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By: cooper2000 (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:37:14 on Mar 09, 2005

When was the last time Sci Fi was successful on a main network?
Do mainstream audiences know Spiner? I dont think he is much of a Draw.
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Braga.

This show will be generic, no character development (he doesnt like story arcs)and probably have every Sci Fi cliche in the book.


I love Sci Fi but with Bragas name on it, I wont even give it a chance and I have a feeling most people who know he brought down the franchise we love, will not watch either.

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  By: Krazy Joe (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:39:25 on Mar 09, 2005

  !) This season. Abc's Lost.
  
  2) Do mainstream audiences care about stars? No one on ABC's Lost or Desperate Hosewives is a big name but both shows are ratings hits.
  
  3) Braga is a good writer (All Good Things, First Contact). Just because he burned out on TREK long ago (and burnout he did!!!) doesn't mean he won't do well with something new.

  
  

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By: Archangel (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:16:08 on Mar 09, 2005 | (1)

"Brannon Braga's new 'Threshold'"

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By: falcon (Odo's file, contact) @ 06:06:25 on Mar 09, 2005

Brent Spiner, Charles S. Dutton and Carla Gugino. The biggest thing Dutton has ever done is "Alien 3", and let's not forget his short-lived sitcom "Roc."

As for Carla Gugino, she was "Karen Sisco" for all of 10 episodes...and don't forget her work on the unforgettable "Spy Kids" movies.

That's the kind of cast that's going to make me watch this show? Let alone the premise and the creator/producer? I think not. Spiner's probably the biggest name on that list with his body of STAR TREK work alone, and even that's not enough to make me watch.

I'll be saving my pennies for the STAR TREK DVDs, thank you very much. Time to go back into mid-'70s "No Trek" mode.

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  By: Krazy Joe (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:43:15 on Mar 09, 2005

  Not watching Threshold will not help you save your penney's for Trek DVDs. CBS is network TV and watching network television doesn't cost anything.
  
  Your commentary on the cast is ridiculous. Karen Cisco was a critically acclaimed show, and Roc was not short lived, it lasted three seasons.

  
  

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  By: rumandchocolate (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:10:54 on Mar 09, 2005

  While it certainly didn't reap Seinfeld or Friends longevity... Roc dis last three years, not exactly "short-lived." Not to mention that the show was critically acclaimed and did a daring all-live run for a season. Dutton is a highly respected actor in his field.
  
  As for the Spy Kids films being "unforgettable"... hardly! There were THREE films in the series. And again, Karen Sisco was a highly acclaimed show.

  
  

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  By: Chronic Harlot (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 08:06:24 on Mar 09, 2005

  I think you are trying a little too hard to find everything wrong with Braga's new show.
  
  And Your assesment of Charles Dutton is patently rediculous. Either you dont watch anything except Sci-Fi, or simply talking out of your ass.
  
  Here's some of this man's work (besides Alien 3 and Roc):
  A Time to Kill
  Rudy
  Menace to Society
  Oz
  The Sopranos
  Homicide
  A Man Called Hawk (w/Avery Brooks)
  
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So are we going to see this? | Report this post to moderator
By: Dukat (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 22:31:05 on Mar 08, 2005

Will the pilot even make it to air? Most pilots do not make it to TV ever. Is there already an agreement to air this as a TV movie and then option the series?

Of course if season 5 comes around and the pilot flops, at least Braga could come back and help out on season 5.

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  By: falcon (Odo's file, contact) @ 05:58:28 on Mar 09, 2005

  Good Lord, I hope you're joking.
  
  Do you realize that "Threshold" will be Braga's only non-STAR TREK television credit? Have you looked him up on IMDB lately? The last thing we need is someone who's been to the well one too many times, to come BACK to STAR TREK.
  
  Hell, let's face it: Even Roddenberry's ideas began to get really stale after ST:TMP. In fact, if you read "Inside Star Trek" by Herb Solow and Bob Justman, he started to get stale during the run of the original series. Gene Coon, John D. F. Black, Dorothy Fontana, and others kept the series on track despite Roddenberry's ramblings.
  
  And you think Braga was bad about time travel -- Roddenberry wanted to write a story where Kirk & Co. go back to 1963 and prevent President Kennedy's assassination! And he harped on this story idea almost until the day he died. That was a story with no resolution...how do you change the past and not reap the consequences?
  
  No, Braga needs to concentrate on "Threshold" and leave STAR TREK behind...and when his series tanks, he'll be just another unemployed TV hack writer and producer, with not much on his resume.
  
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    By: Dukat (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 14:41:50 on Mar 09, 2005

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    Hell, let's face it: Even Roddenberry's ideas began to get really stale after ST:TMP. In fact, if you read "Inside Star Trek" by Herb Solow and Bob Justman, he started to get stale during the run of the original series. Gene Coon, John D. F. Black, Dorothy Fontana, and others kept the series on track despite Roddenberry's ramblings.
    
    How DARE YOU! I have raised this point before when folks think that B&B should go and we should get back to Roddenberry's vision. Roddenberry's vision was the first 2 seasons of TNG, and that blew. He deserves credit for the Trek universe and some great stories, but he was run dry man; and he also got a little too utopian in how he viewed Trek.
    
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      By: Krazy Joe (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:47:38 on Mar 09, 2005

      You are 100% correct, but Berman has clearly run dry, too.
      
      Berman does not deserve the grief he gets from the fans. He DID INDEED save Next Generation from it's own creator (Berman's seasons 3 -7 were much better then Gene's 1 and 2) but Voyager, Nemesis, and the 1st two seasons of Enterprise clearly show he has run out of ideas too. There is no shame in that -- it happens. The true shame is that paramount refuses to replace him with someone who isn't creativly bankrupt yet.

      
      

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  By: dropdeadnelixx (Odo's file, contact) @ 04:59:50 on Mar 09, 2005

  Nice try.

  
  

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Oh how original | Report this post to moderator
By: ULTiMA (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:33:31 on Mar 08, 2005

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The new series focuses on a team of scientists and military personnel who make contact with alien lifeforms.

I think thats already been done "kids" and its already been well thrashed.. Its called "Stargate"


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  By: ULTiMA (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:34:33 on Mar 08, 2005

  sorry for the extra posts .. dunno what happen there ,,lol
  
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By: ULTiMA (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:33:23 on Mar 08, 2005

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The new series focuses on a team of scientists and military personnel who make contact with alien lifeforms.

I think thats already been done "kids" and its already been well thrashed.. Its called "Stargate"


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  By: fx7 (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:55:11 on Mar 08, 2005

  Yeah and it was even better the first time around when iot was called Star Trek. ;)

  
  

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By: ULTiMA (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:31:56 on Mar 08, 2005

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The new series focuses on a team of scientists and military personnel who make contact with alien lifeforms.

I think thats already been done "kids" and its already been well thrashed.. Its called "Stargate"


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By: EntFan! (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:29:37 on Mar 08, 2005

I'll give it three episodes, if THRESHOLD hasn't nabbed me by three eps, then Im done.

The really sad thing will be if this show is just extremely UBER popular, then all our feelings about Brannon would have been wrong...that would suck...

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By: JediFonger (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:16:17 on Mar 08, 2005

why is he playing a retreat of the character he is already played in id4?

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  By: Vanishing2Blue (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:49:34 on Mar 08, 2005

  Better than a new character that sucks.

  
  

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By: Spaceman Spiff (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:14:55 on Mar 08, 2005

is this a kind of 'peace offering' on the part of Paramount and Viacom.

We took away your Trek, but here we have a shiney new scifi show with Data....now stop bugging us!

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By: Chris Pike (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:41:53 on Mar 08, 2005

Man, Spiner is -not- aging well.

In fact, of the cast, only Stewart seems to be bearing up well under the years.

I mean, I suppose Sirtis looks "good", but it's so clearly stretched and plastic that it's almost worse than seeing Riker.

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  By: Tupperfan (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:48:29 on Mar 08, 2005 | (1)

  Bah, he's not that bad, we're just used to all the yellow and the hair piece...same thing with Michael Dorn when seen without prosthetics.
  
  I think Gates McFadden is aging pretty well. The key word is "age", they are getting older, everybody does and I don't think it's gross. I actually don't think any of the TNG cast looks too bad. Of course you might get a little bigger, but it happens. Who knows, it might happen to you!
  
  I heard Snoop Dog saying "It's cool to grow old" not that long ago. Don't know him a lot, but those are wise words!
  
  
  
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  By: Sam Cogley (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:19:10 on Mar 08, 2005

  I don't think LeVar Burton has aged too badly.
  
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By: Vanishing2Blue (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:39:46 on Mar 08, 2005

I'll be glad to see Brent back in action again. He did a great job distinguishing himself as Arik Soong. Can't wait to see what he'll be doing in Threshold.

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