That's all, just a weird interview.
I don't particularly like Katee Sackhoff's acting or RDM's handle on Starbuck, but not because it's different from the original I've barely seen. I just find them grating and obvious, respectively.
You what’s funny?
This interview got linked all over the place and I only got flak from TNS Battlestar fans. TNS fans in general were pretty hostile over the whole thing.
TOS fans in general liked the interview and were complimentary of me for getting the interview.
Its funny how someone doesn’t like what Dirk said so they attack me. Like that makes any sense, but I don’t see any of the people that were critical of me posting their own celebrity interviews on their Sci-Fi websites.....Go figure :P
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I don't know Dirk. I haven't seen the original and my critic of his comments can be summed up as "He claims he hasn't seen the show and yet feels free to comment on its CONTENT." Some people like the new show, some don't and either way, all I need is decent ratings so the show I like doesn't get canned ;-) I DO think that your interview with him was weak for the reasons I had listed below, namely you allowed someone to act as a critic of a TV show they hadn't watched and as an "interviewer" didn't call him on it. I don't agree with the content of his essay but he does have the right to write anything he chooses and I DID find it entertaining. My problem with your interview is this passage
"The article explained I hadn't even seen the new show, so how could I saw it was bad, I never did say it was bad, a terrible show or awful, I never did say it. I just pointed out how different they are and why they are different."
Yeah, I can buy the "i'm a fan and it was a short interview and I'm greatful that he even talked to me." But....you published it. You decided to show the world this conversation. The editing process should have prevented you from allowing any interview subject to critic a show they claim they have never seen.
You what’s funny?
This interview got linked all over the place and I only got flak from TNS Battlestar fans. TNS fans in general were pretty hostile over the whole thing.
TOS fans in general liked the interview and were complimentary of me for getting the interview.
Its funny how someone doesn’t like what Dirk said so they attack me. Like that makes any sense, but I don’t see any of the people that were critical of me posting their own celebrity interviews on their Sci-Fi websites.....Go figure :P
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You what’s funny?
This interview got linked all over the place and I only got flak from TNS Battlestar fans. TNS fans in general were pretty hostile.
TOS fans in general liked the interview and were complimentary of me for getting the interview.
Its funny how someone doesn’t like what Dirk said so they attack me. Like that makes any sense, but I don’t see any of the people that were critical of me posting their own celebrity interviews on their Sci-Fi websites.....Go figure :P
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"The article explained I hadn't even seen the new show"
It doesn't. If it did, it would mean that the article is just someone sharing his ignorance of the topic at hand. Could you imagine if he had said "I haven't watched the show," and then made those comments.
Anyway, he is entitled to his opinion. I found the article entertaining in a Oprah vs. Frey or TomKat vs. Sanity kind of way. As traffic accidents go, that essay was a doozy.
Now, the follow-up interview was shameful. i went to jonja.net to read the interview and it reads as a fan too happy to meet a favorite celeb to call him on the "I never saw the show but here is what i have to say about the show in 1750 words or less."
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"...she didn't know what to do with you."
I think we all do now ;-)
Starbuck is still a man anyway...
Realy a shame that this Dirk vs. Katee thing has blown up as it has. It would be nice if somehow someone could sit both of them down in the same room and just let them both (mainly Dirk) explain what they really mean and such. Richard Hatch's involvement with the new version I feel (and I believe RDM has said so too) has really strengthend the show and I think if Dirk would/could somehow make peace involvement from him would be welcomed too. Wasn't it rumored Dirk was offered the Cylon Priest role that went to Dean Stockwell?
While I like the new version, there is still a big part of me that would love to see the continuation of the old as well, though I'm not sure if Tom Desanto or whomever's version would have been right or not especially with this Starbuck's child from Galactica 80 thing Dirk mentions. I prefer the scenario in Hatch's BSG books were Starbuck and Cassiopia had a daughter but they never married.
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Wasn't it rumored Dirk was offered the Cylon Priest role that went to Dean Stockwell
I heard that, too, somewhere. I remember RDM or DE saying they would consider putting other BSG-TOS actors in. Offering Hatch the Tom Zarek was a great political move on their part, originally, and he's turned out to be a fine asset in terms of his character's development.
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Laurette Spang who played Cassiopeia on the original series emailed me, and I thought it might be fun to try to find something for her. It's just not where our heads are at in terms of generating that kind of publicity for the show. My agenda is to broaden the show and to continue to bridge the show to different audiences. We're not targeting the sci-fan specifically right now. I think if you are a sci-fi fan you have sampled the show, and you have decided whether you like the show or not. Those fans are either an audience for the show or not, and if you've rejected it we're probably not going to get you back.
I think the title of this news article is mis-leading.
First off, you lose a lot from sitting in front of him and seeing his facial expressions and hearing his tone of voice. When he said she was cute, nice and bubbly, he was not being mean. He was giving his impression of her and I felt that it was not in a derogatory way.
Now for his "Brain Dead" comment, I think its his frustration coming out that he felt that she reacted to his article "Starbuck:Lost in Castration" without actually reading it. That was the point he was trying to get across, because he feels that if she would have read (and I don’t know if she has or not) the article, she would not have reacted so negatively.
His is article was about the difference in the shows reflecting the difference in the times they were made. I think he felt that most people took the article as an attack on the new show and my impression was that was not his intention.
I also want to address some of the criticism of myself and my wife. We are the ones who conducted this interview. Dirk Benedict does not do a lot of interviews and this is probably why. We knew he was not an easy person to get an interview out of, so we felt pretty fortunate that he agreed when we asked him.
Call me crazy, but when a celebrity does agree to do an interview with you and you’re not 60 Minutes, you’re pretty grateful and the last you want to do is badger the person.
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Call me crazy, but when a celebrity does agree to do an interview with you and you’re not 60 Minutes, you’re pretty grateful and the last you want to do is badger the person.
Give me a break. That "interview" was a complete kiss-ass fest. And therefore, your interpretation of "what Dirk really meant" is not credible.
Don't get me wrong, I love the new BSG. But a lot of what Dirk says in "Castration" I agree with.
Too bad the version him and Hatch were in didn't pan out. Sounds like it would have been quite good!
Well, he showed the signs of an desparate aged out C-List actor on that "Lowdown" thing. Now he's sinking to new depths. What's he trying to prove? I think Katie's Starbuck is awesome and is, in fact, loaded with all the pathos he wishes he had the acting skills to play.
Wow...he seems really jealous.
He shouldn't pick on poor Katee Suckoff like that...;-)
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Benedict has a right to his opinion. While the new show is interesting, it does reflect negativistic characters and neo-nihilism at times. He has nothing to be jealous of, having two well-remembered characters
to his credit--Face man and the original Starbuck. Also, BSG-TOS was highly rated in its day and taken off because it was too expensive to produce. New BSG will never approach those numbers, much less those of The A Team. BSGTNG is a good show, but hardly a highly popular one based on ratings. Despite the current revisionism regarding BSGTOS, it did many things well, see The Living Legend with Lloyd Bridges.
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Benedict has a right to his opinion. While the new show is interesting, it does reflect negativistic characters and neo-nihilism at times. He has nothing to be jealous of, having two well-remembered characters
to his credit--Face man and the original Starbuck. Also, BSG-TOS was highly rated in its day and taken off because it was too expensive to produce. New BSG will never approach those numbers, much less those of The A Team. BSGTNG is a good show, but hardly a highly popular one based on ratings. Despite the current revisionism regarding BSGTOS, it did many things well, see The Living Legend with Lloyd Bridges.
Agreed. I think part of what Benedict is reacting against is all the talk about BSG being the best SF show of all time. I don't believe for one second Benedict thinks his BSG was the best ever, either. But I do feel the new BSG -- though still a very good show -- is overrated by a lot of people. Part of it was the anti-Star Trek backlash that also elevated Firefly to a status higher than it deserved to achieve. I get annoyed when Moore talks about "reinventing" SF when there's nothing on BSG that hasn't already been done -- some might say done better -- in films such as 2001, Silent Running ... even Dark Star though that one wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
That sounds like I'm knocking BSG and I'm not meaning to. I like the show. But I can see how its pervasive negativism can be off-putting for people. I mean, some times when I'm watching BSG I do kinda wish we'd get a silly episode, or one that isn't an emotional rollercoaster ride. Just to break things up a bit. The original BSG was a pretty sombre show too, but once in awhile we'd still get six-eyed dancing girls, robot dogs, and Lloyd Bridges commanding a battlestar.
Al
Well I can say this Dick Benedick is a dick and has a dick, and he is a male. But while the new Starbuck is often a dick, it seems Katee Sackoff has no dick and is anything but in the interviews I have seen with her.
The original BSG was a marginal show in it's day. The saving graces where Lorne Greene and Richard Hatch-- Faceman often comes off just as phoney as the original BSG viper effects.
The new BSG, while it has its problems, has a group of actors with much more range than the original (excepting Greene). That is due very much so due to the writing, but also to the more complex characters that RDM is writing.
That doesn't mean there are not problems-- it does appear to be some "continuity" problems in how some characters change what is supposed to be short periods of time. But that is excused I think in most part because the rest is so strong and dramatic. In the same way we are forgiving Manny Coto and the other 24 writers for appearantly introducing transporter technology to the CTU this year-- yes, not so believable-- but you get some slack when the rest is so good.
I compare original BSG to TNG, and the new BSG to DS9 in tone, but I think the new BSG to TOS is more appropriate in overall quality and how long these shows will be watchable. I maintain that TNG we won't be watching in 10 years, where TOS and DS9 and the new BSG we will be.
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Agreed, TOS, DS9, BSG and Season Four of Enterprise will be watchable, Battle Star Galactia was really good sometimes back in 1978 and 79, thanks to a pretty good supportingf cast I thought on the bridge, But Galactica-1980 wasnt even watchable when it was on I hate to say!
I dont even think its fair to compare then and now, they are really two very different shows...the original was pretty much a straight forward "Star Wars for Television" clone.
And no offense it was sometimes really good. in 1978-79. probably 30-35% of the storys are still watchable imo!
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Well, I think I remember the first show well enough. I liked it...when I was 10. To extend his tortured hamburger analogy, it's a stale McDonald's quarter pounder vers. Beef Wellington. This guy's delusional.
I didn't even bother reading Dirk's latest whiny-boy, hissy fit. He's mad that the new show is getting all the raves the original never did. And that he hasn't been asked back.
Richard Hatch, on the other hand, was open about his distaste for a "reboot," but after he saw RDM talk about it to a hostile convention crowd, he decided to give it a shot. He respects RDM and the new show, even though he still reveres the original and wouldn't mind doing a revival. I'm cool with that.
This Starbuck vs. Starbuck bullshit? Nope. It's about two years late for it mean anything.
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Actually the original series did quite well and they even released a theatrical movie version of it in 78 or was it 79...I forget SOMETIMES being so OLD, as The Original and less BITCHY Starbuck is.
The point is until they turned it into the GARBAGE that Galactica 1980 , was..
It was a fairly good show in 1978-79 with about oh...30% of the old episodes still watchable/enjoyable today!
What could have been Dirk?...we can but sigh!...
I feel your pain Dirk..but life moves on....so as an OLD fan of yours...all I can say is....
GET OVER IT!
Whats done is done.
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.."You will keep your promise when we get to London, won't you Master? You will see that I get lives!?", .."not human lives but small ones, with blood in them!?"..."I'll be loyal to you Master,..I'll be loyal!" I didn't lead them here, Master. I didn't know. I swear. No! No!...I'm loyal to you Master. I'm your slave. I didn't betray you. Oh no don't! Don't kill me. Let me live please! Punish me, torture me, but let me live! I can't die with all those lives on my conscience! All that blood on my hands!
Renfield's entreaties are to no avail. In an incredible scene, Dracula kills his inept slave by strangling him, lifting him by the throat, and tossing his body down the massive staircase......
or in other words! ""Ich möchte allein sein" ("I want to be alone") ...
the original BSG, but speaking more generally to the fervor against reboots... the fact that an alternate interpretation of a property doesnt do damage to the original. it's like Bond. The fact that Daniel Craig is playing Bond in a new movie this year doesnt take anything away from Connery or Moore or Brosnan. Batman Begins doesnt take anything away from the first Batman. A new Trek movie with new actors playing Kirk and Spock wouldn't do anything to the volume of material the lies before. It's like Shakspeare. What's important is the character, not the actor. Yes we all love certain actors and some times they become blended with the role, but there is plenty of room for more than one actor playing a role in the grand course of movie and tv history.
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The one caveat, though, is that Bond and Batman are characters from other media that have been adapted to film. Kirk and Spock aren't like Shakespearean characters because their characters are intrinsically defined by the actors who played them. Their performances have defined their characters for 40 years.
But then what to say of Starbuck who was also a character solely defined by the actor who played him? I have seen and both BSGs. And I have come to not only accept, but love the new interpretation. But the original BSG didn't have 100+ hours of performances behind it.
Seems to me that the new Trek movie can go one of two routes: 1. You have actors reinterpret the characters... or 2. You do the Brady Bunch Movie: you have actors playing actors playing a part.
Not saying it can't be done. River Phoenix and Ewan MacGregor have both successfully played younger versions of iconic characters. However, in the case of Kirk, Shatner's performance is so distinctive that any performance that attempts to duplicate it runs the danger of becoming a parody rather than homage.
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I agree. In a very important way, a reboot can do much less damage to what came before it than a show which tries to pry itself into the established canon somewhere. Because, if they do a bad job of it, or establish absurd ideas (like the temperament of the Vulcan race in ENTERPRISE), then in a way it DOES do damage to it's predecessors. It colors everything that came before it. A reboot is a cannon of it's own, for the most part.
But I suppose the best of both worlds would be a re-visioning that's done really well and also fits into the canon in an effortless, natural way.
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If Abrams in fact produces a Starfleet Academy reboot movie, it is because Paramount doesn't want to make a movie just for the veteran TOS fans like me, who are a minority of the Trek audience anyway. They want to make a movie that can draw in a whole new audience, that can appeal to the general viewer.
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again, why did it repeat?
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ok, why did my post repeat itself?
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"If anyone is a coward, it is you."- Anonymous from the "Star Trek XI Sucked" blog (trying to be insulting to me while hiding behind "Anonymous")
"Should you find yourself the victim of other people's bitterness, ignorance, smallness or insecurities; Remember, things could be worse. You could be them!"
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But Steve, you're using logic in your argument. I mean, don't you know that the people that speak out against such things are automatically right because they say so and/or type in "caps lock"? ;-)
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"If anyone is a coward, it is you."- Anonymous from the "Star Trek XI Sucked" blog (trying to be insulting to me while hiding behind "Anonymous")
"Should you find yourself the victim of other people's bitterness, ignorance, smallness or insecurities; Remember, things could be worse. You could be them!"
What a circle-jerk. The so-called interviewer should have just sucked his cock; it would have had the same effect and he could have saved himself some bandwidth.
"Very male"? Insecure manboys of the world unite!
*rolls eyes*
Geezus.
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Ro...finally something we can agree on. We agree on a lot, but lately it's been all pro/con reboot/prequel. :)
I just can't believe that anyone could SERIOUSLY say that he is better in a role because "there is no comparison [between me and Sackhoff because], I was a 29 year old man that played that part and I was male, and I was really male!" Holy crap! How could anyone sound so stupid? I was a better actor because I was "male and I was really male"?!?!?!? Benedict feels like BSG portrays men as weak and women as strong. I don't know anything about new Starbuck that's sissyish. Benedict says old-Starbuck was manly because he drank and gambled. So does Sackhoff's version. So the only difference is anatomical. Is Adama weak? All the characters have a weak spot regardless of gender. It's not a cartoon, it's more realistic. I read Benedict's WHOLE article and I found it to be stupid. But he'll never understand that because he's paranoid, etc. And if he doesn't care about acting, etc, why is he doing appearances and interviews re: BSG??????????????????????
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Actually, its more like Dan Rather interviewing Hillary Clinton.
I love it when things get political...
*rolls eyes*
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Oh hell, Frasier, chill out. I wasn't attacking the church of the GOP; you dont need to swoop in with the insecure "but they do it too, mommie!" defensiveness.
"I love it when things get political..."
Of which you made it; I was just making a comparison to another softball interivew (it had nothing to do with politics). I could have just as easily said "it's like Scorned interviewing William Shatner". Damn.
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He really is a male! A real, maley male-type male person!
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Its funny, because I never picked up on that.
The response to the editorial escaped me (as did the editorial itself) But I can't say he did himself any favors on the sexism front with his comments about Sackoff.
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