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By: BermanH8R (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:47:45 on Jun 30, 2005 | (1)

I'm not familiar with Erik Jendresen or his work, which is probably a good thing, since the last film (which was a major piece of crap) was written by an academy award winner. Now, all this film needs are two big change behind the scenes- the immediate dismissal of Rick Berman, and the return of Nick Meyer as director and possible co- screenwriter.

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By: cooper2000 (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:38:36 on Feb 25, 2005

If Berman is still involved in the movie and the movie is going to be about characters we have never seen before, this movie is going to be a BIG bomb.
They should have waited until Berman was gone.
Doesn't Paramount even listen to fans???

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By: joshua.e (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:52:10 on Feb 25, 2005

If you would like to have good storey, start the show with comedy and end with comedy, and I promise you it will be a hit. if I am wrong sue me and if right sent me some.
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By: Locutus (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:46:56 on Feb 25, 2005

I liked Band of Brothers and am very encouraged to here that he will be working on Trek XI. At the same time, I readily acknowledge dx31701. I had very positive feelings concerning John Logan too, but Trek X did not turn out as well as I expected. That being said I am not entirely convinced that Star Trek: Nemesis' failure can be attributed as much to the story as to the editing or pacing of the final film. A lot of the problems with Trek X for me was how it was played out on screen. Two things that could have helped Nemesis are if: a.) Patrick Stewart had played both Picard and Shinzon, and b.) They hired a talented director who is also true to the franchise. Something about the way Nemesis was directed/edited seemed disfunctional.

The stories that Erik Jendresen wrote for BandOfBrothers were well told. IMDB indicates that he wrote parts 1, 5, and 10. These were some of my favorite installments in this series. While I would never have guessed Jendresen to write Trek XI, his selection is in no way for me discouraging.

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By: dx31701 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 10:07:50 on Feb 25, 2005 | (1)

OK, so Band of Brothers is critically acclaimed, but good dramatic credentials don't always mean much...

Witness Akiva Goldsman, who wrote the award winning A Beautiful Mind, but also wrote Batman and Robin, as well as Lost in Space...

John Logan is up for an Oscar for writing The Aviator, but also wrote Star Trek Nemesis.

A no-name could write a fantastic movie, a well-considered writer could write garbage. Neither of these thing is necessarily rare.

I still say it's hard to separate out the studio, producers, directors and writers and peg someone who is Clearly Talented And Responsible for an on-screen production. In cinema, primary responsibility will go with the director, in TV ultimate responsibility is probably with the show-running producer, but it is always a collaborative effort with countless factors and contributors that define the final project.

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  By: Scorned (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:11:47 on Feb 25, 2005

  I agree. Just because he wrote Band Of Brothers doesn't mean he can turn out a good Scifi movie.
  
  Just because one is a writer doesn't mean they can write award winning material in all fields. Certain writers are better in some areas (ie dramas) then in others (ie comedy). I think they are just trying to hype it up with this announcement. The real answer is going to lie with the story. If they stick to that stupid prequel movie idea (ie Star Wars wanna be) then this movie will blow like the last ones.
  
  

  
  

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    By: The TREKMAN!!!!! (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:27:28 on Feb 25, 2005

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    That may be true, but it also doesn't mean he can't turn out a good Scifi movie.
    
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By: W Epemenundus Edrastus Blab (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:56:12 on Feb 25, 2005

And I trust writers. The script will be solid. We can probably expect a Nick Myer "Nautical but Nice" without the nice so much/ Master and Commander/WWII Submarine-style sci-fi movie. It may even be natural to down play the fact that it's a Star Trek film. Let that be the hype be a non-Trekkie Trek movie.

Since we wont have famaliar characters its going to feel that way anyway. TrekII was gloriosu not becasue of the space battles (otherwise NEM would have sailed) but becasue of the character dynamics. They need to borrown from Master and Commander and root the film heavily in the characters, not the plot or the technology or the fx.

It may not have much continuity porn. Jenderesen doesnt seem like a Trek fan. But there is no reason continuity cant be air tight. Star ships flinging nuclear missels at oneantoher would make it seem more accesable to non-fan audiences. It could also tap into the current political relavance over issues of our militirization of space, the fact that we (USA) are beginnging to declare ownership of space and the conflicts that will rise form that.

In any case, I dont see how this film could suck as much as the last four.


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  By: OkeydokeyObi (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:54:25 on Feb 26, 2005

  then I ain't gonna see it. It's as simple as that. Why? Because "fatigue" of the current characters has absolutely nothing to do with why the franchise is failing. If they dont understand that, then I want no part of it. Berman can go flip himself.
  
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  By: Scorned (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:01:51 on Feb 25, 2005

  Quote:"In any case, I dont see how this film could suck as much as the last four. "
  
  Answer: 3 simple words....Director Rick Berman
  
  

  
  

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    By: The TREKMAN!!!!! (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:14:44 on Feb 25, 2005

    Berman won't direct it! If they got a good writer onboard, they'll probably get a good director too. Hey, maybe Berman might be smart enough to get Meyer. I doubt though.
    
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      By: Cap'n Calhoun (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:59:00 on Feb 25, 2005

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      I'd like to think so, but I have to agree with Locutus about Nemesis above: John Logan had a solid script that was damaged by a director that didn't understand the material.
      
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      By: Scorned (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:12:51 on Feb 25, 2005

      Produce/Direct whatever. Berman is involved and all of you people will go see his latest piece of shit. After several bad movies, a few crappy series you people just sit there and lap it all up. No wonder Trek has gone stagnet.
      
      Quote:"they'll probably get a good director too."
      
      Oh yes how about the guy that the "Free Willy" movies? This motley crue of people already doesn't impress me (ie the Inspector Gadget, Miami Vice guy).
      
      Remind me sell off my stocks in Paramount.
      

      
      

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        By: StarWorld (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:23:48 on Feb 25, 2005 | (1)

        For once Scorn (And I hate to say this.. lol) but I completely agree with you. Logan is/was a fine writer and has shown that he can write well but Trek X was a mess due to a terrible producer and a even worse director.
        
        The only way another Trek movie would work is with a completely different Producer and a WELL established director. Not some guy who did editing on Tomb Raider (rolls eyes).
        
        This guy maybe a good writer but as a previous poster said a writer can do something amazing on one project and then write complete crap the next. Doing another trek movie would take a team effort, and we all want a new team. (well most of us, Cotto can come back only if no one else from that friggin staff comes with him, but that's for a different thread)

        
        

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By: Chronic Harlot (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 08:26:16 on Feb 25, 2005

Okay, so is everyone going to stop mutturing "Who the hell is Eric Genderson?" now?

And is somebody going to acknowledge what boobs they were for passing judgement on this man's credentials, when they were searching the internet for the wrong name?

Oh, and is somebody going to honestly sit here and tell me that being the writer of "Band of Brothers" isn't one hell of a resume, for Erik Jendersen?

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  By: Scorned (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:00:05 on Feb 25, 2005

  Quote:"And is somebody going to acknowledge what boobs they were for passing judgement on this man's credentials, when they were searching the internet for the wrong name?"
  
  There is no reason for anyone to admit they were wrong about questioning Eric's creditials because THEY (not the fans) spelt the name wrong. The incorrect spelling yield nothing. John Smith vs John Smithe are TWO different people. Had the name been released spelt correctly it would of been different.
  
  
  Quote:"Oh, and is somebody going to honestly sit here and tell me that being the writer of "Band of Brothers" isn't one hell of a resume, for Erik Jendersen?"
  
  As a matter of fact I am not "thrilled" about this because when they got "Logan" for Nemesis. They were walking around with their heads in the clouds and look what happened. A huge flop!
  
  Unfortunately Eric joins the "band of idiots" lead by Rick Berman for STXI. This is the reason why it will fail. And WHY the hell is it that any Trek fans is willing to see another Rick Berman Trek film? ENT failed. Voy sucked. The last 2 films sucked. What is going to take for some of you to say "no thanks"?
  
  A prequel movie is going to fail because people are sick of prequels now. Also the prequel series failed so what in the hell makes anyone think that a prequel movie is going to do well? Especially being lead by the guy who failed with the prequel series. No more jumping on George Lucas Star Wars bandwagon please!
  
  
  
  
  

  
  

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    By: The TREKMAN!!!!! (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:17:50 on Feb 25, 2005

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    The last 2 films sucked
    
    What about the Generations and First Contact?
    
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      By: Locutus (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:34:24 on Feb 25, 2005

      Generations could have been WAY better; it passes, but it could have been better.
      
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    By: Sennik (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:37:46 on Feb 25, 2005

    Not only that, but the fact that this prequel idea is going to involve a cast of new characters means the general audience will not have a real good drive to go see this film. A prequel with a new cast is a terrible idea, and even an award winning writer can't change that fact. If they'd gotten Erik Jendresen to sign on board as a staff writer for a new series, I'd be a little more excited. That and the news that Berman was fired would get me jumping for joy. But the idea is still the same from what I understand. A prequel film which will feature a crew of new characters. And it'll flop miserably.

    
    

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      By: Scorned (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:03:29 on Feb 25, 2005

      Don't bother Ro still thinks his little prequel Kirk movie is great. He supports revamping TOS like Moore bastardized BSG. Some Trek fan! hahah
      
      

      
      

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By: Scorned (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:25:10 on Feb 25, 2005

I think it would be nice if some idiot suit in Paramount please explain to us why they are pulling ENT off the air under the reason of "franchise fatigue" yet they are starting to do another movie? I thought they wanted to give Trek a break.

How does this studio make money with idiots like that in charge?

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  By: Chris Pike (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:35:09 on Feb 26, 2005

  Good question.
  
  Answer? They just don't like Enterprise, don't want it on TV, and would rather blow $50 million every 3 years than $50 million a year, I guess.
  
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By: Mr. Xindi (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:15:58 on Feb 25, 2005

Are they still going to have it set at the academy? I can't say I'd like that too much.

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  By: Scorned (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:28:10 on Feb 25, 2005

  I would agree. This acacdemy movie idea really sounds like a dud. I have a feeling they are just going to try and jump on the Star Wars "war" trilogy idea. IT is sad that Trek "follows" the parade instead of trying to lead it. Of course what do you expect with Berman and the band of idiots at Paramount.
  
  There was a reason why they rejected it way back when, when Harvey pitched it. I guess Berman thinks that everyone has forgotten about Harvey so he will claim this idea as "his own".
  
  

  
  

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By: SpiritOne (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 07:52:35 on Feb 25, 2005

If this guy brings an ounce of that knowledge and INCREDIBLE writing from Band of Brothers, then Trek 11 has a chance.

Brothers is a hell of a story, and if you havent seen it, I suggest you do.

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  By: PokeTrek (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 09:15:44 on Feb 25, 2005

  Translating Band of Brothers to Trek could imply any sort of things, but dominant in my mind is a ship of close peers during the Romulan or Dominion War with action and drama galore, and hopefully less distracting apparel among the crew.
  
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    By: rumandchocolate (Odo's file, contact) @ 09:48:47 on Feb 25, 2005

    If I remember correctly, neither Meyer nor Bennet had any Trek knowledge when hired on for Wrath of Khan.

    
    

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      By: Archangel (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:51:47 on Feb 25, 2005

      That's the one thing I wonder about here -- does he have any familiarity with Star Trek?
      
      Meyer and Bennett would have had an easier time getting brushed up before starting their work, simply because at the time there were only 3 seasons (max) to study. If they're still going for some prequel Romulan Wars idea, hopefully someone is there to tell him what eps to look for, so he can brush up on relevant parts of the various series.
      
      And hopefully a dope like Berman doesn't stick his nose in too much.
      
      Or the studio doesn't have more brilliant ideas about editing the film to make the film more marketable. Say what you will about Nemesis, its script was far better than the chopped up mess that got put into the theaters.
      
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        Or the studio doesn't have more brilliant ideas about editing the film to make the film more marketable. Say what you will about Nemesis, its script was far better than the chopped up mess that got put into the theaters.
        
        I've always thought that about Nemesis. Why didnt we get to see the Directors cut. The wedding scene alone would have been tons better.
        

        
        

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          By: Terry212 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 05:59:47 on Feb 28, 2005

          Where can the original uncut screenplay be found?
          
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          By: Archangel (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:10:23 on Feb 25, 2005

          I saw parts of the script here months before I saw the movie in theaters. I had tried to forget as much as I could of the details of the spoilers -- my intention was just to see if the thing would be even remotely worthwhile, after that disaster "Insurrection", and once I'd made that determination I was content to fuzz the details over so as not to spoil things too badly, which is something I made the error of doing with TPM...
          
          Anyways, the script at least seemed decent, even if it had parts I thouht seemed hokey (dune buggy, mind rape)... and as I was watching Nemesis as *the only person in the theater* I thought, "Wow, wasn't there something here before that, like, made sense and kind of connected/explained/enriched things in this part?" Well, I was right.
          
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  By: theoren (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:27:47 on Feb 25, 2005

  And what does it have to do with Star Trek?
  You can be a brilliant writer but have no clue as for how to write a real Trek story. I think that was a main problem with last 2 Trek films...
  
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  By: Chronic Harlot (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 08:19:36 on Feb 25, 2005

  Okay, so is everyone going to stop mutturing "Who the hell is Eric Genderson?" now?
  
  And is somebody going to acknowledge what boobs they were for passing judgement on this man's credentials when they were searching the internet with his name mispelled?
  
  Oh, and is somebody going to honestly sit here and tell me that being the writer of "Band of Brothers" isn't one hell of a resume for Erik Jendersen?
  
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