An interesting propsition means they are throwing a lot of money at Stewart.
Well then, just enjoy whatever TREK you like, TOS, TNG, DS9, VOYAGER or ENTERPRISE because it will never get any better than that.
Yup, those WERE the voyages....
No one will go see Kirk on screen. Only the die hard fans would......just like they raised millions of dollars for Enterprise, which was a really stupid idea.Donate money to help feed people, not to save a show that no one watches. Only a TNG movie would attract a wide base of viewers. Where did all the Trek watchers go when DS9 came on the air, where did they go when Voyager came on the air, where did they go when Enterprise came on the air? A lot of you guys think that anything that has the name Star Trek too it qualifys it as gold. You might want Kirk back but the majority of the Trek watchers do not. Whats best for Trek is not what you want, but what will attract the widest and biggest audience. We know now that pre-quels do not work. Recasting kirk and crew would be a failure as well.
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I agree - not that many might go to see Kirk. Even though I'm a huge fan of TOS, it's time to realize that it was a special show for its time and move on. Star Trek VI was a wonderful farewell (the less said about Generations, the better- but that was Shatner's choice,and everyone has to live with it).
What is even more true is that hardly anyone will waste their time on a TNG movie. They have not fared well on the big screen as anyone with common sense and the ability to do arithmetic can tell. So if you think the get-Kirk-back group does'nt get it because they are deluded, then you are even more sadly deluded to think a TNG movie would succeed.
TNG characters have no broad based appeal despite all their technical gimmicks and moral superiority. They are too perfect and thus totally boring. No one but the diehard TNG fans really care about these characters, and they are not really faring well in reruns or on DVD's. All of that adds up to no long lasting appeal or demand for these folks.
The original characters were flawed and colorful. And people could identify with them.
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--No one will go see Kirk on screen. Only the die hard fans would [...] You might want Kirk back but the majority of the Trek watchers do not.--
And you're basing that on WHAT? Goofball message boards or chatrooms? When even minor RUMORS of Kirk coming back happen, it becomes MAJOR news in mainstream media. By contrast: This Stewart quote probably isn't going to show up on Good Morning America, CNN, or Entertainment Tonight.
--Only a TNG movie would attract a wide base of viewers.--
Like they did with Nemesis and Insurrection?
Hi, this is my first post and I thought I would add my two credits in how to breathe life back to Trek.
First, we all eventually have to come to the realization that Shatner and Stewert are getting/are old and easily within the next 10 or more years these guys we love will not be able to do much more than enjoy the rest of their lifes and pass on commitment.
I personally think Trek needs to go back to basics and simply film another "classic episode" only with new actors portraying the classic crew of Kirk and Company.
At one time this senario was considered blasphame, but after seeing other actor's re-create familar roles sussessfully throughout the past several years, maybe, just maybe, our favorite characters could breathe again.
But it would have to be done by someone who doesnt mind re-creating someone one else's work, rather than someone who wishs to do their own "version".
The lead actor would need not to study Shakespeare for acting the part of Captain James T. Kirk, but study Shatner.
And the same for all the other actor's characters.
We would need to hear the bold classic music, not the mostly lame elevator movie music.
We would need to see the simple classic NBC sets, rather than techno-style sets of the movies.
And finally, all the famous fly-by shots of the Enterprise recaptured with digital photography using the orginal ship from the Smithsonion.
Not computer generated.
And no more starship dog fight scenes, that's Star Wars, not Star Trek.
We need STAR TREK re-created, not re-invisioned.
We need STAR TREK RETURNS, not STAR TREK REDONE.
A film version of "Naked Time" and "Tommorow is Yesterday" combined like the original producers wanted would be a nice familar foot in the door to get back what we lost.
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It puzzles me why some people think going back to the original sets and costumes is a good idea, aside from a sense of nostalgia by die-hard fans. I love TOS too, and its look is iconic, but the truth is its production values clearly dates it as a product of the Sixties. If the goal is to make Star Trek popular with the masses again, not just the people who stuck around through "Enterprise," then re-creating TOS down to the relay-clacking computers is a move in exactly the wrong direction for a new series. Young people will just laugh, and older people will say, "Hey, I saw all this the first time, when it was original." Why should a new series shoot itself in the foot like that from the get-go?
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I would never want to see a faithful re-creation of the TOS sets and all, but I would like to see a re-interpretation. Season 4 of ENT came pretty close.
Believe me, it can be done and done well. The look of TOS is iconic, but it is also outdated. All they need to do is provide some detail where the TOS sets and stuff were kind of bland, like the consoles. The viewscreens above the stations on the bridge were so obviously stills, but today they can be animated, and we saw a good attempt at that idea on IAMD on ENT.
It's all about adjusting and fine tuning some details.
But of course, a good story is much more important.
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Nobody outside the people on this board want to see a film with a new cast or a film version of Ds9,Voy or Ent. A prequel film w/out Kirk and Picard would not make $40 million at the box office.
The only way the public stands up and takes notice of ST 11 is if Shatner and Stewart are attached to it. It's as simple as that. Look at the traffic this board and others get when Kirk and Picards return (seems to happen once a week) is brought up. The return of Kirk,Picard and Spock is the only way a new ST film makes a dent at the box office.
Kirk,Picard and Spock are the only thing that gets people's attention. Nobody but die hard ST fans care about anything else. That's not to say they can't introduce a new cast in this film. Infact it would be a smart thing to do. What better way to introduce a new cast than to stand side by side with ST's greatest legends? The new cast would have instant credibility.
Kirk and Picard are going to return in some form or another. Why not get it done now?
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You are correct. Much like Generations however, the next film should be a "passing of the torch" kind of deal. Kirk is far too old (and out of shape) to carry the franchise, and Picard is also getting on in age to be a credible main star. However, put the two of them in a film, and surround them with a new crew, with a mix of a few of the others (like Crusher, LaForge, Worf), and you'll have something that will get mainstream attention and still be able to lay the groundwork for a new film franchise to emerge.
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I agree with everything you said. Clearly they are not the future of the franchise. But their return would guarantee that Star Trek 11 would be a major event. Unlike the last couple of films and tv series. Kirk and Picard are Star Trek to most people.
The general public simply does not care about any other version of Star Trek. The new cast should be introduced by Kirk and Picard. That will afford the new cast a certain level of credibility that has been lacking from ST for years.
Kirk,Spock and Picard (to a lesser degree) are cultural icons who should be used to save the franchise.
The public wants the real thing. Not another copy of a copy of a copy.
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Agree. I am not an industry expert, but I think a big screen adaptation of the Shatner/Reeves-Stevens THE RETURN, featuring Kirk and Spock together again, plus Picard and his crew together one last time, fighting the Borg and the Romulans, would be a huge sucess at the box office, and maybe the best Trek movie since The Undiscovered Country. I would LOVE to see Shatner, Nimoy and Stewart together on the big screen !
As I said before, in my opinion THE RETURN is one of the best Trek books ever, and it could be turned into one of the bext Trek movies ever.
Who knows what the future holds for the franchise ?
Peharps we will see another TNG movie in 2007.
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In a related story former Presidents Ford and Carter are coming back to help out the White House.
When is the franchise going to forget about these two old 'hamosaurouses'? They are both real good at chewing scenery, and I like their acting, but come on.
Time to move on...
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Is this a hint that it is Shatner that has something to do with this?
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People on this thread should not be concerned with the age of these two great thespians. Look at Christopher Lee. He was the only one who had any charisma in those Star Wars movies and the guy was 80. Trek is in serious trouble, with or without this movie being made. The strength and longevity of Trek has always been in their series-based shows, not in the movies. True, this movie could be a launching pad for a new series or something completely separate from the series. And people are correct, the TOS movies were successful because of the character-driven plots. TNG has not made a character driven movie yet. I guess you could say Insurrection was the closest, but the story was just so terrible. I used to think I had the answers to what was ailing the Trek Franchise, but now I'm not so sure.
If there is a new Trek film in 4 years, think about this. Stewart will be 70 years old & Shatner will be 79 years old. I sure wouldn't expect much action from either of them. Although I love both TOS & TNG, I think it's time for a new generation to man the Enterprise.
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Having seen Patrick Stewart bounding around the West End stage last week in his one man "A Christmas Carol", he has more energy than most men half his age! I wouldn't rule him out of action scenes, even when he hits 70!
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Captain Picard meet Captain Reynolds.
One of you is going to die today.
Muh ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Ya know, I'm almost messed up enough to be a Fox TV Programming Executive.
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I've read rumors that Bryan Singer is interested in doing a Trek film and I've seen Nicholas Meyer's name attached to the next one as well.
Singer is probably going to be tied up with Logan's Run for a couple of years and he may have another project in the pipe that would tie him up for the four years. If so, then what Stewart says makes complete sense.
I think 4 years MAY be a little too far away for Patrick Stewart to do anything but talky or bridge oriented scenes.
I don't know if any of these rumors are true, but if these guys actually work on the next one and got Patrick Stewart and Shatner back there is still hope for a great Trek film.
I have complete faith in Bryan Singer to pull it off...and we all know Nicholas Meyer's track record. If he's aboard, then you know the story and script will be great. That guy doesn't settle for less than excellent.
It CAN be done and done well depending on the quality of people behind the scenes.
It goes without saying Rick Berman's name should not be anywhere in the credits! I seem to have read something somewhere that Nick Meyer said he'd never work for Berman...some kind of issues there. Not sure. Maybe all parties concerned are also waiting for Berman's contract/Trek strings to Paramount to be severed as well.
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Then maybe Picard in the movies, will finally be the same character as Picard in the series! This is good news.
And if the movie is still 4 years into the future, maybe it won't be based on Jendresen's gritty story about, whatever. The one that is supposed to finally break out of Star Trek's "anti-septic" worldview. Whatever that means. As I recall he said something about the lack of blood splattering in traditional Star Trek?
Well at least, we will have peace for a while. Hopefully there is no movie around the corner! Thank you. And for the record I'd rather see them experimenting on a smaller scale, with a miniseries.
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Just because Paramount wants more Star Trek doesn't mean that the audience does. The TNG cast is a complete failure in the movies. The only real success was FC, and that wasn't even THAT much of a success compared to the TOS films, when factoring in inflation and budget. But take away the Borg, which was a gimmick that can't work again, and you have a cast that can't sustain an audience.
One of the many reasons the TOS films worked was because the TV show was cut short by an idiot at the network who made the single dumbest mistake in TV history. The show actually thrived in syndication for years. People wanted more. So when the movies came out, they worked. From a script standpoint, I thought TMP was boring. Great to see the characters, but the movie wasn't right. But holy cow was it a success--which gave them the second chance to get it right, and they did.
TNG had over 170 episodes, and a finale. It had its run, and combine that with the horrible scripts and Berman's incompetence, and you have a dead franchise.
TOS worked because there was a real demand. There is no such demand with TNG. They can wait 10 years and it won't matter.
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I agree with you, the TNG cast did fail but it was more about shitty movie quality than a lack of fan demand. By now many fans-like me-simply have no faith that a good TNG movie can be made; at least with the odd numbered TOS films I was able to enjoy them. Were they great films? No, but TMP and III were good films and V was good for a few laughs.
But a 1-3 record for TNG means I won't be wasting my money in the theatre or video store for another TNG flick, no matter who is in it, who writes it, who directs or produces it. I've been stung one time too many.
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Voldermort is right in saying that there should be some new characters. It has been 15 odd years since the Enterprise D/E crew first got together, it's not reality in saying that they will be together forever. In Nemesis we see Riker and Troi leaving the Enterprise-E to head the Titan. Maybe in the next movie we will see Geordi LaForge captaining the USS Challenger (VOY: Timeless), Riker and Troi onboard the Titan (Nemesis), Worf serving as the Federation ambassodor to Qo'noS (DS9: WYLB), Beverley at Starfleet Medical, and several advances in technology made as a result of the return of Voyager and 7of9's technological know how.
Having a movie featuring Kirk from an alternate universe and Jean Luc with the Enterprise-E crew would be the most appropriate way to some how incorporate all of the tv shows.
Just think... how about if the movie had Kirk from the mirror universe joining forces with a mixed lot of baddies launching a battle to destroy the Federation. Picard and the E-E could be called in to help negotiate the situation. Here we could be introduced to Picard's new first officer. Since Beverley Crushers departure maybe the Doctor could be the new chief doctor of the Enterprise and Wesley could be the Conn Officer
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Yes, what 'Trek needs is an eighty year old William Shatner duking it out with a seventy year old Patrick Stewart. Wonderful.
No more mirror universe shit. DS9 pissed all over the concept and I don't need to see some convoluted explanation as to how a 23rd century mirror universe Kirk fights a 24th century Picard.
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Dude, that sucks! Why are you so interested in perpetuating crap? Does ANYBODY remember what Star Trek was best at? (crickets chirping...)
We need NEW Trek, not recycled Trek.
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to BRING BACK KIRK!!! Stewart can have a guest role if he feels he's not in enough shape to be in the center chair anymore, but let's bring back the man! One more failure of a TNG movie is not going to revive Trek!
This seems to add more fuel to the fire regarding the rumor only a couple of weeks back that there was movement on ST 11 that would feature Kirk and Picard.
Is it simply coincedence that Patrick Stewart goes public only weeks after that rumor was floted out there?
From Patrick Stewart's statement we can infer that the prequel idea is dead.
There is a lot riding on this next Star Trek film. I think it is reasonable to assume that tptb want to invole their most popular characters in order to save the franchise.
I for one think there is some truth to the Picard/TNG crew vs Mirror Kirk rumor. It would be the biggest Trek yet.
Why wait three or four years?
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You can figure maybe this has something to do with Stewarts relationship with Brian Singer and his stated desire to do something with Trek. After Superman i guess he's got Logans Run (although i thought The Island wa a pretty good 'update on that).
So, doing Loagans Run then development and production time for a new Trek film, that would be about 4 years.
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In addition to any Picard / TNG vs. Mirror Kirk or whatever - gotta have Q in the mix!
In the end, I can see it taking two years, cause they don't seem to have a script, they don't have a production staff (I'm assuming Berman would NOT be involved). You want a good strong script. Give yourself a good five to six months to even a year to turn out a good script. Plus it seems they are still talking about what direction to go in, so with that and the script stuff, I don't think you'll have a settled on idea green lighted for at least a year, say late fall 2006?
Then you need time to prep for production, then you shoot the movie, then with a Trek movie you have FX so need another few months for editing and doing the FX. So at the earliest you could see it hit theatres fall 2007. But marketing wise, the last few Treks have not done well in late fall.
Spring or early fall may be a better time to release a new Trek.
I don't mind waiting two or three years. Just as long as the quality is there, and the story is well thought out and respectful of what has been done and respects the characters and the legacy of Rodenberry.
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All that talk a couple weeks back got me hoping to see Kirk in ST 11.
I mean they already killed Kirk anbd then Data so it is only logical that they go and put Picard in the grave.
I want a new good TNG film as much as the next guy, but I am extremely skeptical that anyone can pull it off.
TOS = six movies
TNG needs six movies and move on down the line through there. But I doubt we'll ever see a DS9 movie...wishful thinking...
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Did you think nobody would notice you posting in the talkback? You got a lot of fucking nerve.
Asshole.
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I'm a compulsive liar. I admit that. Why? I don't know? May warrent for attention? Maybe a lack of self-esteem. Regardless, I'm getting myself professional help. One to many straw houses.
With that, it takes alot for anyone to admit that they have a problem Ro.
Why did I do it? I dunno! Why do I haunt myself on Trekweb with that? Hoping it goes away isn't the answer!
I'm being a coward...yes...but..I admit I have a problem...something I'm getting corrected. I won't let 2006 end like 2005 did.
I want to be a different person than I was...
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Tim McGraw "My Old Friend"
Dedicated To My Home..New Orleans
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More Lies? I'm a forgiver, but I'm also a skeptic. Given the breadth of your questionable behavior, your unbelievably bigoted statements about gay people, your lack of respect for people you've never met, your twisting of Star Trek and religion to fit your negative views, not to mention the monumental hoax you perpetrated on your fellow fans, it may take more than 2006 for you to make that kind of a "change".
I hope you try, though.
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whoa! I know you're not super best friends with EntFan, but what's this all about? I'm not criticizing, I'm just a gossip ho.
Beautiful sig quote, btw.
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me too, I've missed out on this gossip juicy stuff. Maybe it's because although I visit this site often, I never venture into the firecaves, where talk can get heated from what I've heard... if anyone wants to shed some light on this, like Sub-Commander Lemmiwinks, I'd be curious to know wazup.
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TOS also = less than 80 episodes.
Perhaps some things best be left unequal.
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The big difference between TOS and TNG is that TOS movies were actually successful. TNG didn't warrant 4 movies, let alone 6. The demand isn't there. The first four TOS movies grossed in the top 10 in the year of release. No TNG movie ever did that.
There is absolutely no major demand for TNG. Just like there was no significant demand for ENT.
I think that of all the actors associated with Star Trek, Patrick Stewart would be the best choice to star in another movie, even if the rest of the cast consists of new characters. Bringing back everyone else from TNG would be a mistake in my eyes. There just aren't really anymore stories left for them up on the big screen.
I sense that Paramount wants to shake things up, but not stray too far from what has already been established. I'm also assuming that the Erik Jendressen prequel script has now fallen by the wayside. Unless, of course, we get another movie dealing with time travel (groan).
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A working script to involve both captains and as many of the popular cast as possible would be to have a parallel story that takes place in two diffrent times (flashbacks, etc) or the movie ties several time periods to one story. The TOS and TNG Cast/Crew has to come to an end (most really already has. Perhaps it could be a movie to sum-up several Star Trek Parallels to our current days (how that level of society was reached, etc.)
Something that ties all the shows together for a keystone story.
Time travel and alternate universes have been exhausted I think. And it would take something really profound to get enough people excited about another ST movie.
Just my thoughts.
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Voldermort is right in saying that there should be some new characters. It has been 15 odd years since the Enterprise D/E crew first got together, it's not reality in saying that they will be together forever. In Nemesis we see Riker and Troi leaving the Enterprise-E to head the Titan. Maybe in the next movie we will see Geordi LaForge captaining the USS Challenger (VOY: Timeless), Riker and Troi onboard the Titan (Nemesis), Worf serving as the Federation ambassodor to Qo'noS (DS9: WYLB), Beverley at Starfleet Medical, and several advances in technology made as a result of the return of Voyager and 7of9's technological know how.
Having a movie featuring Kirk from an alternate universe and Jean Luc with the Enterprise-E crew would be the most appropriate way to some how incorporate all of the tv shows.
Just think... how about if the movie had Kirk from the mirror universe joining forces with a mixed lot of baddies launching a battle to destroy the Federation. Picard and the E-E could be called in to help negotiate the situation. Here we could be introduced to Picard's new first officer. Since Beverley Crushers departure maybe the Doctor could be the new chief doctor of the Enterprise and Wesley could be the Conn Officer
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"What does "there just aren't any more stories for them on the big screen?" I don't even understand what that means. There are ALWAYS engaging stories to be written about characters. And a wonderful story could be created regarding Picard. One that would address his aging. And a gathering of TNG characters could be achieved. Riker as Captain of the Titan. With Tuvok. Le Forge as Captain. Maybe Picard finally allows himself to be promoted. Whatever. There are literally as many stories to write about these characters as there are talented writers. The real trick is to get TPTB to green light a good movie, and not some sappy concept like Insurrection. Let us Pray.
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