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Paramount: "The Decision To End ENTERPRISE is Final"

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By TRexx / 13:46, 7 April 2005 / Enterprise

"Organizers of Trek United, the fan fund-raising campaign to save UPN's canceled STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE, are telling fans that they are in secret discussions with Paramount representatives about keeping the show alive, and that the reps have left open the possibility the show may return. But a spokesman for Paramount denied to SCI FI Wire that such talks are taking place, adding definitively: 'That is not true. The decision to end the show is final,'" announces the SCI FI Channel news service.

Trek United Head of Public Relations, Candice McCallie, spoke in a separate interview. "I think it's probably a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. I mean, it's a large company, of course, and we've talked to a couple of different people there. Now, as far as whatever they're telling you, my guess is, you know, we've tried to be as open as possible about it. Maybe telling people that we're talking with Paramount was a mistake. But... until something is signed sealed on the dotted line, they're not going to say anything different from what they said back in February."

SCI FI notes that McCallie won't identify TU's contacts at Paramount, only that they're "people above the producers."

"Just because he doesn't know what is going on doesn't mean that we haven't talked to someone or spoken to someone about the possibility of the show coming back. ... Obviously, if the possibility wasn't there, they wouldn't fool with us. They would never even acknowledge our existence. I mean, what would be the point?" continued McCallie.

Nearly US$140-thousand in cash, and $3-million in anonymous pledges, has been raised by the campaign to purchase a guarantee of a 5th season of ENTERPRISE from Paramount. Should the series not be renewed, donors are promised a refund, "except for the 5 percent handling fee to cover the banks and PayPal and all that kind of stuff." Trek United also generates income through online merchandising, e.g. Amazon.com.

A spin-off from the Save Enterprise group, the Trek United campaign collected monies prior to incorporation. SCI FI observes that fans at the official STAR TREK bulletin board are concerned about the organization. "The legally binding document is there," McCallie responds. "It's all open on the Internet. All of our names are out there. ... We've [been] pretty open about the whole entire thing. Our only goal is to try to get the show back, and we're spending a lot of time and a lot of work and a lot of money out of pocket, and there's no reason for us to do that if we can't get the show back, because, obviously, we've got a legally binding agreement with the contributions. So there is no danger of our embezzling the money or anything like that." TrekToday has officially suspended all discussion of TU in its fora, due to inappropriate conduct from the group.

Read the original report at SCI FI Wire.

"I can assure you that the source with whom I spoke was in a position to speak for the company," Patrick Lee, News Editor for SCI FI Wire, has told TU. "If officials of Trek United would like to identify the people with whom they are having conversations, I could do a follow up story that confirms their assertions.

"Everyone I have ever spoken with, on the record and off the record, has said the show is done, fini, kaput, and that includes actors, producers, writers, UPN and Paramount people, and on and on and on."



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By: Chronic Harlot (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:09:06 on Apr 11, 2005

Trek United's lies have finally caught up with them. I could actaully see legal action taken against them (and they would deserve it), so, if they were smart, they would disappear and shut the hell up.

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Trek United | Report this post to moderator
By: vulcan3426 (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:25:40 on Apr 08, 2005

As a proud supporter of Trek United and Star Trek: Enterprise, I wish to comment that Trek United is indeed negotiating with Paramount.

For more information please contact info@trekunited.com


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RE: Conflicting | Report this post to moderator
By: Spaceman Spiff (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:25:55 on Apr 08, 2005

sure its 'possible', but that doesnt make it likely.

The Trek United people were all talking about how the sets being just 'folded' at Paramount was a 'sign', now they say Paramount taking them off the lot is a 'sign'. Previously they took the rumor of the sets being moved to Vancouver as a sign and Paramount denying the rumor as yet another sign

It seems ther isnt anything that isnt a sign that the show is coming back.

but you have to ask yourself, if Paramount were leaving its options open for Season 5 would they empty the stages and fire everyone who has been on staff for 18 years?


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And Yet Trek United continue to solicit money | Report this post to moderator
By: Spaceman Spiff (Odo's file, contact) @ 04:11:05 on Apr 08, 2005

I liked Enterprise and I wish it came back. But after seeing empty stages and reading this it is clear it isnt.

And it is clear that TU are not being entirely forthcoming in their solicitations of money.


I wish they would stop telling stories and asking for money it is getting quite unseemly.


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On top of that... | Report this post to moderator
By: DS9 Fan (Odo's file, contact) @ 03:17:05 on Apr 08, 2005

...Star Trek.com has pictures of Stage 8 and 9(the sets Enterprise is located on), and they're empty. The sets have been torn down. I doubt Trek United is telling the truth about a 5th season, because now there would be no way of doing it except to build brand new sets.


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    By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:37:37 on Apr 08, 2005

    Quote from DS9 Fan:
    Star Trek.com has pictures of Stage 8 and 9(the sets Enterprise is located on), and they're empty. The sets have been torn down.


    Recent word from an ENT insider (JPRyan) who's been correct about what's happening with the sets...

    "The orig game plan was to take the main sets apart very carefully for possible reuse at some unknown date. The change now is to not save items like flooring, neutral walls, and lesser used sets. Most of the bridge and sickbay sets were saved. As the take down picks up speed the crews are under more pressure to meet the deadline set by Paramount. Remember, every day those stages stay out of use thousands of dollars in rent money to the studio is lost. As to selling parts of the sets off to fans I am sure there are copyright, liability, control of future use, and resale issues that Paramount's lawyers are concerned about."

    Photos taken April 5, 2005...


    Stage 8: formerly Sickbay, Crew Quarters, Mess Hall.
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    Stage 9: used for 'swing' sets.
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    Stage 18: formerly Bridge, Engineering, Shuttlebay.
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    Stage 18: Bridge location, where Travis (Mayweather) once sat.
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    By: BrainAndBrainWhatIsBrain (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 08:03:44 on Apr 08, 2005

    I think it is a real longshot, nearly impossible to turn the ship at this point; but I would be in agreement with the more optimistic folks on TrekUnited that the removal of sets does not mean that it could not be revived.

    I very much doubt that these sets were destroyed, merely broken down and stored. There are those rumors of being moved too. With the exception of TOS, none of the main sets have been completely destroyed except for possibly the command center and promenade on DS9, no?

    The thing is that Paramount will make a Trek again, and they know that. Most of the sets for all the treks have been redressed to fit the other shows. These sets will all be useful if in fact a future movie is a prequel to Kirk.

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By: BrainAndBrainWhatIsBrain (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 00:05:16 on Apr 08, 2005 | Edit History (1)

I would really like to see a season five. As good as season four was, five could be even better, even if they could just agree on thirteen to twenty episodes.

After years of whiney bitching about B&B throughout trekdom, we will see one of them removed from Trek as Braga goes to threshold, finally we will see if that makes a difference. Manny and the Stevenses would make a terrific season.

All of that said, I think the chances are looking about impossible for a season five. Paramount almost seems to be enjoying the end of Enterprise, and the promotion toward the end is like none of the other series enders. Sure, we are still weeks away, but it sounds like that even on the set it was just a letdown. As much as I want to beleive that TrekUnited is making a difference, I cannot believe they are. Their fundraising is stalled at < 150k, (taking out the anomoly $3 million but a single group).

I personally don't like the idea of paying Paramount to make a season anyway, since I have been paying Paramount through my viewership and loyalty for all of my 37 years. I have bought a lot of overpriced videos, dvds, books and merchandise-- now I am expected to pay Paramount directly?

I will gladly watch season 5, and if TrekUnited is successful, congratulations and thank you. I will continue to go to the movies and buy the dvds (although I am done with $100 season packs). And I will be on Trekweb and startrek.com next season as well as tomorrow regardless of renewal.

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By: EntFan! (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:41:11 on Apr 07, 2005

Aaah, this isn't permanent death...there's too much money too be made. Franchises are always a gold mine in one way or another.

So sooner or later someone's gonna be sitting around at Paramount's office twiddeling their thumbs and say "HOLY SHIT! We own the rights to Star Trek, we need a new series!".

The primary problem is "how long" and "who will do it?".

I mean hell, if Trek could survive the gap between TOS and TNG (even though there were movies intermitten between) then hell, Trek fans everywhere can last two or three years without a series...

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    By: katefan (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:53:40 on Apr 08, 2005

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    I mean hell, if Trek could survive the gap between TOS and TNG (even though there were movies intermitten between)...

    And you are forgetting The Animated Series. Even though it is not canon it still aired.

    Ah, beloved Animated Series, you never get the respect you are due...

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      By: EntFan! (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:36:42 on Apr 08, 2005

      Even though I am not a fan of anime as per the thread going on in "The Shore Leave" forum, there is merit to the fact that cartoons are starting to become serious oriented...now would be a good time for a new animated Trek series for sure!

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Enterpise talks real | Report this post to moderator
By: Qkey (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:35:20 on Apr 07, 2005

Hi,

I'm new here but I have heard about the talks with Paroumount though people both in Trekunited and at Parmount. You are just being naysayers and want trek to die, as we were told at trekunited that we will hear the News about Enterprise getting a 5th season from Sci-fi wire in a cupple of day or weeks.....and Stephen Hawking is invovled now so I am more apt to belive my sources and not you naysayers and people who don't want trekunited to succed.

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    By: TRexx (Odo's file, contact) @ 02:11:28 on Apr 08, 2005

    Quote from Qkey:
    .....and Stephen Hawking is invovled now so I am more apt to belive my sources and not you naysayers and people who don't want trekunited to succed.


    Trek United plucked a comment from somewhere and contrived a self-serving interpretation. Here's what TU quotes Stephen Hawking as saying (my highlighting)...

    "Having been on the Enterprise, I'm sad that those on planet Earth should not know of its adventures."

    Hawking's "the" and "its" refer to Enterprise 1701-D in the retired TNG series. Hawking hasn't been on the NX-01 Enterprise, so his quote can't even be tied to ENT, let alone presumed as "support" for the SE/TU campaign.


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    By: Sxottlan (Odo's file, contact) @ 01:09:32 on Apr 08, 2005

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    I'm new here but I have heard about the talks with Paroumount though people both in Trekunited and at Parmount. You are just being naysayers and want trek to die, as we were told at trekunited that we will hear the News about Enterprise getting a 5th season from Sci-fi wire in a cupple of day or weeks.....and Stephen Hawking is invovled now so I am more apt to belive my sources and not you naysayers and people who don't want trekunited to succed.

    Whaaaa?


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      By: Garak11 (Odo's file, contact) @ 06:53:41 on Apr 08, 2005

      I've said this before, and maybe it should have been said more strongly.

      TU is going beyond being an embarrassment (the "Secret talks" are kind of like Nixon's "Secret plan" to end the VietNam war, to being an out and out scam. What are they going to ask for next? Donations to buy land in Arizona?

      It's sad to see con artists play on the hopes of loyal Trek fans.

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        By: Sxottlan (Odo's file, contact) @ 01:07:02 on Apr 09, 2005

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        TU is going beyond being an embarrassment to being an out and out scam.

        Agreed. This whole trainwreck has been an absolute embarrassment that has taken fandom to a new low. Even the forum it was basically created on has now banned talk of it (as misguided as that is).

        It is now starting to take on the feel of a cult with the constant denial of any and all news bits that go against their goal. But what else could it have become when money became involved? Beforehand, there was at least an appearance of charming naivete with fan movements, but with these apparent lies left and right, it's becoming rather sordid.


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By: EntFan! (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:15:34 on Apr 07, 2005 | Edit History (1)

I don't want to see the show go. I mean, it maybe the a long time till a Trek show is on the air. Which stinks. But the factor remains after all I've learned in this industry is that sometimes, somethings are for the best....ah well, it was fun while it lasted...


EDIT: I just noticed the rejected thing up in the corner...man, talk about rubbing salt in the wound...oh well...

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    By: ULTiMA (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:39:10 on Apr 07, 2005

    Regardless of what happens , Enterprise is now over for good , which is a bit of a pity and a shame it has got to this.
    Two cancelled series in Startreks history , Dunno how Star Trek can come back now.. I reckon they should have at least made another season.. 4 is not enuff ..Look what happen to Babylon 5 , after they canned Crusade , it did a lot of damage with the fans , They cant even make a sucessfull Telemovie now without it getting cancelled.
    I hope Star Trek doesnt get into this phase , but I feel that maybe this is the beginning of the end of Trek :(

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    By: ULTiMA (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:38:53 on Apr 07, 2005

    Regardless of what happens , Enterprise is now over for good , which is a bit of a pity and a shame it has got to this.
    Two cancelled series in Startreks history , Dunno how Star Trek can come back now.. I reckon they should have at least made another season.. 4 is not enuff ..Look what happen to Babylon 5 , after they canned Crusade , it did a lot of damage with the fans , They cant even make a sucessfull Telemovie now without it getting cancelled.
    I hope Star Trek doesnt get into this phase , but I feel that maybe this is the beginning of the end of Trek :(

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    By: lnformed (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:31:11 on Apr 07, 2005 | Edit History (1)

    --But the factor remains after all I've learned in this industry--

    The funniest thing you've ever said.

    You ridicule others and brag about having 10 years of "film" experience, yet you just got out of film school. Of course, if you had any real respect for film, you wouldn't be bragging about getting an INTERNSHIP at a studio that says film is obsolete. Of course, internships are nothing to brag about anyway in that field, since it's just slave labor. Though it does explain why you would be bitter that that trailer got more attention than any camcorder "projects" you've ever made. And if you had any taste in film and television, you wouldn't be proclaiming to be a fan of the most critically reviled Trek show in the history of the franchise (Enterprise), as well as one of the most critically reviled movies in history (Vlad).

    --ULTIMATE PROOF THAT NO FAN SHOULD BE IN CHARGE OF STAR TREK--

    ULITIMATE PROOF THAT ENTFAN! IS A LIAR WITH NO CREDIBILITY:

    EntFan!, you call OTHER people "assholes" after using an antagonistic, gutless, trolling sig link. Just like when someone asked politely for you not to have such a large picture in your sig, then like a gutless jerk you respond with "No."

    It's bad enough your sig LINK is a proven lie from a proven liar.

    Your lying sig link also proves your comment of "But, regardless, fighting for something that you enjoy is never pointless or ridiculous." is nothing but two-faced lying, too.

    Did any of the people that made that trailer say they wanted to be "in charge"? Nope. So that's a proven lie on your part.

    Did they say that the storyline in the trailer was what they wanted? Nope. Their website even states it's NOT what they want to have for a real storyline. So that's another proven lie on your part.

    You also lied that you emailed them and they stated their trailer was a serious storyline. Liar.

    Other comments you have made illustrate your sig has an AGENDA behind it, and nothing more.

    Which certainly explains why you can't back up your sig link with evidence.

    You have an agenda, period. Berman and Braga did things YOUR way, and now ENT is CANCELLED. All thanks to people like you. Hope you're happy!

    Then you try to backpedal on THAT, by stating that ENT will live on thanks to Fan Fiction. Which is another hypocritical LIE on your part. Your trolling sig link proves you don't care about Fan projects one bit.

    You call other people "losers", then you make (as many have said) one of the most pathetic threads in the history of the BBS: "I got laid!" Then you try to backpedal and say it was in jest because you "fell in love" with some slut that nailed you on the first date. And if you comprehended what love was, you would have had more respect for that whore than to create that embarrassing thread in the first place. But that's to be expected of someone that can't even make a marriage last for three years. People have girlfriends longer than that!

    But that's to be expected of someone who believes a mythical ghost in the clouds created the universe. Undeniable evidence shows your bible is nonsense, yet you ignore it and live a lie, just like you lie in your sig link.

    So call people "Assholes" all you want. You're a proven hypocrite, a proven liar, a proven loser, a proven simp, and you will never, EVER, back up your sig link with evidence, or back up your trolling.


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By: Gary P (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:24:45 on Apr 07, 2005

I have very mixed feelings about this campaign. I applaud the effort, and if the show comes back, I will definitely watch. Part of me is on the other side of the fence, however. I mean, let's say the show improves moreso in hypothetical season 5. That would be wonderful, but I feel like the show would be patching holes in a dam full of leaks. If the structure is unsound, why not tear down and rebuild, which it would seem is what Paramount is doing with this hiatus. Then come back full force in a few years and REALLY turn people's heads. This current effort will not do that.


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    By: m5multitronic (Odo's file, contact) @ 00:21:03 on Apr 08, 2005

    UPN or Paramount/Viacom doing anything at all to "turn people's heads" with the Star Trek franchise seems far-fetched to me, at the very best....

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    By: Sabotman (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:09:19 on Apr 07, 2005

    If you haven't heard, Paramount took the sets down & stored them.
    They've done that since ST:TMP, ever see those lights shooting through 2 tubes-?, well they turn up all over, ST:TWoK, Voyager [season 7!] even in Airplane II.
    Paramount has no idea what they may use it for so they store it.
    Maybe it will be part of a new amusment park ride who knows?
    The sets are struck, the cast looking for work, Enterprise my friend is over.
    If we're lucky, it may come back one day.


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