Personally, I find it a little creepy when people talk about having a "relationship" with a TV show. I like Star Trek and almost all of its "sequels". I've been a fan since the original series premiered in 1966, but it's one of MANY shows I've enjoyed watching over the years.
I'm a fan of the new BSG too, but I'm intelligent and perceptive enough NOT to compare it to Star Trek. It's apples and oranges. It's like comparing "Starsky and Hutch" with "Miami Vice." Both are cop shows, both center around two partners, but stylistically, both couldn't be any more different. And I'm a fan of both as well.
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GEt outta here?
Jevenile!
Seems like you are still in denial. You can stand by Enterprise all you want but the fact is, if it had been better it might be back for another year. You are one of the few that embraced it but is that because you thought it was good or just because you are loyal to Trek.
I played that game all through Voyager. I kept saying, it's Trek, I need to stand behind it even though it wasnt good and I decided when Enterprise came on and let me down with the same lazy storytelling that I wasnt going to be duped again. I am guessing that most people thought that. We gave them the benefit of the doubt with Voyager but most people gave up after Enterprise turned out to be much the same.
Time to grow up now and be objective Hbasm.
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Calling BSG a success and ENT a failure is really stretching the truth
No. BSG is an unqualified success, garnering for a cable station higher number than ENT could manage on a "free" station. And, ya know another difference? People are excited about BSG. It has people talking, people checking it out.
How many people have been excited about ENT since Broken Bow??? Not many. What's to get excited about??? Two dimensional people you can't relate to because their actions make no sense. Characters that exist to service the script???
No thanks.
In BSG the characters matter. Stories are written anround the people, not the other way around just so we can fill 43 minutes.
BSG is different. Not everyone's cup of tea, granted, but in every measurable sense it's superior to ENT...and Voyager for that matter. I may not buy the notion that it's the best sci-fi series ever...but it's the best on TV today. As I said in the BSG room, even knowing the spoilers for the finale it was so well-crafted I STILL jumped when the first shot was fired.
That is the product you get when people actually care about what goes on screen.
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but the worst part is when some "trekkers" go on and praise BSG and didn't have much positive to say about ENT
I have plenty of positives to point out about ENT....S4. It is what S1 should have been. The first 3 were swill. Period. And I resent you. I'm a Trekker. Have been watching TOS since the age of 5...was there to see every hour produced since.
I love GOOD Trek, always have and always will.You really ARE a troll because apparently you WOULD watch Star Trek: The Stick Figure Cartoon if that's what they gave you.
I, on the other hand would argue that's what we got already with most of ENT.
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Then get outta here, once and for all!
In response I offer the words of the immortal Col. Jack O'Neill: Bite me.
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Its like betraying your loved one, and sleeping with another woman. I'm committed to Trek and I live in a monogame relationship with Trek. I won't be involved with a non-Trek show. No chance
Then you're missing out. Then, in fact, when you know NOTHING of what you speak you are in NO POSITION AT ALL to slam BSG or any other show.
Quite frankly, the above statement shreds your credibility and honestly causes me to question your relationship with reality.
Seek help.
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Calling BSG a success and ENT a failure is really stretching the truth but the worst part is when some "trekkers" go on and praise BSG and didn't have much positive to say about ENT. Then get outta here, once and for all! Its like betraying your loved one, and sleeping with another woman. I'm committed to Trek and I live in a monogame relationship with Trek. I won't be involved with a non-Trek show. No chance! Those of you who disagree with me, so be it, but you should know what it means to be a true trek fan.
This is a troll, right? If not (or even if so), this is one of the silliest statements I've heard within fandom. I was under the impression that fans watched shows because they enjoyed them, not because they'd entered into some sort of exclusive contract by which one show is entitled (!) to their full devotion. Star Trek is a product, I am a consumer, and I reserve the right to embrace or reject said product at any time.
And speaking as a "true trek fan" with 30 years of active participation in Trek fandom, I consider the new BSG to be head and shoulders above ENT at just about every level. I will always have affection for TOS, TNG, DS9, and even some eps of ENT. But no way am I going to fall into the mindset that they somehow *deserve* my support, particularly at the expense of other good shows out there.
"I like hamburgers. I'm committed to only eating hamburgers, and won't be involved with a non-hamburger food item." Sheesh.
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Never before have things been so much the way they are now.
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some "trekkers" go on and praise BSG and didn't have much positive to say about ENT. Then get outta here, once and for all! Its like betraying your loved one, and sleeping with another woman.
No, no, no, no. It's ok to criticize something you love, when you know it could be better. I'm talking about Trek in general.
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I won't be involved with a non-Trek show
What a limited view!!! You've missed the whole spirit of Trek!!!
Get a grip!
I loved TOS, TNG and DS9 the last two treks were crap. Me saying that does not betray my appreciation for the aforementioned shows nor does my appreciation for BSG. Beside BSG feels to me like DS9 with the freedom of being on cable. The parallels between the 2 shows are so many that it feels like I am getting more of what I loved back in the 90s. The politics, paranoia are similar and it adds a slightly more "adult" edge. ENT was boring until recently yet BSG had me hooked from the mini.
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Calling BSG a success and ENT a failure is really stretching the truth but the worst part is when some "trekkers" go on and praise BSG and didn't have much positive to say about ENT. Then get outta here, once and for all! Its like betraying your loved one, and sleeping with another woman. I'm committed to Trek and I live in a monogame relationship with Trek. I won't be involved with a non-Trek show. No chance! Those of you who disagree with me, so be it, but you should know what it means to be a true trek fan.
Well, I don't agree with your interpretation of what it means to be a Trekker. At the end of the day, if it isn't any good, then it isn't any good. I still really really like vast sections of Star Trek, though Voyager will forever leave me cold. The shame of Enterprise is that by the time it worked out what it should have done from day one it had lost the casual audience and was doomed.
Being a Trekker does NOT mean you can't be fanatical about other shows. I'm a Trekker, and a Whovian, and a whatever you call a fan of the new BSG. Being a fan is not like being in a marriage, and even if it was then it can't be all one way.
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