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First off, all of us are reacting to a very short and factually anemic story. It's all essentially a 'word of mouth' report, as the actual SFX article states that they did not record Stewart's comments, so it is entirely possible that they either missed something or misunderstood what he said. Also, Stewart's statement "he revealed there've been lots of serious meetings lately about a new film, and there are money men who want it to happen" is entirely subjective. "...lots of serious meetings"... with whom? Paramount? SaveEnterprise? "...there are money men who want it to happen" could be anybody. Lastly, these are the words from an actor, not a studio rep.
Please understand that in no way, shape, or form do I disbelieve or distrust Stewart, nor do I question his character or integrity. I just can't get my hopes up over a very thin report.
All that said, the fact that he did come out and make these statements does bode well for Trek. We just have to -here it comes- wait and see what happens.
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I would LOVE to see another TNG movie. I really would. I don't think they could do much worse and with the right story I think it would work.
I think bringing back Kirk would be fine and then sending off Riker in the Titan to start a new series. I think THAT would be awesome!
TNG forever!
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I know it's beating a dead horse, but the only way I can see a new Trek film garnering any mainstream interest while lining up all of us Trek fans (and former Trek fans who have essentially given up) is to bring back Kirk. And I mean really bring him back. Have Picard and Spock rescue him from the Nexus. Have the grand adventure they should have had in Generations. They'll also have to bring back Nick Meyer as writer and director. Maybe even ol' Ron Moore woulod be interested in salvaging the legend. Yeah, it's contrived and we've been there, done that with Trek III, but to my mind, as a Trak fan and an enthusiastic movie-goer, that scenario is the only way at this point to reinvigorate interest in the franchise. Bringing an entirely new cast and crew to the screen? I just can't see it working, even with the name Star Trek attached. That's no guarantee (see fate of Enterprise and Nemesis).
Story-wise, just stay away from baddie of the week. All of the TNG movies had some previously unseen evil overlord laughing maniacally and ruining everyone's day. It's like the writer's used Khan as the archetypical Trek villain and went hell bent for leather trying to copy that dynamic. No, we need something bigger, grander, more important. SOmething involving Q? We like Q, even if Voyager effectively neutered him. We like Romulans, even though Nemesis neutered them, too. We're a bit tired of Klingons and alien marauders from other quadrants. The new film must be instantly familiar. It must reside in the Trek universe. It's a 2 hour film, not a 24 hour long series. We don't have time to efefctively establish new characters or overarching themes. I mean, sure, eevry other (good) film can do this, but this film can't just be something that causes audience members to say to themselves as they walk out, "That was pretty good." It has to make them say out loud, "Star Trek is back."
this movie was a stepping stone for a new TV series with Captain Riker and the Titan crew?
The only way a new movie with *elements* of TNG or Classic Trek is going to work is if its a war film a la MIDWAY or THE LONGEST DAY with Picard in the role of an Admiral (the Henry Fonda role) not in a starship but in a room somewhere looking at intergalactic maps and making decisions. You could then have a fleet of ships with different TNG actors on them.
This would be a crossover film that spans several centuries a la GODFATHER II and tie it to the War motif, this way you could include cameos by many regular Star Trek actors (Kirk, Sisko etc).
You could have a Captain Kirk section and a Captain Picard section and go back and forth between both timelines.
Hollywood road show war films (LONGEST DAY, BRIDGE TOO FAR, etc) had dozens of characters running around doing their own thing personified by major stars. Some had major roles (John Wayne, Charlton Heston) and some had minor roles (James Coburn, Robert Wagner) but all brought star quality to the roles.
We've had murder-mystery/political (ST6), straight action/drama (ST II and III), comedy/adventure (ST IV) and horror/sci-fi (FIRST CONTACT).
We've never really had a STAR TREK war film.It would be an ensemble piece - neither Picard nor Kirk would be the main star.That way you could also throw in a new cast (or group of cadets) into the mix.
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I wouldn't mind seeing a TNG or Titan movie, but I'm hoping they can spin it off into a new series.
I'd like it if they did a TNG-era movie that takes place at the END of a war---maybe the second Romulan War---as result of a destabilazation post-Shinzon. Give the Remans the exploration they deserve, and maybe put one in the cast (a la the Red King). The crew heroically ends the war, and a new cast of characters is taken from that movie to spin off into a new show. I think the movie needs to push into a new series, and I'd like to move FORWARD, not backward. No more prequels.
I think the person who posted about Picard as sort of an Admiral directing the war was a good idea. Tuvok is a good tie-in, too. You could even pull Sisko back to Earth like he was when he worked for Admiral Leyton with a simple throwaway line like, "Did those three years you spent with those wormhole aliens that can see into the future tell you if this [plan they just discussed] in gonna work?" Sisko: "Not exactly." This clarifies he's been home for a while without having to really put his return on-screen.
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Terry, aren't you sick of the TNG crew already? It was a great era for Star Trek, but if it's the TNG crew for Star Trek SI, it's going to have the Berman effect whether or not Berman is present.
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No, I'm not "sick" of TNG. I thought Nemesis, Insurrection, and Generations had serious flaws. I miss the TNG crew like they're old friends and I wonder how they are doing. I wouldn't mind Captain Sisko, and Admirals Picard and Janeway orchestrating a defense/counteroffense to a second Romulan war.
That's not the main issue, however. You must note that I did say the next movie should introduce a new cast. Now, if they spun one or two existing characters off INTO that show, I wouldn't mind (if the characters were lesser used ones).
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I think there would have to be somebody recognizable present in any new production. It's like a passing of the torch. Like the way in which TNG passed the torch to DS9 that way.
But the whole crew in another Enterprise mission? They went to far on that particular angle with the TOS crew. There are better solutions available to those who bother to think them up.
As for who the torch bearers should be, I submit the following list, and the reasons why or why not:
Riker- Saw him in TATV, no need for further gratuitous appearances by the likes of him.
Troi- Same as Riker above.
Worf- Possibly, he did that for DS9... but reluctantly no.
O'Brien- Same as above.
Data- Perhaps a clone of Soong, but not really.
Beverly Crusher- I can't think of a good reason for it.
Dr. Pulaski- The actress appeared on TOS. Now that would be some carry over, if Diana Muldaur is still living
Wesley Crusher- Somehow I don't know how well that would go over. Even if it were good, the fans wouldn't give it a chance because people seem to assume that Will Wheaton actually wrote his own dialog for the show.
Picard- I can't even imagine that he'd want to do it again, unless the money is right.
Geordi LaForge- would probably be the best person to do it. As long as the writers keep the technobabble to a minimum.
Did I forget anyone?
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I wouldn't mind seeing another movie with Picard, but I think any attempt to reunite the TNG crew will be lame and contrived. I think if Picard is in the movie it should deal with the end of his career as a starship captain.
I think they should wait a while, two or three years maybe, until they are ready to do another series. Then maybe think about debuting the new TV cast in a movie, and continuing in the series a few months later. Berman said they might consider a movie with a new cast, so why not?
But enough with the TNG crew. And I seriously hope they don't try to bring back Brent Spiner as B4. That would be lame in the extreme.
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Start with a new team on this one, please.
Shatner and Stewart did have an excellent on screen chemistry. If Kirk is to be resurrected, he will need a familiar face to bounce off of (Nimoy says he's hung up the ears for good, Kelley and Doohan are no more, Takei doesn't like the guy, and no one really cared about Chapel, Chekov, or Rand. Tho an elderly Uhura might liven things up...).
However, Stewart has proven he doesn't need Trek in order to stay in the public eye. Has anyone considered the possibility that he may only be agreeing to appear in the next film if Picard dies a heroic death?
Or perhaps his function in the next film will be to pass the baton on to generation three?
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Has anyone considered the possibility that he may only be agreeing to appear in the next film if Picard dies a heroic death?
I don't know: Has Patrick Stewart ever asked to have Picard killed off? I mean we all know the stories about Spiner and his getting too old to play Data. But Patrick Stewart?
I mean it's true: Stewart has a solid career outside Star Trek now, so he probably doesn't need to reprise the role. But does anybody know if he wants Picard dead to really end his connection with TREK?
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Although it's rumour at this point, word is that X-Men 3 is a baton passing of sorts, with Magneto and Professor Xavier meeting their deaths. If that's true, I can't see Stewart considering ending his ties with his only other huge cash cow, aka Star Trek. Perhaps that's the reason for his new-found interest in reprising the Picard character. Whatever the reason, it's a good thing.
I don't want anyone thinking from my earlier post that I'm against the idea of Picard and the rest of the TNG crew returning in a new movie. They're the future of the movie franchise, as far as I can see, at least for the near future. I just hope that whatever happens in the new movie results in the return of Kirk, even if he only makes an appearance in the final five or ten minutes, ala Darth Vader in Episode III. I love the TNG crew and seeing them in a movie produced by a non-Berman which also results in Kirk returning would be a dream come true. That would go a long way toward restoring my faith in the future of Star Trek and hopefully for many other alienated fans as well.
It's interesting to note (for us who hate Ricky "we're very pleased" Berman) that Patrick Stewart would not be available for 16 months... which puts filming of this possible film around March 2007 at the earliest. Berman's contract expires at the end of 2006, so it sounds like if there is a Star Trek XI in the works, it'll be without Berman (unless Paramount does something stupid like extending his contract) and will possibly have TNG crew. I really hope it is TNG without Berman's fingerprints all over it.
Now that I've thought about it, a huge big budget film, with TNG crew being pushed to their limits in an exciting and dramatic fashion might be exactly what Star Trek as a franchise needs. I don't mean some big space war movie, but a really epic scope kind of story, with huge dramatic implications for the various characters. TNG crew is an established crew, both in TV and movies. They could generate the kind of interest Star Trek needs, and with someone new behind the scenes, it might actually be a good film.
Guess we'll just continue to wait and see.
The fans don't want a prequel movie. We don't want a VOY movie. We don't want an ENT movie. We don't want a movie that has Berman's hands on it in any way.
We want a TNG movie, plain and simple. In many people's minds, FIRST CONTACT is second only to TWOK. Let's have another film in that vein, but get a director who knows Trek.
Thank god for this news today. TNG can't end with NEM ... it just can't. It is a dismal way for the TNG to end. Give us another TNG film paramount!
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I dont know what fans you are talking about but I certainly dont want to see any more TNG movies after the abortions they have produced.
What logic is there in assuming they will improve? There's nothing left for that crew to say. Needless to say a VOY movie and an ENT movie are even worse ideas.
Much as I liked DS9 (I think it's the best Trek slightly edging out my sentimental favorite TOS), I dont think a DS9 movie would sell either.
Prequel movie? Nooooo.
The franchise needs to grow some cojones and take a chance. Move 1000 years into the future and turn the Federation into something unrecognizable. Not a cartoon universe like Mirror, Mirror became but a real one where the Federation does more harm than good in the name of holy principles (sort of like our current President).
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I'm very encouraged to read the latest news about Patrick Stewart's comments regarding a new Trek movie. Here's hoping that the "money men" have their way in this regard.
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I think everyone would agree that Patrick Stewart was the lifeblood of the TNG cast. If anyone from Star Trek's past should be in the next movie, it's him. I do think it would be a mistake to bring back anyone else from that series though. My spider sense tells me that the general public isn't interested in another movie with the entire TNG cast. Heck, I don't think they are interested in any sort of Star Trek movie right now. Even if it doesn't come out for another couple of years, I'm afraid that Paramount might be shooting itself in the foot with this. It pains me to say it, but the franchise should take a break for at least 5 years, if not 10, and come back fresh with some new blood behind the scenes and all-new characters.
For me, Star Trek jumped the shark as soon as Berman/Braga took over both the movie and television aspects of the franchise. TNG had just ended, the original crew and movie producers had been shunted aside, and all we had left was Berman-Trek. The only reason DS9 was still quality was because it managed to fly under Berman's radar. What was the first thing Berman/Braga did when they took over? They killed off an icon, Jim Kirk, who for many people personified Star Trek. Not only killed him off, but in the most utterly pointless, demeaning way possible, other than having him slip and hit his head in the bathtub. At that moment, Star Trek as it was ended for me. Apparently it ended for many other people around the same time. There's only one Star Trek movie that I'm interested in seeing, and that's bringing back Jim Kirk and correcting/apologizing for the huge kick in the face that was his death in Generations. Want to get back the good will of many former Star Trek fans Paramount? Admit you blew it and get Shatner for the next movie. By the way, this is my first post. Hello :)
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If this movie has Berman involved, I won't be seeing it. It will suck. The only POSSIBLE exception to that would be involving the return of Kirk. Otherwise, not interested.
There is no TNG plot that will get me to the theater. The TNG cast can't carry a movie, and Berman can't produce one.
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Calhoun...I wouldn't rain on mrtinuviel's parade. He makes sense. I relate to what he says as do many fans. Anyway...Berman and Braga have been more than generous in defending themselves. He with little power (the fans in this case) has no other choice than to make his/her voice heard in numbers. So chill on all the "complainers".
Look...Shatner and TPTB screwed up with "Final Frontier"...and corrected it with "Undiscoverd Country". To me, it's real simple. Generations should be corrected and give Kirk a better send off...whether that means he dies "again" or not. In the process, you give TNG crew a better send off.
And yes...Q needs to be weaved into this. I believe mrtinuviel has hit on something of importance. TOS movies were at their best when they were doing a mulit-movie arc of character stories that were placed in three separate movie plots (TWOK, TSFS & TVH).
And yes...Nemesis should be used/considered story one with two more to follow...a Kirk (resurrection type) story and a Q story. The Spock/Data parallels might be too "coincidental"...as are the Sulu/Riker ones, but these characters are different enough that I'm sure their character arcs could develop differently.
I'd go as far as to suggest filming two movies back to back...and oh yeah...bring back Nicholas Meyer to take the helm for both films. :) Peace...
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Calhoun...I wouldn't rain on mrtinuviel's parade. He makes sense. I relate to what he says as do many fans. Anyway...Berman and Braga have been more than generous in defending themselves. He with little power (the fans in this case) has no other choice than to make his/her voice heard in numbers. So chill on all the "complainers".
Believe it or not, I do agree with the general anti-B/B sentiment. As I mentioned, they killed Star Trek, and I was thrilled to hear Braga wouldn't be coming back.
It was actually my fault in part for misreading the comment to mean that the problems began as soon as the two had joined the show rather than when they took over the movies as well (several years later).
The idea that the show went downhill as soon as the two joined is horribly unfair, and I've read it far too often. Again, my apologies for reading it into this comment, but this idea is thrown about to an absurd extent.
Berman and Braga pretty much saved TNG in the early 90s (along with Michael Piller, Jeri Taylor, Ronald D. Moore, Rene Echevarria and many other talented writers). Many of my favorite TNG episodes were written by Brannon Braga. The show took it's first upswing into greatness around the time Berman became executive producer. Berman co-created DS9, which IMHO had the strongest first year outside of TOS and TAS. Yes, it did get stronger as Berman backed off from it, but that doesn't negate the above.
Now as time went on there were more problems culminating in the horror that was "These Are the Voyages". [shudder] But to dismiss the early, great work by these two because of the downhill spiral they later took is unfair at best.
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I'm not saying everything Berman/Braga did was bad. Taken as a whole, though, Berman-created shows where he kept an active role in series development, like Voyager and Enterprise, have to be considered failures. Voyager and Enterprise had their occasional quality episodes, but overall were creative failures. DS9, where writers had more free reign from Berman, had the occasional poor show but overall must be considered a creative success. TNG was created by Roddenberry, who provided the framework for whatever came after in that series and a large part of its success, even in later years, has to be attributed to him. Of course Braga wrote the occasional decent script, but looked at overall his work is not remembered with much fondness. Also remember that Berman ran Star Trek, and any script, including for Insurrection, would have had his input and required his stamp of approval. My major objection to Kirk's death in Generations is that it smacks of ego. Berman's way of saying the old Trek is finally dead, this is my baby now. It was a slap in the face to nearly 30 years of Star Trek fans. It's common knowledge it ate at Berman to have different producers running the movie franchise and constantly being compared to his television endeavors. Perhaps the slap in the face was meant for them, not the fans, but we were collateral damage regardless. It's also possible that Kirk's death was merely to sell tickets, and as with most things Berman-related was a decent concept ruined by horrible execution. Enterprise, when it first began, was touted as an homage to the Original Series. What I saw watching the first season was actually an attempt to rewrite the Original Series, which again smacked of ego and was a slap in the face to many, many Star Trek fans. As far as I was concerned, there already was a series called Star Trek: Enterprise, it's just that Paramount decided to label it the Original Series instead. Enterprise would have worked as a companion piece to the Original Series. Instead, it seemed to want to be its rival. Score a knockout for the Original Series. As for Kirk's return fixing Star Trek, do you honestly doubt that there would be cheering in every movie theatre across North America when Kirk first reappears onscreen in his Star Fleet uniform? That would generate the kind of excitement and anticipation not surrounding Star Trek in nearly a decade. It would also make Generations watchable again for me, knowing that the blunder made there was corrected later on. I prefer, personally, to consider Generations as non-canon, as it contributes nothing of any importance to the Star Trek universe but takes away significantly from my enjoyment of Star Trek as a whole.
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My apologies. I actually had misread you slightly.
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Star Trek jumped the shark as soon as Berman/Braga took over both the movie and television aspects of the franchise.
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Star Trek jumped the shark as soon as Berman/Braga took over the franchise.
Not that I had actually skipped the critical section, but I had misread it in a way to give the above meaning. Your actual comment would place the events you're talking about after "All Good Things...", whereas the way I had initially perceived it made it sound like you were talking about from the time they became producers of the show. My apologies for jumping the gun; there are many other comments that would have been more deserving of my tirade than yours was. ;-)
Of course, First Contact still rocked. ;-)
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Taken as a whole, though, Berman-created shows where he kept an active role in series development, like Voyager and Enterprise, have to be considered failures.
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TNG was created by Roddenberry, who provided the framework for whatever came after in that series and a large part of its success, even in later years, has to be attributed to him.
No question. However, it wasn't until there were a few new hands in the pot that things really got cooking. That's probably what we need again now.
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Also remember that Berman ran Star Trek, and any script, including for Insurrection, would have had his input and required his stamp of approval.
True, but I find it hilarious that Michael Piller is almost never given blame for his mediocre script.
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My major objection to Kirk's death in Generations is that it smacks of ego. Berman's way of saying the old Trek is finally dead, this is my baby now.
An interesting thought, but probably not true. As has been recounted many times, Braga and Moore first had the idea of Kirk dying as they were working on the script; it was only presented to Berman for approval later.
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It's also possible that Kirk's death was merely to sell tickets, and as with most things Berman-related was a decent concept ruined by horrible execution.
Oddly enough, Kirk's death as seen in the movie was the second version, as fan response was poor to the first one, which I found a bit more dramatic. Of course, neither was particularly great, so I suppose that's neither here nor there.
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What I saw watching the first season was actually an attempt to rewrite the Original Series, which again smacked of ego and was a slap in the face to many, many Star Trek fans. [...] Enterprise would have worked as a companion piece to the Original Series. Instead, it seemed to want to be its rival.
Interesting. I've personally never really perceived it this way myself, but to each his own.
You did like season four, though, right? ;-) Three cheers for Manny Coto!
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As for Kirk's return fixing Star Trek, do you honestly doubt that there would be cheering in every movie theatre across North America when Kirk first reappears onscreen in his Star Fleet uniform?
I have no question. In fact, I thought Shatner's idea for Tiberius' appearance in Enterprise was awesome (although technically that wasn't the return of "Kirk"). I'm just pointing out that if the script stinks, what's the point of doing it? If Kirk was brought back and not treated properly, it would just alienate the fans even more. I consider getting a strong batch of writers to be far more important to Star Trek's long-term survival that bringing back Shatner. But, again, bringing back Shatner wouldn't hurt either. ;-)
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I prefer, personally, to consider Generations as non-canon, as it contributes nothing of any importance to the Star Trek universe but takes away significantly from my enjoyment of Star Trek as a whole.
I'm nit-picking here, but technically Generations did contribute the background for why Guinan has her space/time powers when none of the other El-Aurians we had seen had shown any evidence of them. Nonetheless, point taken.
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Welcome. Glad to have you aboard. :) That being said...
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When did people start "retconning" the history of Star Trek to make every move Berman and Braga made a mistake? Were they the ones who finally drove it into the ground? Almost certainly. But until that point:
* Star Trek: The Next Generation was at its best shortly after Berman became executive producer. It was when Gene Roddenberry had to step back due to health reasons that we started seeing quality episodes. (Not trying to spit on Gene's grave or anything... The man was a genius, but that doesn't negate the above.)
* Braga wrote many of the more enjoyable and memorable episodes of TNG.
* Braga co-wrote the final episode of TNG, generally agreed to be one of the best episodes of the show and the best final episode of any Trek series.
* Braga co-wrote First Contact, generally agreed to be the best of the TNG movies by far.
* Braga re-engerzied Voyager at a time when it had been lagging for some time. Even setting aside Seven of Nine (whom I'm not a big fan of), the show markedly improved when Braga first took over.
Yes, as Voyager went along under Braga it did start to falter again a bit. Yes, Enterprise was almost certainly the worst of the Trek shows. Yes, Berman and Braga gave Kirk a dubious death. But it's not fair to go back 10 years and say that they were doing a horrible job when they were among the ones that kept Star Trek alive.
Now it should be pointed out that these men were both counterbalanced by someone else... Berman was best balanced by Michael Piller, whereas Braga's counterpart was Ronald D. Moore (co-writer of "All Good Things" and First Contact and developer of the new Battlestar Galactica, as I'm sure you know). But Piller was the one who wrote Insurrection, and Moore co-wrote Kirk's death in Generations. Why is Rick Berman getting more blame for the script then the man who co-wrote it?
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And while I'm at it...
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Why does everyone think bringing Kirk back will fix everything? I doubt you would have liked Generations whether he died or not. Star Trek can be truly great with or without him, as TNG and DS9 consistently showed. What matters is good writing that treats fans with respect. Unless you think that Rick Berman's "bring Shatner back as Chef" idea would have saved the show.
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BTW, don't take these comments too personally, MRTinuviel. You just happen to be person #10,000 to make a post of this jist this year, and I had to say something about it eventually...
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If the new movie is about a new crew or set in the past during the romulan wars, a picard cameo wouldn't be so bad, actually I would like to see this... they could advertise stewart as being in it which could only help I guess but it doesn't have to feature the entire tng crew. And no I don't want a time travel story, just seeing picard in the future in some capacity if done well.
Does anyone remember Stewart on one of those late night shows promoting Generations? He was talking about an idea he had with Carrie Fisher to make a movie combining both scifi franchises into one love story triangle between Picard, Leia, and Solo.
I don't know if this was British humour but he was dead serious.
Please let TNG and TREK rest. They had their chance and they fucked up. No thanks in part to Stewart and Spiner.
Four TNG movies now and I submit that this cast has yet to find their silver-screen legs. Don't get me wrong, I'd give anything to see them again, and I used to think that I new a good way to put them in a great movie. But now I'm not so sure. Does anybody have any good ideas about a story that they would like to see? I think it would be a nice change to see some constructive critical thinking on this forum rather than simply bashing the powers that be, of which I am just as guilty of doing. And although I enjoyed the book, The Return, I would like to hear some other ideas. Anyone?
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Here's how it should have gone: TNG had its TOS crossover in "Generations" and the Borg in "First Contact." The next movie *should* have been a Q movie. For the love of Pete, how did they not see the obvious?
I want a big ENTERPRISE movie, written by Manny Coto and directed by Frakes. It's time for the Earth/Romulan War, folks, and ENTERPRISE sure as hell deserves a better send-off than it got. Get a big-name villain in there along with Bakula and they could pull it off. I mean, come on ... if they can make "Serenity" after only 13 episodes of "Firefly," they can do an ENTERPRISE flick.
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I'd really like to see one more outting, always have since Nem. I'm one of the few who enjoyed it. It's got it's faults, I'll grant you but I enjoyed watching it. Personally I blame the director. The newer "deleted scenes" are all character moments that connect us emotionally to our crew...those were all cut for action sake.
As for silver screen legs...yeah I'll agree, although First Contact raked in some serious dough for a Trek film and pulled in a lot of non trek fans. However...they never had a good villan beyond that. The origional series worked well on the big screen because we hadn't seen them in awhile and there were more stories to tell about this family. TNG had a lot more TV time so there might not be as much to tell anymore.
TOS also had a pretty good arc going for 3 of the films so it was like telling this grand story that people wanted to "stay tuned" for. Maybe TNG could've use d a bit of this...pushing our characters forward through a continuing storyline. Nemesis was doign this a bit, what with Data dead and everyone moving on, and it would be interesting to pick up on some threads from this and run with it.
my 1 cent.
This is interesting. Lots of $$$ and effort going into this project and the last word is that there's no new developments, from Berman not too long ago. What are they spending time and money on then? I am somewhat skeptical at this point since there is no consistentcy from anyone who talks on the subject. I don't think Stewart is lying or anything but I cannot believe that Paramount is going to risk another flop until, at least I hope until, Berman is gone.
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"Life's tough. It's tougher if you're stupid."
-- John Wayne
"Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence."
--Dr. Leonard McCoy
"I'm a politician, which means I am a cheat and a liar, and when I am not kissing babies I am stealing their lollipops."
-- Jeffrey Pelt, The Hunt for Red October
"Liberals, Intellectuals, Peacemongers, IDIOTS!!!!"
- General Decker, Mars Attacks
"It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires, both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."
- Q from Q Who
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If you look through the crap, at the heart of Nemesis was the story about TNG crew being a family, and everyone sort of growing up. Riker and Troi got married and were moving on to a new ship. Even though not in the original theatrical release, Dr. Crusher left the Enterprise to go to Starfleet Medical. Data had his emotion chip (from Generations) and had grown, and now had a little mentally challanged brother to deal with, and help grow. Worf had gone away for a while (DS9 and then the Klingon homeworld) but he was back, and Geordi was making sure the ship was running smoothly. Basically it was a family who had some people moving on in life, and then it gets hit with tragedy. Data, probably one of the most beloved members of their family, heroically gives his life to save his Captain.
It always struck me that at the end of Nemesis TNG family felt torn apart. Even though they tried to end it on a positive note with B4 singing a song Data had sung in the opening scenes, it still felt like a sad ending. Riker & Troi were gone, Data was dead, and Crusher was gone as well (we knew it even if the dumb director edited that part out).
If a Star Trek XI brings TNG cast together again, I'd have the theme be this family getting back together. I'd place it at least 5 years after Nemesis. B4 is a civilian on board the Enterprise, Picard's first officer is Commander Worf (his training under Sisko had to mean something), LaForge is still running things in Engineering. And we go from there. Perhaps the announcement that Troi has given birth to their first baby is what brings the U.S.S. Titan and the Enterprise together, with Crusher joining them as well. Then something happens and we get into the meat of the story. During the film B4 would be pretty much like Data was during the first season of TNG: he takes everything literally, doesn't understand human jokes and so on. There would be pretty deep scenes between Geordi and B4, and it lays the groundwork for Geordi's arc in the film as he's taken to being B4's guardian "because that's what Data would've wanted."
Again, I really don't have an idea as to what the main thrust of the story should be about, but I do know that it should be less about (as an example) the Enterprise ramming the enemy starship and more about these characters. One of the better scenes from Generations is when Picard is telling Troi about how his brother and sister-in-law and nephew burned to death in a fire, and his concerns about how he's the last of the Picards. It wasn't about space battles or the big bad guy in the movie, it was a personal moment for Picard. As another example, the often quoted bit from Star Trek VI: "Jim, they're dying." "Let them die!" Strong personal moment for Kirk. Emotions. That's what's been missing from Insurrection and Nemesis. Put some emotion back into the film and the characters, and you'll have a good film.
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Perhaps this is the optimist in me, but (hopefully) the reason for Berman's statements of 'no activity' are due to the studio's keeping him out of the loop.
This is guarded optimism, however....
LLaP
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THAT is the Exploration that awaits you: not mapping stars or studying nebulae, but charting the unknown possibilities of Existence.
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I've been feeling the same way about Berman!
Of course I don't know why Stewart's comments should hold anymore water.
But I too am optimistic, and I'm not even an optimist, I'm generally bitter enough to be considered inherently pessimistic and un-fun. But I feel good about this...but then again maybe that's just the Christmas spirit talking, we had a lot of snow today :)
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Of course I don't know why Stewart's comments should hold anymore water.
Possibly... but if you're a studio suit that is interested in a new Trek project, but NOT having Berman involved with it, and wanted to get the input and/or green light from a potential cast member that is intimately familiar with Trek, what would you do? :-)
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...we had a lot of snow today :)
I hope it's not a harbinger of heaping mounds of snowdrifts and ice sheets for months to come... where are you located?
LLaP
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THAT is the Exploration that awaits you: not mapping stars or studying nebulae, but charting the unknown possibilities of Existence.
To borrow an old phrase from Monty Python's Flying Circus...
"and now for something completely different."
To which I would add:
"make it so."
We need something new. It can be done... I guess we'll see.
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To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And, at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between, plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big 'thing.' This is truth, to me.
My gawd. Make up your mind people. Geesh.
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The autumn days swung soft around me, like cotton on
my skin. But as the embers of the summer lost their
breath and disappeared, my heart went cold, and
only hollow rhythms resounded from within.
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Curious. It's welcomed news to me any day, but there is something to make me skeptical...
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(so surprised we didn't have a dictaphone handy - curses!)
With that it seems plausible that it's made up hence why there's no "recorded" documentation of Stewart saying this.
I can believe it though. The first time in 18 years that there's no Star Trek...Paramount is absent of a substantial cash-flow and are now mourning the loss, saying "We'll make a good one. We'll even put some money toward it...PLEASE just come and see it!" Therefor, I have reasons to believe it, and reasons to be skeptical. But still, I remain overjoyed by this news.
Maybe they have read the plees of so many Trek fans asking for another TNG movie before any kind of prequel again.
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Whatever...Just please, NO MORE CRAPPY TNG MOVIES! It's past the point of absurdity. It's simply embarrassing. New movie? Great! Just leave these characters out of it.
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There once was a man named Scorned,
whose posts were more offensive than porn.
He posted one too many,
got kicked out on his fanny,
and all the while he had been warned.
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