You sit there and say you want to start fresh with a new management team THEN you want Moore back??
Listen. You can't have "one" person write all of Trek for 20 years etc. Moore has his time...it is time to forget Moore! Let him go play with his silly revamp with the delusions of giving people "some new". haha
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Yes.... Moore will bring in slick and gritty realism. Maybe a sort of take on COPS only it takes place in the Star Trek universe. It'll be called Star Trek: Hookers on the Corner. or Star Trek: The Angry Black Guy. or Star Trek: The Funny Gay Guy. Or perhaps Star Trek: Afterschool Special of The Day starring Mrs. Garrett.... GIRLS! GIRLS!! GIRLS!!!
Yeah... I kinda layed on the sarcasm thick didn't I. Well it's just as well deserved, all this hype on BSG is overdone. Trek is in a bad state right now, easy enough for an disgrunted ex-employee to attack it and have anti-fans just as hateful of anything trek to trump him on. Good one on ya Moore.
I do hope Ent gets cancelled this year. No more Trek, no more cheapshots!!! :D
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Moore has shown he's capable of making a rich, compelling series when he's handed the reins, so I would trust him to make Trek great again if Berman isn't there looking over his shoulder. If they're going to bring in a replacement for Berman, Moore is someone I would be comfortable with.
In retrospect, it probably would have been better for Enterprise fans if UPN had cancelled it last season. Paramount clearly wanted to continue producing the show for another year, so they would have found an outlet in syndication or elsewhere, which means chances of future seasons would have been more likely. But I doubt Paramount still has the motivation to do that and UPN certainly sounds like it isn't motivated to keep it on the air even at the bargain basement price it's now paying. If UPN cancels Enterprise this season, that will be the end of it, and it's sounding more and more like that's what's going to happen. I expect we'll actually hear an official announcement one way or another in the next couple of weeks and not have to wait until May like last season.
I watch Enterprise regularly out of loyalty to the franchise, but I think only a few episodes out of the entire series were really any good. I won't miss the show at all. I hear a lot of people saying that this season the show is finally getting good. I've got to wonder if we're watching the same show. I can understand people enjoying the Vulcan Civil War arc (though I agree with Deus that it was kind of cartoonish) but it smacked more of damage control than anything else, an attempt to fix the problems created by Bermaga in the first three seasons. I didn't like the Storm Front arc at all and I hated the Augments story arc. The couple of standalone episodes, like Home and Daedelus were pretty bad. I think last season was overall much better, though that's not saying much.
If UPN defies expectations and actually renews the show, fine. But I really think Star Trek in general would be better off if Enterprise were to go away.
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TACTICAL ALERT!!!!!
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Article from SciFi Wire:
Moonves: A Break Good For Trek?
Leslie Moonves—co-president and co-chief operating officer of Viacom, the parent company of CBS, UPN and Paramount—told SCI FI Wire that it may be time for Star Trek to take a break, though he added that no decision has been made on the future of UPN's ratings-challenged Star Trek: Enterprise. Speaking in an interview at the CBS/UPN winter press tour in West Hollywood, Calif., Moonves said: "It's hard to say right now. The ratings aren't great. It may be a franchise that should be rested a year or two. I know the diehards are not in favor of that, but I think if we rested a year or two, it might be a better thing. But we'll see what happens the rest of the year."
Persistent rumors say the show is on its last legs, that UPN has cut its season order from Paramount, which produces the show, and that star Scott Bakula (Capt. Jonathan Archer) is ready to quit. All untrue, cast members told SCI FI Wire. "I'll be disappointed if we wrap up this year," Bakula said in a separate interview. "I'd hate to see it end this year. … We're waiting to hear. It's a funny place to be in. I love the crew. I love the cast. The work situation has been tremendous. We're doing creative work, still, I think. And I know we have a lot of fans out there. So … as a television gig would go, it's a great, wonderful gig. And I'm loving it. So I will be disappointed. But we'll see. It ain't over until it's over."
Bakula and other cast members told SCI FI Wire that they expect, if UPN decides to cancel the show, the network will give producers enough notice so that they can write a finale to the series. But as the writers are currently writing the 21st of 22 season episodes now, that notice would have to come in short order. "We've got to know soon," Bakula said. "So I don't know. They're not under any obligation to let us know. They can do whatever they want to do, and they may. … We don't call those shots."
Even so, Bakula said, "The indication was [and] has been often that this would be our last season. But then … we were told we were going to get an early indication of that so we could wrap the show up in a nice way. And here we are, it's the end of January, and I know that they've broken stories through the 21st [episode]." Enterprise wraps production in March; an announcement about cancellation could be delayed as late as May.
Moonves said that a final decision will depend on how Enterprise performs in the ratings for the rest of the season, which will include new episodes exploring the "mirror universe" introduced in the original Star Trek series and a two-episode arc explaining why Klingons went from smooth foreheads to bumpy ones. How well would the show have to perform to be renewed? "I don't make predictions on what level," Moonves said. "It depends on what development is and what the rest of the schedule is like." But, he added, "I think the show this year has been much better [creatively] than last year. I like the changes that have been made. ... [As for the ratings,] when you're dealing with UPN, you're dealing with different expectation levels." Star Trek: Enterprise airs Fridays at 8 p.m. ET/PT. Â
This doesn't look good, troops! But I completely disagree that we should resign ourselves to this being the last season. Moonves and Ostroff said the self-same thing last year about "disappointing" ratings., etc., etc.,
This should be a challenge to us to let ol "Less" know that we are watching but not getting counted!
Point out that since (by his own admission) the quality of the series is increasing as well as the word of mouth and positive buzz about it, it would be far better to have another year or two of quality shows to bolster the dvd's sales and syndication sales.
Also point out that it makes good business sense to allow DVD sales to drive ratings on the TV show AND to let the TV show drive sales of the DVDs.
Tell him if you are not able to see ENT on Friday night at 8 PM due to myriad sports preemptions in some of the biggest markets in the country. Remind him that none of UPN's other shows must compete against themselves the way Enterprise does due to the re-airing of the show on Sunday (Saturday) night.
Let him know that ENT is under such pressure from the press now because it has been virtually deserted by its network since the second half of season 2 - no promotion outside of UPN and virtually none within it.
Ask Moonves if he seriously expected ratings to go up when he moved the show to Friday nights... the death slot. And even so, ratings are very nearly the same level on Friday night as they were on Wednesday night. Why did UPN send out all those press releases about how much ENT was improving Friday ratings only to turn around now and say the ratings are disappointing?
It doesn't matter too much what you actually say in your letters, aside from telling him that you watch ENT faithfully, recognize its excellent quality and want to see it continue for at least another season, even if that means that Paramount must move the show to a different broadcast outlet!
But if we have any hope of seeing ENT next year, we ALL need to write those letters, frequently, and get more people to watch the show.
Here are the people to target and their addresses:
Mr. Leslie Moonves
Co-President, Co-Chief Operating Officer Viacom, Inc.
CBS Broadcasting Inc.
51 West 52nd Street
New York, NY 10019 U.S.A.
OR
CBS Television
CBS Television City
7800 W Beverly Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90036
Ms. Dawn Tarnofsky-Ostroff
President
United Paramount Network
11800 Wilshire Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90025
Mr. David Stapf, President,
Paramount Network Televsion
c/o Paramount Pictures
5555 Melrose Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90038-3197
Mr. Sumner M. Redstone
Chairman & CEO
Viacom International
1515 Broadway
New York, NY 10036
Mr. Tom Freston
Co-President, Co-Chief Operating Officer
Viacom International
1515 Broadway
New York, NY
10036 U.S.A.
Please write these people of your support for Enterprise and tell them you want another season of this excellent TV show.
Now is not the time to give up. Scott certainly doesn't seem to be doing that, and I'm certain the talented, hard-working cast and crew are not either.
Now is the time to let your voices be heard. Please join SaveEnterprise and Enterprise Project in this effort to keep quality science fiction and quality drama on network TV. Help Save Enterprise
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"Make just a ripple. Come on be brave. This time a ripple - next time a wave."
"I lost something out there... and I don't know how to get it back" Archer in "Home"
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you are a strange case are you not? Do many other trekkies watch ENT out of loyality to teh franchise?Im as big a fan as any, but I stopped watching VOY long about season five and have only seen a smattering of ENT eps. Becasue I know that ENT simply cannot achieve even base Trek standards of quality. They can do shows that stand out in relation to ENT episodes, but the characters and the premise is far too damaged to produce anything that compares to TNG/DS9 levels. Sadly, that handicap was set in stone within the first few episodes.
I admit Cotto's continuity kick is appealing, but its no fun for me as a fan becasue Ive already written off the lasting significance of ENT canon. In a year no one will remember any of it. So I dont see the point in watching.
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"You see stars that clear have been dead for years/
But the idea just lives on..."
-Connor O'Berst
"I don't mind the streets, but it's wet tonight."--Maya Keyes, after being throw out by her father Alan Keyes for coming out
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Well, I stopped watching Voyager around the same time you did and then regretted it. I ended up watching all the remaining episodes in syndication. I decided not to repeat that mistake. I'll watch all of Enterprise this time and never watch it in syndication. But yeah, maybe I'm a strange case. :)
Mr. Moonves appears to have finally seen the light. Star Trek in its current state would continue a slow and painful death if they continue on with sub-standard tv series and critical/Box office movies. They better stop while they are still a litlle ahead, recoup and make a comeback when the time is right. The current competition is too much for enterprise and it doesnt help if the competition is more talented too.
I think its a good idea let star trek rest for 5-10 years and than bring it back with a bang. Let the old guard go for good and bring in new talent. In 5-10 years hopefull people apetite would be wet for some star trek and new blood at the helm of star trek at that point might works wonders.
I am a hard-core trekkie...but that doesnt mean i would let some people just grind trek into oblivion with uncreative and lack-luster production efforts so they can get a steady big paycheck. Better have star trek go with honor rather being a figment of its former glory.
Adieu's...the end in=s near..and its all good.
...is yet another nail being pounded in the coffin of the Trek franchise. And as a life-long Trekkie, I say, thank you oh so very much, Mr. Leslie Moonves. If it's obvious to a television executive, blind folks ought to be able to see it: Star Trek needs a rest. It's been flogged mercilessly for 17+ years, with only an occasional care for quality. Let's have done with it for a while. Star Trek survived just fine for 10 years without any new TV series episodes or movies after its cancellation. In fact, it flourished, and became the phenomenon that it is. We need new blood to run the franchise, folks who have a deep love of what Star Trek was and can see how to take that grand tradition forward. We don't have that now, and the only way to get it will be to end the franchise as we have known it.
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...and so it should die for a while. I LIKE this season, I really do, but it's a case of just too little, just too late. For a DECADE B and B didn't care about what they put on the screen. They talked up all the "new" and "different" when all they did was write story after story as though they were asleep forgetting all about the new and different, not to mention the premise and the drama that could have gone with it.
Paramout should have pulled them back YEARS ago. Now the franchise pays for it.
Look forward to the next Trek...in a decade or so.
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"We've been attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of our culture." ---Pastor Ray Mummert speaking of those who favor Darwinian Evolution over Intelligent Design.
"If this is your God, he's not very impressive. He has so many psychological problems; he's so insecure. He demands worship every seven days. He goes out and creates faulty Humans and then blames them for his own mistakes. He's a pretty poor excuse for a Supreme Being." ---Gene Roddenberry
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Though I do think this season has been an improvement but I believe it's too much too late. Time to let this franchise, which has no one to blame but Paramount for flogging it for all it's worth, rest for awhile. Let someone else reinvent the show in 5 years. People may be wanting more by then but most dont now. Maybe give us verious different themed TV movies or something but you have to understand most fans have abandoned the show already and arent coming back.
This is Star Trek's biggest "cliffhanger" really, and it makes me even more determined to fight for the shows renewal. There is still a slim chance to win...
I for one would love to see the show continue. This year has been a good one for the show, and I think it would only get better. However one thing, that on the surface looks good, that bothers me is the idea of an early warning so that the show can end properly.
Last year Angel was given such a warning by the WB when it was canceled. This in turn gave the writers an opportunity to craft a proper finale for the series. That's all well and good, but recently it has come to light that if the WB had waited to determine the show's future later in the year it most likely would have been picked up. The television world is so tulmultous, and can change so fast, that even a difference of a month or two can make a vast difference.
I guess it's something of a trade off, but worth keeping in mind all the same.
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"Time is a face on the water."
-Stephen King, The Dark Tower Series-
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You bring up an excellent point. WB, in looking at their decision to cancel Angel in it's 5th season (and one of my favorite ones), saw that "Oops, we made a mistake in cancelling that show." They actually tried to get the whole cast back for either TV movies, or continuing the series. Most of the cast had moved on to bigger things, and no one seemed all that interested in coming back. One of my favorite series was cancelled because WB gave them an early warning to wrap up the series in a cool way. However, if they had waited until May, I'd probably be watching Angel season 6 right now.
While Enterprise has been better this season, I'm not sure it's at the same level as Angel was. The 2-part Nazi thing sucked. Home was an average episode. I liked the 3-part Augments arc, but that was probably because I liked seeing Brent Spiner again, and part 2 of the arc was stellar. The 3-part Vulcan arc was ok, but dragged on in parts and was obviously just done as a clean-up of continuity to bring the Vulcans to where we know them to be. And the stand alone Daedelus episode was good from a character level. Unfortunately, Enterprise hasn't had many character episodes, and those episodes build on each other. You have a spattering of character episodes in the season, and each season you get to know the characters better. Look to Buffy's 7 season run, or Angel's 5 season run, or Babylon 5's 5 season run, and they all have strong well defined characters by the end. I mean there's no reason Hoshi, Mayweather, and Reed should be ancilliary characters. Was Spike, or Anya (from Buffy) characters used as back ups? No. They had clearly defined personalities. If the Star Trek writers had been there, Anya would only have a few lines here and there because she would never have been developed as a character. An ensemble show should actually include the whole ensemble.
I would, if I was a UPN suit, wait out a little longer and see how Enterprise does this season with Coto in control. No early warnings because then it's over. Keep your options open. Maybe Manny has some good character ideas in the pipe, and maybe the ratings will improve, and cancelling it would be a mistake, a la Angel and the WB. If by May, it's still the same old show with the same old ratings, bring the axe down, send everyone packing, and shelve Star Trek for a few years.
When you do bring Star Trek back from that, DO NOT have Berman and Braga return. Hand full control to Manny Coto, and bring in some writers with a series or two under their belts (hint at maybe some Buffy and Angel writers might be looking for something to do).
Good. The odds of a nice long reprieve for the franchise just go a whole lot better.
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The autumn days swung soft around me, like cotton on
my skin. But as the embers of the summer lost their
breath and disappeared, my heart went cold, and
only hollow rhythms resounded from within.
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Ro, you used to be a supporter of Enterprise.
What happened?
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"I’m worried about an opponent who uses nation-building and the military in the same sentence."
George W. Bush, 2000
Get busy living, or get busy dying.
Scott's Journal
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I agree. Hopefully they'll end Enterprise gracefully and then start fresh with new management and a new series in 2-3 years. They should give Berman the golden handshake, say thanks for the good years, and beg Ronald Moore to come back and take over.
Of course it will be canned.
NBC-Universal produce a slick and gritty Battlestar Galatica first episode and Viacom puts on a show that feels like it was written in 1987 about some sad old geezer in a wheelchair.
They have given up, along with half the cast and most of the audience.
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Now I'm not going to argue that there aren't reasons to cancel Enterprise. There are. Even with it's improvement this season it isn't a perfect show. But I will argue that an episode on a sad old man in a wheelchair is not among the reasons. Or even that said episode is worse than another sci-fi show which is not even about the same things as Star Trek.
What "Daedulus" did was study the character of an old man who put his work ahead of his family and life. It was a quiet episode I admit, but very much about the consequences of exploration. The risks that must be taken on the frontier. His son paid the price that many explorers have paid throughout history. And what about his actions? Was he right to put Enterprise in danger to save his son's life? Was Archer right to go along with it even after he'd found out? What I like about this episode is that it hints that maybe there is no easy answer to that question. Certainly a crewman died in the attempt, but can you really blame a father for wanting to save his son? I don't know--but the question is there, and the writers were brave enough to not try and claim they had the answers. They were also brave enough to make it so the son couldn't be saved. That's a powerful message, that some mistakes can't be taken back--that some consequences are permenant. These things make this episode one of the best that Star Trek can offer--a morality tale that doesn't have an easy answer.
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"Time is a face on the water."
-Stephen King, The Dark Tower Series-
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I think in the series finale, they should devote the entire episode talking about how much UPN sucks for never really advertising for the show, letting a well known and beloved franchise wither on the vine under the control of Ricky and Brannon, and that people should stay away from this POS network. I'd watch it!
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Burninating across the land. Burninating the peasants.
Are UPN really going to leave the writing team hanging again this year so they have to film alternate endings?
I thought these cancelation decisions were made about this time of year?
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"You see stars that clear have been dead for years/
But the idea just lives on..."
-Connor O'Berst
"I don't mind the streets, but it's wet tonight."--Maya Keyes, after being throw out by her father Alan Keyes for coming out
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