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By Steve Krutzler / 03:48, 27 August 2004 / Reviews - Products
Two captains, one destiny.
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The movie has enough problems without making some up.
On the contrary, one can trace the introduction of the Borg (or knowledge about them) to Humanity, earlier and earlier and earlier as one progresses beyond GEN to FC, and then through VOY with 7 of 9's parents suddenly, out of nowhere, revealed as having been "studying" the Borg some 11 years before Picard and the 1701-D were hurled 7000 light years into the Delta Quadrant... through to ENT, where Borg appear in the 22nd century after having appeared in the 21st.
But going back to the original question: How is any of this the fault of Generations?
It was the opening shot in what would be a clear trend to create a totally revisionist Trek history. The attempt to re-make the Star Trek universe into something that was NOT "Roddenberry's". The death of TOS (Kirk) and the beginning of the systematic destruction of TNG (the 1701-D). Among other things.
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What, because the El-Aurians were in contact with humans in the 23rd century? According to "Time's Arrow" [TNG], we've been in contact since the 19th century!
But guess what? Except for dear Sam Clemmens, NO ONE in that era knew that Guinan was anything BUT "Human".
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(Admittedly, they weren't making their presence known quite that far back,
Exactly.
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but there's no reason to believe that we weren't in contact in the 23rd or even 22nd centuries. Yep, Enterprise can use El-Aurians if they want to!)
My problem is NOT with Humans being in contact with El-Aurians. It is the fact that the El-Aurians were there in GEN, why? Because they were refugees. And WHO made them "refugees"? Right, the Borg. If they had NOT been called "El-Aurian refugees", then maybe this could have slid by. But the fact that Soran's WHOLE existence and obsession was due to the Borg and thus even if the Nexus never existed, his state of mind regarding the loss of his family, was ALL "Borg" related. And the Nexus only made matters worse, enhancing his grief and determination to be with his family, thus prompting him to try to get back into it so that he could be at peace.
And the fact that they were on a Federation Transport ship - do you actually believe that diplomats and psychologists and others from the Federation didn't bother asking them questions about WHY they were "refugees"? And you don't think that they mentioned the fact that the "Borg" MADE them that way? Why would someone "hide" that fact, considering how horrible the Borg were to anyone who they came in contact with?
Thus by the time of the 24th century, there should have been some info on the "Borg" and Picard, et al wouldn't have had to stare blindly at a Cube not knowing what it was and then going through the 20 questions with Guinan regarding who the Borg were in TNG "Q Who?".
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In any case, if we're already accepting that Guinan never bothered to mention the Borg to Picard before "Q Who?",
NOT just Guinan. What about the REST of them? According to Scotty, when all was said and done, they managed to get something like 47 "out of 150" during that transport.
What about the 47 of them, which included Guinan AND Soran???? Are we THAT stupid as Humanity?
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despite the fact that they were obviously old friends (even excluding the events of "Time's Arrow"), maybe there's a reason why the El-Aurians were keeping quiet about it?
Why SHOULD they? The fact is that they were such a VISCIOUS group of beings who Guinan describes thusly in TNG "Q Who?":
"I was not personally involved... But from what I have been told they came through our system like a storm of Jaradan Aser beatles. And by the time they left, there wasn't much left of our society."
So why would they want to hide this so that others might suffer?
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Although I honestly have no idea what that reason might be... Maybe every time someone asked, they just said "I don't want to talk about it." They are better listeners than talkers... ;-)
That's bull.
And let me tell you... Personally, when GEN released, I didn't care. And that's because TNG "Q Who?" actually had dialog where Guinan mentioned that this had happened to her planet about a "century" before... Which would have been about 20 years before the time of GEN IF the "century" bit was literally meant to be "100 years". It seemed clear to me that calling them "refugees" seemed to suggest that whatever happened to them had happened more recently within the timeframe of the 23rd century, if not, then around the time of the end of Kirk's 5-year mission.
However, when you take that, and then look at the Borg suddenly going back in time in FC, and then you find that 7 of 9's parents - the Hansens had actually been "studying" the Borg... And now you have an ENT "Regeneration" with Borg reanimating out of nowhere on 22nd century Earth.... I mean come on.
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Again, the point is that the conundrum of the El-Aurians and the Borg existed before Generations. It had been implied before Generations that the El-Aurians had been keeping quiet about the Borg for some reason, and the movie just silently continued with that inference.
THAT is the same type of crap as ENT "Acquisition" where no one asks the name of the Ferengi. 
The problems in GEN with the usage of this ended up introducing MORE problems... If it had just been maybe Soran and Guinan as the only survivors, then perhaps both might have kept "quiet". However even then, Soran's WHOLE EXISTENCE was based on the MISERY he had because of the Borg, and the Nexus would supposedly soothe this... So of ALL people... He should have been the blabbiest of them all regarding that which destroyed what he supposedly loved, thus leading to his obsession to get back with them in the Nexus.
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The trend is very true and very much a shame, but please don't act like Generations is to blame for this.
It started that trend and it was continued because it was like the pioneer out there saying:
"Canon is irrevelent. Consistency is irrelevent. We will use contrived time travel to incorporate nonsense elements to make this universe our own."
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As you pointed out above First Contact and especially "Dark Frontier" [VOY] and "Regeneration" [ENT] hold the true culpability for this. (I would've swalloed "Dark Victory" a little easier if the father had mentioned "Rumours from the El-Aurians...")
GEN started it. And it's funny how people want to skip over the transgressions related to TNG and point fingers at VOY. ;-) Those transgressions started at TNG and VOY picked them up and ran with them.
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With characters as different as Guinan and Martus already in the mix, I don't know how you can seriously make a claim like this... Do you think he wasn't a good enough listener?
Did you notice the idiotic dialog crafted for him that sounds like a literal recitation OF the species archetype where he says to Geordi:
"As you may or may not be aware, I am an El-Aurian. Some people call us a race of "listeners". We listen."
I mean THIS IS LAME.
Guinan wasn't reciting that she was from a "race of listeners". She carefully tended bar and observed the conversations of those all around her. And if need be, she would step up and make a comment or suggestion to people or give someone some sage advice as a good little 3rd party commentator can do. But not Soran. He does the complete opposite. Aggressive, in your face. Until such time when the scene is ratcheted back in to at least suggest that he WAS supposed to be an "El-Aurian". In essence, he's just your run-of-the-mill "bad guy" and could have been of any species because there was little or nothing about him save for one little scene where he senses Guinan there in Ten Forward and slips away... Otherwise, he's generic.
And all the existence of Soran does is completely deflates everything that had been built up about Guinan and makes it all meaningless. Ie., the character is made to totally discredit himself and the species. NOT because he may have been an odd-ball, but because of the dialog given to him and his actions.
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