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By: cooper2000 (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:18:27 on Apr 05, 2006

Stewart and Spiner are always whining about their association with Trek. It gets old. What, Stewart did Lifeforce before Trek?????

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By: Howie2000slc (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:57:46 on Apr 04, 2006

he was asked the question.. he answered it honestly..

to be fair i can completely understand why he found it a bit of an annoyance.. how would you like to be reminded that the best thing you ever did was in the past and you can never do anything better..

This is how Trek is portrayed by Sci-Fi Websites, magazines and entertainment news shows.. most of the time tho these questions are asked by Trek specific site that want the Trek goss.. in some article they ask him about what he though of Enterprise and the cancellation.. who cares, he was never on the show, he had nothing to do with the show other than he was once part of a show that was also TREK.. id reach my nerves end after a while..

Patrick has been in a bunch of interview lately about his up and coming projects like X-men and the 11th Hour, but a huge chunk of the questions are still Star Trek based...

to make a comparison.. how would you like it if your parents though your best achievement was being born..

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  By: psp1 (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:48:58 on Apr 06, 2006

  Another completely consistent interpretation is that his ego is too large. Consequently, he can't accept that ST:TNG will be the work he will be best known for, because he will never be an A grade actor like Olivier.
  I believe Shatner has similar ego problems. Except he has come to accept his status and realizes he will never be an A grade actor- but that's ok, he can be an excellent B.
  Once Stewart comes to a similar realization, I think he will be more comfortable with himself.
  
  
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By: psp1 (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:23:15 on Apr 03, 2006

I regarded Stewart as one of the few saving graces of TNG and thought it was terribly overrated. But if it's any comfort to him, plenty of my friends were as ashamed to have him associated with Trek as he now appears to be.




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  By: c.p. (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:29:54 on Apr 04, 2006

  Except that your friends, I'm assuming, were embarrassed about the work he did on the show--the product-- as well as his association with a middle brow science fiction tv show. But Stewart goes out of his way here to say he's not embarrassed to be associated with TNG or Star Trek in general. And starring in X-Mens 1-3 would hardly be the way to demonstrate a new found disrespect for pop sci-fi. Instead he's saying he's "annoyed" that the fame TNG brought him overshadows his previous work and taints the work he's done since.
  
  At any rate, I think it's worth noting that in other interviews he admits that Star Trek has afforded him opportunities he never would have had otherwise. He's a moody artist who's incapable of being satisfied with what fate has handed him. As long as he never turns Brando and denounces what was a wonderful, bright tv show, then I'll respect the fact that it's also a catch 22 for him.

  
  

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By: ArgonautFleecey (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:39:44 on Apr 03, 2006

You say Stewart should have expected notoriety when he signed to do TNG. Why? Why should he have expected the sequel series to Star Trek to be successful back in 1987? Or for that to define his career? I don't think that's what he really expected, and I don't blame him.

As for his chagrin at being constantly linked to Star Trek--the man is an ACTOR. He's a long-time member of the Royal Shakespeare Company, which is a HUGE thing for any actor. He's appeared in films and television unconnected to Trek, he's appeared on Broadway and in the West End, and he's always been a well-regarded classical actor. But people remember him most as part of a franchise of staggeringly inconsistent quality that has a notoriously fanatical, arrogant and shortsighted fanbase.

I'd be annoyed, too.

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  By: Rational Voice (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:46:02 on Apr 04, 2006

  The way I see it, if a person does not want to be constantly associated with one character they have played, they should avoid being actors. There stands a decent chance that any role may be of great interest to many people, and will have something of a "Picard effect" for that actor. Being typecast is a risk when taking almost any major role. Patrick Stewart certainly has a right to be annoyed by it, but he simply needs to deal with it, because nothing will ever change the fact that he was Jean-Luc Picard.

  
  

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    By: Cymro (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:22:10 on Apr 04, 2006

    He has dealt with it, you moron. It doesn't make it any less annoying, and it doesn't mean that when he's asked if it annoys him he's going to lie about it. He enjoyed the work and got paid a shitload for it, but there were some drawbacks, as there are with most careers, and I don't see why anyone should be pissed at him for being honest about it.
    
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  By: Dukat (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 17:19:45 on Apr 03, 2006

  Expecting notoriety from 1987 is one thing, but about th 3rd or 4th season, he coulnd't see it was going to be as huge or bigger than TOS? But he kept signing on, kept taking the paychecks, and then did the movies. These are his choices, his career and retirement was funded completely by this. Yet he complains because he is identified with it.
  
  And I am sure if he goes back to the plays with the RSC, people won't be saying that who are going to those plays. But no, he is doing things and going places where he is identified as a star, and he is a star for only one reason us.
  
  He can be annoyed- he can scream at the moon if he wants-- but the only thing to understand is when he makes statements about that, it is not the whole content that gets known to the general public, but just like the headline "Stewart Annoyed with Star Trek Association". Then we complain about how Trekkies are portrayed in the news and on comedy shows. Was Shatner funny with the Get A Life? yes-- i think so, but I think a lot of people were hurt because he did it in front of everyone-- if he did that at a convention, everyone would have laughed.
  
  Shatner learned from it, and he respects the fans and doesn't say stupid crap like this. That's all I am saying Stewart should do. But he can do anything he wants, and it is my right and anyone elses to be annoyed with him as well.
  
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    By: Cymro (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:27:06 on Apr 03, 2006

    So are you more pissed at him for having thoughts and feelings or for answering a question honestly?
    
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      By: Dukat (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 19:20:50 on Apr 03, 2006

      Come on- I am saying he should continue to be a cheerleader. He had no problem talking about how great Nemesis was going to be and Insurrection and Generations. So was that lying or cheerleading. Oh yeah, that was when he was still going to make a dollar off us.
      
      Look, if you like having him add to the fray badmouthing Trek and badmouthing you- fine- I am just saying I am annoyed by him as much as he is by us. He can go on saying anything he wants-- I, personally, was already tired of him and hope the next movie goes somewhere else.
      
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        By: Cymro (Odo's file, contact) @ 04:26:04 on Apr 04, 2006 | (1)

        He hasn't badmouthed anyone, dipshit. Did he say "I hate the Trekkies"? No. Did he say "I hate Star Trek?" No. Did he say he hated working on TNG? No. He doesn't like feeling as if he's only being reckognised for his one role. That's it. Of course, we've now established that you're too much of a turd to be able to comprehend that.
        
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          By: Dukat (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 07:26:17 on Apr 04, 2006

          I am saying that he is adding to the fray that is badmouthing Trek- by him making negative comments regarding his association it is taken as a negative comment about Trek.
          
          Perhaps this is too hard for you to understand as you would rather call me names (and really intelligent names) than actually try and understand another point of view.
          
          I understand that you think that the key is what he said and the entire context of it. I am saying what is important is the headline it generates because that is all that 98% of the people read. Before you came to this thread and went and read the article what was your impression by the title of the link?
          
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            By: Cymro (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:30:25 on Apr 04, 2006

            I thought it was going to be something about typecasting.
            
            So you're actually pissed at Trekweb for sexing up what he said for the purpose of a headline?
            
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            It's not a point of view, it's fact. Patrick Stewart isn't badmouthing Trek, you ass, you've as much as admitted that with your "I am saying that he is adding to the fray that is badmouthing Trek" bullshit.
            
            And why won't you respect my opinion that you're a turd?
            
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              By: Dukat (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 13:40:44 on Apr 04, 2006 | (1)

              Chill out little fella. No need to get all testy.
              
              And I won't waste any more time on you, as you clearly lack the capacity to understand my point. Sorry I wasted your time- go back to petting puppy, Lennie.
              
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        By: NKDietrich (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:32:17 on Apr 03, 2006

        He didn't say anything bad about Star Trek or the fans. He simply doesn't like being known for _one_ role. If you were an actor, especially an older one who's been acting for decades, you'd be frustrated about it too.
        
        And frankly, theres a reason I dont mention Star Trek when people ask me what television and movies I like. I don't want to be mistakenly associated with the typical Trekkie, who, as a poster a couple posts above said, is "notoriously fanatical, arrogant and shortsighted".

        
        

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By: sb2004 (Odo's file, contact) @ 04:56:51 on Apr 03, 2006

There's nothing here that hasn't been said by virtually every actor who ever put on a Starfleet uniform. If Stewart didn't want to be a fanboy poster child, he wouldn't have taken the job -- nor would he have followed it up by playing Professor X.

While the TOS cast can be forgiven for not realizing how well identified they'd become, by the time TNG rolled around everyone knew the rules of the game.

Stewart has done a lot of quality non-Trek work both before and after TNG, and he will no doubt continue to do so. But it took Shatner until his mid-70s and Boston Legal to finally find a role that made people forget about Kirk and for which he won acclaim ( everyone knew TJ Hooker was just Kirk with a badge). Hopefully Stewart won't have to wait quite as long.

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  By: Terry212 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 05:08:04 on Apr 03, 2006

  I hope people are reading the whole article before complaining. I mean...the TrekWeb link about Stewart being annoyed by being associated with Star Trek is a bit misleading. He expresses only love for the work he did and his castmates. He only dislikes being remembered, essentially, as a has-been or as an actor capable of playing other roles. That's completely understandable. I mean, the idea that he's "that guy from Star Trek" could keep him from getting movie and TV parts because of the fear that people won't be able to get past thinking of him as Picard. That kind of fear or irritation has nothing to do with being ashamed of Trek. He didn't say anything that fans should be offended by.
  
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    By: Dukat (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 08:38:59 on Apr 03, 2006

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    Thats the point. By him making this statement, it is going to be just the headline or just the tag. The bulk of the population reads this one line (and it is not just Trekweb doing this), and it is a reflection that Trekkies are annoying.
    
    Further it is not understandable how he could be so DUMB as to think, I will go and take this Star Trek job, but will be able to retain anonymity. Even if he did, clearly by the 3rd season, he could see that he was going to be JL Picard for the rest of his life-- he chose to keep taking the paycheck.
    
    
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      By: Cymro (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:59:47 on Apr 03, 2006

      So does getting a lot of money and oppourtunities make the bad side effects any less annoying?
      
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By: Hbasm (Odo's file, contact) @ 02:10:13 on Apr 03, 2006

He may be really saying that he wants to recapture past glory. Star Trek was the top of his career, which makes him proud, but also irratated that people now "ignore the rest of his life".

Then go back to Star Trek and participate actively in bringing it back.

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  By: Schpock (Odo's file, contact) @ 06:43:11 on Apr 04, 2006

  You're clueless.
  
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By: AX (Odo's file, contact) @ 00:19:10 on Apr 03, 2006

What else needs to be said?

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By: Greenspan (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:06:10 on Apr 02, 2006

Look, he's not badmouthing Star Trek or wanting people to forget that he was a part of it. Only hypersenstive Trekkies would be offended by his comments. He's an actor. Actors don't want to be heavily identified with one role. Introducing him as Star Trek's Patrick Stewart instead of just as Patrick Stewart is an insult to him. It's like saying he's a nobody without Star Trek or that Star Trek is the only notable thing he's done. Actors like to be able to disappear into a role and not have the audience see them as a character they played earlier. And coming back to do another Trek movie if he's given a big fat paycheck doesn't make him a hypocrite. It just means they gave him enough money to overlook the fact that he's heavily identified with this one role. Imagine if you were the CEO of some big company like Intel and you went to work as the CEO of Sun Microsystems, but long after you joined Sun, people kept referring to you as the guy from Intel. You can be proud of your time at Intel, but you'd rather people not need that label to describe you all the time.

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• No, it's cool, I expect this from some actors, and it's acceptable | Report this post to moderator
  By: Schpock (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:36:19 on Apr 02, 2006

  As I was highlighting in my response to Cymro below, an actor in the position that Stewart is in has many things to consider. Typecasting can be detrimental to the advancement of one's career. This allows him to ask for a higher figure when he's asked to appear in something that might prevent him from accepting a role in a different genre or niche, or even in a general release that doesn't exemplify anything from Star Trek. I hope he was paid well for NEMESIS. And if he were asked to do yet another TNG film, I would expect that he would ask for land rights on the moon as well.
  
  He's had a very good career and it's really fun to see him in other things, like the villain in Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson, X-Men, and the FOX cartoon American Dad.
  
  Even though I first became aware of him on TNG, I don't automatically associate him with Star Trek in the same way I do with Shatner and Nimoy. Those guys, as great as I think they are, didn't do a hell of a lot after Trek, unless you count T.J. Hooker into account. Both have written books though, which goes a long way toward distinguising oneself from their onscreen persona/persoanae.
  
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    By: Greenspan (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:37:10 on Apr 03, 2006

    If he put on some weight, his character in Conspiracy Theory would make a good Dick Cheney. Now he can just drop the accent and learn to talk out of the side of his mouth. LOL
    
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    By: Cymro (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:01:02 on Apr 02, 2006

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    You mean like "I am Spock" and "I am not Spock"? :P
    
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      By: Schpock (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:07:48 on Apr 02, 2006

      yes, Shatner also did the TekWar series, although it has been debated as to how much actual writing he did on them. But there are other examples, many of which I'm not familiar with.
      
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By: ludwig (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:40:46 on Apr 02, 2006

I see the point on both sides and ultimately don't really care...you know if they greenlit another Star Trek, said, here's your multi-million dollar check, he'd do it and we'd all get what we want.

I AM sick of hypocrisy though. I watched one of his interviews on X-Men special features and he talked about his great honor and the once in a million odds of having two collosal characters to overshadow his career. So was he appreciative of this and the fact that he's made so much money and had a pretty amazing career? Or is annoyed for being recognized as the one role that made him famous? It's stupid and I'm sick of actor's groveling over type-casting. It's really selfish. They have lived a life and career that most people dream about.

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By: Tupperfan (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:59:59 on Apr 02, 2006

He's not saying anything bad, he's not spitting on Trek at all, he's just annoyed that people identify him only to his Star Trek role.

You shouldn't forget that we,as trek fans, are biased...Of course we see his Star Trek achievements first. Of course, Star Trek gave him fame and it's normal that people refer to him as "Jean-Luc Picard". But to Patrick Stewart, the person, the actor, it's upsetting to not be recognized for the other stuff you did, and it which you put as much heart and effort.

So it's not at all about bashing Trek(far from that, he explicitly says he's proud of TNG and what they did), it's about somebody's work being recognized as a whole. We all have an ego...

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  By: Cymro (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:52:27 on Apr 02, 2006

  Amen.
  
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  By: Dukat (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 19:29:14 on Apr 02, 2006

  Yeah-- but it still comes out as negative toward Trek. He is trying to have it both ways- take the money and the fame (and all the work) that comes from Trek, but then say I am not Jean Luc Picard.
  
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  I have no sympathy for any of these actors, they have made a lot of money from us (just from me!)-- and with the exception of the TOS actors, nobody did it with blinders on.
  
  Stewart took the role because he did not find money or fame in his acting before and wanted a steady income-- he took the job at the height of TOS popularity- right during ST4. You cannot go and take Trek roles and say "I don't want to be stereotyped or for this to become my legacy" when at the time that is all Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelley (and the other 4) had. The original trio were much more accomplished prior to TOS than any of the actors in any of the series since, and practically had the plague afterwards. It was not until Nimoy directed ST3 that he had a second career- and Shatner finally started to get more work with TJ Hooker.
  
  There is a denial of how out of touch the entertainment community is-- but come on- anybody taking a role in Trek that wasn't aware of the previous impact- well that is just plain stupid, not just out of touch.
  
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    By: Cymro (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:52:13 on Apr 02, 2006

    Actually, Stewart was convinced TNG would fail when he took the part. He didn't unpack his suitcases for the first few months he was in LA because he thought he'd be going home pretty soon.
    
    He wasn't bitching about Star Trek, he just doesn't like people treating him like it's the only thing he's done.
    
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By: Dukat (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 18:45:16 on Apr 02, 2006

It also really bothers him to have to deal with all the cash from Star Trek as well as the cash from X-Men. Who thinks Bryan Singer would ever be thinking of Patrick Stewart if Stewart wasn't Picard? It isn't like we don't know that Singer is a huge Trek fan or anything.

Anyone else fine it interesting that Stewart has lately been talking about the new Trek possibilities as well as hoping for X-Men 4. Probably a little annoyed to be Xavier, except that is just a different leader character in a different chair (same accent by the way-- how French was Picard anyway).

I guess not too annoyed by either character to take another 5-10 million. Glad he has standards.

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  By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 04:06:52 on Apr 03, 2006

  If it wasn't for Star Trek, the world would simply be saying, "who's Patrick Stewart?"

  
  

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    To which the British would respond "A British actor who does a lot of TV and theatre work".
    
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By: Dingo's Kidneys (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:42:50 on Apr 02, 2006

This is so typical of everyone who ever got a break on Star Trek. Terri Garr, Joan Collins and Marriette Hartley never cited TOS on their resumes. TWOK began with "Introducing Kirstie Alley" and she shrugged off Trek once she became a big star. We all know how the careers of Denise Crosby and Terry Farrell took off after Trek!

What's wrong with the arrogant ingrates that bite the hands that feed them? What's wrong with being associated with entertaining television that presents a hopeful vision of the future? What pompous jerks!

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  Crosby wasn't somehow ashamed of Trek or enthusiastic to move on to the stardom that was just around the corner. She wasn't getting anything to do and near the end of season 1 she asked Gene if she was ever going to be more than a bit player...the "Hailing frequencies open." girl.
  
  Roddenberry told her, in no uncertain terms, No. Yar and Worf were only ever going to be window dressing characters. Being an ACTress...wanting to act... wanting to do more than say five lines an episode (maybe) and making the console go "boop" she left.
  
  To this day she says that if she had known Gene would have been going to the background into the second season on she never would have left, as the process started then to flesh out some of the "background people" Look how many Worf stories appeared over the shows run. Yar could have expected some of that as well. But what happened happened.
  
  Now, I could possibly be wrong, but I don't think she's ever said a bad word about her time there, or the fans, or how she's "annoyed" at that recognition.
  
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  Have you seen their resumes? I imagine it would have had to appear on Garr's way back when since it marked her first television work. Is your problem that they don't talk about it NOW every chance they get? A guest player in one episode of a television show decades ago when they each have decades of higher profile work since??? Come on.
  
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    By: Cymro (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:05:01 on Apr 02, 2006

    Reminds me of that thread where that guy was complaining because the Academy chose to regognise Brock Peters' work on "To Kill A Mockingbird" rather than his small parts in two Trek films...
    
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      By: prometheus 59650 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 23:15:04 on Apr 02, 2006

      A role in a watershed film...arguably a Hollywood masterpice when compared to an essentially bit part in two Trek films
      
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By: Meglo (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:39:05 on Apr 02, 2006

He'll probably get a little grumpier over the next few years. Maybe he'll mellow out after that like Shatner.

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By: Schpock (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:35:06 on Apr 02, 2006 | (1)

Star Trek put Patrick Stewart on the map. By joining something that has a fervent fanbase, he had to know what he was potentially in for. Did anyone even know who Patrick Stewart was before TNG? I didn't. I suppose he'll become annoyed with his association with the X-Men franchise sooner or later too.

If he wants to be regarded as a "serious" actor, he can always go back to doing Shakespeare in some dodgy theater.

Patrick Stewart can change his name to Patrick Stuart (ala King James I) and do a re-enactment of MacBeth in Hampton Court with Stewart/Stuart playing the role of Banquo.

But seriously folks, Patrick Stewart has little to complain about. The entertainment landscape provides many good points as well as bad ones. He should count his blessings.

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  By: Cymro (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:05:21 on Apr 02, 2006

  It's pretty understandable, IMO.
  
  Did you read the rest of the interview?
  
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    By: Schpock (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:12:36 on Apr 02, 2006

    No. I cannot read or write.
    
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      By: Cymro (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:48:56 on Apr 02, 2006

      Then you would have read the part about how his new show automatically gets categorised by the press as being Sci-Fi because his name's attatched to it.
      
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        By: Schpock (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:26:31 on Apr 02, 2006

        Typecasting has been his freind. In examining the Hollywood game and all that it entails, he must give interviews like this from time to time. It was one of the Gabor sisters who said, "I don't care what you say about me as long as you spell my name right." How Ironic it is that I forgot WHICH of the Gabor sisters said that...LOL.
        
        I'm not slagging Stewart, I was merely making correlations between acting, his Shakespearean background, his name being Stewart and comparing that to the Stuart family which King James I belonged to, and the bad luck that has plagued stage productions of MacBeth since it was first penned by William Shakespeare.
        
        But I can understand his general sentiment on the phenomenon. Bob Denver who played Gilligan on a sit-com called Gilligan's Island never really got work after Gilligan's Island went off the air. I suspect that Stewart has a very good publicity agent, and I don't believe that his statements in that interview weren't calculated. The idea is to create a news item that will get picked up by entities like TrekWeb and Trek Today and all the others. He did exactly what I'd expect him to do.
        
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By: Cymro (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:33:30 on Apr 02, 2006

...Who works on a pop culture phenomenon.

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