Especially when Andromeda is terrible!
But agree with that last remark completely. Everyone seems to think that Rick Berman ahs no right to make more Star Trek without their OK or veto. That's simply not how it works. And you have to realize. While there might be 100 people on these sights. There's 15,000,000 other Star Trek fans that just want a GOOD movie and will take what they can get simply because they love the series.
It's amazing that of all the fanatics...being us...most of the people here have more negative feelings toward the series than the casual Star Trek viewer. But to satisfy both sides of the debate. I developed a film idea of my own that will roughly take the same concept but satisfy people on both sides of the debate.
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-A shuttle craft hovers above the ground of a ravaged miserable desert planet.
Unbeknownst to the crew...While they were in that shuttle, they slipped through a tiny sector of space, an expanse in which linear time does not exist...a place in which an instant is the equivelent to a millenia in normal space and time.
Our main character was escorting a doctor or military analyst, who either held the secrets to winning a mounting war, or held the secrets to a vaxine to a virus that was threatening to destroy the world.
In that instant that they past through the sector of space, the universe aged over one hundred years around them.
Now Earth almost carries a Mad Max feel......Don't worry, it's not going to be anything like Mad Max.......humanity lost the war, or was strickened with the disease/plague, and took one solid step backward in their evolution. They look into the stars as humans once did, but not looking toward the future, they look toward the past. Our main characters come in contact with a group of humans and here is where the internal struggle comes into play. They find it difficult being amongst these Barbarians in which ethics are skewed, morality is virtually non-existent, and all of the progress has suddenly been flushed down the drain.
But the alien population of Earth has separated themselves from the humans. The main villain will be a Romulan that was in some ways immune to the virus. Though it caused his physical disfiguration, it was not deadly to him. It reorganized his synaptic pathways in a way that allowed the development of psychokenisis, allowing him to control things with his mind, and alter peoples perception. This alien segregation from the humans makes for a theme of racism, only its not the humans enslaving anyone, it's the aliens.
This Earthling League of Aliens or whatever they're called, is the only major considerable government or super power.
The civilized human characters must help the rest of the humans to fight and survive....
The Earthbound nature of this Trek film will make for an interesting drama. The premise will be made relevant to what's going on today, with a theme of "history being at risk of repeating itself." It'll mirror the war on terror but not hit on it directly....such as the 2010 idea.
And it will be clearly pronounced as Star Trek. With the remaining starbases and cities, it's still the Star Trek universe. There's going to be ship-to-ship combat with worn down starships found crashlanded or the starships still docked in starbase. I'll also have to deal with the idea of how the Klingons and Romulans look at the Federation now. All of this I plan to deal with....It'll still be Trek, just as we've never seen it before.
By the end, our characters will have been successful. There might be a Star Trek solution to restore Earth or maybe they'll sale off in search of peace and new worlds to explore. All of these ideas I'm grappling with.
It will hit on the same themes and political ideals as the 2010 idea (though not being necessarily controversial or at all a political thriller.) It captures the same mood but doesn't involve time travel. The stakes are high, and it's big, like nothing ever seen before.
Obviously the odds of my getting the script to Paramount is limited. But if it were to be a movie...what would you guys think?
Hey if this eleventh movie could permanently draw all the insulting, death-calling and agressive freaks below away, well I'm all for it. And I can't wait.
Not that I take them seriously, though. Even if this movie gets made, they'll still be whining around, 'cause they obviously have nothing better to do. When you can whine on a board like this one about a show you hate for 4 years, why not doing it for ten, then ?
And if you hate Rick Berman so much, and miss Gene Roddenberry's "legacy" so badly, then switch to "Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda". You'll probably find something more suitable to your taste...
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Now, if the time travel was not achieved through a temporal anomoly or sdlinshotting around the sun and it's something truly new and creative...say something that involves the prophets or the guardian from CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER, would you be for it?
STOP WITH THE TIME TRAVEL ALREADY!!!!!!! It's such an obvious plot crutch that's been beat t-o d-e-a-t-h! Stop it!
Personally I find all of this hard to swallow for a number of reasons:
1. Setting the movie in 2010 means that it will render itself irrelevant in a few years. Even if production started today, I don't think you could get this movie out before 2007 at the earliest; basing it on events that are supposed to happen in a couple of years is a very risky proposition, creatively speaking.
2. Leonard Nimoy is pretty much retired from the movie business and I doubt he would attach himself to a project (Trek or otherwise) unless he really believed in it. Remember, he did have the good taste to decline to be involved in Generations (if only Shatner had done the same).
3. Given the franchise's recent lackluster box office performance and the fact that Paramount always penny pinches these movies, I find it hard to believe that they would greenlight funds to film two movies back to back, with a new cast, and after the disastrous Insurrection and Nemesis, and the failure of Enterprise. Paramount usually doesn't take that kind of a risk.
4. The plot sounds like a cross between The Voyage Home and First Contact, the last two really successful Trek movies. You'd think that Paramount would have learned by now that ripping off ideas from previously successful movies does not necessarily guarantee a hit (just look at Nemesis, a Wrath of Khan wannabe if there ever was one).
If these rumors are true, then this is the stupidest idea I've heard yet for a Trek movie. It sounds like Nemesis all over again: let's see what Trek movies did well at the box office and use those plot devices in a new movie with a new cast; nobody will ever notice. Yeah, right. What's that classic line: Those who do not learn from history's mistakes are doomed to repeat them.
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That's cool! The only problem I have though is the infernal time travelling again! WHY IN THE BLUE HELL WOULD SPOCK TRAVEL BACK TO 2010 TO SAVE HUMANITY FROM KILLING ITSELF WHEN WWIII MORE OR LESS DID KILL HUMANITY THROUGH NUCLEAR WAR 40 YEARS LATER?!! WHY WOULD TIME TRAVELLERS TRY TO PREVENT SOMETHING IN THE PAST ANYWAY?!! IT CAN'T BE DONE!!!
So I hope that the plot is rethought. Just keep Spock part of it. And, oh yeah, BRING BACK KIRK!!!
With this new news, whether it is fact of fiction, Berman's name is not there for a change. Is it possible that they took him off the project since his contract is going to expire soon.
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I've heard the Cliff Bole rumor too. I would like to see him direct a Star Trek motion picture. I was very impressed with a lot of the work that he did on the TV show. "Conspiracy," is one of the greatest TNG episodes ever. It was directed by him, and it looked great.
Goldsmith is my favorite composer of all time. I was dissapointed to hear that he died. As for who to bring in next I would personally vouch for the guy who did Star Trek 6. Eidleman I think his name was...He impressed me too.
You know, when Star Trek was at its highest point of success, is when it was in the hands of Rick Berman. That was in Star Trek TNG shortly before Roddenberry died in fact. And that, you owe to him.
Most of you probably loved the Dominion war arc in DS9. For that you have Berman to thank. I don't see why you're so hard on him. He hasn't always made the best decisions about where to take the franchise. But with each new series he tries to keep it fresh and new, and he has done much better than others could have. And he seems to try hard. While others may have trampled over what Star Trek is about and made it like Battlestar Galactica or Serenity. He's stayed pretty true.
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What crack are you smoking? Berman didn't write one episode set during the Domnion War, nor was he even on the writing staff. He was still just the company guy then (he didn't start taking in active role in writing process until DS9 went off the air, and VOY was running alone).
So, we have Ira Behr to thank (he was the show runner) for the Dominion War, and thank him we do.
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Rick Berman did NOT make Star Trek a success. That's a myth. TNG's first two seasons had ratings over triple what Enterprise had. Rick Berman didn't create TNG. GR did. It's a lot easier to work with characters and a series that someone else created. The framework was there without Berman.
Once Berman was left to create, Trek tanked, because Rick Berman never has, and never will understand Star Trek.
I have no interest in a Rick Berman movie. Unless the next movie has William Shatner returning as James T. Kirk, post-Generations, I will not watch it.
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Good point, but hey I don't have any hard feelings toward the guy anyway. He sent out something like Voyager and I just didn't watch it...nor did I watch the first few season od DS9 which according to you, was all him.
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Regarding the Dominion War Ludwig, I'll have to disagree with you. It's been understood that Ira Behr and Ron Moore were pretty much left to their own devices regarding DS9 and the Dominion war. Berman and Bragga in the meantime were putting out utter crap in a show called Voyager. I actually read an interview by Behr saying that Berman suggested to him that the Dominion 'War' not last more than a few episodes. Well they went against that advice and gave audiences 2.5 years of compelling drama. So much for Berman trying new stuff.
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I ditto that. If Berman had his way, the Dominion War would have been over by the third episode of the season. Which really would have cheated the series considering how many years the writers spent building the tension between the Federation and the Dominion...it couldn't have and shouldn't have been resolved in two or three episodes.
If only Paramount had been able to keep Ron Moore and Ira Behr in the fold, Star Trek would have been much better off. Of course, things turned out ok after all because I'm loving the things Behr and Moore are doing post-DS9.
Star Trek XI is going to be set in 2010?!? What the hell is Berman thinking? (Maybe he wants to make Nemesis look good) The Star Trek franchaise is going down the crapper with Berman, I say it's time for some new talent behind the scenes!! I think that if any Trek films are set either in the present time era, it should be a film version of The Eugenics Wars!
Also, I think that whenever Trek XI opens, or anything Star Trek is released and Berman is still with the series, everyone should boycott it as a way of telling Paramount that the mother f---ing SOB known as Rick Berman MUST be dismissed from the Star Trek franchaise. Also according to scifi universe, a man by the name of Cliff Bole has been hired to direct STXI, which I think is a disaster waiting to happen (just like I correctly predicted about Stuart Baird and Nemesis) and I think if they want to get the fans back, they should bring in someone who the fans like, my two picks are Nick Meyer and LeVar Burton. Also, it reports that Dennis McCarthy is replacing the late great Jerry Goldsmith as composer of the music, which I also think is a bad choice. I loved what Mr. Goldsmith did for Star Trek, but I think that Mr. McCarthy's score for Generations was easily the worst score in the Trek series, my picks for the music come down to Alan Silvestri, Danny Elfman, Michael Giacchino and Hans Zimmer, NOT Dennis McCarthy.
what about voyager and her crew? when is it their turn on the silver screen.
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Not to sound hard hearted, but Voyager was a horrible program, possibly worse than Enterprise. There is no way it could generate revenue on the big screen. I don't know which performance I'd want to see least, timid Archer or irrational Janeway. When Janeway showed up on Nemesis, I knew it was time to hit the bathroom.
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R.I.P Jimmy. One to beam up...
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Nomore worldwars. Nomore contemporary sets and faked futures. Nomore "Star Trek heroes saves our world". Exaggerated, unrealistic, forced jeopardy.
The way I see it, this is a stretch -- and I mean that in a good way -- this is a vastly original idea.
I don't believe a word of this rumor. But I think it would be a genius idea.
As soon as Star Trek strayed from portraying modern day issues and important ideals in an exciting fiction, and became all about the action, is when it went down the drain. Star Trek has always operated best when mirroring issues that affect us in the real world. Depicting a nuclear war would definitely apply and it would definitely get Star Trek off of this action packed sentiment that's not meaningul and make it meaningful (and exciting) again.
What more could you want? And why complain?
As for Spock's statement on us flirting with Nuclear technologoy. That continuity was trampled on by the first episode of TNG.
Filming in Australia would save money...It did for the last few Star Wars films, there $50 million budget was equivalent to $150 million in the U.S.
We all know of the stupidityfest that was ENT: TATV. Berman brought back 2 characters, who have aged the 13 years since they've been on TNG, to come back and play an episode out from 13 years ago, mixing in ENT to make something make sense...
Nonsense I tell ya, nonsense!
With that in mind, let's imagine Berman doing a modern-day Trek, with Kirk and Spock - will they be retired? Will it be a revived Kirk from the Shatnerverse? Is this just hooey from BringBackKirk.com? Will it be Ambassador Spock? Will it be Spock and Kirk of the classic 1701? With the blaitant stupidicise that is going on at Paramount, I'm welling to bet that my last scenario is the case.
I half-way liked the first years of the Federation idea, if they wanna go prequeling through the park all day. At least, you can have Archer come back a little bit to have a familiar face, rather than noname actors and characters suddenly appear important to us.
This whole 2010 crap... I am feeling real shame to be a STAR TREK fan, after hearing that story.
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BATMAN (Batman Begins)
A prequel. With time travel.
(Shakes head, goes away...)
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Rick Berman seems convinced that this is what fans want to see. He's now obsessed with the prequel aspect. And as much as I like the idea of fleshing out the earlier days of the Federation, I don't think he has the vision necessary to pull this off.
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Yes! Exactly. I applaud those ambitious enough to take on the formation of established Trek Universe, but those doing it must proceed with great care. Making a show based on a timeline succeeding 'Nemesis' is one thing if it stinks, but to go back in time is really desecrating a sacred thing if not done well. Berman had the audacity to do just that, and he did not give two shits about what he was doing. He went in blindly and he got burned. Now he has the nerve to try doing it again. What an a-hole!
According to Sci-Fi universe William Shatner has been asked to return as Kirk in Star Trek 11.
This rumor goes back as far as Feb of 2005.
I should stress that this is simply a rumor.
BUT, with Spock already being named as a "must have character" for Trek 11. It would seem that the Kirk rumor may have something behind it.
You can find a link to this story at bringbackkirk.com
in the news section.
From a business point of view this would make all the sense in the world.
Introduce a new set of characters with the most popular characters from the most legendary Trek series.
No doubt if these rumors are true there will be many more of our favorite characters from all the Trek series to follow.
I really like this idea.
This is a smart move
Thye are going to use their most popular characters to save this once proud fanchise.
With Spock confirmed Shatner and Kirk can't be far behind.
What better way to relaunch the series than to bring back their most popular characters while introducing an all new cast to carry to series forward.
Good move (for once)
it will probably by 2010. Maybe they're getting themselves confused.
I'm not taking this one seriously. Paramount is balking at making one movie, let alone two. Berman already stupidly said that the next movie would include none of the casts. The cost of filming in Australia can't be cheap and you'd think with the box office numbers of the last two movies that they will be looking to pinch some pennies. The source is from one woman who isn't an authority on ANYTHING.
The well for news regarding Star Trek is so dry that the Trek news magazines and websites are wanting to jump on ANY information, however out of left field it might be. Of course, I don't blame them, there hasn't been anything good to report on. Just more and more downs for Star Trek, most recently the unfortunate death of Jimmy Doohan and the death of ENT. Even wild rumors are better than hearing about how Star Trek is going down the tube.
Off topic, I am enjoying expanded coverage of Battlestar Galactica in the wake of less to report on Star Trek.
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I don't think we can dismiss these rumors easily. Back in 2000 there were rumors about a new prequel series "Enterprise" and they turned out to be true. Rumors for "Nemesis" turned out to be true.
I have the feeling, all these rumors about the next Star Trek movie point in the same direction, and are not far off the mark. (Unfortunately.)
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Well, I can't speak for you of course but I'm still going to dismiss them that easily. This rumor is based on the halfways legitimate rumors/truths we've heard before about Trek XI being a prequel in the earliest stages of development penned by the Band of Brothers guy and possibly involving Romulans.
When the movie comes out, it's not going to look anything like what was described in this news story. The Spock thing is ridiculous. Even "Nemesis" had rumors of Spock being involved in storyline(the rumor called for a sequel to Unification of sorts) but that didn't pan out to be even halfway true. But considering the final product of "Nemesis" I think most of us wish it were.
This rumor, though, doesn't even sound remotely as intriguing. I think it's someone's idea of fan fiction being relayed as a movie rumor.
Sadly I'm not too excited about the next movie as is. Unless it involves some of the DS9 crew for once, I'm probably not going to even spend money on it.
And until the movie is officially confirmed(as far as we know, Paramount hasn't even bought the idea yet), I'm going to be wary of rumors.
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I enjoy hearing about any of the projects that former Trek-alumni are currently working on because a lot of those projects are worth following - 4400, Dead Like Me, The Dead Zone and the new BSG are all very good, creatively original shows.
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Yes, me too. And its worth noting that they are predominantly DS9-alumni, the best Trek imho
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I love Trek and everything about it, but if they do this, I fear it will destroy the francise completely.
No more prequals please!! Let Trek rest for a few years then bring it back with a new series.
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I agree. Why gamble Star Trek's reputation and future on a pair of films to try and establish a new audience. Trekkers around the world are not going to back this up. Paramount is making another mistake if they want to go solo on this one.
Better experient with a mini-series or something else on a small scale, to find an approch that works financially and safisties most Trekkers.
We better hope this isnt true, for the sake of Star Trek. This would truly bury the franchise.
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Osama Bin Laden is infact a Klingon temporal agent which means the war on terror should not be happening. Then at the end of the first movie it is revealed that alien nazis are also involved.
The second movie then deals with the alien nazi/klingon threat to 21st century Earth.
The movie ends with the discovery of a Kirshara-like device that converts all islamic fundamentalists into peaceful people and allows Israel & the Arabs to co-exist peacefully. Bin Laden dies whilst trying to get back to the 26th century and the Alien Nazis are wiped out by our heroes.
...this movie might not get released until 2010.
Here's hoping this is just a rumor. Or, at least, a typo.
We know Star Trek is in an alternate timeline -- the lack of a Eugenics War told us that -- but there's no need to add a nuclear war that almost certainly will not happen within the next five years. (At least I hope not!)
Is this just an excuse to make it really, really low budget?
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this star trek xi idea is truely signs that star trek needs new blood, fresh ideas, and creative overhaul. although established faces from previous crews would be nostalgic and welcome - even intruiging depending on the mix and chemistry - why not pick trek up after the events of ds-9's finale and star trek: insurrection? the federation is a mess after dominion, son'a, borg, cardassian encounters, and needs to rebuild, forge new alliances, etc. this would facilitate the creation of new aliens for the star trek universe and would bring the series back to its original mandate(and roddenberry's vision) "...to explore strange, new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations....to boldly go where no one has gone before." let's look forward and not back and create a brand new crew(time for an hispanic capt, perhaps? latinos have been sorely underrepresented in star trek and are currently the largest minority in america; or how about a klingon capt? think of those possibilities and potential dramatic conflicts). future movies could feature cameos from established crews in new, ingenious ways, or perhaps the offspring of much-loved characters, like was done w/sulu's daughter in star trek: generations. why not take a page from superman, the movie('78), batman begins(05), and even star trek: nemesis (i.e. janeway's cameo) and use established trek stars in key minor supporting roles to help move the story along...maybe established stars can even play other characters. star trek ds-9 often recycled its treasure trove of great character actors as different aliens. this would be a nod to the past but firmly set the franchise in creative, new directions. as much as i love the old casts, even i must admit star trek needs to be 'freshend up.' it needs to get a little edgy and take more risks, for in the immortal words of capt...james...t...kirkoftheenterprise, "...risk, is our business!"
Anyone remember the line from Star Trek 4 when Spock said that Earth had a "brief flirtation" with Nuclear technology in the 20th century? A full out nuclear war or whatever the heck the rumor is, is a little more than a brief flirtation. And the fact that Spock is involved is just insane.
I know this seems like a petty detail, but it's not. You have to remember that Star Trek 4 was filmed during the height of the cold war, and that was a very important line. To me, it meant that Earth toyed with the idea but nothing really came of it- it was just a footnote in history.
This really annoys me. Oh yeah and will they deal with the Eugenics Wars that took place not 10 years before? Will the Earth still be divided up? Geez.
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Well, you don't have to worry. Spock didn't say we had a brief flirtation with nuclear technology. He said we had a brief flirtation with nuclear FISSION. That's a BIG difference. The writers weren't dumb enough to consign ALL of nuclear power to a "brief flirtation", especially considering that the impulse drive as well as the reactor core in DS9 are powered by fusion. And any nuclear war bewteen super powers would use largely thermoneclear fusion bombs, which were in production even back in the 80s. So FISSION was a footnote. Not fusion. The fusion reactor being built in Europe may be the shape of things to come.
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It's moot in any case. 2010 is the 21st century, not the 20th century. And a nuclear war (World War III) has been part of Trek cannon since TOS.
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I don't know what to say. I'm speechless. This could not have been an idea by Berman. True, Berman is an idiot, but he can't possibly be THAT stupid. I love this website, but lately some of these stories and speculations have felt like a dull batleth in my heart. How far we have fallen.
Quote:"Paramount execs apparently also revealed they were also considering shooting the next STAR TREK film in Australia"
Well that is nice.
Quote:"STAR TREK Magazine reader Carol Dale, who was at the event says the Premier also revealed some of the next film's plot.
It must be nice to be on the "in". hahah
Quote:""STAR TREK XI will be set in the very near future," Carol reports. "2010 to be exact. A time when the Earth has been almost destroyed by nuclear war, when our saviours from the future arrive."
"The story is to be set over two movies," Carol continued. "As to who will star nothing was said, but it was inferred that Spock was a must. But if they are bringing help from the future it leaves it open to star any and all of the STAR TREK casts from all the shows.
This has got to be joke! Spock? Come on Leonard Nimoy is retired. There is no long lost love between Nimoy and Berman. What happened to that Band of Brothers guy? and those losers "Inspector Gadget and Miami Vice guys?
You won't see the second part of this lame story because the first movie will bomb so bad that they won't bother filming the other half of it. But if this really is going to be the next 2 movies.....RIP Star Trek. It is so over! I can't wait to hear these fans with the "well lets wait and see" approach to this train wreck! haha
I remember a time when Trek was so cool. I can't believe how bad things have become. It is like watching someone you have known all your life slowly dying. Each day it gets worse and worse.
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This post is full of actual, useful information and clever insights (such as your implication that Dale is a fraud, if I'm not misreading you), and it doesn't have any personal attacks against Berman or Braga! And while it's hardly positive, I can't bring myself to argue with any of it, or even to consider it overstated. Your final paragraph actually showed that you *like* Star Trek, and pretty well summed up how a lot of the fans are feeling right now. Heck, I even thought the subject line was pretty witty.
You haven't been handing out your login password, have you? ;-)
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So then Scorned, what will you do when you consider Trek finally 'pronounced'? (assuming you havent already). ;)
You'll have to find something else to moan about - LOL...
Agreed though, the plot, as unreliable as a plot thread can be for a production in such an embryonic stage, seems very unlikely....
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The next thing to discuss is the sorry ass state of Sci-Fi with all the rehashing along with the even sorry state of sci-fi fans wanting/putting up with all this crap! Trek now follows the flavour of the month.
Quote:"Agreed though, the plot, as unreliable as a plot thread can be for a production in such an embryonic stage, seems very unlikely...."
It is sad to see stories like this (has to be a joke) about the next 2 Trek movies. How sad! I can't believe that Paramount would even consider doing this. Truly 100% stupidity on their part if it is true.
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Sorry assed state of network approved Sci-Fi you mean, theres plenty of good stuff on the bookshelves :)
As for the Trek XI rumours, proof of the pudding is in the eating, even though I dont like what I hear of it...
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This movie will not be filmed. It was a Rick Berman idea, with Paramount giving him the goahead (and some money) to assemble a writer, producers, and most likely setting up shooting locations. The information regarding filming in Australia showed up a while back, and since then, Rick Berman himself has said that Paramount has put the idea on the backburner. It's dead, Jim. All we're getting now is a rehash of information some months out of date. I do find it interesting that the plot points that are being bandied about involve time travel, Spock, and possibly mixing and matching crews from different shows. That tracks quite nicely with the idea that we heard a while back about a "Justice League" type idea with different Star Trek crews joining up to face a common threat. That, most likely, is what this idea is. It is also extremely likely this idea will never see production. I wouldn't worry about this, or start proclaiming RIP Star Trek because this idea, and filming locations and all that, were all bandied about months ago. Since then Berman's pretty much said the idea is dead, as is his career with Star Trek.
After hearing what the idea was, I'm sort of happy this isn't going to be the next film. If this is what Berman was going to come up with, THANK GOD the man is most likely out of a job come 2007.
Is this all that Star Trek means to these IDIOTS? Time Travel? I know that Hollywood is devoid of much creativity or risk taking these days, but the Star Trek franchise is currently the bottom of the barrel. Such a shame, this franchise was built on innovation, risk taking, and stories that meant something.
If only one fourth of the fans of Star Trek were to actively boycott anything associated with VIACOM, they'll feel it in the accounting department, then maybe they'll start producing material that matters again instead of appealing to the lunkheads of the world.
If they resort to doing another time travel oriented story so soon after the travesty that was Enterprise, then Star Trek is truly dead, and it should remain dead forever. It will have become irredeemable.
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If only one fourth of the fans of Star Trek were to actively boycott anything associated with VIACOM, they'll feel it in the accounting department, then maybe they'll start producing material that matters again instead of appealing to the lunkheads of the world.
Most likely Paramount would see the decline in sales as lack of fan interest in the franchise altogether, not a reflection of a poor movie. That sort of boycott, unless it was clearly publicized, would probably convince Paramount to never make any new Treks.
After all, Nemesis was a great movie according to Berman, the reason for bad ticket sales was our fault.
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Yes, it's our fault that our standards grew as the franchise got better, only to see a decline in quality as the fanbase had then reached a point where it was just too damn sophisticated for Rick Berman's shoddy attention to detail, as well as a distaste for the fans and their concerns. (btw, the rhetoric against Rick Berman wouldn't be such as it is if he only would admit that he screwed up).
Yes, a boycott would have to be well publicized, that may have to come to pass. I was ready to launch a website that lists the sponsors of ENT before I found out that it was cancelled anyway.
It took a coordinated fan effort to bring Star Trek back, now it may take a concerted fan effort to PREVENT bad Star Trek from being made.
Thanks for your input... I was just venting anyway. It really burns me up that Berman is still being interviewed. He is a big fat nobody in the world of producers, at least as far as TALENT is concerned. May he fade into obscurity ASAP.
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Hmmm, the name 'Star Trek' implies travel amongst the stars....lets go back to Kirks monologue after all....
Time travel, appears to be going nowhere at all....
Leave the time travel to Dr Who, Star Trek is about discovery, not temporal cold wars, I dont think thats limiting the genre, but refocussing on what made Trek great....and along the way creating some great career opportunities when handled well for some very lucky actors....
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The only interesting thing about it so far to me is they are considreing filming the movie in Australia. has any Trek episode or movie been filmed outside of the states.
It also sounds like a reboot. Leonard Nimoy has said that he has retired from acting and they place the nuclear war just 5 years from now which doesn't fit with established Trek history.
All I can say is...
Let the fuming beging!!!!
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"We're starfleet officers....weird is part of the job!"
Absolute crap.
Nimoy has sworn never to return again, as early as recent as 2 months ago. Setting it in 2010 = not Star Trek (according to the timeline no space travel until Zephram Cochrane).
And 2 movies from a franchise best described at the moment as a corpse? BULLSHIT!
One movie isn't likely, let alone 2!
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I mean.. time travel.. again...
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Well, a time travel movie set in the 2010's - no doubt exactly 25 years after The Voyage home's visit to San Francisco. This time around however, it is not a Whale that need taking back to the future to save the earth from destruction, but (and this will be Chekov's line) "Nuclear Wombats".
Whilst certain aspects of the film sound okay (a collection of new and previous cast members - Maybe brought together by Q or Danials?) the rest sounds, well too damm stupid. What are the Trek people going to do about the Nuclear war? what about the Temporal Prime Directive?
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