RE: Bring Kirk back? Yes, but not on Enterprise. | Report this post to moderator
By: Batman2020 (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:15:01 on Jun 28, 2004

First off in this instant Kirk wouldn't be brought back from the dead he would actually be just brought from another frame in time. An as for his "Place on Enterprise by the true reality of Star Trek and its story line originally told this Enterprise shouldn't even be Enterprise. However as the history went, there were two captains of The Enterprise before Kirk's time and no mention until created for a new B&B series called Enterprise, was there ever an Archer. Yet the point is by that fact, there shouldn't be a Kirk in this continuity but this is supposed to be a prequel to that before mentioned history.

That's why there shouldn't be Borg or Ferengi because it was clearly put out they didn't show up until Next Gen time line so to have them in this time line works against what was very clearly stated as first contacts and such a threatening race named or not would be part of Trek history therefore recognized by any Trek Captain with a brain for his own required history as a starship captain.

Now this wouldn't be just the redirect of a disgruntle fan, this is the facts laid out by their own hands as the reality of Trek an so it’s been accepted as such. Yet here they are throwing out the rule book and rewriting it as they go thus throwing out the Fact that this is supposed to be a pre-history of what is Trek so when you have a massive event like "The Earth” attacked by a weapon that carved its way into Florida and many other places you would think by example of how thoroughly they use there history to help solve modern problems this might of come up.

Then on the same breath you think it so hard to believe Kirk the time jumping king couldn't end up once again in the past were he has ventured many times before? Where Archer who has been jumping to a time long after Picard isn’t as far fetched? Oh and you are right Bring Kirk or any character from the future into this show at all is a gimmick from the Borg to Future guy to anything is not writing its all flash and games to make you say wow what’s this and that’s why the bashing. Not at the hatred of the characters or just the show its they laziness and the games when he so boldly put this show in its own predicament by making it a prequel instead of a continuation of a great show just another ship of the Federation in the time line of the first five year mission or even after Kirk’s first five year mission all would fit with no complaints and little continuity problems. Do they have to be so arrogant to believe that the Enterprise was the only Federation starship to ever make a difference?


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RE: Bring Kirk back? Yes, but not on Enterprise. | Report this post to moderator
By: StillKirok (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:21:34 on Jun 28, 2004

Right now, we have to be realistic. The only active Trek venue is Enterprise. There is not going to be a movie centering on the return of Kirk. There is not going to be a TV movie centering on the return of Kirk. Kirk's only forum in canon is Enterprise. That is a given. And yes, Enterprise is better than not having it at all.

It doesn't get worse than it is now. Kirk's return is very much necessary, and thankfully, it looks like Berman at least realizes how important Shatner is to Trek. But he has to realize how important Kirk's return is.

Understand this--Kirk's return WILL be a success. That's as guaranteed as you can get. Shatner's return is a decent bump, but KIRK's return is a MAJOR bump.

And if they do it right, they will be able to have a major spotlight on Kirk if wanted in any venue.

Kirk's return on Enterprise OPENS DOORS FOR FUTURE USE OF THE CHARACTER.

Of course the character deserves major spotlight, but it would be easier to do if you don't have to explain how he is alive. Enterprise can get that out of the way.

There is no other option right now for the character. It's PASSED time. But it can happen now. It will be watched, and if done right, it will be a classic.

Kirk is COMPLETELY different from the Borg and Ferengi. Unlike those species', it CAN work. It's actually very simple to make it work because Kirk is one individual, not a race, and the premise of the show allows for Archer to deal with people from his future. There would NOT be a continuity problem with Kirk's return.

Shatner's return will not bring life to the franchise. KIRK'S return will. It will pump people up. It will be a major lift. Shatner alone would be nice, but it will not have the lasting effect they need. KIRK would put forth that effect.

NEWSFLASH: TREK IS IN TROUBLE. TREK NEEDS SOMETHING BIG. There is NOTHING wrong with going for it.

In fact, there is something wrong with them NOT going for it.

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