Looks like they told SaveEnterprise to take the pictures down. Luckily the other link still works (for now)...
Wouldn't a 23rd century starship being sent to the 22nd century mess up the timeline - in mirror, mirror the enterprise was as we knew it - if the Defiant goes 100 years into the past then the enterprise from mirror, mirror should of been more advanced - and I can't imagine NX-01 defeating Archer in a more advanced starship, I mean this show is produced in Hollywood - that would just seem to be wrong - how could the potentially do more episodes if archer an co. die on the defiant... no matters I am just speculating - as well its odd how the mirror universe seems to have some kind of uncanny connection to the starship defiant - thats the second time now, first smiley builds his own, then they find another one there.
-
In all the Mirro-Universe books and novels they explain that "Federation/Terran Empire" ships are closer in design to Klingon Dreadnoughts than science vessels.
In "Dark Mirror" it explained that the ISS-Enterprise ICC-1701-D was closer to being a Dreadnought-class than a Galaxy-class...
...so all of this would actually make sense...also too, Scotty made a statement in "Mirror, Mirror" that the phasers on the ISS-Enterprise ICC-1701 were extremely powerful...
having advanced technology would bring leaps and bounds into weaponry for the Empire.
Also, captains in the Terran Empire pretty much keep what they have. Mirror-Captain Kirk stole the Tantalus Field from a scientist and was not available to anyone in the fleet...so one never knows, Commander Archer could possibly keep this vessel till god knows when...
...but more likely I go with the fact that Terran Empire vessels LOOK like Federation starship..yet their fire power is immensely more powerful...
--------
"My old friend, this song's for you. Cause a few simple verses was the least that I could do to tell the world that you were here. Cause the love and the laughter, will live on long after all of the sadness and the tears. We'll meet again, my old friend"
Tim McGraw "My Old Friend"
Dedicated To My Home..New Orleans
The attention to detail is amazing. This episode is looking more and more like a fanboys wet dream, and I mean that in a good way.
As someone stated below, this could open the way for TREK that takes place near the time of Kirk, either before (Pike era) or during.
I can't wait to see the uniforms, since they've been able to justify the techological look in relation to ENT as relates to our real time technology, it would appear that things are falling into place nicely. I hope Mayweather gets to sit at the controls of the advanced version of his little tugboat of a starship. There's so much I would like to see, but there probably isn't enough time, even in a two parter to do this.
Visually and thematically, this is going to be great. It just may turn out that B&B will be able to vindicate themselves, and coming from me that says a lot since I've bludgeoned them silly in the past in this forum.
Now, after looking at these pictures I must go and change my underwear...
--------
"Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here."
Folks, I don't know about you, but that Bridge set still screams "future" even after almost 40 years! Seeing this set makes me think that, if done right (and well), a Star Trek series set during the original five-year mission would still work. Some of the sets are still dated, that's a given. But with today's SFX, the ability to use plasma (or LCD) monitors in the upper viewscreens, floor lighting such as indicated in the pictures (although maybe not as intense) and more practical lighting (like Battlestar Galactica), such a design could still look futuristic as hell. And the basic design of the USS Enterprise has not really been improved upon in the last four decades.
I once saw a post (I don't remember if it was on TrekWeb or not) that featured pictures of Kiefer Sutherland as Capt. James T. Kirk, Gary Sinese as Dr. McCoy, and Denzel Washington as Spock. While that last one is truly a mind-boggling stretch IMNSHO, the first two are definitely within the realm of possibility. Both are established TV actors (with movie experience), and both could give those roles credibility (the creator of 24 stated in a recent interview that Jack Bauer is just like Capt. Kirk). I'm not saying duplicate the roles exactly...how about changing up the crew a bit, say add some new roles to take the places of Uhura, Chekov, and Sulu? I still think you'd need a Scotsman as the engineer, but that's just me.
With kick-a$$ scripts (something which, sadly, is still lacking in the Star Trek universe), state-of-the-art SFX, some name stars like Sutherland and Sinese, and a decent time slot, Star Trek could fly again as a weekly series...and it wouldn't really need to be "re-imagined."
I know I'm gonna get flamed for this, but this might be the best possible scenario for allowing Star Trek to live beyond ENT. Of course, it'll only work if 24 and CSI: New York are cancelled, but hey, we're probably talking years into the future anyway.
--------
A generation which ignores history has no past and no future. -- Robert Heinlein
PCLinuxOS
falcon
-
Keifer Sutherland as Kirk? I could see that, unfortunately his price tag is probably going to be very high unlsess he's a fan of TOS and would do it for the honor of filling the role, and even then I would expect him to have a hand in the production of such a production. Perhaps there is a film in the works...
--------
"Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here."
Not only is this cool stuff, but the fans should be encouraged. If they are pouring so much $$$ into a TOS-era set, maybe TPTB are planning on using it in future Trek projects? So this implies a future for Trek beyond ENT S4.
--------
GET A LIFE, will you people? I mean, for crying out loud, it's just a TV show!.... You've turned an enjoyable little job, that I did as a lark for a few years, into a COLOSSAL WASTE OF TIME! -- William Shatner on Saturday Night Live (1986)
I was beginning to count Enterprise out. I watch, but my heart just isn't into it like it was. BUT when I saw the recreated sets I got that old Star Trek feeling again. It all just flooded back. What an amazing thing to do, creating all those old sets. I always thought they looked dated and cheap, but seeing them now....it just seems like happy times again. Like somehow going back in a time machine. Of course, this time the episode will be going forward into time with the ENT crew meeting one of TOS era. Here's to the possibilities ahead...
-
The Defiant crosses dimensions and goes back in time empty, since the crew killed each other just before "The Tholian Web". Which raised a good question; if the ship settles in the alternate 22nd century whole, won't it be filled with about 430 dead bodies?
--------
"Outer Space: The Last Frontier.
These are the trips of the Star Trek Enterprise. Its five year plan calls for us to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly fly where no man has gone in space. Live long, and be happy."
Patrick Stewart--SNL, Stardate 9402.05
-
When Kirk boarded the Defiant in "The Tholian Web," we did see quite a few dead bodies, IIRC. Depending on when Archer boards the ship, it could be quite some time since the crew killed each other, giving the bodies time to decompose (imagine the smell -- ugh). Or perhaps, when Archer boards her, we will again see some dead bodies in 23rd Century Starfleet uniforms. Who knows? It should be an interesting episode, to say the least.
--------
A generation which ignores history has no past and no future. -- Robert Heinlein
PCLinuxOS
falcon
-
the point in time the episode takes place. If the Defiant has already been found, "cleaned out", and they've learned how to use it, we won't see any of that. But it would be kind of neat to see them discover it and figure out from the library banks that the ship is from an alternate future since the Defiant's history won't match their own.
If I had to guess, I'd say we'll see them discover it. But even with Coto on board, I'm betting they overlook the part about the bodies. Either that, or there'll be uniforms scattered about and they'll make up something about organic matter not making the transition. Archer and company will really have no clue as to how the ship gets dropped in their lap since none of the Tholian business will be in the Defiant's logs, so it's going to be interesting. I've read many various non-canon incarnations from the S.C.E. series to comic books about what happened to the Defiant, so it will be good to have a canon answer no matter how far fetched it is!
--------
"Outer Space: The Last Frontier.
These are the trips of the Star Trek Enterprise. Its five year plan calls for us to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly fly where no man has gone in space. Live long, and be happy."
Patrick Stewart--SNL, Stardate 9402.05
Okay, let me say this, I think the sets look fabulous, there's no doubt in my mind that a lot of effort went into creating them... but... given the way this prequel looks, visually (and the acknowledged break with consistancy in so far as how the interior of the ship looks so much more advanced than the interior of the TOS Enterprise), wouldn't it have made more sense to use the bridge designs from Star Trek's II/III?
I'm no expert at Trek history, but as far as I know there wasn't much explanation given for why the bridge changed so drastically between TOS, TMP, and Star Trek II. (I think TMP was after a refit, so there was some explanation there, but Star Trek II didn't seem to justify the changes made there).
I guess what I'm saying is, just as Klingon ridges are generally accepted as just being makeup improvements, surely the appearance of the ships internally can also be accepted as better production and increased budgets.
Regardless, I think these will be some fun episodes, they certainly sound interesting.
-
Quote:
Okay, let me say this, I think the sets look fabulous, there's no doubt in my mind that a lot of effort went into creating them... but... given the way this prequel looks, visually (and the acknowledged break with consistancy in so far as how the interior of the ship looks so much more advanced than the interior of the TOS Enterprise), wouldn't it have made more sense to use the bridge designs from Star Trek's II/III?
I'm no expert at Trek history, but as far as I know there wasn't much explanation given for why the bridge changed so drastically between TOS, TMP, and Star Trek II. (I think TMP was after a refit, so there was some explanation there, but Star Trek II didn't seem to justify the changes made there).
I guess what I'm saying is, just as Klingon ridges are generally accepted as just being makeup improvements, surely the appearance of the ships internally can also be accepted as better production and increased budgets.
Regardless, I think these will be some fun episodes, they certainly sound interesting.
Couldn't we just say it was a weird phase in ship building? Maybe during that time it was the style to have "Retro" buttons and knobs and they decided that since that's what everyone liked they would try it in a starship.
-
Quote:
wouldn't it have made more sense to use the bridge designs from Star Trek's II/III?
I guess what I'm saying is, just as Klingon ridges are generally accepted as just being makeup improvements, surely the appearance of the ships internally can also be accepted as better production and increased budgets.
We actually see the bridge of the Defiant in "The Tholian Web, which takes place after the Defiant had it's rendevouz with Archer. No, it wouldn't make sense that the ship had the old designed bridge, then traveled to Archer's time and got a refit... Unless you just chalk it up to a side effect of the mirror universe.
--------
FREE Star Trek: Enterprise Video Game!
-
IN ST: TMP it's explained that the Enterprise was refitted from bow to stern. In ST: TWOK it's the same bridge but with the science station off to Kirk's right. Why? Better for blocking and framing shots since the science station was directly behind Kirk in TMP.
The bridge set, as well as all other TMP sets, were used in the first four films with many later redressed as sets for TNG (the bridge, sick bay, Kirks quarters, ships corridors, transporter room and others).
-
Actually, the ENTERPRISE was going through a refit in ST: II. The cadets were the one refitting it for their training cruise...kinda like on hand school situation...
--------
"My old friend, this song's for you. Cause a few simple verses was the least that I could do to tell the world that you were here. Cause the love and the laughter, will live on long after all of the sadness and the tears. We'll meet again, my old friend"
Tim McGraw "My Old Friend"
Dedicated To My Home..New Orleans
I don't know what else to say. Wow.
*crys tears of joy*
--------
Scientists discover the world that exists;
engineers create the world that never was.
-Theodore von Kármán
-
Definitely brings that warm feeling to the heart... I'm not old enough to be that nostolgic, but I am anyway lol. I'll definitely give them an A for effort here... it's sad that ENT is finally trying, and getting pretty good, and it might not be back for another season. If it does go, it seems at least that it will leave on a high note, and episodes like what we've been seeing and will see soon will definitely stick in people's heads. Let's hope this episode is a damn good one.
--------
Lily: You mean those bionic zombies you were talking about? The...
Picard: Borg
Lily: Borg... sounds Swedish ~Star Trek: First Contact
I will be the first to say WOW to this. These sets look great, especially the replica of the Defiant Bridge. I'd like to get a close-up of that plaque, though.
:-)
Now put some Orion slave girls dancing around the Captain's chair and we are in business.
[haha ... sorry, didn't see your post before I rambled about the plaque too; AND I'm not the first to say WOW ... oh well]
--------
"What we leave behind is not as important as how we've lived."
~Picard
Was anyone like me when seeing those images. Tears rolling down your cheek, a shiver crawling up your spine?
I loved those images, the more and more I look at them I hate to say how easily these sets are reproduced. I need to actually attempt to make these sets....
Anyways, wish I could have gotten a better look at the dedication plaque, I think it says "Constitution Class" instead of "Starship Class" which was on the original episode....oh well........
DROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!
--------
"My old friend, this song's for you. Cause a few simple verses was the least that I could do to tell the world that you were here. Cause the love and the laughter, will live on long after all of the sadness and the tears. We'll meet again, my old friend"
Tim McGraw "My Old Friend"
Dedicated To My Home..New Orleans
-
Well, the photos have been removed now :'(
Did anyone perhaps save them so they can upload them on Trekweb? (maybe as a signature, how can Paramount request that be removed?)
--------
"So you want me to star in the film, write the theme tune, sing the theme tune"
-
Paramount can request those be removed because that is photographed property of their sets. They have the right to tell ANYONE what they can and cannot put on their websites or books that was not expressely given permission to publish said articles...
--------
"My old friend, this song's for you. Cause a few simple verses was the least that I could do to tell the world that you were here. Cause the love and the laughter, will live on long after all of the sadness and the tears. We'll meet again, my old friend"
Tim McGraw "My Old Friend"
Dedicated To My Home..New Orleans
-
Don't try to be a Perry Mason. You're a proven liar, anyway. Evidenced by that gutless lying trolling sig link of yours.
But hey, Berman did things YOUR way, and now your show is CANCELLED. Happy now?
-
I'd like to see a screen shot of the bridge scene from "The Tholian Web" to see if the plaque was ever shown.
I'll go to the roof and activate the Jadzia Signal.
--------
"Outer Space: The Last Frontier.
These are the trips of the Star Trek Enterprise. Its five year plan calls for us to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly fly where no man has gone in space. Live long, and be happy."
Patrick Stewart--SNL, Stardate 9402.05
(1)
| 
