It's been said on Enterprise that Archer has an important role in the formation of the Federation. If the movie is going to show the Romulan Wars, then he will have to be in it. Why? Because the Federation was forged in the fires of the Romulan Wars. He'll have to have an important role if it's going to be about the Romulan Wars.
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If you think about it, a movie prior to Enterprise could explain what happened to Earth society and what lead it to evolve into the world Archer lives in. Berman says the project is still infant, so please don't ramble about the idea yet - whether it will deal with the Romulan Wars or not. There are likely some false rumours too.
Everything else Berman says, sounds just perfect! It's going to be a very interesting forth season of Enterprise!
Berman quote from comingsoon.net
"the movie would have nothing to do with any of the characters that have existed before in other "Star Trek" series. "It would be an entirely new setting and an entirely new set of characters, and it would take place prior to any of the series."
Is there anyway the fans of star trek can band together to stop this man ruining star trek? Petition or something? Something has to be done!
BTW how can this new film be about the rom war when it is set BEFORE ENT???? I thought ENT hadent even had a first encounter with the roms?
Quote from Rick Berman:
"And there's a lot of things that need to get ironed out in terms of scheduling, in terms of money. ... But he would play an incarnation of a 'Kirk', yes. He would not be playing another character."
So, Kirk's disembodied soul takes over a younger character if ENT's budget can afford only some ghostly voiceover from Shatner?
The prequel buzz has been around a while, e.g. in this AICN article from March. Seems to me that the Academy movie idea may be a rework of Harve Bennett's completed (1989) script for Star Trek: The Academy Years, mentioned in this 1999 StarTrek.com article.
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Ok. Please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Star Trek about the future? About humanity evolving and improving? So then why the heck do they keep talking about moving backwards? TOS, TNG/DS9/VOY, then backwards to before TOS with ENT. And now a movie before ENT?
I wonder whatever happened to going forward. You'd think the whole backwards in time thing would die by now.
Kirk comes back - I've already clearly expressed my opinion on this topic. I would rather remember Kirk as the iconic hero of TOS than see him squeeze his rotund body into a uniform and perform a sad caricature of himself for the amusement of a handful of pathetic fanboys.
Frakes directs the next film - meh. I don't have anything against Frakes. He directed what I think is the second-best Trek film ever (First Contact), and I don't hold him responsible for Insurrection, which compared to Nemesis was a masterpiece. We need to face the reality that a Spielberg or a Peter Jackson or a Martin Scorcese is never going to wake up one day and decide they want to direct a Trek film.
The next film is another prequel - I blame Lucas and Star Wars for this. Phantom Menace started this whole "prequel" craze. The story of the Alpha Quadrant needs to be continued, we need to see what happened to Sisko, etc. Not more Prehistoric Trek.
Braga now in executive role - so what? Coto may be showrunner, but as long as everything has to be run through Bermaga, anything that even remotely resembles quality storytelling will be squashed in favor of more "time travel craziness".
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Ooooh, I can hardly wait for the film. Is this the best they could do? Who is going to see a movie with totally new character (other than the people who think Enterprise is well written.
I say mix up all the casts and make a Big Adventure with "Q" or some big Alien Bad guy.
The only way I would like Kirk Back is if they undo his death from Generations.
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Kirk comes back - I've already clearly expressed my opinion on this topic. I would rather remember Kirk as the iconic hero of TOS than see him squeeze his rotund body into a uniform and perform a sad caricature of himself for the amusement of a handful of pathetic fanboys.
Right on. Kirk is my favorite character of all time but let him rest.
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Frakes directs the next film - meh. I don't have anything against Frakes. He directed what I think is the second-best Trek film ever (First Contact), and I don't hold him responsible for Insurrection, which compared to Nemesis was a masterpiece. We need to face the reality that a Spielberg or a Peter Jackson or a Martin Scorcese is never going to wake up one day and decide they want to direct a Trek film.
I'm indifferent to Frakes as a director as well. One hit, one miss in my book. I wish Nimoy would direct more; I liked Star Trek III & IV and he also did Three Men and a Baby. He hasn't directed anything since '95, however. :/
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The next film is another prequel - I blame Lucas and Star Wars for this. Phantom Menace started this whole "prequel" craze. The story of the Alpha Quadrant needs to be continued, we need to see what happened to Sisko, etc. Not more Prehistoric Trek.
Again you are right. And Lucas has done just a bad job with his sequels.
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It's always funny how people say that they are Shatner fans and then blast his weight.
Who do you really think you're fooling?
Captain Kirk needs a happy ending. You want ratings? That's how you get them. And why is everyone agreed that this will bring in ratings? BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE!
The whole reason for doing this is to get people to actually watch your show.
Star Trek is one universe, and Kirk is a VERY important part of that universe. His death was absolutely unacceptable. No one is asking Shatner to do the flying dropkick or doublefisted punch. But the Kirk of TWOK--the best damn captain ever, still can be given his due.
And his due is not some asinine comment like, "let him rest." I hate when people say that, as if anyone would actually prefer to rot on a planet or that a fictional character is better off dead.
Let Kirk live. Let Kirk continue to have his adventures. Aging doesn't mean you're better off dead.
And for the love of God, Shatner isn't THAT fat. YOU should keep up with him NOW, let alone at 73.
John Glenn was shot up into space FOR REAL at 76. Enough of the too old garbage.
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Kirk comes back - I've already clearly expressed my opinion on this topic. I would rather remember Kirk as the iconic hero of TOS than see him squeeze his rotund body into a uniform and perform a sad caricature of himself for the amusement of a handful of pathetic fanboys.
On this I agree.
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The story of the Alpha Quadrant needs to be continued, we need to see what happened to Sisko, etc. Not more Prehistoric Trek.
Then I suggest you check out the DS9 Relaunch book series. It deals with post-series DS9 and has been excellent so far. I'm afraid we'll never see the 24th century on screen for a very long time and by then, they'll probably just contradict what the books have done making for another pesky inconsistency.
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"It would be an entirely new setting and an entirely new set of characters, and it would take place prior to any of the series, including ENTERPRISE
To quote another franchise "I have a bad feeling about this". I hope Berman misspoke. As much as I like ENT, I think it's clear that the prequel concept isn't really working. Why go even further back into murky trek pre-history when there’s such a wellspring of story possibilities in the TOS/TNG/VOY eras? Not necessarily involving those crews but at least the environment and timelines would be somewhat familiar to audiences and would be relatively simple to build a framework of a feature film around.
If they want to go with an unseen Trek time period, how about the time between STVI and TNG? It's relatively unexplored, but ripe with possibilities.
As for ENT, I think they'd have a chance to redeem themselves if they could use S4 as an opportunity to wrap up loose ends and establish a bridge with TOS. Perhaps the appearance of Kirk could serve this purpose. Heck, S4 could also serve as a build up to the film. With some clever writing and a few plot twits and turns they could even explain some of the questions that many have including:
Why are the vulcans such jerks?
Why does the ENT look/seem more advanced than even some TNG era ships?
Why does the show open with a cheesy pop tune?
Why do 24th century aliens keep showing up years before they are supposed to be discovered?
I could see both S4 and the Film swinging either way. They could make a real effort and make it really cool, or they could really blow it and end up with steaming piles of poo.
Either way it'll be interesting to see what happens.
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Why are the vulcans such jerks?
They've always been arrogant. It's logical that they wouldn't trust emotional humans mucking up the galaxy.
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Why does the ENT look/seem more advanced than even some TNG era ships?
Because the show is made today, not in 1966 or even 1987. Would seeing string lines holding up the models help?
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Why does the show open with a cheesy pop tune?
An attempt to be a hipper show for the 18-35 year old demographics. This is not supposed to be your grandpa's Star Trek (no offense, more mature Trek fans).
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Why do 24th century aliens keep showing up years before they are supposed to be discovered?
Because the same people have been running the show for ages, and they've run out of ideas. Could you come up with something innovative after your 500th episode? It's like a preacher trying to come up with a new sermon every Sunday, week after week. It's the same material, how do you repackage it to make it interesting after the 500th time?
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Jupiter, thanks for answering the questions, but I think you missed the point. I (and everyone else, for that matter) know the 'obvious' answers you gave but kudos for trying to set me straight. Anyway I think these are concerns many fans have that could be addressed in the coming episodes with some clever storytelling.
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Why are the vulcans such jerks?
They've always been arrogant. It's logical that they wouldn't trust emotional humans mucking up the galaxy
It looks like the vulcan question may be addressed in S4. (See Manny Coto's remarks in a different post).
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Why does the ENT look/seem more advanced than even some TNG era ships?
Because the show is made today, not in 1966 or even 1987. Would seeing string lines holding up the models help?
I know the show is made today, but it is set a century before Kirk and Company. The producers and designers easily could have given the ship, props and other sets a more 'retro' look to reflect the more primitive state of 22nd century technology.
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Why does the show open with a cheesy pop tune?
An attempt to be a hipper show for the 18-35 year old demographics. This is not supposed to be your grandpa's Star Trek (no offense, more mature Trek fans).
The theme song question was a (lame) joke. I apologize for not making the humor more evident. However, if schmaltzy 80's pop music is supposed to attract a younger demographic, then I'll accept your answer.
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Why do 24th century aliens keep showing up years before they are supposed to be discovered?
Because the same people have been running the show for ages, and they've run out of ideas. Could you come up with something innovative after your 500th episode? It's like a preacher trying to come up with a new sermon every Sunday, week after week. It's the same material, how do you repackage it to make it interesting after the 500th time?
The Trek universe is huge, and I'd like to believe there's plenty of room for fresh ideas and original stories. Anyhow, the misplaced aliens and other continuity goofs can possibly be fixed with some innovative writing, much like how Shatner patched up continuity flubs from the shows and films in his novels.
Again, thanks for taking the tine to answer my questions, even though it was really unnecessary; these are questions I'd like to see answered by the series itself. Your polite, non-cynical and well-crafted responses clearly embody the positive, civil sprit of trek fans everywhere and are a tribute to the camaraderie and acceptance displayed by many users of this BBS.
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If it's set before Enterprise, then I've lost a good chunk of interest. Then again, it seems the facts are moving around all over the place with regards to the movie.
As for Kirk: meh. I'm really rather indifferent towards the character. I think it's just as gimmicky to bring him to the Enterprise timeline as the Borg, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
This will have to be short, because I didn't clean my plate at dinner, so Mom says I have to go to my room.
Of course I'll watch Shatner to see what happens, but I sure hope he does more than a caricature of Kirk. Since he supposedly thought this up, it could turn out to be little more than a vanity project. Not to mention the "help" he'll get from the rest of the creative team. I'll keep hoping I'm wrong, but I won't get real excited either.
And the Starfleet Academy idea sounds even more lame! A prequel to Enterprise? Isn't Enterprise supposed to be the FIRST spaceship of exploration? What are our young teens going to do for two hours? Go parking behind Jupiter? Go to the malls on Mars? Transport into the girl's locker room?
I can see the title now: "Top Gun in Space", or "The Right Trek Stuff."
At least tying this to the Romulan Wars had an interesting, if imperfect, relation to the Star Trek universe. Now it just seems lame lame lame...
Have they literally lost it. Maybe they plan to base a series on space shuttles and space one kinda ships being flown around by some teenagers in a space explorationcollege spliced around with their dating and social issues. Who would shell out $9 bucks to see this pre-historic star trek equivalent of crap. I think B&B are too fascianted with Smallville. I would love to see the FX on this. Star Trek is about moving forwards not going backwards. Do they know that to progress in life you have to evolve not de-evolve. Maybe B&B minds are wired in reversed which might explain why star trek is on life-support under their due auspices. Big bomb waiting to happen. Star Trek 12 would be about the great, great grand father of these space cadets trying to help wright brother fly..but wait for a straight to dvd movie this might be intresting
This just in, Berman has some beach front property in Alberta for sale.
Also, he made some comment regarding this damn bridge he's been trying to get rid of. "Cheep", sez Berman, he just wants free of that monkey!
Why am I even surprised by this? Original ideas? Improved characterization of the already-present crewmembers? Hell, no! Let's go for the ratings stunt! Well, fine, I give up. It's obvious that no one is interested in original concepts anymore. We've got to settle for soap-opera tactics.
Congrats, all you pro-Kirk zealots...you're getting what you asked for. Well, at least, hope that you are. Remember who's in charge, after all...
One thing, though..."an incarnation of a 'Kirk'"? Just what the hell *is* that? Geez, if you're insisting on going through with this ridiculous idea, at least be up-front about it! Say it's James T. Kirk, for cryin' out loud, and be done with it. That man has turned beating around the bush into an exalted art form.
The RETURN OF KIRK!! HOT DAMN!
This will be the highest rated episode ever for ENT. It will certainly beat anything that VOY did as well.
Quote:"Berman revealed that the actor would most certainly play 'James T. Kirk':"
Quote:""He had a terrific episode [idea], and we had a nice long lunch meeting with him a couple of weeks ago," Berman says. "And there's a lot of things that need to get ironed out in terms of scheduling, in terms of money. ... But he would play an incarnation of a' Kirk', yes. He would not be playing another character."
This is the ONLY moment of "clarity" this guy has shown ANYONE in the past 10 years!!! It would take an idea by Bill to get Kirk back. Let us all rejoice!
Quote:""The first two episodes ["Storm Front"] are going to be a small arc," he says. "And then there's going to be a single episode. And then there's going to be a three-episode arc. And there's going to be some levity, and there's also going to be some heavy subjects dealt with."
I wish they would stop calling a "2 part episode" an arc. Stop trying to "make it appear bigger than what it really is".
Quote:"The second arc he speaks of has been confirmed as a story involving a guest appearance of Brent Spiner ('Data') as the great-great-grandfather of 'Dr. Noonien Soong' who opposes the development of artificial intelligence.
Again, Brent finally realized WHO was paying the bills. It is a colder Hollywood outside of the nice warm blanket of Trek. Too bad, but it is too late now.
Quote:"The exec also revealed two more upcoming guest stars: THE SOPRANOS Steve Schirripa will appear in the season premiere;
They are going to have "Bobby Bacala" on ENT now!
Quote:"Joining Berman in the spoiler-filled press conference was Jolene Blalock, who dropped the bomb that her character 'T'Pol' "may" be getting married in episode three.
Yawn....Big deal!
Quote:"Berman added that the entire Temporal Cold War will be wrapped up by the end of episode two,
Only proves that this TCW was a silly idea and they had no real ending for it. So they are just wrapping it up.
Quote"and that despite contradictory remarks of late, co-creator and co-executive producer Brannon Braga will take on a "more executive role" as Manny Coto is the new "show runner."
Hopefully it means one of the idiots of Trek is stepping down.
Quote:"On the feature side of things, Berman added more intrigue to the reports of a prequel (possibly STARFLEET ACADEMY, story) film being in the early stages of development. He revealed that he's having a meeting with STAR TREK: FIRST CONTACT and INSURRECTION and THUNDERBIRDS helmer Jonathan Frakes ('Riker') about the project soon. Sci-Fi Wire says Berman has had "talks" with Frakes ahead of the meeting.
Doesn't matter if they get Frakes. The premise of the movie is stupid shit. I wouldn't ask Frages to direct another movie after Insurrection. In my opinion it was proof that any success that he had on First Contact was just luck.
Quote:"He again emphasized that the project has absolutely no relation to any existing STAR TREK characters.
This will be a nail in the coffin because 1) no one is going to care who is the movie and 2) they are going to have do develop these characters very quickly. Something that B&B have NO CLUE on.
Quote:""It would be an entirely new setting and an entirely new set of characters, and it would take place prior to any of the series, including ENTERPRISE."
So it is BEFORE ENT? So the Romulan War is going to take place BEFORE ENT? I hope he was joking.
Quote:" CBS and UPN chief Leslie Moonves told journalists that ENTERPRISE was almost cancelled: "If STAR TREK had cost the license fee that it cost a year ago, a different decision may have been made."
Whatever.......you are fooling NO one!
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This is the ONLY moment of "clarity" this guy has shown ANYONE in the past 10 years!!! It would take an idea by Bill to get Kirk back. Let us all rejoice!
Not enough clarity yet ... "an incarnation of a Kirk" ... still could be mirror or some other kind of alternate Kirk ... I can see them getting this close, doing it wrong and then claiming that they gave fans what they've been asking for for ten years. I just hope it's just plain Kirk, no mirrors or alternate universes or reset buttons involved, clearly alive after (in a non-linear sort of way) the events of Generations.
Also, the money comment might be a caution light. Can you imagine the bring back Kirk demand defeated by Shatner himself because Paramount can't pay him enough?
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Doesn't matter if they get Frakes. The premise of the movie is stupid shit. I wouldn't ask Frages to direct another movie after Insurrection. In my opinion it was proof that any success that he had on First Contact was just luck.
If you look at the way the TNG films are made, you see that they aren't made like films at all. In films, directors typically have the lion's share of creative control. In TV, producers run the show and directors do what the script and producers call for. TNG films are made like TV, with the producers (Berman) in control. So I wouldn't blame the suckiness of Insurrection entirely on Frakes. He presumably had to film the script he was handed, complete with idiotic scenes about boobs, pimples and flotation devices.
All I have to say about another prequel project, or another academy project, is why? Why bother?
But I will say this. If they bring back Kirk in a way that satisfies those who "get it" about what was wrong with what was done to the character in Generations, then they can have my money for Star Trek 11, no matter what it is. They can make a movie about turtles flatulating (which, no doubt, would have a group of folks calling it canon because, hey, it's on screen) and I'll buy a ticket if I'm happy about Kirk.
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I agreew ith most of your points here, just a couple I wanted to argue:
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Again, Brent finally realized WHO was paying the bills. It is a colder Hollywood outside of the nice warm blanket of Trek. Too bad, but it is too late now.
I really doubt that Brent was begging for money that much. Trek has set him for life already and he's been in several other things as well. Brent has always seemed cordial towards Trek and the fandom in general, so I'm sure that this guest appearance is not based on being poor at all. As well, I hate the attitude of Trek fans that the Trek stars owe them their lives. How many other actors take this kind of constant abuse from their fans. None! It's ridiculous!
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I wouldn't ask Frages to direct another movie after Insurrection.
What was so bad about the _directing_ of Insurrection that it earns such a harsh review. In my opinion, the direction was just fine, it was the script that sunk that one! :)
Third, I disagree with you about Les moonves. I'd suggest that Enterprise is lucky that it doesn't cost as much to liscense as it did in it's heyday. If it were the case, and it were getting the ratings of the current Enterprise seasons, it would be axed without a second thought. Les Moonves owes nothing to Star Trek fans and it's a waste of his money to continue a series that costs him more to run than he can make off it. This is the only reason Enteprise still exists. If it were the TNG/DSN era, and the show was getting low ratings, it would've been destroyed!
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Third, I disagree with you about Les moonves. I'd suggest that Enterprise is lucky that it doesn't cost as much to liscense as it did in it's heyday. If it were the case, and it were getting the ratings of the current Enterprise seasons, it would be axed without a second thought. Les Moonves owes nothing to Star Trek fans and it's a waste of his money to continue a series that costs him more to run than he can make off it. This is the only reason Enteprise still exists. If it were the TNG/DSN era, and the show was getting low ratings, it would've been destroyed
But you are forgetting ONE major thing that makes what Moonves says irrelevent and nothing but a Paper Tiger moment... and what distinguishes ENT from TNG and DS9.
VIACOM
AND Moonves' boss, Sumner Redstone, who also controls Paramount in addition to CBS and UPN and pulls Moonves' strings from high above at the god level of the corporate world.
Ie., "COST" is irrelevent when it's the SAME damn money going round and round and round within the same damn conglomerate.
Meaning that Les Moonves WILL "owe" something to a franchise that has a net worth of $1,000,000,000 and yearly income of $200,000,000 that comes into Viacom's coiffers.
So he can P.R. himself huffing and puffing like a big bad wolf or like a father coming home to discipline screaming kids who have driven their mother crazy all day... But when he is dealing with a franchise that has a worth 1/20th of his corporate parent company's TOTAL worth, trust that his huffing and puffing is ALL "P.R." bluff and designed to help crack the whip at his sibling company Paramount (for the purposes of "publicly chastising" them in order to soothe the advertisers who would be understandably concerned), and nothing more. And this moreso because Redstone is up there in age and probably doesn't want to have a stroke or heart attack trying to do such. ;-)
VIACOM 2003 Form 10-K SEC Filing (PDF File)
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"I think the show talked to people through the characters. They're stories that speak to the heart. They talk about love, they talk about friendship, they talk about loyalty, they talk about patriotism, exploration, curiosity, reaching out... And I think all those things still touch people. Even when you look at a 30-year old show, it still has something to say." - D.C. Fontana, Sci Fi Channel Special Edition TOS 1998
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On July 8th, Brannon Braga said:
"But there's also a prequel feature in development regarding the Romulan Wars, so we might have to stay away from that."
I guess either the plans for movie #11 changed over the past 10 days, Brannon was mistaken (which is understandable since he's not even involved in the project) or he was misquoted. Either way (once again) a lot of folks around here got hysterical with the assumptions...and it was all (once again) based soley a snippet of incomplete and vauge information.
"It would be an entirely new setting and an entirely new set of characters, and it would take place prior to any of the series, including ENTERPRISE."
See--NOT a 're-imagining' (but a prequel). To all the folks that were freaking out about that possibility, you can now give your keyboards a rest. So please, go upstairs for dinner, you've got to eat (besides, I'm sure Mom's been waiting for you).
And another little peice of sunshine for you folks--despite all your doomsday ranting, Manny Coto IS the new show-runner. That should make you all feel just dandy...right?
Right?
No?
What else is new.
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Quote:"you can now give your keyboards a rest. So please, go upstairs for dinner, you've got to eat (besides, I'm sure Mom's been waiting for you)."
So does your mother say "Ro dinner is ready" or "I know I know..ok...ENSIGN Ro your dinner is ready"?
A pretty insulting comment to people coming from a guy who went nuts about other people being "rude". Once again "do as I say not as I do". Such a lousy two face you are Ro!
Quote:"And another little peice of sunshine for you folks--despite all your doomsday ranting, Manny Coto IS the new show-runner. That should make you all feel just dandy...right?
Right?
No?
What else is new."
You don't even watch the show so why the hell do you care?
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You don't even watch the show so why the hell do you care?
This coming from a guy who watches the show and constantly puts it down...talk about double negatives here...
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Quote:"This coming from a guy who watches the show and constantly puts it down...talk about double negatives here..."
Nice try buddy, but there is NO double negative here. For what of pathetic ENT I have watched I have said getting rid of B&B might help it. Yes I rip through the show. And rightfully so, it is bad and they do NOTHING to make it better. I am not the only one who has noticed it. The fact that as a long time Trek fan I can rip through the show only tells you how BAD it really is.
As for you with a name like "Entfan" only tells me that your involvement in Trek has been minimal at best. I remember when it was much better and Trek fans were excited about new movies and new episodes.
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awwww, I like you too...
I still look forward to the movies and episodes, I enjoy Enterprise and have written B&B twice (one got a response, one didn't) telling them that I enjoyed the show and supported it. Sure, they make mistakes, all producers will. This is the primary theme taught at my college. In my first film class I ever took my teacher said "no producer is perfect, and none ever will be, 90% will hate your films and go see them to critisize them, 5% will go see them because they love them, and the other 5% have no fucking clue why they are seeing this movie either way"
It stands true for B&B, Ro made some great comments about how they both wrote for TNG and made some descent episodes.
In the end it comes down to the individual person...ENTERPRISE is limping along, agreed, and probably wont make it 7 seasons, regretfully for me, yet either way, I feel that this is the final run for Trek, before it finds new life some years down the road. But after ENTERPRISE, there will probably be no Trek for a while...
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Tim McGraw "My Old Friend"
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Quote:"Sure, they make mistakes, all producers will."
I am sorry but that is bullshit! How can you work within something for so long and not keep track of the stuff you do. Braga has said there is a staff that does fact checking. Of course he failed to mention that these people or person is a moron. I am NOT giving them ANY slack about mistakes. In my opinion their knowledge of Trek should be flawless. It is their job. It is what they have been doing for 15 years. I find this "giving them slack" attitude to be silly.
Quote:"In my first film class I ever took my teacher said "no producer is perfect, and none ever will be, 90% will hate your films and go see them to critisize them, 5% will go see them because they love them, and the other 5% have no fucking clue why they are seeing this movie either way"
I hate to tell you this but there is a big difference between what is taught in school and the real world.
Quote:"In the end it comes down to the individual person...ENTERPRISE is limping along, agreed, and probably wont make it 7 seasons,
There is NO reason why ENT has to be limping around. This type of limping is an embarassment. It is due to poor direction that Trek is in the toilet now.
WHY does everyone think that each Trek series is suppose to hit 7 seasons? I wish people would get this silly number out of their heads.
Quote:" I feel that this is the final run for Trek, before it finds new life some years down the road. But after ENTERPRISE, there will probably be no Trek for a while..."
You honestly didn't think that there was going to be Trek on TV for 50 years? Trek needs a break. That is it! They should of NOT done ENT and allowed Trek to take a nice 5 year break before coming back. The occasional TNG film every 2-2.5 years would of kept fans happy.
I am NOT afriad that if ENT is cancelled that Trek is dead forever. That is just silly. It has had a great run. It has earned a break. And for ANYONE to say otherwise then I would have to say..."get a life" because Trek or any other show is not going to be on TV your entire life. Be realistic!
Seems to me that Berman is responding, ever so slightly, to all the criticism the show has received. But more to the point, he's trying to create buzz for the show, drum up interest in it. I mean, c'mon, Spiner AND Shatner in the same season?! And T'Pol getting married?!
At least the fellow is trying, I'll give him that. I like the fact that Manny Coto really does seem to be more at the helm than Braga.
People are right: this has been one hot summer for Star Trek news. And it is a coordinated campaign, have no doubts about that.
As for the new movie, I need to know a lot more about it before I reach any conclusions. Way too early.
End of Temporal Cold War by episode 2? Is this the first time it's been mentioned that this arc will end, or has this been said before? If so, it demonstrates pretty clearly that they had no idea where the TCW was going from the beginning. To wrap up Silik, Daniels, FG, and the Xindi in just two more episodes seems like we won't be left with a very satisfying ending. No explanation given on what Silik/FG's motives were in "Broken Bow", or why the Tholians were involved in "Future Tense". Sounds more like to me that they are preparing for this season to be the last for ENT.
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It would be to the damage of humanity if people are over censored. It is like the Red Scare of the 1950's and McCarthyism. - AdzlW
i totally agree 'but it's spelt Red Square' - Klingonharder
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I think we may see a kind of end to the temporal cold war, only for it to possibly resurface towards the end of Enterprise's run....unless it's this coming year.
I welcome the presence of Spiner and Shatner on Enterprise this season...anyone who doesn't look forward to it, or are at least a bit intrigued, are fooling themselves, despite if they think it's a gimmick...they'll still watch and then blast it to bits on this board.
The paradox of bashers.
Peace to you...
One of Many
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"Well, I've got pictures!" - Phlox, The Cogenitor
I think my Trek days are coming to an end. Enterprise has changed so much (yes a show has to stay fresh) that I feel its lost total direction! But hey at least they're trying. This whole ancestor dropping does very little for me, and a prequal teen movie aint my cup of tea.
Nah I think I'll just chil out with my real Trek DVDs. ho hum.
There's buzz and excitement in the air for Star Trek for the first time in a very long time and it's a heck of a lot of fun to get some of that back.
Sit back and enjoy, folks. This is what we've all been waiting (and asking) for.
I would love to see Kirk back. I hated the way they killed him off in Generations. Or is he still alive in the Nexus energy ribbon?
I bet they go with a Mirror Kirk though.
T'Pol *may* get married? Sounds to me like it's going to be a rip-off of "Amok Time", perhaps Trip will fight her arranged husband to the death with the legendary fight score from TOS. Baybe that's what Berman meant when he said sason 4 would have nods to TOS.
Looks like a load of crap to me.
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Dig deep piles of rubble and ruins
Towering overhead both far and wide
There's unknown tools for World War III
Einstein said 'We'll use rocks on the other side'
No survivors!
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Didn't Brannon last fall say that T'Pol and Trip's "romance" would not "end in something predictable like a wedding"?
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It's a rip-off. / We're stepped on, and cheated! / We're flat, stone-cold lied to / But we're not defeated / No!
Halen. "The Dream is Over."
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I don't know, but it doesn't really matter, read my post again and if you don't get what i was saying ask me again.
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Dig deep piles of rubble and ruins
Towering overhead both far and wide
There's unknown tools for World War III
Einstein said 'We'll use rocks on the other side'
No survivors!
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But he would play an incarnation of a' Kirk', yes. He would not be playing another character."
Well that's good news indeed. An "incarnation of a 'Kirk'" (with "Kirk" in quotes) would be????
Hologram?
Nexus "echo"?
Clone?
Let the speculation begin. ;-)
It would be nice if he were the REAL deal brought back to continue his adventures until his natural death, but we'll have to take one step at a time I expect. ;-)
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"I think the show talked to people through the characters. They're stories that speak to the heart. They talk about love, they talk about friendship, they talk about loyalty, they talk about patriotism, exploration, curiosity, reaching out... And I think all those things still touch people. Even when you look at a 30-year old show, it still has something to say." - D.C. Fontana, Sci Fi Channel Special Edition TOS 1998
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"If the season finale involves the re-built USS Reliant coming back in time to the 21st Century crewed by Moogie, Dr. Selar, Morn, Transporter Chief Kyle, and the Salt Vampire, then we'll know that Coto has gone too far." - tomba1701
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It would be nice if he were the REAL deal brought back to continue his adventures until his natural death, but we'll have to take one step at a time I expect. ;-)
Maybe Kirk will somehow end up in the 22nd century and live out his days there and it turns out that Starfleet and the Federation are instrumentally shaped by an aged Kirk from the future in what would have to be one of the most intriguing and meaningful time paradoxes in STAR TREK history. In effect, have Kirk be responsible for the very existence of STAR TREK. Now THAT would be a swan song for the character.
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It's a rip-off. / We're stepped on, and cheated! / We're flat, stone-cold lied to / But we're not defeated / No!
Halen. "The Dream is Over."
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If that was the scenario, then young Kirk would have probably heard about his old self ending up in the past.
Wouldn't that screw up the timeline or something? Oh I forgot, it's already screwed up.
By the way, seeing those Enterprise models in the Enterprise-D ready room with no NX-01 kinda bugs me. Think I'll cut out a cute little picture of the NX-01 and tape it to the TV screen to fill in the blank the next time I watch a TNG rerun.
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I agree with the others. That's a really nice idea. And it's the least they could do after killing him in such a meaningless way in GEN.
If this team DOES decide to kill him again, then I hope this time they don't forget the way HE knew he was going to die, "alone."
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If they killed Kirk a second time, Star Trek would be in worse shape than it is now. Killing Kirk again is dumber than the ancestor idea. Talk about outrage. The character has to return and LIVE. If they killed Kirk again, they would have the OPPOSITE effect on the ratings. They would not improve, they would go DOWN as a sign of disgust.
The whole POINT is to give the character a HAPPY ending--not one where he's dead.
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That would be interesting. Considering that Shatner has written now 8 books dealing with his character, 7 of them "post-Generations"... And if this is based off a pitch by him (plus I understand that he feels he has learned from his experiences of TFF... ;-)), it might just be a good reconcilliation with and swan song for himself the actor/writer, as well as for the character (and for ENT), and could leave open some other options. ;-)
Be that as it may, I am sure that Bakula is celebrating up a storm, considering he's been moaning all over the talk show and entertainment and fan circuits about how "everyone else" has "met" Shatner but him. 
EDIT: Oh and I had signed up to go to Creation Con in Philly Oct. 2 - 3 where Shatner and Nimoy were scheduled to appear. Let's hope that he isn't pulled away from it and if not, I expect that these upcoming Shatner/Nimoy cons might even sell out, now that this news is out there. LOL
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"I think the show talked to people through the characters. They're stories that speak to the heart. They talk about love, they talk about friendship, they talk about loyalty, they talk about patriotism, exploration, curiosity, reaching out... And I think all those things still touch people. Even when you look at a 30-year old show, it still has something to say." - D.C. Fontana, Sci Fi Channel Special Edition TOS 1998
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"If the season finale involves the re-built USS Reliant coming back in time to the 21st Century crewed by Moogie, Dr. Selar, Morn, Transporter Chief Kyle, and the Salt Vampire, then we'll know that Coto has gone too far." - tomba1701
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Maybe Kirk will somehow end up in the 22nd century and live out his days there and it turns out that Starfleet and the Federation are instrumentally shaped by an aged Kirk from the future in what would have to be one of the most intriguing and meaningful time paradoxes in STAR TREK history. In effect, have Kirk be responsible for the very existence of STAR TREK. Now THAT would be a swan song for the character.
It would be a worthy finale. Kirk, making a difference. That's a quality ending.
Berman's quote certainly reads somewhat strangely. It seems to say Kirk, but then "incarnation of a Kirk" . . . but then again "not another character"?
Grandpa Data is already coming to visit, we don't need to see Grandpa Kirk too.
The idea that Shatner mentioned in late March was to bring the character, James T. Kirk, back. Hopefully this is the idea they are considering, but the "incarnation of a Kirk" part leaves it unclear.
Well I must say that I am thoroughlt satisfied. I have been looking forward to Shatner's return for quite a while. Now, knowing that he'll be playing Kirk just adds to my excitement. My only concern with this, is that Berman said "A Kirk". Whats that suppose to mean. Mirror Universe? Nexus Kirk? what?
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It would be an entirely new setting and an entirely new set of characters, and it would take place prior to any of the series, including ENTERPRISE.
This would seem to conflict with Braga's comment on the movie being set during the Romulan Wars. If this is a prequel to Enterprise, based in Starfleet Academy, How the hell can you have the Romulan Wars?? I guess I am confused.
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My thoughts exactly. "A Kirk" isn't as definitive as I would have liked. I guess that at the end of the day, Mirror Kirk would be great as well, but it would be nice for the real deal to come back into the franchise.
On the second point, he must have misspoken. A movie pre-Enterprise would be quite boring as outside of the Vulcans, there are no aliens in the picture yet. (This is unless Berman will now start running roughshod over hi own continuity.)
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"Commander, laws change, depending on who's making them. But justice, is justice" - Odo, "A Man Alone"
What, no comments yet? LOL.
This has sure turned out to be one rip-roaring STAR TREK news summer.
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It's a rip-off. / We're stepped on, and cheated! / We're flat, stone-cold lied to / But we're not defeated / No!
Halen. "The Dream is Over."
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Did I just read a post by Scorned, where he was excited??
IS that the sky falling down?
Seriously, I think that overall it is good news. We can only wait and see, but I am looking forward to see it.
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