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By: Jadzia-Dax (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:49:26 on Aug 18, 2004

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Coto might be off on the time period for Colonal Green, but the guy is at least trying.

And poor Steve... What's his excuse? LOL

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I often wonder if Rick Berman has ever watched all the episodes of TOS.

Yes - I believe that he and Braga did finally do so but who knows how long ago.

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Maybe's he's just too busy in his job.

As he should be, being a manager.

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But with the financial importance of the franchise, and his lofty salary, you'd think he'd want to know Star Trek inside and out.

Ehh... I don't know for someone at his level of the organization. But for any WRITER (including himself), what SHOULD HAPPEN is that instead of making conscious decisions to change canon, they should write around it and ADD to it in a meaningful and plausible way.

And what I've been seeing them (and more specifically Braga) do with ENT is literally taking CANON things and "turning them on their ear", and THAT is what I protest against.

You don't get up there in a public interview and flaunt your ignorance. And it's comments like this by Braga (from here):

"I totally and completely disagree. It's the dumbest comment in the world and I am so tired of hearing it. What have we done? Give me one good example. There are some picayune things that we have chosen to do. We have not broken the rules, but we have bent rules. But there's nothing that important. It's not like we've stated that Kirk [William Shatner] never existed. What have we done?

"In fact, we're very slavish to the continuity. I've got people on staff who do nothing but check the continuity. We're constantly aware of it and we use it. We're very aware of it. In fact, I enjoy figuring out the continuity. One of the reasons that I never really did anything with the Romulans, besides the fact that people didn't really seem to be very interested in them in Nemesis, it that we couldn't do anything with the Romulans. It had been stated that no one had seen them before. So what were we going to do? Have guys in helmets all the time? We are extremely aware. If the readers can give me examples of significant breaches in the continuity, please do."

And this (from same source):

"Yes, it is definitely a prequel. It's not an alternate timeline, of course not. The only criticism about the continuity that has any merit at all - although I think in the end it is wrong - is that we're changing the Vulcans. That's just absolutely not true. If you look at the way the Vulcans behave [on Enterprise], they're exactly the way they've behaved on Star Trek. It's just a different century, when their culture was perhaps a little less progressive in their embracing of humanity. Cultures change. You know what I'm saying?

"Also, we've barely seen any Vulcans. If you tally up the episodes of Star Trek, from all the series that had Vulcans, we've only spent some time with Spock [Leonard Nimoy] and Tuvok [Tim Russ]. But we know very little about Vulcan culture. We know a little here and there. So we wanted to explore it. We wanted to explore the paradoxes of it and show how interesting it is. Some people are like, 'That's not Star Trek! That's not the Vulcans!' Well, who's to say what it is?

I mean THIS is just ridiculous.

The honeymoon IS OVER Brannon Braga and you just turned 40 years old. Time to face the music.

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And if he has watched them before, how often does he go back to the source material for a refresher?

It's not like they have to even pull out the tape to do so unless they really want to see the reference in context with a particular scene. A guy who has been working in there since they have - Mike Okuda, along with his wife, WROTE an Encyclopedia. And it is arranged alphabetically AND it explictly notes the canon source of the term giving the series and episode, where it occured. And if there is any conjecture, that is duly noted in the description.

I mean, anyone who has seen the DS9 box set promo interviews with Berman (one version of which is on the NEM DVD), can see Berman sitting there with a bookcase behind his head with the Encyclopedia on the shelf plain as day. ;-)

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That's the first thing Harve Bennett did when he took over the movie franchise. He watched every single TOS episode. He respected the source material, took pieces from it, and presented it in a new way. That's why you see bit characters from TOS in his movies, like Transporter Chief Kyle, now serving in new positions in the movies. It's those kind of touches that tie everything together.

Exactly. And even Sussman has done little nods here and there - with the Malurians that appear in ENT "Civilization" that were mentioned (but not seen) in TOS "The Changeling".

But if one of the writers is going to tackle a known, then care must be taken regarding the repercussions of that to the future. And sadly, alot of what they have done (or "mis-done") was supposedly because of FC and the claim that the events of this film changed all of the Trek universe.

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"I think the show talked to people through the characters. They're stories that speak to the heart. They talk about love, they talk about friendship, they talk about loyalty, they talk about patriotism, exploration, curiosity, reaching out... And I think all those things still touch people. Even when you look at a 30-year old show, it still has something to say." - D.C. Fontana, Sci Fi Channel Special Edition TOS 1998
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"If the season finale involves the re-built USS Reliant coming back in time to the 21st Century crewed by Moogie, Dr. Selar, Morn, Transporter Chief Kyle, and the Salt Vampire, then we'll know that Coto has gone too far." - tomba1701

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