kind of insulting, considering that there are a hell of a lot of good comic book stories out there that are far superior to much of the garbage on tv & the movies (the above Trek idea included)!
  
  

  
  

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    By: kman242 (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:59:45 on Oct 02, 2006

    Hear, hear! That was such a shallow dismissal of classics and ambitious works like Maus, Watchmen, Love and Rockets, Gaiman's Sandman, most of Will Eisner's stuff from the old days to today's Chester Brown's Louis Riel, Charles Burns' Black Hole, or even a pure superhero book Identity Crisis.

    
    

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By: nsr019 (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:33:08 on Sep 29, 2006 | (1)

You have got to be shitting me. That's the stupidest idea I've ever heard.

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  By: zirami (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:08:25 on Sep 29, 2006

  They misspelled appalled.

  
  

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