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George Takei on Gay Discrimination and Equality Trek

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By GustavoLeao / 09:42, 26 April 2006 / People

The Arizona Republic posted an exclusive interview with TOS actor George Takei, in which he talks about his tour, dubbed "The Equality Trek," to discuss the discrimination facing the gay and lesbian community today. Here are a few excerpts.



Arizona Republic: This is a pretty extensive tour. Have you traveled and spoken about your own personal life experience this extensively before?

George Takei: No I have not... Brad and I have been out with our family and friends for quite some time - many, many years. But last year, I spoke to the press for the first time . . . the reason for that was, the California Legislature did a landmark thing, they passed a same-sex marriage bill [the Religious Freedom and Civil Marriage Protection Act] . . . and all that was required for the bill to become the law of the state was the signature of, well actually, the autograph of one actor who also happens to be the governor of California, Arnold Schwarzenegger.

When he ran for office he made all these moderate political statements: he's from Hollywood, he's worked with gays and lesbians, he's comfortable. And many people voted for him on that basis. And when he played to the most reactionary, conservative segment of his base and vetoed that [bill] I felt that I needed to speak out and my voice needed to be authentic. And so I spoke to the press for the first time, and it has changed my world and one of them being this Equality Trek.

AR: Can you talk a little bit about what your goals are for this tour, and what you're hoping to accomplish through speaking about your life experience in these various cities?

GT: I think we need to have a conversation, a dialogue with the larger community and share our lives. I think I have an extra access or even a mega phone and access to [the press] because of my Star Trek hook. But I think the problem has been, we've been, to use that term, "closeted." We've been quiet; we've been suppressing our lives. Our lives are really quite normal, and in many cases, quite boring. And I think it's important for us to connect with people.

I'm speaking as a Japanese American, and one who was incarcerated during the second World War simply because we happen to look like the people that bombed Pearl Harbor{ellipsis} Because we were the unknown, it was easier to characterize us as the enemy or the potential enemies. The saboteurs. And because of that it was easy for the government to put us behind those barbed wire fences.

In many respects there's a parallel situation here because the GLBT community has been not as vocal and as sharing of our lives as we should have been, we're still seen as a group that can be easily stereotyped, caricatured. You know, the flaming drag queens. And yes, they are part of the GLBT community, but they don't represent the whole GLBT community. We're corporate CEOs, we're schoolteachers, we're professional athletes, even an actor. So we're many, many things and we're part of Americana, in fact we're part of our families. We're sons and daughters, we're brothers and sisters. Some of us are parents, cousins. So we need to have this kind of sharing of what our lives have been like and by having that kind of discussion there comes understanding. And with understanding we can put to rest this kind of hysterical reaction that the Japanese Americans were subjected to.

The full interview can be found here.





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The only choice is to be yourself | Report this post to moderator
By: fenriswolf (Odo's file, contact) @ 05:44:44 on Apr 27, 2006 | Edit History (1)

Sexuality and sexual preference is not a choice. Sexual preference is a learned behavior whether you are gay or straight. No, there isn't a class and a textbook. It is learned as a part of your life experience interacting with your enviroment from the day you are born, just like the rest of your personality. People are complex and you can't find an easy answer for why we do what we do.

The only choice involved is deciding to be the person you are or respressing it to better fit into a societal norm.

I find it ridiculous that the US, a country that holds personal freedoms and liberties as one of our highest ideals, has an issue with granting two people the right to say 'we are a family'.

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By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 03:12:14 on Apr 27, 2006


George Takei's campaign may wage some colorful battles, but methinks it could mislead the pro-GLBT war. Takei says he wants his voice to be "authentic", but, on some levels, he patronizes the listener.

In many of his interviews, including the above, Takei says "It's normal for two people who love each other and who take responsibility for each other and care for each other to be married". Actually, the institute of marriage was invented by Church and Crown to create incentive and perks for citizens to make babies, thereby increasing the supply of tithers and taxpayers. That's how the "a man and a woman" proviso got into the fine print. Marriage is first and foremost designed for systematic procreation, not proclamation of mutual love.

Those marriage incentives and perks often include tax breaks and insurance benefits. Perhaps it's just a matter of time before same-sex heterosexual roommates get legally "married" just to hop through economic loopholes. It's human nature to play an advantage, e.g. some opposite-sex couples make babies just to warrant a fatter welfare income (albeit those offspring grow up to become tithers and taxpayers to the social system.)

It's great when consenting adults get together to satisfy each other. It can be even better when we're responsibly sincere about big issues.


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    By: MikeTheEditor (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:13:24 on May 01, 2006

    Umm.. actually, marriage started as a legal concept to transfer property. It wasn't until the 12th century that the church got involved, and then it was really to promote the man/woman thing as a sort of absolution from original sin.

    Today, marriage is nothing but a legal contract between two people to share property and wealth. WEDDINGS somewhat are governed by churches, if you choose to have one involved.


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By: Michael X. Maelstrom (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 23:44:24 on Apr 26, 2006


Greetings "I Hate Klingons",

I'm not going to assume you're a bigot or hate gays or whatnot unless you outright state that or have displayed some history of that that I'm unawares of.

I ask you to consider that I have no agenda, I'm not homosexual, and that I would like to at least try to present how I see it, to you, for your consideration.

I think your view that homosexuality is at least partially a choice is very common, and that it's based on a common tool we use to reach understanding: _personal experience_.

I submit that you might consider that your reaction is based on the assessment of your -own- sexuality.

Which is, as it happens, also the majority sexuality.

_personal experience_ however is not always the best source material to base a conclusion on, because sometimes peoples personal experiences are different.

Particularly this is so when the people involved are vastly different in nature.

id est. Many people vehemently believe and argue that homosexuality is "a choice"

why?

how can they say this with such strength of authority?

The "dirty-secret" (that is neither dirty, nor a secret, save by those who perceive it so) is that it is because they know that they have (as have most humans at some point in their life believe it or not) considered sex with someone of their own gender.

_personal experience_ and introspection is the reason why many heterosexuals are so sure it's "a choice".

Some religious people frame it as "evil lust" ergo something to be fought, hence the source of their condemnation.

But Again, they are sure this is so, -because- the occasional homosexual urge is something they have themselves fought.

While the perhaps more analytical heterosexual (the psychologist or the introspective) considers it or might frame it simply as "normal sexual curiousity".

But here's the rub: that above, the occasional homosexual thought had by the religious and indeed by the majority of people at some point in their life, is NOT homosexuality.

I say again, that is NOT homosexuality.

*You* can resist same-gender sex precisely because you're not homosexual by nature.

I think many have confused the two.

What the typical heterosexual experiences, the resisting of the _occasional_ homosexual urge, has been erroneously paralleled by many heterosexuals with _actual_ homosexuality.

Homosexuals cannot "resist" their nature.

..it's _pervasive_, it's non-stop, not an occasional background thought.

Consider instead: Homosexuals see the same gender in _precisely_ the same way you/we see the -opposite- gender.

The Point:

To tell a homosexual it's a "choice" simply because it is for _you_ and me, would be 100% precisely the same as someone telling you, that your heterosexuality is a choice.

^Raise-Eyebrow.

Now add into the equation that some people will always tell you that your heterosexuality is shameful? to be hidden? not to be spoken of aloud? is therefore un-equal.

and we can begin to understand how they feel when such statements as "it's a choice" are made.

I submit there's no conspiracy, they're not lying, they're just as you are, just as we all are, they simply have a different sexual preference in their wiring.

Finally, imagine if you will, the world inverted, or, another world inverted.

(as you're well awares Roddenberry has oft done to tell a story about man - from a safe distance - and as SF at its best frequently does imo)

..imagine _you're_ transported to this planet, were you are initially well received as an honoured guest, but once they discover you're heterosexual, you're shunned, you're told that your heterosexuality is:

1. a choice

2. is shameful

3. should be hidden or not spoken of

and finally,

4. that your inability to resist your heterosexuality and desire for the opposite sex, proved you were succumbing to evil human urges, that you are in some way weak or "giving in" to a lustful "choice".

Now consider that this is what it is like here..

(or at least in those sections of the planet, that try to exclude homosexuals the liberties afforded everyone else)

..that this is what it is like every day, for homosexuals at this point in time, _on Earth_.

That's Not Sci-Fi.

That's their reality right here on this planet.

I think, Empathy is called for.

and I would submit that Star Trek is an appropriate vehicle for shining a light on that, as it has historically always tried to illuminate the human condition.

Anyway, the above submitted for your consideration.

Michael X.



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    By: I Hate Klingons (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:21:29 on Apr 27, 2006

    I appresiate the thoughtful feedback. And it is all very intriuging. I didn't mean to step on so many toes. I agree that most decisions are based on experience. However, with this matter, I think I've seen too many statistical facts that would suggest that it has nothing to do with DNA. For example, did you know that a man is three to four times more likely to be gay if he has an older brother? Or that surveys in America's top twelve major cities indicate a gay population of 9%, whereas in rural areas only 1%. What would either of those things have to do with genetic makeup? I think just like any other sexual desire and preference (i.e. something that turns on one guy may be a total turn off for someone else) it is part of our personality makeup, which is largely based on our experiences and our environment.


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      By: Yesterday's Lemmiwinks (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:21:20 on Apr 27, 2006

      DNA doesn't really matter. It's a persons soul where their love and passion lie. I personally know several twins where one is gay, and the other is straight.

      Environmental experiences have nothing to do with it either. You'll find people from all walks of life and backgrounds who are gay.

      You city/rural statistics are kinda bunk. Growing up in the sticks myself, there are just as many "gays-per-capita" as anywhere else. It's just that those environments tend to be much more homophobic than cities, meaning more people living in the closet and denying their nature.

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      By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:57:11 on Apr 27, 2006

      Quote from I Hate Klingons to Michael X. Maelstrom:
      I think I've seen too many statistical facts that would suggest that it has nothing to do with DNA. For example, did you know that a man is three to four times more likely to be gay if he has an older brother? Or that surveys in America's top twelve major cities indicate a gay population of 9%, whereas in rural areas only 1%


      Those kind of studies might be registering a trigger factor that gates an underlying trait which could exist in all males. That same underlying trait might also account for why even heterosexual men may experience homosexual fantasies, and why homophobia can be such a strong emotional (irrational) response.


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        By: I Hate Klingons (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:03:09 on Apr 27, 2006

        Or it could be the fact that it's abnormal and repulses men who have normal sexual orientations.


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          By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:56:12 on Apr 27, 2006 | Edit History (1)

          Quote from I Hate Klingons:
          Or it could be the fact that it's abnormal and repulses men who have normal sexual orientations.


          There are many shades of gray surrounding what's sexually arousing -- but you're not required to jump in.

          Filter out the male-male sex acts from the gay signal. If you still feel "repulsed" then perhaps you're unable to identify what matters.


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          By: Yesterday's Lemmiwinks (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:03:21 on Apr 27, 2006

          nice superiority complex you've got there, huh?

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          By: Cymro (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:11:20 on Apr 27, 2006

          Or it could be the fact you're a wanker.

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    By: Hbasm (Odo's file, contact) @ 01:11:23 on Apr 27, 2006

    I'd say it should be hidden or not spoken of regardless if a person is heterosexual, bisexual or homosexual. Its private. I'm getting a little bit tired of seeing this issue on Trekweb. Actually I'd prefer all the characters in Star Trek to be non-sexual. Then we shall have peace.


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      By: Yesterday's Lemmiwinks (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:09:37 on Apr 27, 2006

      Ah yes. Pure, boring, sterile peace.

      I'm not down for sexed-up Trek myself (poor T'Pol), but relationships are part of life. Picard and Beverly had an absolutely wonderful relationship that most likely was sexual at some point, but such things weren't conveyed (or necessary).

      Gay relationships work much the same way... plus, there's a wealth of unique drama and stigma there to write about.

      The debate we're seeing right here is the kind of thing Trek used to take head-on. That's what's so irritating about this situation. Similitude dealt with an equally divisive issue (cloning/harvesting) with such polish that it was ENT's best episodes. Kira was a terrorist (albiet, before 9/11) whose background was painted with very dark tones. I could go on and on, but I want my lunch now : ).

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By: I Hate Klingons (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:30:55 on Apr 26, 2006

I only said I don't think it's fair when gays compare themselves to people who have fought REAL battles for civil liberties. When was the last time any of you gay people were a slave!? Or had to use a seperate bathroom!? I think it is ridiculous that everyone suddenly responds saying I hate and I should hunt witches. Where did I say anything hateful? I'm sorry that I don't think the struggles of some gays can compare to that as portrayed in "Roots". (Though Kunta Kinte is fabulous!) I only stated an opinion, and if the best you can do is call me a hate-monger and libel me you will never win freedom, because guess what? MOST OF THE NATION AGREES WITH ME! If you can't learn to engage them in the rational arena of ideas, and just call them names, then you are as bad as the people that truly hate you.


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    By: Yesterday's Lemmiwinks (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:53:26 on Apr 27, 2006

    Most of us were reacting to your little soap box about "gay" being a choice. Read what you wrote.

    Nobody here is advocating that the gay community has it as bad as black americans did back in the day. You're the only one here making that connection.

    Most of the nation agrees with you? Read a newspaper. Right now, just about every poll puts this debate at an even 50/50 split. But why check facts when you can just make 'em up?

    The truth is, just because we aren't being treated as badly as other discriminated-against groups (something you might want to ask Matthew Shepard's family about) doesn't mean that you people have the right to keep on treating us like sh!t in any capacity. What's wrong is wrong. Don't try to quantify it.

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    By: Data311 (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:08:54 on Apr 27, 2006

    You are right gays have never been slaves... but neither have Women as a group been slaves and yet they have faught for rights.
    Gay are fighting discrimination as well. Discrimination in the workplace in buying homes in having children in adopting children. We are also fighting for a time when gays can walk down ANY street and not have to worry whether or not some bigotted creepy is going to beat them or kill them just be cause he is a "Faggot"

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      By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:44:03 on Apr 27, 2006

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      Gay are fighting discrimination as well.


      Recognizing women's equality, or racial equality, doesn't conflict with the biological imperatives of our two-sexed species, nor could it compromise population tax revenues which sustain existing social infrastructure.

      Even if it were heterosexual in basis, institutionalized same-sex conjugality presents long-term liability on both of those grounds. Some same-sex "rights" demand that a breeder society act against some of its survival instincts.


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By: I Hate Klingons (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:09:23 on Apr 26, 2006

First if all, I love George Takei, and I love Sulu. I'm sorry though, the whole gay issue has nothing to do with civil rights. I'm sick and tired of gays comparing themselves to people fighting for racial equality. No one ever made a decision to be black, therefore, civil liberty. No matter what people say, people make a decision to be gay, albeit a decision strongly influenced by their circumstances, but a decision, therefore, not a civil liberty. And why does he have to use Star Trek as his bully pulpit?


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    By: Data311 (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:14:57 on Apr 27, 2006

    So Why don't you tell us all when you had that great point in your life where you said to your self "Ok I could have sex with men or women, be gay or straight. Yeah I think i'll be striaght"

    Did that ever happen or do gays only make the choice? Please explain this to me... cause I am gay and i didn't get a choice... So did i sleep through a big Choosing Ceramony?

    Also You never answered my Previous Question on if you think Religion is not grounds for "Civil Liberties" Because it is a Choice.

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    By: Nick (Odo's file, contact) @ 23:52:31 on Apr 26, 2006

    Uh Gays and Lesbians did not choose to be gay anymore than you chose to like whatever you like. Do you honestly think anyone would "choose" to be part of a stigmatized social group and deal with all of society's bullshit just because straight people can't stomach the thought of two gay people getting it on? You have no idea what it is like to live as a gay person. For years I never expressed my sexuality to anyone because I was paranoid someone was going to tell everyone and it would get back to my parents. I didn't choose to be gay. I was born this way. I don't think it is genetic and I don't think it is a socialization issue. I am who I am. It took many years for me to accept that. When people like you belittle that and throw comments out that it is a choice is a really ignorant thing to say because you don't have the slightest fracking clue what it is like to be gay. Get a life.


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    By: Data311 (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:44:29 on Apr 26, 2006 | Edit History (1)

    Ok nimwit... EVEN if Homosexuality WAS a choice... and it is not. I should know I am gay and I didn't choose it.

    But Religion is a choice and it is protected by Civil rights so... Does that mean a person should be able to be denied rights because of Religion?

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    By: Yesterday's Lemmiwinks (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:55:52 on Apr 26, 2006

    So, you must be gay yourself, 'cuz you know what it's all about, don't you?

    You seem to hate much more than Klingons.

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    By: Cymro (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:08:11 on Apr 26, 2006

    Even if that were so (and it isn't), what possible reason is there to stop consenting adults from engaging in such activities?

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    By: X-Drone1701 (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:00:23 on Apr 26, 2006

    Are you a homosexual? A gay person would know for sure if it were a choice. You sir seem to be an expert on the subject.


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By: Cymro (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:40:00 on Apr 26, 2006

Great to see a Trek alum fighting for civil rights, very fitting.

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    By: Chronic Harlot (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:29:31 on Apr 27, 2006

    But...but...this WILL make Star Trek look like it's Gay!

    (I typed 'will' in capital letters so you know it's true)

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      By: Yesterday's Lemmiwinks (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:43:12 on Apr 27, 2006

      aw... I thought that was a Wes Crusher reference...

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      By: Cymro (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:58:13 on Apr 27, 2006

      But Star Trek *is* gay. Star Wars and BSG TOS are the straight man's sci-fi - guns, balls and no brains, not like that pussy-ass Star Trek, always trying to be peaceful and showing people's emotions, hell it even treated niggers as equals back in the 60s before this fuckin' PC bullshit took over TV. *spits*

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By: Michael X. Maelstrom (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 17:33:26 on Apr 26, 2006


Trek is at its core about the mutual-acceptance of and co-habitation between all cultures, ergo: Well Done Mr. Takei!

However, for your edification, if I ever hear,

"Yes Captain Sir *pause* OoooOooo nice Valentino Garavani ensemble Sir! and is that Lancome Juicy Rouge?"

..on Future Star Trek, and I don't see you standing up and saying "uh, that's going a bit too far people" I'm warning you George, I shall track you down, shave your genitals with a phaser and dip them in Romulan ale.

Until then and Otherwise, More Power To You Mr. Takei.

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By: ChunkySoup (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:39:59 on Apr 26, 2006

Bleh... Star Trek doesn't really need to be associated with this. Star Trek already has the stigma of being nerdy, and now people will probably think that it's "gay" as well.


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    By: Yesterday's Lemmiwinks (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:39:59 on Apr 26, 2006

    i.d.i.c.

    redneck.

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      By: ChunkySoup (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:20:33 on Apr 27, 2006

      Wow, I guess that I am a "redneck". I can only aspire to one day be as tolerant as you are...

      Hypocracy wins the day again.


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        By: Yesterday's Lemmiwinks (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:41:25 on Apr 27, 2006

        You insinuated that Trek being associated with anything "gay" would be a bad thing. "Excuse me, Chunky, but fuck you," is what I wanted to say, but I settled for "redneck."

        If you wanna run your mouth off, fine. Just don't expect people to not take notice and react. Call it hypocracy if you like... I personally don't care.

        The difference, kiddo, is that I actually am tolerant of my fellow man. You appear to not be.

        "Intolerance... will not be tolerated!"
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      By: ChunkySoup (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:12:20 on Apr 26, 2006 | Edit History (1)

      I'm not a redneck, thanks. I live in Eugene, Oregon - pretty much the antithesis of a redneck town. I just don't feel that Takei's efforts will help the Trek franchise, and barely anyone cares what he has to say. The amount of press he gets on this site is incredible ("UPDATE: George Takei reacts" [and says nothing important], anyone?}


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        By: Data311 (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:48:31 on Apr 26, 2006

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        He's not trying to help the franchise... He's trying to help a segment of the world community from being constantly sh*t on but narrow minded reneck idiots!

        And it is just as news worthy on this site as Shatner's Kidney stone.. or Nimoy doing whatever.. so .. there it is!

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        By: Yesterday's Lemmiwinks (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:52:49 on Apr 26, 2006 | Edit History (1)

        "Redneck" is not a geo-specific term. I don't care if you live in fracking Timbucktu. If you have such blatant single-minded things to say about other people, you should be prepared to be called on your ignorance.

        The truth is just because you don't care about this doesn't mean that "barely anyone cares." Asserting so will get you a reaction like this. If this was flame bait, well, then bravo.

        Why is George Takei coverage newsworthy? Why is any news about Shatner, Nimoy, et al worthy of discussion? It's a Trek site and he's a Trek alumn.

        You are witnessing I.D.I.C. in action, my friend. Why are you against putting the injustices against your fellow man out there for all to see?

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          By: TheMadIrishman (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:30:18 on Apr 27, 2006

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          You are witnessing I.D.I.C. in action, my friend. Why are you against putting the injustices against your fellow man out there for all to see?

          IDIC except for those who disagree with you, it would seem. The only hate, venom and vitriol I'm reading in this thread seems to be coming from the pro-homosexual side of the issue.

          For those among us of the Christian faith, any denomination, the apostle Paul writes pretty unequivocally on the subject in Romans 1:18-32 and 1 Corinthians 6:9-20. It doesn't say that we do, or should hate or mistreat homosexuals, but that we're definitely not to practice or support homosexuality.

          The stance you've taken seems to demand that we cast aside our tennants of faith whenever they don't fall in line with the philosophies of a TV show and movie franchise, or the popular culture of the day. Should we disregard our beliefs to appease you and others who have a difference of opinion?

          Particularly in the area of marriage, which is, as we see it, a sacred institution created by God for man and woman, you can't expect us to just roll over and not take a stand. To do anything else would be, as some have said here, "to deny who we are," to deny our faith and to ignore the way we've been told by God in the aforementioned scriptures to live.

          I've seen for many years as a Star Trek fan, that in the fan community it's popular to spout the virtues of the philosophy of IDIC and apply it to everyone unless a person happens to have religious beliefs that aren't in lockstep with certain ideas. To me, that seems the greatest hypocrisy.

          So here's the way I see it. I've met George several times and really admire the man, even though I disagree with him in this area. I don't know you, don't hate you, but disagree with you on this issue. We're both Trek fans, and could probably enjoy hangin' at a con for a weekend despite our difference of opinion.

          That's real tollerance, and that's what IDIC is supposedly about. I live as I will, occasionally share my faith with others, and let them live as they will.

          Jesus didn't beat people into submission and demand they follow Him, he just said "I'm going this way, come follow me," and left it up to the individual's free will to accept or reject. That's my model, as His follower. Not really what seems to be the common perception of believers, and not what some misguided believers have incorrectly taken as their mission in life.

          And no, of course I'm not perfect, nor do I pretend to be. Being a believer is kind of like being an addict in detox where the drug is sin. We'll always be addicted to it, just like everyone else in the world, but we're getting help and trying to do better in spite of it. So don't get the idea that I'm coming from some high-and-mighty, holier-than-thou mindset like some people do.

          If you truly believe in the philosophy of IDIC, you'll understand when those of us of The Faith who love great sci-fi don't support all the issues it espouses, instead of just calling us "ignorrant rednecks" and hurling expletives at us.

          In the Vulcan tradition, I wish you true peace and long (eternal) life.


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            By: cooper2000 (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:29:30 on May 02, 2006


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            Quote:Particularly in the area of marriage, which is, as we see it, a sacred institution created by God for man and woman, you can't expect us to just roll over and not take a stand.

            Yeah, right because so many Men and Woman are so good at the institution of Marriage. What is the divorce rate now a days?????
            Ohh brother.


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            By: Yesterday's Lemmiwinks (Odo's file, contact) @ 00:36:26 on Apr 28, 2006

            "you can't expect us to just roll over and not take a stand.

            Welcome to the club.

            I do understand. Why does ones faith have to include publicly denouncing another group of people? I'm not decrying Chunky or I Hate Klingons' right to his(her?) opinion and the expression of it. If someone expresses something on here that I disagree with, I post a response to it... whether it's about Trek, politics, religion, or what have you.

            I respect Christian beliefs enough not to post inflammatory comments about them. I don't claim to understand why Christians cling to their beliefs... excuse me if I expect the same of my fellow man.

            Perhaps my initial language/reaction was a bit harsh. Please understand, though, that when you spend your whole life being told that there's something wrong with you, that you're somehow not normal, that you chose this life for yourself... well... sometimes you just want to see if the other person likes how it feels. I also felt insulted, and sometimes, you just wanna insult the person back.

            Thanks for your calm and insightful response. I'm very much trying to keep my cool in this particular thread. While I believe my history of posting at Trekweb can get pretty heated, I think you'll rarely find a case where I post inflammatory language about someones beliefs or soul. I myself was raised in a very Christian home. Went to the Church of Christ, led the singing there 'till I was 15. I've since left that particular (non)denomination, but attend a different Christian church frequently. (Though my old church would never recognize the members of my new church as being real Christians... what with all that instrumental music, laughter, women without covered heads... funny how that works, huh?) I thank you for providing scripture links, but I'm quite familiar. They don't carry much weight for me because I don't take the Book as a literal instruction manual. I also am skeptical of the integrity of God's true message after it's been translated and transcribed by men for thousands of years.

            Oh shnikey's... there I go not being very PC again. : ) Seriously, thanks for the read. We've got very opposite viewpoints, but I like the way you think/write. I've been learning much about the current-day Christian POV in this thread. Peace be with you.

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              By: cooper2000 (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:18:32 on May 02, 2006

              I like what you had to say Lemiwinks.
              It's very true that Religious people like to quote the bible and also use it as an excuse to hate people who arent like them. They devide instead of Unite.
              I read something recently that said this: Atheists respect spiritual and nonspiritual life as deeply personal. These is a moral path for us to share that is not defined by religion. This path is defined by tolerance, acceptance and generosity. Governments need to represent diverse people, regardless. The power of this could be world peace.


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                By: Yesterday's Lemmiwinks (Odo's file, contact) @ 01:22:51 on May 03, 2006

                Governments need to represent diverse people, regardless.

                This is exactly my point with regards to the gay marriage issue. Christians seem to feel they have a right to a monopoly on the definition of what marriage should be in this country. While that's all well and good for their personal lives, there are a lot of us out here (at least 1/10'th of the population, by conservative estimates) who don't share those values. We also have a constitution that provides protection from another group's religious beliefs. The government has no right enforcing religious ideals on segments of the population that do not share them.

                My desire to get married one day has nothing to do with religion... it has to do with whom I love and whom I want to spend the rest of my days with. I'm not asking that they recognize the integrity of my marriage in their church. Such a thing would be against my very ideals and what I stand for. (I don't want to intrude on their personal lives any more than I want them to intrude on mine.) But I'll be damned if I'll sit idly by while they continue to influence the government and the population to continue with this attitude of segregation, hypocricy, and intolerance.

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    By: Data311 (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:56:55 on Apr 26, 2006

    See there ya go you disproved it yer self... not just nerds and gays are interested in Star Trek topics but narrow minded nitwits do to!

    Look broadening the horizions already!

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By: Yesterday's Lemmiwinks (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:29:55 on Apr 26, 2006

You are an inspiration to our community. Keep up the good fight, and others will follow.

I too am tired of all this waiting in the wings.

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By: Chronic Harlot (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:50:47 on Apr 26, 2006

Keep it up. :)

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