This is still so depressing to read.
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"In every revolution, there's one man with a vision"
-- James T. Kirk
I'm not going to be the type thats happy about bad news such as this. This isn't exactly a time in Trek history to remember.
This is not a great thing, but the best thing. Were just saturated with Trek right now. 4 series totaling 25 seasons worth of trek. Thats a lot of viewing. I am content on watching re-runs of TNG and DS9 right now.
It's not about quantity, its about quality. And in the last number of years we have seen the quality diminish.
The demise was obvious. It's not something to celebrate. Rather we should reflect on this and believe that things will get corrected. And not overnight.
It is a sad day indeed for the Trek world. I am saddened by the demise of ENT but I saw it coming before the first show aired.
I opposed the idea of a "prequel" series as a bad idea and now my thinking has come to pass. Don't get me wrong, I want a trek series to be on at all times, but the whole ideal of a prequel just shot the timeline all to hell.
Star Trek was always about looking forward, not backwards. Brannon and Braga didn't help matters any either. And with the popularity of the Stargate series and now Battlestar Galatica, Star Trek took a major hit. And moving it to Friday just furthered its demise. Going up against the aforementioned Stargate and Galatica series would doom Star Trek to an early grave and I that has now happened.
Now what? We can only hope that the likes of B & B are taken off the series, the franchise given to new writers and staff, and that in 3-4 years time a newer and better series is developed, a sequel hopefully, going from TNG forward.
Add another failed ST show to the growing Rick Berman resume (VOYAGER, GENERATIONS, INSURRECTION, NEMESIS, ds9).
Nice going Rick, thank for fucking up the franchise.
I'm glad Shatner didn't cameo in this failed venture; he'd have only tarnished the Kirk mythos. Better save the return to Kirk for the silver screen.
... and a series short. This needed to happen with Voyager; Enterprise only exacerbated the problem.
It's going to take longer than a 3 year hiatus for Trek fans to get the bad taste out of their mouth of the Berman-Braga Regime.
Even if it's too late, at least we have Regime Change at last.
Good riddance to bad garbage.
The irony: Battlestar Galactica nailed the final coffin in Trek's coffin... ha, ha... who would I thunk it... or wait, I did about a year ago.
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"It's my duty... It's my duty as a complete and utter bastard."
- Rimmer (Timeslides, Red Dwarf)
"Your gangly attempt at being clever has been futile."
- Dieter (Dieter's Dance Party, Sprockets)
Expect a lot of rambling on my part during the next few months... Right now I'm just too depressed. Bashers: Rejoice! You won this time.
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That's a pretty jevenile response but I get the feeling that what ever is said you will still take it long.
I've been a Trek fan since I was about 10 during the first run of the show in the late 60's. Because it has been bastardized over and over, it is no longer very good anymore so people here have complained about it not just to bash it but because they wanted a Good Trek show. We arent allowed to want quality???
It's people like you that will except anything just because of the Trek name and that's really ashame. Go watch some quality Sci Fi shows like the new Battlestar Galactica or Farscape or B5 and stop your bitching twirp.
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We arent allowed to want quality???
Sure, and you are entitled to your opinion about ENT and the current state of the franchise. If you say it's getting stale, it's your opinion and that opinion is worth as much as mine.
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It's here you are wrong. You claim that we are sort of retarded. But you must understand that some people are looking for other things than you in Star Trek, and ENT meets our perception of quality. It has fulfilled our view of what Star Trek should/could be. Although the ratings show, we are not a majority these days, it doesn't make our opinion invalid. It is our taste and has nothing to do with "accepting anything just because of the Trek name".
I suppose you get it?
FARK Berman & Braga for ruining the show!!! Wish them die in hell!!!
..."STAR TREK LIVES!"
A lot of you are too young to remember when Star Trek (no bloody TNG, DS9, VOY, or ENT) was cancelled in 1969. When it left NBC, fans were determined to keep its memory alive. This led to the first Star Trek convention in New York City in 1970. A couple of hundred people were expected to attend...over 3,000 showed up.
Folks, Star Trek will never really be dead, because it embodies a lot of the things that give us hope for the future. It shows us that, if we can overcome our basic instincts, we can not only survive but thrive. If we can learn to co-exist on this planet with other humans, we can do so in space with non-humans. If we can discover the wonders of this world, we can certainly discover the wonders out there. If we, as a society, can grow up and start looking toward the future, instead of embracing the past and huddling in the corner of our room with our security blanket, we can truly become the people that Gene Roddenberry envisioned.
Star Trek: Enterprise may be gone, but it will be fondly remembered, and some day there will once again be new Star Trek to enjoy, bash, defend, pick apart, lust over, draw blueprints for, build models for, and generally look forward to.
STAR TREK LIVES!
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With regards to your comments about a Vulcan science officer who does not believe in time travel. What she is going through is a type of cognitive dissonance. This is where we lie to ourselves even in the face of overwhelming evidence. Cultists go through this, false prophets, people who want to continue to do things that are bad for them etc. This is an intelligent commentary on how people act.
I was never a fan of Enterprise, I always thought it was totally ill-conceived from go; the quibbling about how they couldn't have communicators like Kirk's because of cell phones. I mean, it's the show's universe that's important isn't it. All they had to do here was the adventures of Captain Pike-- slam dunk. Instead they added TNG technology to a pre TOS era. They tried to be anti-trek, then ended up borrowing ideas from everywhere to get the old fans back. I appreciate that, but this show just turned me off by disregarding basic tenets of the show; exploration, violence as a last resort, and most of all curiousity. How can you have a Star Trek show with a science officer who doesn't believe in time travel on a ship whose drive bends time and space in a series where the main plot is suppose to be a time war? The mind reels. This week the sets from TOS are up again. Somebody out there should look at those designs and figure out why they still work. I'm sorry for people that will be out of work and for those to whom this is the first Trek they were introduced too, but that's TV, a rough game in many ways. I wonder if in the current TV climate of tight budgets and reality shows whether a Trek that focuses on exploration can be mounted well. I think a lot of people who worked with Roddenberry thought they could do Star Trek as long as they had a ship and Starfleet, but it was never about the ship and the uniforms and stuff, even though those where designed probably as well as anyone is going to do them (TNG very well done in design) it was about the people. I mean, this crew wasn't even friends. Somebody on these boards described TOS as "flower power" in space and without all the "hippie" baggage that's about what it was-- really good people using their abilities to make stuff right and enjoying themselves at the same time. I see a lot of dreary, dour, depressing TV out there, so maybe Trek can't fit into this scheme. But who knows. But remember SNL, "It's just a TV show!"
God forgive me, and those who are going to put me through the ringer for this, but Voyager was not cancelled... If it indeed was the nail that led to Trek's death, why was it NOT cancelled and held better numbers then Enterprise?
Again, this isn't an anti-Enterprise post but a comment on the fact that if Voyager was just so friggin horrible, piss poor work, with awful writing acting characters etc, why wasn't it cancelled? Sorry to ask the same question twice!
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Obama said it. The media reported it. I believe it.
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God only knows.
Probably the same reason that Nemesis actually got made after Insurrection?
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"Worlds may change, galaxies may disintegrate, but a woman always remains a woman."
--James Kirk, "The Conscience of the King"
"Vulcan children are never late with their sehlats' dinner."
--T'Pol, "The Forge"
Yes, a mercy killing, but who is responsible?
IS there any one thing we can blame for this?
I doubt it, lets not blame, lets thank the actors and crew involved for doing their best to bring us their iteration of Trek. After all, most of US still have jobs.
I think this season has shown some marked improvement, I wonder what sort of ratings there will be now that the world knows that Enterprise is being scuttled....
Perhaps now is the time to look to reruns, DVD's etc for a few years while the new breed of Sci-fi has its chance to shine. Lets issue the challenge - CAN YOU DO BETTER THAN TREK HAS? More series, more spinoffs, can you create the industry that Trek has become with your own brand of Sci-Fi?
We, the Trek fans challenge you, the entertainment industry, to WIN US OVER.
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But they won't. THey will now increase the rate of shoveling on the load of "Reality shows" contrived gameshows, "urban" sitcoms, sheer garbage that somehow involves talentless pieces of crap that are endorsed by the pop music industry, and "local sports".
You won't see a good show from UPN, from CBS. Viacom has successfully destroyed any value that was Paramount. May they all burn in hell.
This is indeed a sad day.
But UPN has been far more interested in promoting infantile "reality" shows and moronic sitcoms than a quality sci-fi drama.
CBS is equally to blame because after all UPN is a Viacom/Paramount/CBS property. And CBS seems more interested in nonsense than quality programming as well.
To all fans of the greatest franchise in television history: Peace and long life!
Commander T'Nor to Enterprise: One to beam up-- Energize!
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety".--Benjamin Franklin
When TNG ended, they always said they left the audience wanting more. It is true. I wanted more. If Star Trek: Enterprise had ended with the Xindi Arc last year, I cannot say I would have wanted much more of the series or Star Trek anytime soon.
After this season, however, my enthusiasm for Star Trek has been revitalized due to the creativity of a few good writers (the Reeves-Stevens) and a new format for the show. If Paramount knew what it was doing it would sign these two and perhaps Manny Coto to helm the next series creatively speaking. I have faith (of the heart) that Star Trek will be back within a few years, and I am very excited about that. They have left me wanting more.
As for now, maybe I'll start giving that Battlestar Galactica a go if I can find those torrents anywhere?
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"What we leave behind is not as important as how we've lived."
~Picard
First off, my sympathies to you few yet proud Enterprise fans. Yeah, it's just a TV show, but it's never fun when something you love and have invested a lot of time and heart in goes away. Despite my distaste for the series, I empathize with what you're feeling now.
On the BIG-TIME plus side, this might now, finally , signal the end of the terribly nasty and thoroughly deleterious reign of Rick Berman and Brannon Braga as the "creative" lights of the Star Trek franchise. Far as I'm concerned, the only people not involved in the Original Star Trek that ever showed that they "got it" in their production of a Trek show were Harve Bennett and Nicholas Meyer. The only time since the movies that they were involved with I saw what I think of when I see the words "Star Trek," was during the first three seasons of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. I think they were able to do some wonderful, very "Star Trek" things on that show while Next Gen was on, thus largely occupying the attention of B&B. That "under the radar" status gave us some very eventful, yet very thoughtful science fiction much in the tradition of the Original Star Trek, but quite outside of the original format and rarely, if ever, acting as a palid imitation, that role having been admirably (?) filled by Next Gen. This all came to a crashingly boring end with the fourth season, when, directly in the crosshairs of B&B, they added Worf, a starship, more moribund Klingon stories and the initially promising, but ultimately fitfully developed Dominion War. The series went in the tank and all the proof you need of that was the sudden proliferation of "holo-suite" based stories and the (shudder) Vic Fontaine "holo-lounge-lizard" character!
But now, with the still-born movie idea (an Enterprise prequel?) at least on the back-burner if not entirely dead, and with Enterprise all but done with, we have our first real chance in four years to wrest control of Star Trek from B&B! Any resulting "fallow" period between Star Trek efforts can only be a good thing. Remember, it was the popularity of the Original Star Trek that only grew after its cancellation that, in conjunction with the success of Star Wars, gave us the movie series, the three most successful of which (arguably Star Trek II, IV and VI) were also done without any involvement from Berman or Braga. There are wonderfully creative people out there, in and outside of the science fiction mainstream, whose vision might be just what we need to bring back a Star Trek worthy of the name. And now, with current Trek production essentially done with, we can finally see one of them placed at the helm of the franchise and watch it bloom again.
Not that this will or even needs to happen overnight. I see posts of folks lamenting the fact that we'll likely not see any new Trek for quite a while, and others cursing Trek detractors for that probability. I say, bully for that! As I mentioned above, Star Trek fandom did nothing but grow, at a near-exponential rate, after the end of the original series, and that was in a pre-computer/Internet, pre-VCR, pre-DVD world, syndication being the only access to the show. Hell, folks were so desperate for any Star Trek they could get their hands on, discarded frames of film were traded, sold and made into pocked-sized viewers! That apparently fallow decade between the series and the first movie was when Star Trek actually entered the consciousness of the general public; the success of the movies only served to realize and enfranchise it. It was the ongoing and growing fandom (and of course, the consumer market thereof!) that provided the foundation for the movie series and the sequel TV series thereafter.
Nowadays, we have a positive GLUT of Trek! It's all around us and more pervasive than ever. There's literally no time of day or night you can turn on the TV and not find a Trek series playing, and if you can't, you can put a DVD on, or listen to a CD, or hop on the web and read about it on a site (novel idea, eh?)! I think that, in conjunction with the thinner and thinner brew being served up as "Star Trek" this past decade, the general public is more than a little Trekked out. If, in Enterprise, they had REALLY been exploring strange new worlds and seeking out new life and new civilizations, maybe it would be different, but they didn't, and we haven't been boldly going where no man (or "one," if "one" must be so P.C.) has gone before since before Voyager. I can appreciate the "continuity porn" of this season of Enterprise for what it is (though it feels increasingly gimmicky), but what I've seen of the execution of it was AWFULLY poor, and still populated with regular characters who'd have been red-shirted off of the original Enterprise before the teaser had ended!
So why not take this opportunity to let Star Trek rest up a bit? It'll never go away, really, and if history is any guide, the lack of new material will only build the fan base and the demand for more. And what we eventually will get will be as fresh and vital as "Wrath of Khan!" So to those of you who will be doing everything in your power to hope against hope and keep Enterprise on the air, consider what the result will be. Do you REALLY want more of what you've just been getting by with these past 10 years or so, or do you want something better? Some new form of Star Trek we haven't even considered, from someone who loves it as passionately as any Trekkie ever has? That future is worth waiting for, I say. Let the phoenix be reborn, folks. Yes, the flame will hurt a bit, but the reward will be rich indeed!
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Our student union is getting a feature film & tv-viewing licence for our University here in the lower-mainland of BC, Canada and one of the studios we will be allowed to show films from is Paramount. I'm already planning a Star Trek appreciation marathon, that will show some of the best titles that all series had to offer over their run. Because in the end, even though each Trek also had the ability to suck majorly from time to time, there is no doubt that each Trek produced some damn good television that deserves to be seen.
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First off, my sympathies to you few yet proud Enterprise fans. Yeah, it's just a TV show, but it's never fun when something you love and have invested a lot of time and heart in goes away. Despite my distaste for the series, I empathize with what you're feeling now.
On the BIG-TIME plus side, this might now, finally , signal the end of the terribly nasty and thoroughly deleterious reign of Rick Berman and Brannon Braga as the "creative" lights of the Star Trek franchise. Far as I'm concerned, the only people not involved in the Original Star Trek that ever showed that they "got it" in their production of a Trek show were Harve Bennett and Nicholas Meyer. The only time since the movies that they were involved with I saw what I think of when I see the words "Star Trek," was during the first three seasons of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. I think they were able to do some wonderful, very "Star Trek" things on that show while Next Gen was on, thus largely occupying the attention of B&B. That "under the radar" status gave us some very eventful, yet very thoughtful science fiction much in the tradition of the Original Star Trek, but quite outside of the original format and rarely, if ever, acting as a palid imitation, that role having been admirably (?) filled by Next Gen. This all came to a crashingly boring end with the fourth season, when, directly in the crosshairs of B&B, they added Worf, a starship, more moribund Klingon stories and the initially promising, but ultimately fitfully developed Dominion War. The series went in the tank and all the proof you need of that was the sudden proliferation of "holo-suite" based stories and the (shudder) Vic Fontaine "holo-lounge-lizard" character!
But now, with the still-born movie idea (an Enterprise prequel?) at least on the back-burner if not entirely dead, and with Enterprise all but done with, we have our first real chance in four years to wrest control of Star Trek from B&B! Any resulting "fallow" period between Star Trek efforts can only be a good thing. Remember, it was the popularity of the Original Star Trek that only grew after its cancellation that, in conjunction with the success of Star Wars, gave us the movie series, the three most successful of which (arguably Star Trek II, IV and VI) were also done without any involvement from Berman or Braga. There are wonderfully creative people out there, in and outside of the science fiction mainstream, whose vision might be just what we need to bring back a Star Trek worthy of the name. And now, with current Trek production essentially done with, we can finally see one of them placed at the helm of the franchise and watch it bloom again.
Not that this will or even needs to happen overnight. I see posts of folks lamenting the fact that we'll likely not see any new Trek for quite a while, and others cursing Trek detractors for that probability. I say, bully for that! As I mentioned above, Star Trek fandom did nothing but grow, at a near-exponential rate, after the end of the original series, and that was in a pre-computer/Internet, pre-VCR, pre-DVD world, syndication being the only access to the show. Hell, folks were so desperate for any Star Trek they could get their hands on, discarded frames of film were traded, sold and made into pocked-sized viewers! That apparently fallow decade between the series and the first movie was when Star Trek actually entered the consciousness of the general public; the success of the movies only served to realize and enfranchise it. It was the ongoing and growing fandom (and of course, the consumer market thereof!) that provided the foundation for the movie series and the sequel TV series thereafter.
Nowadays, we have a positive GLUT of Trek! It's all around us and more pervasive than ever. There's literally no time of day or night you can turn on the TV and not find a Trek series playing, and if you can't, you can put a DVD on, or listen to a CD, or hop on the web and read about it on a site (novel idea, eh?)! I think that, in conjunction with the thinner and thinner brew being served up as "Star Trek" this past decade, the general public is more than a little Trekked out. If, in Enterprise, they had REALLY been exploring strange new worlds and seeking out new life and new civilizations, maybe it would be different, but they didn't, and we haven't been boldly going where no man (or "one," if "one" must be so P.C.) has gone before since before Voyager. I can appreciate the "continuity porn" of this season of Enterprise for what it is (though it feels increasingly gimmicky), but what I've seen of the execution of it was AWFULLY poor, and still populated with regular characters who'd have been red-shirted off of the original Enterprise before the teaser had ended!
So why not take this opportunity to let Star Trek rest up a bit? It'll never go away, really, and if history is any guide, the lack of new material will only build the fan base and the demand for more. And what we eventually will get will be as fresh and vital as "Wrath of Khan!" So to those of you who will be doing everything in your power to hope against hope and keep Enterprise on the air, consider what the result will be. Do you REALLY want more of what you've just been getting by with these past 10 years or so, or do you want something better? Some new form of Star Trek we haven't even considered, from someone who loves it as passionately as any Trekkie ever has? That future is worth waiting for, I say. Let the phoenix be reborn, folks. Yes, the flame will hurt a bit, but the reward will be rich indeed!
YOu won't get "Real" star trek from UPN now. YOu'll get more "reality" series. You won't get more SF, you'll get TRIPE like gameshows and back-stabbing fests.
you are so short sighted.
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You are right on the money, my man. I've been a TREK fan for as long as I can remember (mid-1970's), and I gave up on TREK a long time ago (right after VOYAGER hit the air). I find it hard to believe that other so-called fans aren't sick to death of TREK by now, especially with the sub-par output of the Berman and Braga years. I for one think the cancellation of ENTERPRISE can only be a good thing and that TREK certainly will return again someday, and hopefully they'll get some truly creative people to come in and kick our collective asses with a leaner, meaner, more imaginative, funnier and warmer version of STAR TREK than we've seen in years. It CAN happen... as long as REAL sci-fi writers are involved and Peter David finds a place on the writing staff! THAT'S the day I'm looking forward to.
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Mercy killing.
At least we have BSG :)
Let Trek rest for a while, say three to five years before demand rises again for the brandname.
Unless Scifi or Sky One in the UK decide to pick it up a-la BSG and re-imagine it....
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Before you cross the street,
Take my hand,
Life is what happens to you while you are busy making other plans....
That's fine. Once the show goes in to syndication, and is given more than enough airtime that UPN could ever have attempted. UPN never advertised the show and properly positioned it. Now that it is in syndication, expect popularity of the show to increase to the point where STAR TREK will be back in a year.
Secondly, expect another "cancellation" and that's TrekWeb. I hope you are prepared for a huge drop in visitors once the show cancels off completely. Nobody will come to this website when there isn't a franchise to support it anymore.
Good luck everyone. It was a great run while it lasted.
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I'm sure Steve will find something else to cover if Trek no longer "pays the bills" (so to speak). BSG, Stargate, etc....
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Secondly, expect another "cancellation" and that's TrekWeb. I hope you are prepared for a huge drop in visitors once the show cancels off completely.
Well, I plan to continue coming here to keep aprised of all the ridiculous movie, new series, and product rumours that will undoubtedly flood the internet in the ensuing years. No, Trekweb won't be cancelled from lack of interest. Now Steve on the other hand, if he chooses to stop the website, he could use a break ... he has done such a FANTASTIC JOB with this website over the years!
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"What we leave behind is not as important as how we've lived."
~Picard
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Trekweb remains, and will continue to be my first stop for any trek related news, Startrek.com, Treknews, Treknation all get second tier status with me unless Steve links to them.
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Thanks, guys. We (me, Steve, Bill and the rest of the staff) really appreciated your support.
Gustavo
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I am dismayed, but not too surprised over the news. To me, it was like a parent cancelling life support and calling the coroner after the patient's health had started to improve. Manny Coto had revived the show and it was starting to look better with each 4th season airing. I had real hope for a fifth season and perhaps more.
I would not be too hard on the nay-sayers. They voiced their true and honest feelings over the shows and while we may not share these opinions, they sre entitled to them. Remember, they couldn't honestly comment on the show if they didn't watch them. It's easy to complain about a job someone else is doing. What's hard is proving you could have done it better.
I have never really trusted the ratings as a true picture of what America is watching. Unless there is a Neilsen box hooked to every TV in the country there can't really be a true telling as to how many people watched what.
Those of us who DID enjoy Enterprise can at least catch it in syndication and DVD's and await the next member of the franchise.
I'm sure others will bring this up, but I think if there is *any* chance of "Enterprise" being resurrected it is not at UPN. Instead, perhaps, the attention can be aimed elsewhere, especially at other Viacom properties. I'm sure Paramount would love to continue to produce the show if there was a network willing to show it.
Perhaps "Showtime" is a good fit. Viacom owned. Not subject to ratings the way ad-supported networks are. And "Trek" has more loyal fans than any other show on television. How many Trekkers who are currently not subscribers to "Showtime" would subscribe *just* for "Enterprise"?
I'd bet Paramount would give them the show relatively cheap (at least as cheaply as they gave it to UPN this season), just to have another 22 episodes to syndicate and sell on DVD. And even if the show only lasted one more season, how many of those Trekkers would stick with "Showtime" afterward? Sounds to me like a win-win for Viacom.
And Les Moonves doesn't program "Showtime"...
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I'd be for that, if there was a way for me to subscribe to Showtime that wasn't part of a package deal that included networks I care nothing about. Showtime has had a lot of series that I have liked watching (after the fact). I do not, however, care to pay for a network that has ONE show that I want to watch, and hundreds of movies, that if I wanted to watch, I would buy on DVD, rather than pay a monthly fee.
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That'd be an interesting way to go, actually. I'd support the that (hell, I'd support bringing back Enterprise on Showtime, it is a good show, especially this season).
'm sure others will bring this up, but I think if there is *any* chance of "Enterprise" being resurrected it is not at UPN. Instead, perhaps, the attention can be aimed elsewhere, especially at other Viacom properties. I'm sure Paramount would love to continue to produce the show if there was a network willing to show it.
Perhaps "Showtime" is a good fit. Viacom owned. Not subject to ratings the way ad-supported networks are. And "Trek" has more loyal fans than any other show on television. How many Trekkers who are currently not subscribers to "Showtime" would subscribe *just* for "Enterprise"?
I'd bet Paramount would give them the show relatively cheap (at least as cheaply as they gave it to UPN this season), just to have another 22 episodes to syndicate and sell on DVD. And even if the show only lasted one more season, how many of those Trekkers would stick with "Showtime" afterward? Sounds to me like a win-win for Viacom.
And Les Moonves doesn't program "Showtime"...
Well 9/28/1987 - 5/13/2005, 17 years 8 months and 10 feature films. Not a bad run for STAR TREK. How many series last that long ? It has been a great run and I for one am sorry to see it end.
To all of you who are happy with this you suck.
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"Worlds may change, galaxies may disintegrate, but a woman always remains a woman."
--James Kirk, "The Conscience of the King"
"Vulcan children are never late with their sehlats' dinner."
--T'Pol, "The Forge"
This is a wonderful moment! ENT was a cancer that could only survive by reediting and spinning TOS episodes into their own distorted image. Continuity was thrown out the window. A show dedicated to telling the early history of the Federation goes against the original idea of TOS. TOS was a vehicle -a "wagon train to the stars" to explore philosophical and contemporary issues. ENT approach was too literal minded to have any meaning or resonance.
So many awful things have happened on this planet since ENT when into production, so perhaps this is a harbinger of better times.
ENT fans were very premature in their praise and overly optimistic in their predictions for this moribund series. This made it very easy to bash ENT.
I would like to thank:
*My parents (who have never watched Star Trek).
*ENT bashers worldwide.
*B&B for writing moronic and inept scripts.
*Softcore Trek fans who never heard or/and never bothered to watch (and had watched *every* previous Trek series).
*UPN for under-promoting the series the last few year (when was the last time you saw ENT promos?)
Yippee!
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This is a wonderful moment! ENT was a cancer that could only survive by reediting and spinning TOS episodes into their own distorted image. Continuity was thrown out the window. A show dedicated to telling the early history of the Federation goes against the original idea of TOS. TOS was a vehicle -a "wagon train to the stars" to explore philosophical and contemporary issues. ENT approach was too literal minded to have any meaning or resonance.
So many awful things have happened on this planet since ENT when into production, so perhaps this is a harbinger of better times.
ENT fans were very premature in their praise and overly optimistic in their predictions for this moribund series. This made it very easy to bash ENT.
I would like to thank:
*My parents (who have never watched Star Trek).
*ENT bashers worldwide.
*B&B for writing moronic and inept scripts.
*Softcore Trek fans who never heard or/and never bothered to watch (and had watched *every* previous Trek series).
*UPN for under-promoting the series the last few year (when was the last time you saw ENT promos?)
Yippee!
May you and your family suffer tragedies heretofore unknown to man. Gloating at something that brings others sorrow. You suck.
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It is true that most religous traditions prohibit one from "rejoicing in the misfortune of others."
However, what is just about you wishing my family to suffer "tragedies heretofore unknown to man" when they are innocents in this matter?
In other words, I don't think you occupy a moral high ground after your reply.
Perhaps Captain Archer can borrow from ST:TUC closing:
Captain's log, U.S.S. Enterprise, May 26, 2155. This is the final cruise of the Starship Enterprise under my command (Hey, it was a good run for four years!). This ship and her history will shortly become the care of a new generation (a new group of actors under B&B's management and franchise-direction).
To them and their posterity we will commit our future (thanks to syndication and DVDs!). They will continue the voyages we have begun (hopefully a full seven seasons; who was that Future Guy anyway?), and journey to all the undiscovered countries (and a new network), to boldly going where no man....where no one has gone before (so long and thanks for all the fish).
Oh, how wonderfully perfect. I just gotta love how everything happens at once. Gotta love just as I find out my grandfather has lung cancer and will die in a few days, my favorite show gets cancelled. Oh, and it just happens to be my 18th birthday too. Happy birthday to me :(
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"Light...growing...dimmer. Can't...breathe. Beam me up...God."
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I with you. I'm turning 20 a week from today. Happy birthday to the both of us >:(
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"Take a Romulan chill pill and have some faith!"
-Erik Jendresen, writer of Star Trek: The Beginning
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
-General George S. Patton Jr.
"I am NOT Scorned."
-Scorned as Gage/Gage_2
Just the other day I posted a message congratulating the writers for this season's vast improvement. I was glad we were on to better stuff...finally. Now that won't happen. I'm maddest at the knuckleheads who got us to this point. If this season had been ENTERPRISE'S first instead of it's fourth, and if it had been started today instead of rushing into it before the ink was even dry on the last dollar they made off VOYAGER, we wouldn't be reading a headline like this. A STAR TREK SHOW CANCELLED FOR THE FIRST TIME IN FORTY YEARS. I sure hope the studio and the producers walk away having learned something from this. It should be embarrassing to all of us.
I wonder... is anyone else able to get into the official site? I bet some servers were unprepared!
HA!
RIP Enterprise
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"kakusenai namida suteki da ne
futari te wo tori aruketa nara
ikitai yo
kimi no machi ie ude no naka sono kao
sotto furete
asa ni tokeru
yumemiru" -- Rikki/Uematsu, Suteki da ne
Anynone notice that there's no post to the site where this article originated? Just about every interview or news item that I've seen posted has had a link posted to an original article... not to mention the fact that there's no mention of this on UPN or the officail Star Trek website. You think, with an announcement as big as this, that it would be headlines on both sites? Something smells fishy here...
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but I looked on UPN's first and found nothing. Startrek.com has the same info as here.
Personally I was hoping against all that is reality that UPN would try to actually promote ENT, given the creative improvement season four has provided so far. No television or TV Guide ads means certain death for just about any show. It's been very frustrating for me to see UPN effectively kill and bury its own series especially where it's been getting so good. I've been fearing this since I read that the pro-Trek head honchos were leaving, but now it's like the doctor's pulling the plug as the patient is recovering. We can only hope for the best in the future.
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"Outer Space: The Last Frontier.
These are the trips of the Star Trek Enterprise. Its five year plan calls for us to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly fly where no man has gone in space. Live long, and be happy."
Patrick Stewart--SNL, Stardate 9402.05
Anynone notice that there's no post to the site where this article originated? Just about every interview or news item that I've seen posted has had a link posted to an original article... not to mention the fact that there's no mention of this on UPN or the officail Star Trek website. You think, with an announcement as big as this, that it would be headlines on both sites? Something smells fishy here...
Thanks for a stellar last season.
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Scientists discover the world that exists;
engineers create the world that never was.
-Theodore von Kármán
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I second that whole-heartedly. It's a terrible shame the show couldn't have started this well.
Oh well. Man, to think... it's over. It's hard to imagine a time of no new Trek.
And perhaps unlike the generation that lived through TOS' cancellation... I can honestly say I'm done with the ride; if a great series came along to replace ENT, I'd gladly watch... but I no longer "hunger" for new Trek. I'm full and happy.
Crazy. Now what?
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"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
-James Madison
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I know. Now that its over, it is hard to imagine a time without it. For me, I am at the age where I have gone my entire life not having some new Trek firmly on the horizon. This is a completely new experience for me. And yet, I have become increasingly distanced from Trek, especially any of the more recent stuff. Anything Voyager or Enterprise just doesn't grab my interest. I still love TNG and DS9, but I don't even watch them as much as I used to. I have moved on to other things and other fictional characters/universes. Recently, I have found myself increasingly caught up in the universe of the inspiration for my Latin screename, the Dark Knight, Batman.
I don't know where Trek will go from here, but I do know that if it does come back I would like to see it go forward into the future again, past the the times of TNG/DS9/Voyager. I always thought that one of the fantastic things about all the Trek we do have is that we can watch the continual evolution of that universe over time. With Enterprise the decision was made to backtrack, which I was never very pleased with. Yet the idea of seeing so many of the Federation's species first hooking up became eventually intriguing and yet it has taken them until now in the series to fully and seriously start to explore this, a reason for its downfall I think.
Some episodes of Trek always transport me back to the heady days when it could do no wrong. One episode that always does this for me is TNG's The Defector . I love this fantastic episode from the first frame to the last and it always transports me back to that time in Trek. Oh, what a time it was..... So for now I say so long to Trek, and hope that it may once again rise up to enthrall us.
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The future isn't what it used to be.
Yogi Berra
Anynone notice that there's no post to an original article? Just about every interview or news item that I've seen posted has had a link posted to an original article... not to mention the fact that there's no mention of this on UPN or the officail Star Trek website. You think, with an announcement as big as this, that it would be headlines on both sites? Something smells fishy here...
I am really bumed about the cancellation as much as the next person but i am frankly not surprised. Don't get me wrong i thought the show was kick ass from episode one but after the move to friday night and the lack of viewer response, i think we all need to admit that we saw this coming. As much as one would like to delude themselves when you really look deep into your mind and examine your thoughts on ENT you knew it was going to die this year. I also think the canellation was due to a combo of factors, to me they were 1. UPN hating trek 2.The ENT bashers 3. Lack of viewership. Some would say the bashers had nothing to do with it but they are part of the cause of low ratings. If the bashers had just let up a little bit and stayed in thier darkened rooms where they watched DS9 24/7 on DVD then ENT might have lived. So, to all those who liked the show: today is a sad day in the history of Trek. And to the bashers: I guess you got what you wanted so congrats.
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Forcast for today: a few sprinkles of genius with A CHANCE OF DOOM!!!!
Stewie Griffin
I have to be blunt. I support those who thing that it is better to go without Trek that to watch it turn to crap.
But the good thing is that now we can start speculating for real as what comes next and when.
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"That is the exploration that awaits you: Not mapping the stars and studying nebulae, but charting the unknown possiblities of existence." - Q, All Good Things...
...'cuz that's the last opportunity for the show's survival. Long shot? Yeah... but when you remember that the Franchise has been first run syndication the majority of its life... well... you never know.
DS9 did overlap two other series... I know... grabbing at straws...
...and don't tell me the show is crap, 'cuz if you've actually been watching it, you know it's been great.
I'm quite sad right now.
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"A billion robot lives are about to be extinguished! Oh, the Jedis are going to feel this one..."
-Hubert Farnsworth (Futurama: Crimes of the Hot)
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"The Andorian Mining Consortium runs from no one!"
-Shran (ENT: Proving Ground)
That's sad. I've really enjoyed the show, and will miss the characters.
It's also the first time since I was 16 that I haven't had Star Trek to watch, and that's not good.
The new season has been the sort of show they should have been making during its first season in 2001. I resent that it took the creative team so long to finally start the show off right!
There is a kind of symmetry here though: Star Trek got canceled early at BOTH ends.
3 seasons in 1969.
and
4 seasons in 2005.
Altogether, that's a full seven year run, I guess...
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There is a kind of symmetry here though: Star Trek got canceled early at BOTH ends.
I was going to say the same thing. And more symmetry: Both shows were cancelled after moving to Friday nights.
I gotta put in my two cents here, for what it's worth. I have worked in television for nearly 25 years, and I've never seen a show able to survive without some sort of promotion. It's like opening a grocery store without putting up any billboards or buying any newspaper ads. Who's gonna know it's open?
UPN promoted the show early on, but when it began to hemhorrage viewers it seemed UPN threw in the towel. No promotion means virtually no viewers, and no viewers means no show.
I think there's more than just the Friday night move and cancellation tying Enterprise to Star Trek. I would imagine if UPN looked at the demographics of the ratings, they might find that the shows were reaching the audience they intended, and in larger percentages than the raw numbers might indicate. The same thing happened after the original series was cancelled...had demographics been in use at that time, NBC might have discovered they were reaching the audience they wanted, and there were NBC programming people who said as much after the show was cancelled (this much is in "Inside Star Trek" by Herb Solow and Bob Justman).
I never posted that often on this board, but I always enjoyed reading the reasoned, thoughtful comments of people from all walks of life who had one thing in common - their love for Star Trek. And the juvenile comments from the bashers and the kids were always entertaining, and sometimes I found myself agreeing with the sentiment, if not the phrasing. I started looking in on this board when Voyager was nearing its end, just to see what might transpire with the new "Series V" (as it was called back then). There was lots of speculation as to what that new series would be. I believe the same thing will happen now that Enterprise has been cancelled, only the speculation will revolve around the now uncertain future without any new Trek. I will continue to check in from time to time, and if I find a good discussion I may join in. I would encourage Steve, Gustavo, and the others who run this fine website to continue, at least as long as there is Trek to talk about. And perhaps we can discuss Trek-related issues like space exploration, or the state of today's society (keep the fire caves open, Steve!). It would sadden me to discover that the cancellation of ENT was the final death knell for Trek of any kind.
But I've had to deal with no new Trek before (I was nine years old when it was cancelled the first time), and I bet I can do it again. Someday, like someone else posted, Star Trek will rise from the ashes and the U.S.S. Enterprise will fly once more.
Peace, and long life.
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A generation which ignores history has no past and no future. -- Robert Heinlein
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I took no pleasure in that article but simply put, the remod came too little and FAR too late. Enterprise was created by people that cared nothing about the cannon and the fan base. It's obvious. I may be one of those spoiled brats that complained about quality but I only did when it was necessary. When there really was somthing to say to those who would listen. Yes, I would rather have no Trek for awhile then have it continue to degrade like this. I have been a Trek fan for as long as I can remember and it PAINS me to see where these idiots have taken her. No more talk. It's done. I hope one day, TPTB get a clue and start thinking Quality instead of Quantity like in this new Season.
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"It is with our passions, as it is with fire and water, they are good servants but bad masters."
Aesop (620 BC - 560 BC)
"Really Doctor McCoy, you must learn to govern your passions... They will be your undoing."
- Captain Spock (Much later)
I'd just like to say that anyone pleased with the cancellation of this series is being counterproductive. If they want better Trek, this will not speed the process. If anything, it may slow it, as we may be years away from the next series. If they don't want any Trek as it might get in the way of past series, they are just being unreasonable (and unrealistic).
That being said, I am also disappointed about the cancellation of this show. It was starting to get really good (I just hope that Coto will stick around and be persistant in starting a new series, while B&B hopefully move on to other projects, finally). While I am 21, I technically have had new Trek all my life (I had 3 years to be introduced to TOS, which is how long it ran). I'm not sure how to go through this, as, rather than waiting for a few months between breaks for Star Trek I haven't seen, I may have to wait years for the next movie or series to come out. While I enjoy reading the books (a number of which are really good I might add), it won't be the same. We won't have the spectacular effects seen in the battles against the Borg or the Dominion except in reruns. We won't be able to see new issues solved between rival or clashing alien species. And, let's face it, we might bash T'Pol or 7 of 9 for being just beautiful women in cat suits, but we will miss the women of Trek. Sure, Uhura, Jadzia, and Hoshi will still be in reruns, but somehow, it won't be the same.
I'd like to thank the cast and crew of Enterprise, and all prior Star Treks, for giving us something to look forward to each week. I hope that the wait for the next series will not be too long. And, in the meantime, I can hope that maybe this will give Scott Bakula more time to appear on the (rumored) new Quantum Leap series.
Mixed feelings on this one. I've read many posts here blaming "bashers" for this cancellation. Honestly "Enterprise" did not die here. It died on UPN due to low ratings. Let's face facts.
I have followed the show pretty well since its inception, and I felt they started it off on the wrong foot. It's too bad Manny Coto was not connected to the show in its first or second seasons. Now it's too late to revive it.
Besides the television series going the way of the wind, the movie franchise is also in a quagmire. At least prior to "The Next Generation", we had motion pictures every couple years. Now we don't even have that.
But not to worry because Star Trek is not dead. We still have the DVDs, games, novels, comics, and more to keep it alive....and us, the fans. And through all this, as long as Star Trek is still around and we still talk about it, I believe at some point we will see more Star Trek in the future.
By the way, does anyone at Paramount have Nicholas Meyer's phone number?
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None of us is as good as ALL of us.
Live Long And Prosper…too late.
As a life long fan of the Star Trek franchise it seems to me that no one has understood the concepts, drama, nor the specifics of Gene Roddenberry’s vision like Manny Coto. Weekly, fans and average television viewers are treated to a particularly human drama that blends a vision of the future with commentary on contemporary culture. The stories satisfy both our intellect and our emotion, blending high concept with action/drama. We explore not just a universe of aliens and new worlds, but what it means to be human; at our best and at our worst. Manny Coto has not been given sufficient time to “save Star Trek” and I believe canceling Enterprise will be, in the long run, a huge mistake that ends this unique person’s ability to bring both fans and regular television viewers to this wonderfully creative show. It is clear that Star Trek is an enormous source of revenue for Paramount. It is no “flash in the pan”. The question is; is it worth disappointing a dedicated following because ratings that are below expectations? Unfortunately, the show was deeply flawed from the start. But, clearly Mr. Coto’s incredible talents are worth another season.
Enterprise enjoys a strong ensemble cast, which unfortunately has been misused by people who either don’t understand how to write drama or what the “Star Trek Universe” is all about. I think it is clear the DS9 was riding Next Generations coat tails and if the writers/producers hadn’t happened upon the drama surrounding a massive space war the series would be a footnote. And, again, Voyager took great fan enthusiasm and squandered it by not coming across with the promise of high conflict in the depths of space. How many episodes did we suffer through until we saw some interesting aliens?
It’s simple; people want to see the captain with a strong moral sense and chase some alien skirts. If Mr. Bakula doesn’t really like that idea, I’m sure there are some younger crew who would be eager to take on the responsibility. Who can forget the smile every time Kirk put on his boots! I’m sure Anthony Montgomery wouldn’t mind having a little more to do than fly the ship (and he looks good with his shirt off!).
Ms. Blalock is absolutely correct. Her character has been miss-written right from the start of the show. Have the writers never watched Star Trek before? It has taken Manny Coto’s genius to correct this huge mistake. She is a Vulcan not an emotional wreck! Nothing says “hot babe” like a cool demeanor. We can go all the way back to the original “Number One” (yes the Star Trek Pilot) to find this side of sexy. If we need a woman who is an emotional wreck on the show, it wouldn’t take much to push a certain communications officer over the edge (though I would rather see her written into a strong character who could share some Buddhism and sisterhood with T-Pol).
It seems Phlox would make an excellent Marcus Wellby/Father Knows Best confidant for the crew. Who cares about alien wombats and leeches?
As far as casting is concerned if there were a strong interest in shaking up the show Jeffery Combs would make a great permanent addition to the cast. He is dynamic, strong and those antennae are just plain creepy.
Finally, why do we have space marines on the ship who do almost nothing? How about some real old fashioned drama. Have them get blasted to pieces! Where are the red shirts when you need them? Let Mayweather and Reed take command of the marines (more shirts off). You could even get Sato in there pumping iron.
It is time to take some chances with Enterprise, not with the things that make the show great, but with the things that have grown stale. There can be huge conflicts! The universe is full of evil doers and power hungry aliens. They do not have to be understood. They do not have to have reasonable motives. The (boring) Zindy could reappear, but just the bad-ass reptiles…keeping the good fight alive. They hate everybody as far as I can tell. And, what’s with the Klingons? Don’t they still fart in air locks?
The universe of Star Trek has great potential and Enterprise is such a great show. If Manny Coto is given the opportunity, the seasons of Enterprise that he crafts will be some of the best ever that have been seen in the Star Trek universe. It will reinvent and rejuvenate the Star Trek Franchise. He will satisfy the hunger of hard-core fans and attract new viewers to a great show.
If none of this is making any sense, let me express it this way. Ending Enterprise means disappointing millions of educated, loyal fans. It means the lost of faith and simply the loss of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
I'm really unhappy about this. Paramount could have at least shopped it around to other networks first.
I have endured the mess known as Voyager, and that stupid-ass temporal cold war subplot to finally find a season getting it's act together. Now this.
BUT, please don't take it to Sci Fi channel. If they buy it they'll dip into Galactica for the money and that's about the only real sci-fi on TV now. Given that hard choice -- Enterprise had it's shot.
I know a lot of people have been expecting this but I didn't really think they'd actually pull the trigger. Then again, the whole Friday night switch/no advertising act didn't exactly exude an air of confidence from the network. We all know UPN is garbage, though, and I figured they'd keep anything that would guarantee at least a couple of million people watch once a week.
As someone who derided this show from its inception, though, I hate to see it go just as it was finding its voice. It still had a way to go, but there were definitely signs of life in something I had dismissed as early as its pilot. Coto did a great job trying to right a sinking ship and I can only hope that he has some hand in the next incarnation of TV Trek.
I was never a viewer myself but I feel bad for the fans of the show (especially when most agree that the series was improving creatively).
However, I don't think Les Moonves needs to be attacked for his role in this. He isn't cancelling Star Trek because he hates the franchise or the fans. He's cancelling one television series due to ratings erosion and the fact that producing new episodes no longer makes financial sense. It's his responsibility to do the smart (but not necessarily popular) thing.
He also knows that a rejuvinated Star Trek franchise in 5 or 10 years is worth a heck of a lot more financially than producing another season with the current creative team. If he gives Enterprise another year, the longer he has to wait for the relaunch.
The bottom line is that Trek is an instituion, it's not going anywhere. Who knows? The best could be yet to come...
About time. Trek, rest in peace.
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Someone actually managed to get BANNED from TrekWeb!? I can't even remember the last time a post got deleted, let alone an entire poster.
-Xaliphor
Trek is going to be gone now for at least a decade. For all you spoiled little SOB's that did eveything you could to destroy the show, congratulations. You won. I don't aave a clue as to what you think you've proven, except that the death of the franchise had nothing to do with B & B but with the spoiled little bastards that have never known a life without Trek. Well they will now. I lived in the dark time between TOS and TMP, it was not fun, but your about to discover that.
I figure Trekweb will be gone in 24 months at the outside, Trek.com the same time frame.
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spoiled little bastards that have never known a life without Trek.
I lived in the dark time between TOS and TMP, it was not fun, but your about to discover that.
Wow, you actually eat with that potty mouth?
The "dark time" as you call it between TOS and TMP was the Golden Age of Trek. For one, there was actually some Star Trek worth watching (in reruns). The only truly worthwhile movie was "The Wrath of Khan," and though the whale movie was fun, most everything else was more disappointing than satisfying.
The fact is, there is nothing about post-TOS Trek that will inspire legions of fans to follow rereuns, launch write-in campaigns, create fanfic and all the other stuff we did in the 70s. So Trek may well be truly dead, may it rest in peace.
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GET A LIFE, will you people? I mean, for crying out loud, it's just a TV show!.... You've turned an enjoyable little job, that I did as a lark for a few years, into a COLOSSAL WASTE OF TIME! -- William Shatner on Saturday Night Live (1986)
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Just as an aside - I present the obligatory TAS picture. 
1973 - 1974
There WAS "Trek" between 1969 and 1979, so IMHO, no "dark times" at all. ;-)
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"I think the show talked to people through the characters. They're stories that speak to the heart. They talk about love, they talk about friendship, they talk about loyalty, they talk about patriotism, exploration, curiosity, reaching out... And I think all those things still touch people. Even when you look at a 30-year old show, it still has something to say." - D.C. Fontana, Sci Fi Channel Special Edition TOS 1998
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"If the season finale involves the re-built USS Reliant coming back in time to the 21st Century crewed by Moogie, Dr. Selar, Morn, Transporter Chief Kyle, and the Salt Vampire, then we'll know that Coto has gone too far." - tomba1701
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I love Enterprise and will be sad to see it go. But it is just a TV show and I'm not going to let it's cancellation ruin my life. Maybe this is better for the fans than I thought. Now they can walk out into the sunlight and get a life.
Ok, that sounded harsh... But dark times? If you're thinking of turning to the bottle or suicide than you should click here.
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Right, it's the fans fault. What planet are you from? It was canceled because of it's ratings, nothing more. Get real.
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Of course it doesn't. Quality writing, or lack thereof, has little to do with the people directly involved with the production of any television series.
Thank you for clearing that up.
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Someone actually managed to get BANNED from TrekWeb!? I can't even remember the last time a post got deleted, let alone an entire poster.
-Xaliphor
Well, I haven't seen an episode of ENT since the second season. I can't say I'm upset at the cancelation, although I'm not jumping up and down with glee.
But let's put things into perspective. If and when STAR TREK returns, it will almost certainly have nothing to do with the modern TREK continuity. I could see a CGI film featuring Kirk and Spock with updated tech and a slightly redesigned Enterprise (but keeping the same basic design, of course). Such a film would be based on TOS and have nothing to do with Berman-TREK.
I personally would love to see a good CGI TREK film, provided the CGI looks at least as good as the Final Fantasy movie and they hired voice actors who could play their parts without sounding like parodies of TOS actors. I'd like to see real ST updated for a 21st century audience. IMO, that's the only way STAR TREK can possibly continue. It has to adapt.
So, although TREK may return five or ten years hence, I've no doubt that the universe of Borg, Cardassians, Ferengi, Sisko, Janeway, and Archer is gone forever and never coming back. That universe lasted 18 years on television which is phenominal. Whenever we want to revisit that universe, there are hundreds of episodes and novels, and a handful of movies, from which to choose.
RIP Berman-TREK. I look forward to a good writer and producer bringing back real STAR TREK, but will remember fondly the last 18 years. Bon Voyage, Borg. Farewell, Ferengi. Ciao, Cardassians.
And so the curtain closes...
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"It's fiction. It's not supposed to make sense." --a Trekweb poster defending Brannon Braga's scripts
Well, I know a lot of you were hoping for the best, but I had been preparing for this for a couple of months now. It was a great season and although the show had it's ups and downs, it was highly entertaining. This too will probably be one of my last posts since there probably won't be any new Trek for a while.
Not only should we feel bad for the diehard fans but for the cast, the amazing crew, and most of all Manny Coto.
He's proven that he can bring back entertainment and thought provoking ideas to a dying show, but he has two "failed" shows under his belt even though this one was too far gone to be his fault at all. It can't look good to executives if he wanted to start a new show.
Anyways. It's been a great 4 years and hopefully Trek will come back stronger than ever eventually.
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Burninating across the land. Burninating the peasants.
I have to admit, I've enjoyed ENT from the beginning, from the great episodes right down to the clunkers. I for one would have given anything to have seen this series continue to move forward and blossom like never before in future seasons. People like Manny Coto are what a series like ENT needs to make it really work and enjoyable once again.
But on the other hand, I have to be a realist. The ratings haven't been good the last two seasons, and it was only a last-minute announcement when we all found out about ENT's return for a fourth season. It's been quite a run not just for ENT but also for this modern era of STAR TREK on television - 18 years straight through four series. It's time to take a break.
At least we'll have the reruns and the DVDs to watch once again in the years to come.
Admiral Cartwright: I don't know whether to congratulate you or not, Jim.
Doctor McCoy: I wouldn't.
-Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
No congratulations to you, UPN and Paramount...Thanks in advance for raising the prices of everything Trek-related!
Anybody feels like saying clichés like "Star Trek is dead, long live Star Trek" or "live long and prosper"?
As for myself, I don't know if I should rejoice or cry, I think my real sentiment is indifference.
Still like to come on Trekweb though, guess the news section won't be as interesting anymore...
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Ladies And Gentleman,
I have been amongst one of the few to support Star Trek Enterprise from season one. To see the show go is heartbreaking and unfortunately a painful shock to me.
To sit here and say that I will be heartbroken over the loss of this show is true and false at the same time. I'm heartbroken to see something I enjoy go away, but also I am not heartbroken to the fact that it is a television show.
As I said in a rescent post I am uncertain to what this means to Star Trek. We've had one show right after another for a while, the unfortunate situation is that this could mean a very long time without Star Trek, and that is what I am woeful of.
ENTERPRISE, you my dear friend were a good show, one of the greats, I'm sorry to see you go, you will be missed by those who loved you...
...since this is also the end of ENTERPRISE this will probably be the end of my posting for a while. I came to this board as a hardcore advocate for the show, now that it's gone, my posts were in vain...it's like losing a childhood toy, the memories are still with you but the physical element that represent those memories are gone...I will miss you ENTERPRISE...and the joy that you brought me....
"TO BODLY GO, WHERE NO MAN....WHERE NO ONE, HAS GONE BEFORE..."
--James T. Kirk
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"My old friend, this song's for you. Cause a few simple verses was the least that I could do to tell the world that you were here. Cause the love and the laughter, will live on long after all of the sadness and the tears. We'll meet again, my old friend"
Tim McGraw "My Old Friend"
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Hopefully Manny will be able to fix all the conceptual and continuity discrepancies before the ENT dies.
RIP
The Star Trek Franchise
2005
(Thanks for nothing Berman & Braga - Hacks!)
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I am so glad that "Enterprise" is cancelled. For four years it has been a continuity problem and henceforth (assuming nothing terrible happens like it getting picked up by another network for future shows) this nightmare will be over.
It will take alot of hard work to fix the damage to the integrity of the franchise that this show and "Voyager" have caused. Hopefully, with enough time and good writing in the future the 11 seasons (and countless books associated) between these two shows can be corrected.
I'd like to thank the Nielsen house (for providing the ratings), the general public (for not watching), Rick Berman & his staff (for being so incompetent that they ran this bad premise into the ground before it became an incurable cancer), Paramount & UPN (for allowing their bottomlines to win out over the desires of a minority of viewers), and Manny Coto for giving fixing this mess his best shot.
Yahoo! Yippeee!
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To be honest, the only bad thing to come out of all of this is that I won't be around to personally help destroy the sets when production ends. That would be quite satisfying after 11 years of crap (with the exception of DS9) - to rip all those sets down and throw them in the dumpster.
Oh, I am just so overjoyed. This is one of those moments when I question my lack of faith in God. This is just great. "Star Trek" can get the long rest it needs and the quality control for the franchise can be restored within the studio. Yeah, many of the fans will be bumming that they won't get their fix of crack-"Star Trek", but after a while of withdrawal, thier heads will clear and they will see this is for the best.
The onlyu thing left is to cut off the books for a while too. Then the franchise can really get a creative break and regrouping period.
Afterall, no "Star Trek" is better than bad "Star Trek".
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I am so glad that "Enterprise" is cancelled. For four years it has been a continuity problem and henceforth (assuming nothing terrible happens like it getting picked up by another network for future shows) this nightmare will be over.
It will take alot of hard work to fix the damage to the integrity of the franchise that this show and "Voyager" have caused. Hopefully, with enough time and good writing in the future the 11 seasons (and countless books associated) between these two shows can be corrected.
I'd like to thank the Nielsen house (for providing the ratings), the general public (for not watching), Rick Berman & his staff (for being so incompetent that they ran this bad premise into the ground before it became an incurable cancer), Paramount & UPN (for allowing their bottomlines to win out over the desires of a minority of viewers), and Manny Coto for giving fixing this mess his best shot.
Yahoo! Yippeee!
I'll be thankfull when you are run over by a cement truck
Well I hope the bashers are satisfied. For those who were enjoying the show this is a sad day. With how Hollywood works, I have serious doubts that we will see any new Star Trek on TV for a LONG time. Hollywood runs on trends and catching the latest wave and they will point towards this as a reason not to take a chance on Star Trek. I wouldn't be suprized if it was more than 10 years before we saw anything.
I hold a gillmer of hope that Enterprise will be moved to another network or into first run syndication (which would get better raitings than UPN).
I predict that UPN will be gone in less than three years.
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I hate Tv today. If Enterprise was on sci fi channel it would be so awesome. look at stargate sg-1 its gonna do its ninth season and enterprise cant go 5 seasons. I am mad that UPN doesnt even care about star trek. They complain about ratings mean while they dont advertise at all for it. This season has been by far their best season and what do they do is cancel it. I knew when they moved the show to friday they basicly cancelled the show right then cause everything that gets moved to friday that isnt on sci fi channel gets cancelled. It pisses me off that shows that have no meaning get to stay on but shows like enterprise get cancelled it just shows how stupid these networks are today. LONG LIVE ENTERPRISE. Star Trek will live forever
SAVE ENTERPRISE
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That's a rather sad benchmark. Have you actually watched the first five seasons of Stargate SG1, produced by Showtime originally? Compare that to seasons six, seven, and eight and demonstrate why it's not been anything less than absolute crap. Stargate is dead.
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Someone actually managed to get BANNED from TrekWeb!? I can't even remember the last time a post got deleted, let alone an entire poster.
-Xaliphor
I still don't understand people saying Enterprise didn't work. It was light years better then Voyager.
Voyager was the true nail in the coffin. Overall Enterprise had a different look and style to it. Voyager just didn't work from day two.
I thought Enterprise had many great moments and it's too bad this show didn't get at least one more year.
Oh well, this might leave Bakula the time to sign on for the new Quantam Leap that's in the works.
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The truth is that ENT started out with spectacular ratings:
001. "Broken Bow" Part I, Part II
9.1/12 6.3/16 7.0 11 12,540,000
http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~mvrojo/entratings.htm
So, regardless of Voyager, Trek fans were obviously willing to give ENT a chance, but episodes like "Unexpected" drove them away.
So, please go ahead and bash Voyager to your heart's content. It's ENT that failed in every possible way. :)
This was the only way star trek could have been saved from B&B stranglehold that has actually led to this sad day in Trek history. Thanks B&B for putting stat trek to rest for a decade if not more.
Maybe someday, somwhere we will see a new trek series or movie with all new and fresh production team that will herald the revival of star trek.
Thanks again to B&B....without your lame efforts this day wouldn't have been possible
As predictable as this decision was, it was the right one to make. All I can say is it's about time. ENT was a four-year experiment that just didn't work.
Let's hope Future Guy's identity is revealed in the Series Finale.
And I hope Bakula gets to say "Space, the final frontier...." in the final scene as the screen slowly fades to black.
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Space, the final frontier...
F***, Berman will probably wanna write the last episode so don't expect to see anything you want or expect to see.
Even if they do show Future Guy at the end, it will be as the camera pans over to his face & it fades [during the pan] to black & we get a 20sec hold on Berman's name [because that's what I really wanna see].
Don't believe me, check out the Voyager finally, did it there.
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Space, the final frontier...
F***, Berman will probably wanna write the last episode so don't expect to see anything you want or expect to see.
Even if they do show Future Guy at the end, it will be as the camera pans over to his face & it fades [during the pan] to black & we get a 20sec hold on Berman's name [because that's what I really wanna see].
Don't believe me, check out the Voyager finally, did it there.
It has been a great 4 years but it will be very weird having no new Trek to look forward to for the forseeable future - but no doubt they will have something else on the drawing board.
Now will they *please* fire B&B?
Yay! Enterprise is dead!
That sound you hear is the sound of 10 million nerds patting themselves on the back.
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Or the sound of Max baiting his hook. ;)
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The autumn days swung soft around me, like cotton on
my skin. But as the embers of the summer lost their
breath and disappeared, my heart went cold, and
only hollow rhythms resounded from within.
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No, it's definately self-back patting.
Seriously, this is great news. Enterprise was dead no matter if I liked it or not. There's nothing I could do to save it, it might as well go. Here's to a new life for Star Trek!
And, it wont be gone as long as most people think...
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The autumn days swung soft around me, like cotton on
my skin. But as the embers of the summer lost their
breath and disappeared, my heart went cold, and
only hollow rhythms resounded from within.
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I thought I would agree with you Ro, but I take no pleasure from this cancelation. Im not upset by it either. To bad for the fans, especially since they felt ENt was getting better.
But the truth is, the longer ENT was on air, the longer we would have to wait for quality to return to Trek. This is a hopeful moment.
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"You see stars that clear have been dead for years/
But the idea just lives on..."
-Connor O'Berst
"I don't mind the streets, but it's wet tonight."--Maya Keyes, after being throw out by her father Alan Keyes for coming out
I was hoping that maybe the cancellation was just a possibility. Now it seems so...certain.
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blah blah blah, I said no text, didn't I?
It is an ancient Mariner,
And he stoppeth one of three.
`By thy long beard and glittering eye,
Now wherefore stopp'st thou me ?
The Bridegroom's doors are opened wide,
And I am next of kin ;
The guests are met, the feast is set :
May'st hear the merry din.'
He holds him with his skinny hand,
`There was a ship,' quoth he.
`Hold off ! unhand me, grey-beard loon !'
Eftsoons his hand dropt he.
He holds him with his glittering eye--
The Wedding-Guest stood still,
And listens like a three years' child :
The Mariner hath his will.
The Wedding-Guest sat on a stone :
He cannot choose but hear ;
And thus spake on that ancient man,
The bright-eyed Mariner.
`The ship was cheered, the harbour cleared,
Merrily did we drop
Below the kirk, below the hill,
Below the lighthouse top.
The Sun came up upon the left,
Out of the sea came he !
And he shone bright, and on the right
Went down into the sea.
Higher and higher every day,
Till over the mast at noon--'
The Wedding-Guest here beat his breast,
For he heard the loud bassoon.
The bride hath paced into the hall,
Red as a rose is she ;
Nodding their heads before her goes
The merry minstrelsy.
The Wedding-Guest he beat his breast,
Yet he cannot choose but hear ;
And thus spake on that ancient man,
The bright-eyed Mariner.
`And now the STORM-BLAST came, and he
Was tyrannous and strong :
He struck with his o'ertaking wings,
And chased us south along.
With sloping masts and dipping prow,
As who pursued with yell and blow
Still treads the shadow of his foe,
And forward bends his head,
The ship drove fast, loud roared the blast,
The southward aye we fled.
And now there came both mist and snow,
And it grew wondrous cold :
And ice, mast-high, came floating by,
As green as emerald.
And through the drifts the snowy clifts
Did send a dismal sheen :
Nor shapes of men nor beasts we ken--
The ice was all between.
The ice was here, the ice was there,
The ice was all around :
It cracked and growled, and roared and howled,
Like noises in a swound !
At length did cross an Albatross,
Thorough the fog it came ;
As if it had been a Christian soul,
We hailed it in God's name.
It ate the food it ne'er had eat,
And round and round it flew.
The ice did split with a thunder-fit ;
The helmsman steered us through !
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Yah, I didn't actually write this.
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OMG you just made me go back... back into time to high school with that.
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"I think the show talked to people through the characters. They're stories that speak to the heart. They talk about love, they talk about friendship, they talk about loyalty, they talk about patriotism, exploration, curiosity, reaching out... And I think all those things still touch people. Even when you look at a 30-year old show, it still has something to say." - D.C. Fontana, Sci Fi Channel Special Edition TOS 1998
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"If the season finale involves the re-built USS Reliant coming back in time to the 21st Century crewed by Moogie, Dr. Selar, Morn, Transporter Chief Kyle, and the Salt Vampire, then we'll know that Coto has gone too far." - tomba1701
It's been 18 years straight. Literally the entire lifetimes of some posters here. But I expect that the writing was on the wall and we'll have to see what might come next.
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"I think the show talked to people through the characters. They're stories that speak to the heart. They talk about love, they talk about friendship, they talk about loyalty, they talk about patriotism, exploration, curiosity, reaching out... And I think all those things still touch people. Even when you look at a 30-year old show, it still has something to say." - D.C. Fontana, Sci Fi Channel Special Edition TOS 1998
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"If the season finale involves the re-built USS Reliant coming back in time to the 21st Century crewed by Moogie, Dr. Selar, Morn, Transporter Chief Kyle, and the Salt Vampire, then we'll know that Coto has gone too far." - tomba1701
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I, and others like me, don't believe that Star Trek needs a rest. Why does it?
People complain about lack of originality, that it's getting old. To that I say No, it just needs fresh blood to steer the ship. Just look at this season: the vast majority of fans agree that it is vastly better than previous seasons, and ranks up there with the best of the other series'... and that, my friend, is because of the fresh blood steering the ship.
People complain about overall quality of the stories and the overall direction of the show. To that I say Ditto, see above.
What Enterprise and Star Trek need is EXACTLY what they have now: new blood to steer the ship. Only they need to go one critical step further: Let B&B go, so that the true Next Generation can usher Star Trek into yet another era.
It can happen.
If we're organized.
If we can speak in one voice.
WILL it happen? Time will tell. This fan, however, is far from hopless. I trust that I'm not alone.
LLaP
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THAT is the Exploration that awaits you: not mapping stars or studying nebulae, but charting the unknown possibilities of Existence.
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Well... alot of folks forget but 4 years after TOS was cancelled, TAS came on the air and I like many fans were right there with the original cast again - albeit on an odd day and odd time (10 am on Saturday mornings...lol). Still, in that measely half hour, some interesting stories came about - most notably, poignant things about Spock and Vulcan per TAS "Yesteryear". If Paramount wants to do something - get TAS out on DVD already and quit just talking about doing it. Just do it
Another 5 years later was TMP.
There are other venues and program types that can be done in the future (animated or CGI, even live-action mini-series and specials), and "venues" should also include the novels or even a resurrection of the comic books for those who like that side of the hobby. I have a big stack of Trek books which I haven't even had chance to read (including a bunch of new ones that I got this Christmas) except when I've been travelling, so I certainly will be busy with those.
ENT has its own novel series going (along with each of the other 4 live-action series), and certainly this final ENT season has and will continue to introduce some major elements that will impact on and perhaps reinvigorate all of the other series' books regarding some of those species that were never fleshed out very well until now.
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"I think the show talked to people through the characters. They're stories that speak to the heart. They talk about love, they talk about friendship, they talk about loyalty, they talk about patriotism, exploration, curiosity, reaching out... And I think all those things still touch people. Even when you look at a 30-year old show, it still has something to say." - D.C. Fontana, Sci Fi Channel Special Edition TOS 1998
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"If the season finale involves the re-built USS Reliant coming back in time to the 21st Century crewed by Moogie, Dr. Selar, Morn, Transporter Chief Kyle, and the Salt Vampire, then we'll know that Coto has gone too far." - tomba1701
Well, it's official and it officially sucks! This season started off so strong too, even holding it's own in the Friday timeslot of death. What a shame.
Read this from the press release by UPN..
UPN and Paramount Network Television have jointly announced that this will be the final season of STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE on UPN
That text leads me to believe that the show might turn up back in syndication, which is how Star Trek: The Next Generation as well as Star Trek: Deep Space Nine were distributed. The press release specifically says "..the final season of Star Trek Enterprise on UPN". They could have just said 'final season of Star Trek Enterprise' , and that would be it, but they added UPN. Perhaps it's me hoping a bit too much, but I'd rather it go back to syndication. Especially now that the show has really discovered how to be Star Trek. It's great again, and dammit. It gets cancelled.
If it really is gone gone, I hope we don't get too long a break before Star Trek is back on TV. It's been on TV with new episodes consistantly since 1987 - that's a long time. Some might say that's the reason it needs to go away for awhile, but I disagree. Enterprise was a great series, and especially Series 3 & 4. These two years of Star Trek were some of the greatest there's been in years.
I wonder if the season finale currently ends with a cliffhanger and UPN is going to make Berman do some rework to get it to a series ender. I don't think they need to finish up with a dramatic ending if it would feel forced, but don't give us the Zero Hour Nazi Alien in the last moments.
Was interesting that last year, there was NOT two endings, that was the only ending ready to go. I think Berman knew probably about this timeframe last year that Season 4 would happen.
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Star Trek's been on the air with new episodes since TNG started all those years ago, so it'll be strange not to have new Trek available anywhere, for a while. I hope the hiatus doesn't last too long, and that when Trek comes back, it's better than ever.
They really had a great TV show. I'm glad we had it for as long as we did.
Though I never expected it to make it past this season, I'm glad we're goin' out with a bang.
It's upsetting that Paramount has also given up, otherwise I would say they should look at a deal with SciFi as an outlet for season 5..
I know there are a couple of campaigns to save this show, but the simple hard economics are going to be virtually impossible to beat.
Ah well. Four seasons isn't bad. One more than TOS managed. And there will be another series of Trek in the not too distant future. You can count on that.
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This sucks. I mean, they did it to themselves for sucking for too long, but it's such a shame to cancel what's turning into a good series. I'm really upset about it. I wonder what they mean about giving the series a good sendoff? Do you suppose they'll authorize a two hour finale to take place after the current season finale? I wonder...
I hope the hiatus isn't too long....
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"Do you suppose they'll authorize a two hour finale to take place after the current season finale?"
Now there's an interesting question. /They probably won't but it's a good idea. What'll probably end up happening is, like "Angel" did when the WB canned them too early (and too late in the season), is they'll simply beef up whatever finale they had already written.
Although, I wonder if Berman and Braga have the balls to do what Whedon did and end the show on a cliffhanger...
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"Serenity" is the movie "Star Wars" prequels wish they could be.
Cancel UPN, not the damn show!
The network will be flushed itself within a year.
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I was actually liking this season.
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"Serenity" is the movie "Star Wars" prequels wish they could be.
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