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By: psp1 (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:39:43 on Apr 11, 2005

This is sort of like TNG trying to bring back Kirk for their series finale. It makes no sense.
Berman, the perpetual loser and the guy with no vision left for the franchise, has to put his final nail into an improving show. The most creative idea he is able to muster is to bring back these two sad sack actors for a finale for Captain Archer and his crew.
How the mighty franchise has fallen- grubbing for ratings by bringing back two poor actors.


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ENT-D for ENT series finale? | Report this post to moderator
By: Capricorn Two (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:05:19 on Apr 11, 2005

With all the news and rumors: will we see the ENT-D exterior in ENT's series finale?

Has that been announced? Will they use the ENT-D ext. footage from the TNG 'Pegasus' episode to establish this new TNG footage?

Curious.

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By: what_a_trip (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 14:09:51 on Apr 11, 2005

besides me is going to try to buy all 4 copies? :(

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  By: fx7 (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:38:24 on Apr 11, 2005

  Heh, I have this strange facination for Trek TV guides and have been collecting them for a while so I guess I will be picking them up as well. :)
  
  I also want to add that Marina and Frakes are looking good in thier old uniforms. Those two always seemed to have good chemistry to me and it comes through in the pic and interview.
  
  *sigh*... i miss TNG.

  
  

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By: TheKJB (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:49:24 on Apr 11, 2005

The Enterprise finale and the featured interview is with Frakes and Sirtis. The "Riker's in Space" sitcom?
KILL.... ME...... NOW.......

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What's with all the past cast members on the covers??????? | Report this post to moderator
By: cooper2000 (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:31:12 on Apr 11, 2005

My question is, why are all of the cast members from past Trek shows on the covers? What a cheat. This is their finale. I am guessing they think fans of good Trek would buy these if their old favorites were on there

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I was surprised when they said...that we could be in it | Report this post to moderator
By: NCC-1701 (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:46:03 on Apr 11, 2005

?!?!!!

We're ready for a USS Titan series whenever you guys are!!!

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Oh, snap! OF COURSE! | Report this post to moderator
By: the fan with no name (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:16:39 on Apr 11, 2005

This ties into "Pegasus" they say. How? you ask.

Take a look at the pictures from the other board. What do you think that is that Shran is holding? It's a cloaking device.

In Pegasus Picard mentions that the Federation gave up the right to cloaking technology as part of the 'Treaty of somethingorother'. Well, the Treaty of Somethingorother is either going to be the treaty that founds the Federation or immediately precedes it.

My guess is that we are going to find out that the Romulan Wars have happened in the interceding years between Terra Prime and These are the Voyages... Riker and Troi, in the aftermath of Pegasus, play out a holonovel that depicts the events surrounding the Federation's decision to abandon cloaking technology as part of their treaty with Romulus and a condition of the founding of the Federation. Riker, suffering from guilt over the events in Pegasus and the original mutiny in that episode, is questioning whether the decision by the Federation was the right one so he and Troi revisit the original events surrounding the treaty through the use of the holonovel.

That's actually not so bad. If you have to shoe-horn TNG characters into it then that's not such a bad way to do it.

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  By: Sennik (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:46:57 on Apr 11, 2005

  Sounds ok, but my problem with it is a character one. In the original TNG run, Riker & Troi were friends who were intimately together before the series started. They didn't get back together until the movies. They were really good friends throughout the series. However, the events in Pegasus, and the mutiny and all that stuff Riker was keeping from Picard... he was ordered to by the Admiral guy. He didn't want to disobey a direct order to tell Picard, so why would he tell Troi? Of course you can say he didn't tell Troi, and she's just there watching but doesn't know what he's going through, but I think Berman & Braga just undermine the whole point of the Pegasus episode. Riker has this secret he's keeping, and was ordered to keep, yet he tells Troi about it which begs the question, if he tells her, why the issue with whether to tell Picard or not? It's more of Berman and Braga's writing characters to suit the plot type of storytelling. The type that made Voyager laughable as a series, and the which doomed the first three seasons of Enterprise. Hey, at least they're consistent in their mediocrity.

  
  

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    By: the fan with no name (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:37:16 on Apr 11, 2005

    I think that after the events of Pegasus, when the Enterprise itself became cloaked, it would be pretty hard to keep the secret from Troi at that point. So I think a little soul-searching there could work out.
    
    Of course, Beckett's point about Algeron being only 60 years prior to TNG does present problems. But when has that ever stopped B&B?

    
    

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      By: Sennik (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:51:10 on Apr 11, 2005

      Ah, ok. If "These Are The Voyages..." takes place during the time the Enterprise-D is cloaked in the middle of that asteroid, then it does make sense.

      
      

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  By: Jean-Luc (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:26:53 on Apr 11, 2005

  Beckett's right. The Treaty of Algeron was signed in the early 24th century. Plus the TOS Romulan's cloaking device was pretty big, so a 22nd century device shouldn't be so portable. But since B&B wrote this one, cross your fingers!
  
  I'm wondering if Riker's facing a moral dilemma, so he goes through the holodeck recreation to get back to the roots of what the federation was founded on, or something like that.
  
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    By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:49:34 on Apr 11, 2005

    There are NO cloaking devices in the 22nd century. Romulans never invented them until some time during their 100 year isolation after the Romulan War. If they had cloaking devices then it wouldn't have come as such a shock in Balance of Terror. Spock flat out said that the energy costs of invisibility were enormous. "They may have solved that problem." Had there been cloaking devices in the 22nd century, the entire conversation would not have come up.
    
    Romulans at best, would have a device to hide their ships from sensors. But they would be visible to the naked eye, not unlike a stealth bomber.
    
    Any attempt by Enterprise to undermine the established facts of Balance of Terror is just another reason the show cannot be considered canon.

    
    

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      By: the fan with no name (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:35:32 on Apr 11, 2005

      Is that we already saw a Romulan cloaking device in Minefield. So we know they already have them.

      
      

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  By: NCC-1701 (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:41:21 on Apr 11, 2005

  Nah The Treay of Algeron was only 60 years before TNG

  
  

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By: Hbasm (Odo's file, contact) @ 03:47:05 on Apr 11, 2005

These covers are beautiful advertising and I hope they will increase the ratings for the final episodes. I'd say 6 million viewers are not unrealistic.

The interview is too weird. I thought it was supposed to peak people's curiosity about the last episode and remind us of the good old days. But they're not acting like it.

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  By: Sullaban (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:30:02 on Apr 11, 2005

  Who cares about the ratings now? Paramount didn't give a damn, neither did UPN or CBS.
  Why should they care now? It's over, I'm going home.

  
  

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    By: Hbasm (Odo's file, contact) @ 01:47:51 on Apr 12, 2005

    Well, maybe... I just remember how they've promised to send off the show to a grand finale. UPN even wanted to advertise the last episodes. Whether it will have any deciding influence on the future of Star Trek, I don't know. Possibly not. But it would be great if the finale got high ratings, because it would tell Paramount that Trek can go on... in some way, but different than ENT.

    
    

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  By: Sennik (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:48:43 on Apr 11, 2005

  I doubt the finale will get 6 million viewers. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

  
  

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    By: Hbasm (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:30:17 on Apr 11, 2005 | (1)

    Well since I have never been in USA, I don't really know the power of TV-guide. I just imagine the magazines in every kiosk, in every corner of USA and I would assume, that is great advertising. Even though UPN doesn't advertise the show, everyone will be reminded of its exsistance, and the special series finale that is sure to cause feelings of nostalgia for every TNG fan... It ought to get lost viewers excited... am I right?

    
    

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      By: Sennik (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:54:42 on Apr 11, 2005

      You may be right about the increased attention the finale will get because of TV Guide's covers. But I don't know if that will translate into a doubling of viewers. I think there may be a bit of an increase, but not a huge amount. And in the end, it's irrelevant anyway because the show is dead and Paramount has said there's no chance it's coming back.

      
      

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  By: Schpock (Odo's file, contact) @ 04:19:50 on Apr 11, 2005

  They are nice covers, although Shatner looks unreasonably short in one of them.
  
  6 million is a possibility. I know that there are many Trekkies and Trekkers who have taken a "vacation" from Star Trek since the ending of TNG. I understand management's desire to put those two in the final episode, everything that Paramount does for Trek Between now and the film release is for the sake of building good publicity.
  
  But there are problems with this entire angle toward ending the series this way. It seems very unsatisfactory and I think that the actors and actresses of ENT have been short changed, but what does Rick Berman care, he's on his way out. I hope that the crew of ENT can return at some unspecified date under the guidance of some new management... this franchise is not going to increase it's audience share by trying to be all things to all people. The stuff under Coto is magic, even if it is only a lot of fanboy stuff, it sure is a hell of a lot better than a lot of the stuff we've seen on ENT in the early days.
  
  I would have rather seen Wesley and the Traveler appear in person on the Enterprise rather than Troi and Riker.
  
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By: Schpock (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:56:27 on Apr 10, 2005

The Enterprise didn't even get a proper series finale, they brought in these two... and I swear, with the number of times that Ms. Sirtis has been brought back for post TNG appearances, why don't they just give her her own show.

Why do Riker and Troi have to be in the series finale??? The series FINALE??? I don't blame Sirtis and Frakes for being enthusiastic and positive about this episode, they got paid for it.

They talk about Archer being "deified" in this episode. I like Bakula and the job he did with the material he was given, but to deify him is a bit un-natural. Kirk's legendary status was due in part to the fans response, and in part to the outline of the character itself. Kirk was Kirk, Archer was Archer, they're both completely different captains with completely different styles of command.

It doesn't seem like this is really much of a "Valentine for the fans", it's a big fat "fuck you to the fans". It's a cheap ending to a series that was rife with lazy and sloppy writing, gross miscalculations, and major tampering with a general template that worked for Star Trek.

Yeah, Sirtis and Frakes are happy, like I said, they got paid to do this. I hope that they're happy to have participated in the further destruction of Star Trek. I can't wait until Berman's contract fully expires, then maybe I'll lighten up a little bit. At the very least, I wish he would make an effort to try and understand Star Trek a little better since he was the one who was in charge of it.

Sirtis and Frakes are lucky to have gotten called in to do this, they certainly won't find an abundance of work doing anything else except maybe local theater in L.A., but even if their careers are on an upswing, I hope they never have anything to do with Star Trek again. I think that the least that we could have had with the series finale of Enterprise would be an episode with some real resolution where the cast of the series in question doesn't have to share screen time with a pair that have already had their moment in the sun.

I hope that people will boycott the sponsors of the series finale for a two week stretch, just so that a point may be made about putting garbage on television when they know better. This will help in this battle between the fans and the suits in making the point that we want original Star Trek, and not old racehorses that should have gone to the glue factory long ago, and this goes for actors as well as retreaded plots. I hope that the series finale has an all time low viewership. It's time for the franchise to move on. The only time I want to see Marina Sirtis anymore are in those topless photos from some film that she did some time ago. I certainly don't want to see Frakes topless, or bottomless, but if they ever do decide to do a Titan film, that would be the place for him, and perhaps Ms. Sirtis is on that ship as well.

This whole concept of the episode in question does not make me happy. It's wholly possible that I'll be surprised and actually enjoy it. I'm not going to hate it for the sake of hating it, but I do hate everything that I've heard about it so far. I don't feel it's right.

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Frakes and Sirtis just f***ing rock! | Report this post to moderator
By: motionblur (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:29:08 on Apr 10, 2005

It's great to see them back in action. Great interview!

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By: Meglo (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:38:45 on Apr 10, 2005

Sounds like this was a great trip down memory lane for Frakes, Sirtis, Berman, and Braga, but what about the crew of the NX-01?

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By: spockster (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:39:16 on Apr 10, 2005

Now that was funny! I hope the last episode is as good as that interview.

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  By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:34:43 on Apr 11, 2005

  The whole "deifying Archer" is a joke. There is nothing Berman and Braga can do to put Archer in the same league as Kirk. They can't even put Picard in that league, and Archer is no Picard. At least with Picard, we got a sense that he was an exceptional Starfleet officer in his youth, and was a damn good captain. He wasn't as born for the role as Kirk. But he held his own (except in Generations).
  
  Archer is nothing like that. Part of what made Kirk and Picard such great captains occurred in the real world--the fans responded to them. Seeing Riker and Troi start talking about Archer in such reverance is a joke. B&B can't force that on the fans no matter how hard they try.
  
  Enterprise isn't even accepted as part of Trek canon by a good chunk of the fan base. And a bigger chunk of the fan base didn't even bother to watch the show at all.
  
  In the end, Archer and Enterprise will go down in history as the worst show to date. And that says a lot given Voyager.
  
  Personally, I think Enterprise, especially the final season, was better than Voyager. At least in the last year, they hired some good talent and B&B didn't really do much.
  
  But the idea of Archer being on the level of Kirk and Picard is laughable if not pathetic.

  
  

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    By: Sennik (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:00:57 on Apr 11, 2005

    While I still put up Janeway as the worst captain in Star Trek history, Archer is only a little behind her. Enterprise, as a series, was better in it's four years than Voyager in its whole seven. But regardless, Voyager and Enterprise, in whatever order you put them, are the bottom of the Star Trek spin-offs.
    
    To try and put Archer in Kirk and Picard's league is a joke. Berman and Braga are trying to validate their co-created captain, and it's just not going to happen. Archer became a joke to me after "A Night in Sickbay" and could never redeem himself after the way he was written there. More concerned about his dog than anything else, wanting to urinate on an alien race's trees? And they want to put him on a level with Picard and Kirk? Nice try, losers.

    
    

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      While I still put up Janeway as the worst captain in Star Trek history, Archer is only a little behind her. Enterprise, as a series, was better in it's four years than Voyager in its whole seven. But regardless, Voyager and Enterprise, in whatever order you put them, are the bottom of the Star Trek spin-offs.
      
      It's interesting. With all the Kirk v. Picard arguments, it might be a fun fight to have the Janeway v. Archer comment. Instead of arguing who's better, you'd have to argue who's worse. I think I agree with you and give the nod to Janeway. She did destroy a timeline just for her own personal convenience. That kind of mass murder tends to leave a mark on her character. Not that she wasn't a blithering incompetent before Endgame, but that kind of forever put her in a class by herself.
      
      

      
      

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  By: captainkmj (Odo's file, contact) @ 02:51:11 on Apr 11, 2005

  LOL! Love this interview! Especially love this part:
  
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  Sirtis: You mean I'm here with your permission? I guess Patrick Stewart was too busy...[Laughs] I get no respect around here, and with good reason. When Rick called to offer me the job, he didn't tell me it was a secret, so the first thing I did was post the news on my website. When I got home that day, my phone was red with all the messages from people at Paramount screaming, "What the hell are you doing?!" I'm like, why didn't you tell me it was a secret? I blabbed when Brent agreed to do his three-parter on ENTERPRISE. It's not like I'm some new actress they've never met before. They know that I'm "The Mouth."
  
  Sirtis = The Mouth! hehe
  At least we have some confirmations etc.
  
  I still don't like the finale.... guess they don't like it too. Nonetheless I like these 2..seems a perfect match! hehe
  
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