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More than 20 years after its original theatrical release, STAR TREK II THE WRATH OF KHAN is still widely considered the best of the Trek movie series by many fans and critics.

When ABC aired the movie in the mid-80s, excised footage which explained Mr. Scott's relationship with midshipman Peter Preston (Ike Eisenmann) and the events of Khan's trial in 'Space Seed' were re-inserted by director Nicholas Meyer himself, along with several other small scenes and character-driven moments. A couple of years ago, this extended version was released by Paramount on DVD as 'The Director's Edition."

"I put that together" Meyer told Cinefantastique Magazine in 1992. "It's ironic as a director of a feature I may not have final cut, but as a director of the television version, no one cares. Places were I was overruled, rightly or wrongly, I get to have the last word. It's very dangerous just to put things back for the sake of putting them back. I am not persuaded that artists are the best judges of their own work."

But unfortunately, not all deteted scenes were included in the ABC extended version and the Director's Edition DVD, not even as extras. But this lost footage, which includes a scene where Lt. Saavik (Kirstie Alley) is revealed to be half-Romulan, and a scene where Admiral James T. Kirk (William Shatner) introduces Saavik to David Marcus ( Merritt Butrick), were found in a STAR TREK II special preview featurette released by Paramount to the press before the movie's theatrical release in summer 1982. Here's the summary of these additional deleted / extended / alternate scenes found in this special preview featurette :

- One of the two most notable deleted scenes that was cut from the film is a dialogue exchange between Admiral Kirk and Captain Spock (Leonard Nimoy) in the halls of Starfleet Academy, in which they discuss Saavik's background and heritage:

Kirk: "Your protege's first-rate."
Spock: "She's half-Romulan, Jim. The odd mixture tends to make her blood more volatile than... me, for example."
Kirk: "Than you?" (looking at Spock) "Yes, I see that."

Nowhere in the final released version of the film, in the extended television broadcasts, or in the Director's Edition DVD, is Lt. Saavik's half-Romulan heritage mentioned. The audience assumes that she is a full-blooded Vulcan. Publicity materials, the film's novelization by author Vonda N. McIntyre, and the expanded universe of comics and novels explore and promote Saavik as half-Romulan. A two-part tale published by DC Comics in 1984 entitled "Saavik's Story" explores how Spock found the half-Vulcan, half-Romulan Saavik on a distant world. (In an ironic twist, "Saavik's Story" introduced fans to Saavik's fiance', a Vulcan spy named Xon sent underground in the Romulan homeworld. This is the same Xon that was to have been a key character in the aborted "Star Trek: Phase II" TV series from the 1970's, but whose part was cut from both "Phase II" and "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" when Leonard Nimoy returned to the project.) Other novels from Pocket Books have explored Saavik's heritage in further detail. In issue 2 of the Marvel Comics mini-serie STAR TREK THE UNTOLD VOYAGES, author Glenn Greenberg told the origin of Lt. Saavik as a savage, half-Romulan half-Vulcan girl, discovered by Spock on a Romulan planet, a backstory explored in the novel THE PANDORA PRINCIPLE by author Carolyn Clowes. Again, we remind that the only place that this footage has appeared has been in this 3-minute preview assembly from the film.

Hence the question: is this footage considered canon? It was not utilized in any released version of the film, though it was filmed during the film's production, and the references to Saavik's Romulan heritage are part of the expanded Star Trek universe. This footage would likely be considered apocryphal, since technically it was not included in any version of the film.

- Another notable deleted scene was filmed as part of the ending of "Star Trek II". The scene in question features a dialogue exchange between Kirk and Saavik on the bridge of the Enterprise.

Saavik: "On course to Ceti Alpha V, sir, all is well."
Kirk: "Good. I believe you know David Marcus?"
(Saavik and David look at each other and smile.)
Kirk (stepping down): "Ah, she's learning by doing."

The scene then continues with Kirk approaching Dr. McCoy (DeForest Kelley) and Carol Marcus standing at the edge of the bridge looking at the Genesis Planet. Saavik and David can be seen in the background standing next to each other.

This brief deleted scene would have added an additional story branch of a possible romantic relationship between Saavik and David, which would be touched upon in the novelization of "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". When this scene was ultimately scrapped, Saavik's dialogue was transferred to Kirk and utilized as part of the captain's log entry at the end of the film.

- An alternate take of the dialogue between Carol and David Marcus on the Regula I station was also filmed and included in the preview assembly. The longest version of this sequence, seen in the extended TV broadcasts and in the Director's Cut, spotlights Carol's orders to the team to get their gear together for departure. The version used in the theatrical version omits Carol's orders to the team. The third version is more abrupt, as actress Bibi Besch attempts to pace her lines.

Carol: "We must have order in here!"
David: "Scientists have always been pawns of the military."
Carol: "Starfleet has kept the peace for... for a hundred years. I cannot and will not subscribe to your interpretation of this event."

- Another alternate take of the scene with McCoy and Spock in Kirk's quarters is also found in the preview assembly. It is an alternate version of McCoy's questioning Spock's thinking on the Genesis Project.

McCoy: "Are you by any chance... in favor of these experiments?"

DeForest Kelley's delivery of the line is more vocal in this version, whereas in the extended TV broadcasts and the Director's Cut, Kelley's delivery is quieter and more subtle.

- One of the most notable alternate takes from "Star Trek II" was the alternate version of the dialogue between Kirk and Saavik in the turbolift. This version appears only in the extended TV broadcasts and was never included in either the theatrical version or the Director's Cut DVD.

In the original version, Saavik stops the turbolift, and she and Kirk have their discussion. In this alternate take, the emphasis is on exchanging close-ups between Kirk and Saavik, while the turbolift continues on its way. As in the theatrical version, Kirk punches in his destination, but the turbolift has been in continuous movement throughout the sequence.

- A brief scene extension spotlighting Ricardo Montalban (Khan) is found in the preview assembly. Once the Enterprise returns fire on the Reliant, Khan moves across the bridge and orders, "After him! After him!" (He then moves toward Joachim and orders, "Fire!") This brief scene extension was trimmed from all cuts of the film.

- Another brief scene extension occurs during the Reliant's attack on the Enterprise. During the sequence in the engine room, Scotty (James Doohan) can be seen standing at his post and ordering everyone to remain at their posts, even during the attack. This brief extension was also trimmed from all cuts of the film.

Again we remind you that this lost scenes footage from STAR TREK II THE WRATH OF KAHN never aired on TV, and it is not available on VHS and DVD, and it was not include in Paramount's 'Director's Edition' DVD, but you can download those rare scenes here in the ASF format.

Thanks to Bill Williams and The Captain Kirk Page for their help in the making of this article.



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By: Slaphappy (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:39:54 on Jun 07, 2004

I thought there was supposed to be a deleted scene with Sulu and the Excelscior, or at least mentioning that he was due to take captaincy of that ship?



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    By: katefan (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:21:54 on Jun 08, 2004

    My understanding is there was supposed to be a few lines on the shuttle on the way to Enterprise mentioning Sulu getting his own command, but it was 1) scrapped due to time constraints and the lines weren't even mentioned and 2) Shatner couldn't seem to get the scene right. If "2" is true then you can attribute it to Bill's ego at the time.

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      By: Greenspan (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:12:27 on Jun 10, 2004

      According to George Takei, Shatner deliberately botched his lines forcing it to be cut. It was obvious that there was more in that scene. Takei didn't even finish his line. But if Shatner was really giving a hard time, why didn't they just rewrite the scene so that Shatner had no further lines and Sulu just mentions he's getting his own command? Surely they could've shot it so that Shatner wasn't even on camera. Boy, what an ego.

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      By: BWilliams (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 12:01:46 on Jun 08, 2004

      If you watch the scene very carefully, you can make out Sulu beginning to say something else after he comments, "I'm delighted at any chance to go aboard the Enterprise." The scene then cuts to an exterior of the shuttlepod going alongside Enterprise (borrowed from TMP).

      The scene was definitely cut, and it was in those lost moments that Sulu acknowledged his new captaincy and taking command of the Excelsior.

      My conclusion: Shatner's ego.


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      By: Cymro (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:42:50 on Jun 08, 2004

      Plus, the Excelsior was featured as a bad guy in ST:III so it worked out for the best, with the fully operational Excelsior being under Sulu's command s he could come to help out in st6

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By: spacebeluga (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:04:47 on Jun 07, 2004

Sure, any deleted scenes from any movie are fun to watch, especially if they contain some unseen information or a different storyline. But I see no reason to change the film by adding these scenes. I prefer to think of Saavik as a full blooded Vulcan, and I will continue to do so.


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By: Nitride (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:29:04 on Jun 07, 2004 | Edit History (2)

I have been silently reading the responses to the posts on this web site for a very long time and it astounds me how clueless some of the commenters are regarding the mechanics of writing for TV/movies.

When you write a screenplay or teleplay a lot of work goes into possible future story lines, establishing characters and their backstory - or not so that future writers have creative freedom to write the character as they see fit.

Even when you film a bunch of scenes that by all accounts add to the movie you end up cutting them because of how they affect the pace or flow of the story during the editing process.

Back to Enterprise...

It is so amusing seeing you fan-boys rip apart Enterprise for its inclusion of inter-character relationships that are not of a professional nature, such as Trip and T'Pol getting hot and heavy. You obviously have never interacted with too many women before.

My wife watches Enterprise with me not because of the CG effects or makeup, but because of Trip and T'Pol's relationship, and Archer's many flaws, flaws that make his character interesting to watch. She doesn't know and doesn't care about TOS continuity at all, this is all brand new to her (except for watching the last few seasons of Voyager).

Maybe you whiners should get out of the house more or put down your Buffyverse comics and interact with the opposite sex more often, you might understand why Enterprise is evolving.

Lest you think I am a clueless moonbat, I agree that B & B are damaging the franchise and should be kicked to the curb. Recycling ancient storylines from TOS (I was watching it in reruns before some of you were born) is VERY annoying, and the endless "hostage of the week" episodes wore down even my non-SciFi fan Wife.

We aren't stupid, ratings suck because the show meanders down the same story line road over and over again while Team B & B scratch their head in wonder as to why no one is watching.

If they don't get a clue, I will stop watching completely. This is the last chance UPN/Paramount/B & B has to redeem themselves from ST: Insurrection and the steady decline of Enterprise.


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    By: Cymro (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:37:29 on Jun 08, 2004

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    I have been silently reading the responses to the posts on this web site for a very long time

    So by the time you got around to posting there were no decent nicknames left, right?

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    s so amusing seeing you fan-boys rip apart Enterprise for its inclusion of inter-character relationships that are not of a professional nature, such as Trip and T'Pol getting hot and heavy. You obviously have never interacted with too many women before.

    Yes, of course, you're the only person in the world who watches Star Trek and can get a woman.

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    My wife watches Enterprise with me not because of the CG effects or makeup, but because of Trip and T'Pol's relationship, and Archer's many flaws, flaws that make his character interesting to watch. She doesn't know and doesn't care about TOS continuity at all, this is all brand new to her (except for watching the last few seasons of Voyager).

    Well, you wife is obviously more suited to watching cheap, poorly written soap operas, because that's what the Trip/T'Pol scenes resemble. Star Trek has always had difficulty portraying romance, and this is the worst attempt yet. As for Archer, he has been more interesting, but it's not due to any character flaws, it's because we now have seen that past his friendly exterior and have been introduced to a more "bad-ass" side of him, which has been a direct consequence of the threat to Earth and the strain his new mission had put on him. By the way, by stating that Enterprise and ST in general are new to your wife, you've essentially destroyed her credibility as a critic, because Enterprise is the best Trek she's ever seen by default.

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    Maybe you whiners should get out of the house more or put down your Buffyverse comics and interact with the opposite sex more often, you might understand why Enterprise is evolving.

    Yes, of course, only abourt 4 million people in the US interact with women, and more and more drop off every week, sort of like Enterprise's viewership...

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    Lest you think I am a clueless moonbat,.

    Too Late

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    Recycling ancient storylines from TOS (I was watching it in reruns before some of you were born) is VERY annoying, and the endless "hostage of the week" episodes wore down even my non-SciFi fan Wife.

    Maybe she'd like it better if she interacted with more women.

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    Don't kid yourself, mate.

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    ratings suck because the show meanders down the same story line road over and over again while Team B & B scratch their head in wonder as to why no one is watching.

    Yet there is no point complaining about it because we can't complain AND get a woman the same time, right?

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    If they don't get a clue, I will stop watching completely. This is the last chance UPN/Paramount/B & B has to redeem themselves from ST: Insurrection and the steady decline of Enterprise.

    If this was consistent with the first half of your post, maybe we could take you seriously.

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      By: Scorned (Odo's file, contact) @ 19:51:22 on Jun 08, 2004

      Quote:"I have been silently reading the responses to the posts on this web site for a very long time and it astounds me how clueless some of the commenters are regarding the mechanics of writing for TV/movies."

      And you do? I liked it better when you were "silently reading".


      Quote:"When you write a screenplay or teleplay a lot of work goes into possible future story lines, establishing characters and their backstory - or not so that future writers have creative freedom to write the character as they see fit.

      No it does not. Not every single episode is going to be written thinking they are going to base the entire series or future episodes/storylines based on "one" episode.


      Quote:"Even when you film a bunch of scenes that by all accounts add to the movie you end up cutting them because of how they affect the pace or flow of the story during the editing process.

      Really now? Suddenly you are George Lucas or Steven Speilberg? With the advent of "DVD" movies have been restored/ re-editted and in some cases "redone". There are different endings and different cuts to many movies that are now available on DVD. Again we are talking about Star Trek II. But you seem to be all over the place. Filming scenes that you don't use is a complete WASTE of time and money. NO studio is going to shoot scenes that they have no intention of using. If scenes are shot that are part of the "overal story" that are not used. Usually take something AWAY from the film. With DVD's we can have the "complete" story. WHY else do you think people are buying DVDs? It is all the extras!


      Quote:"Back to Enterprise..".

      What does "Enterprise" have to do with this? We are talking about unused footage about Star Trek II. Try to stay on topic!


      Quote:"It is so amusing seeing you fan-boys rip apart Enterprise for its inclusion of inter-character relationships that are not of a professional nature, such as Trip and T'Pol getting hot and heavy. You obviously have never interacted with too many women before.

      You are some kind of "play boy"? HOW do we know that you didn't marry the first "piece of ass that came your way"? What does this have to do with the footage from Star Trek II? ONCE again we hear some dumb comment about "not getting laid". This type of foolish response only shows you have no solid facts or opinions. I think your an idiot!


      Quote:"My wife watches Enterprise with me not because of the CG effects or makeup, but because of Trip and T'Pol's relationship,

      Then you wife is not a fan of Star Trek. She is obvioulsy one of the million of "dead headed morons" who likes "soap operas". In this case a pretty bad one.


      Quote:"and Archer's many flaws, flaws that make his character interesting to watch.

      Is this the reason why she is attracted to you?


      Quote:"She doesn't know and doesn't care about TOS continuity at all, this is all brand new to her (except for watching the last few seasons of Voyager).

      Then that shows she is not a fan of Star Trek and that he opinion means NOTHING! By the way, you sound pretty "pussy whipped". Did you ask your wife for permission to use the computer? Did she proof read all your responses?


      Quote:"Maybe you whiners should get out of the house more or put down your Buffyverse comics and interact with the opposite sex more often, you might understand why Enterprise is evolving.

      Maybe you and your idiot wife should stop watching anything to do with Star Trek seeing how you sound like the kind of people who are "easily amused" with low entertainment standards. And again, the "get a laid" comment. I am willing to bet your wife calls all the shots when it comes to sex with you. I am also willing to bet she wears the "strap on" in the family.


      Quote:"Lest you think I am a clueless moonbat,

      No I would say "a moron".


      Quote:"I agree that B & B are damaging the franchise and should be kicked to the curb.

      WHY? Your wife would have no more "bad soap opera" to watch? You might have to "talk to her" or do something on Wednesday nights. Besides why do you care? You are clearly not a real fan of Trek and don't care about continuity or anything. You are a perfect "Berman demographic". You have yet to demonstrate ANY reason why you think B&B are damaging Trek.


      Quote:" Recycling ancient storylines from TOS (I was watching it in reruns before some of you were born)

      Really me too! However I usually have a point to make about Star Trek and not use some stupid "get a girlfriend" comment when you are just "rambling on with pure nonsense".


      Quote:" is VERY annoying, and the endless "hostage of the week" episodes wore down even my non-SciFi fan Wife.

      Maybe your wife needs to get out there and get a girlfriend.



      Quote:"We aren't stupid,

      I would say that you are. Trying proving me wrong on this one.


      Quote:" ratings suck because the show meanders down the same story line road over and over again while Team B & B scratch their head in wonder as to why no one is watching.

      Ratings suck because B&B are happy putting out crap that your dumb wife likes to watch. "Ohhh will T'pol finally profess her love for Trip"... Just horrible!


      Quote:"If they don't get a clue, I will stop watching completely. This is the last chance UPN/Paramount/B & B has to redeem themselves from ST: Insurrection and the steady decline of Enterprise.

      I wish you would stop now and shut the hell up.


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        By: Cymro (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:09:38 on Jun 09, 2004

        It's been done ;)

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        By: spacebeluga (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:56:38 on Jun 08, 2004

        Wow...you may have beaten Cymro's response...that was incredible Scorned.
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        You are some kind of "play boy"? HOW do we know that you didn't marry the first "piece of ass that came your way"?
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        Quote:"and Archer's many flaws, flaws that make his character interesting to watch.

        Is this the reason why she is attracted to you?
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        Maybe you and your idiot wife should stop watching anything to do with Star Trek seeing how you sound like the kind of people who are "easily amused" with low entertainment standards. And again, the "get a laid" comment. I am willing to bet your wife calls all the shots when it comes to sex with you. I am also willing to bet she wears the "strap on" in the family.
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        Wow, simply amazing. ROFLMFAO!!!

        You two should have a contest.


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          By: Cymro (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:13:52 on Jun 09, 2004

          You two should have a contest.

          Scorned would probably win that one, he's far more ruthless than I am, his post pretty much repeated everything I said...only harsher! Of course, Scorned also decided to bring in the guy's wife more, which I thought would be going a bit too far...

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          By: Scorned (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:35:26 on Jun 08, 2004

          This thread is about STII. Instead of talking about the movie he is talking about ENT, his wife and how Star Trek fans don't get laid. It just goes to show you what kind of guy he really is....the catching in the relationship.

          I am going to bet he will not respond to anything I or Cymro's commented on.


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            By: spacebeluga (Odo's file, contact) @ 23:01:18 on Jun 08, 2004

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            This thread is about STII. Instead of talking about the movie he is talking about ENT, his wife and how Star Trek fans don't get laid. It just goes to show you what kind of guy he really is....the catching in the relationship.

            Delusional...

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            I am going to bet he will not respond to anything I or Cymro's commented on.

            I would be very suprised if he did. If he does, then I suppose it will represent a new breed of Enterprise-fan. LOL

            I don't see that coming any time soon however.


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      By: spacebeluga (Odo's file, contact) @ 08:24:04 on Jun 08, 2004

      Thank you Cymro. That reply was genius. :-)


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        By: Cymro (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:56:32 on Jun 08, 2004

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        Thank you Cymro. That reply was genius. :-)

        Thank You, but we both know, they all are :)

        "Hey, that guy's saying what we're all thinkin'!"


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By: cooper2000 (Odo's file, contact) @ 18:34:40 on Jun 07, 2004

was it not put on the DVD??
Paramount couldnt take the time to find this footage??? Do they really care? I am guessing not.


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By: Rat Boy (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:38:56 on Jun 07, 2004

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and the events of Khan's trial in 'Space Seed' were re-inserted by director Nicholas Meyer himself,

Okay, it's been a while since I've seen the DVD SE, but where was this?


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By: Dingo's Kidneys (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:21:43 on Jun 07, 2004

The novelisation supported a lot if this cut material. It established Saavik as half-Romulan, and that the dead crewman was Scotty;s nephew. If I remember right after 20 years, it even featured a sexual relationship between Saavik and David Marcus (or was that the novel of STIII?)

The fans would love to see these deleted scenes, TPTB should make them available.

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    By: Cap'n Calhoun (Odo's file, contact) @ 17:37:46 on Jun 07, 2004

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    If I remember right after 20 years, it even featured a sexual relationship between Saavik and David Marcus (or was that the novel of STIII?)

    Vonda N. McIntyre's novelization of Star Trek III contained these scenes, if memory serves. I can't seem to locate my copy offhand, but I believe they were in the first few chapters, roughly intersecting with the wake for Spock.

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By: JediFonger (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:01:49 on Jun 07, 2004

good thing it was cut. isn't important enough to be on DVD.

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By: falcongtho3 (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:58:15 on Jun 07, 2004

I've mentioned this footage here for sometime now, most recently when the film was shown on AMC with the addition of the scene with Kirk and Scotty's nephew in engineering. I got my copy at a convention that was part of a blooper tape. The collection of unshown scenes were a preview trailer that starts with Shatners voiec stating "Here's a preview of a new movie that we're very proud of" and then moves onto very rough cut of scenes.


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By: Scorned (Odo's file, contact) @ 06:37:30 on Jun 07, 2004

WHY didn't they put that footage on the DVD???


Are they going to release yet another "verison" of the movie?



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    By: Ogden (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:58:30 on Jun 07, 2004

    The word Spock says in talking about Saavik isn't "odd mixture". It's "admixture".


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      By: Slaphappy (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:33:10 on Jun 07, 2004

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      The word Spock says in talking about Saavik isn't "odd mixture". It's "admixture".

      What the hell is 'admixture'?

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        By: Brian Langlois (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:56:20 on Jun 08, 2004

        Main Entry: ad·mix·ture
        Pronunciation: ad-'miks-ch&r
        Function: noun
        Etymology: Latin admixtus, past participle of admiscEre to mix with, from ad- + miscEre to mix -- more at MIX
        1 a : the action of mixing b : the fact of being mixed
        2 a : something added by mixing b : a product of mixing : MIXTURE

        Thank you Merriam-Webster.


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wasn't the other ship the Reliant . NT | Report this post to moderator
By: The Emissary (Odo's file, contact) @ 06:10:30 on Jun 07, 2004

nt


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  • RE: wasn't the other ship the Reliant . NT | Report this post to moderator
    By: Hologrid (Odo's file, contact) @ 10:14:20 on Jun 07, 2004

    Once the Enterprise returns fire on the Defiant, Khan moves across the bridge and orders, "After him! After him!"

    Now the Enterprise and Defiant would have been a short battle..

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